> So... They're going to release it, and not support it. Joy...
Gee, next thing you know, IBM is going to stop supporting Linux, Emacs, gcc, flex, bison, and gmake, too!
Man, you're thick. Open Source means that they're releasing the source code in some free manner. It does not mean that they're opening their wallet.
If the authors of free software had to support it out of their own pockets, how much free software do you think there would be? How many people would actually bother to write any?
Imagine the world without it..
"Hello, GNU Software. This is Richard M. Stallman speaking."
"Yes, sir. I know you're having trouble with Emacs, but ever since Sun and Amdahl pulled their
code out, it hasn't been very stable under that platform. I think it's a bug with your vendor's crappy C compiler or their lexer, but since there is no other alternative cc or lex, I can't really narrow it down very well. I'm also really too busy manning the phones to code much these days...
"No, sir, there aren't any other support people here -- nobody else wants to work for free. I'm afraid you'll have to deal with me."
"Whoah! I'm sorry sir -- I have to go! Microsoft SourceSafe just ate my Emacs v5 source code -- boy I wish there was some sort of a revision control, or concurrent versioning system available for UNIX!"
[click]
>IBM - "We're releasing this, isn't this great?!"
>
>YOU- "wow, this is awesome, so how does bla bla bla..."
>
>IBM - "RTFM!"
It must suck to be illiterate. You have my condolences.
Personally, I'd much rather have a piece of code that I had to RTFS or RTFM to use rather than writing it from scratch myself. But then again, you're probably one of those "Gimme, Gimme!" Americans.
Actually, French Canadians really should know. L'Office de la Langue Française (coloquially known in English Canada as "The Language Police") officially coined the word "couriel" three years ago. It's a conjunction of "courrier électronique".
No, you don't petition Quicken for a Linux version.
You petition the banks to use a non-proprietary, publicly documented data format. Anything will do -- CSV (oooh), XML, some new vCard/vCalendar-type entity, whatever.
You then download this data, parse it, and spin it into whatever you want under whatever platform you care to use. Heck, you could even release your parser (and app?) open-source.
Personally, I'd rather download CSV files and dump them into an Oracle database than browse my accounts on the web. It would take me about 20 minutes to come up with an appropriate parser, and Oracle handles rows and columns as good as any other piece of accounting-software-bullshit-crap.
Plus, it's easy to extract arbitrary data like that -- say, you want your business expenses for the month: "select expense from balancesheet where transactiontype='visa' and (details like '%hooker%' or details like '%hotel%') and date > 20001001 and amount > 0".
..nearly all car manufacturers (Ford, Honda, etc) use CPUs related to the 68HC711 as part of the onboard magic-make-it-go system. Car manufacturers already have lots of info on us, too.. (how often we buy, what we buy, who we are, how much we make, what our credit is like...)
..many consumer appliances use Motorla CPUs, including television remotes, toasters, microwaves, refrigerators, and iMacs. Some computers use them, too (like NeXT cubes and Amigas).
Heck, even radar detectors use Motorola CPUs. What's next? Buy our cell phone, or we'll tell the cops you own a Valentine-1???
I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people in North America own something that is made with Motorola parts, whether they know it or not. (Who made the transistors in your transistor radio? How about the 74LS47s in your clock?)
I hobbled through the shared libraries and whatnot one day.
Know what I found?
Most of Windows! YEP! References to CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, instructions for how to configure Plug and Play devices, PCMCIA devices, a SYSTEM.INI, etc, ad nauseum.
No wonder a Windows port isn't far behind -- the Solaris/HP ie/oe "port" isn't much of a port. It looks like they just sort of sandwiched enough shit into Solaris to give enough of a Windows-like environment to make their pathetic applications execute.
Further evidence?
They don't use X! Well, they use it, but they use the lowest level native (widgetless) output. No font server, no nothin'. It CRAWLS over a 1 megabit connection, and is barely useable of a 10 megabit connection. They render the freakin' fonts one bit at a time!
HELLLOOOOOOO??!!! Microsoft! It's an operating system + Xserver, not HARDWARE! CHRIST! Do you have any unix-literate software engineers? As near as I can tell you've hired some "consultants" and a bunch of VB-mouse-click-wizard-totin' hacks!
...the single, most effective "tool" to debug applications quickly. Combined with RCS, you can fix a once-in-a-lifetime bug by checking a core dump from something that blew on a production version of an app that you built two years ago.
I refuse to develop under a system where I can't examine the core space of a crashed program. It's stupid.
Why the shell script? Take a look at/opt/SUNWpnm on your SC2.0+ boxes. It's not keyed to the cluster liscence IIRC.
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> we also implement a full quorum based scheme monitoring over the shared SCSI bus
Finally, a Linux vendor with a serious-sounding cluster product. I commend you.
How is your network-level failover? Atomic? Arbitrary hooks for vendor-supplied HA services? Support for a journaling filesystem? Howabout good integration with a 0+1 RAID solution?
I've been waiting to convert to linux for a while, and can't do it without all of those features.
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Well, they buy a third party product, unless of course they buy Sun's product, in which case they are not buying a third party product.
So, in fairness, you should be saying "they may buy a third party product". Speak not from whence you know not.
(Here's a hint: Go look for Sun HA Enterprise Cluster on sun's Web site)
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> Oh, I see. When one port (or its path) fails, you want to switch the IP > to a different port? I don't think "the driver" needs to do that, just change > the IP assignments with ifconfig. Your proposed solution is seriously flawed. Namely, in the time between failure and failover, you are losing packets, and the failover is not atomic. This means that there will be a small period of time where *no* interface will have the IP number in question, you may cause sockets to drop during f/o, etc. Solaris and IBM both have HA cluster solutions which address these issues -- your ifconfig-based one does not. You need something integrated into the network drivers at the DLPI level, not some shell-script hack, to have an HA solution. Otherwise, you only have a "Pretty Available" solution. If that.
> Bandwidth * Latency = Performance.. > you cannot have high bandwidth and HIGH latency > and get good performance - we've used up all > our tricks in that area.
According to your formula, if you keep bandwidth constant and increase latency, then your performance increases.
How do you think Christy McCullough accessed the shipboard computer in order to make it GPF and blow up the Challenger? You practically have to use a mouse with that poor excuse for an OS.
I belong to a pyramid-scheme mailing group (instead of a proper listserv) that distributes 1-800 (toll-free) numbers gleaned from spam email.
We call those 1-800 numbers from pay phones and walk away; hopefully, we stay on hold for a long time. That's why is really good to call after business hours.
Whee!
We also use BCCs to distribute the mail, and anybody can inject at their upstream or downstream points, but nobody knows more people on their list than they send to, and the one person who sends to them. (Kind of like the Maquis;-)
FVWM 1.24 with a dark grey background works well for me. I've been using it for years, and have the hot keys for it embedded in my reflexes.
Heh -- you should see me on a Windoze box -- Oh, I need to go to desktop 4, I'll just hit ALT-F4. Whoops!;-)
FVWM 1.24 is really small, really fast, (even compared to FVWM 2.x) and I can use it on all of the platforms I use regularly -- Linux, Solaris/sparc, Solaris/x86, and BSDI.
Slashdot Mirror
I dare you to live in a 3rd world country and say that.
Man, some Americans are stupid.
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Sure, choke the root nameservers with 100% of the address space -- see if we care.
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> So... They're going to release it, and not support it. Joy...
Gee, next thing you know, IBM is going to stop supporting Linux, Emacs, gcc, flex, bison, and gmake, too!
Man, you're thick. Open Source means that they're releasing the source code in some free manner. It does not mean that they're opening their wallet.
If the authors of free software had to support it out of their own pockets, how much free software do you think there would be? How many people would actually bother to write any?
Imagine the world without it..
"Hello, GNU Software. This is Richard M. Stallman speaking."
"Yes, sir. I know you're having trouble with Emacs, but ever since Sun and Amdahl pulled their
code out, it hasn't been very stable under that platform. I think it's a bug with your vendor's crappy C compiler or their lexer, but since there is no other alternative cc or lex, I can't really narrow it down very well. I'm also really too busy manning the phones to code much these days...
"No, sir, there aren't any other support people here -- nobody else wants to work for free. I'm afraid you'll have to deal with me."
"Whoah! I'm sorry sir -- I have to go! Microsoft SourceSafe just ate my Emacs v5 source code -- boy I wish there was some sort of a revision control, or concurrent versioning system available for UNIX!"
[click]
>IBM - "We're releasing this, isn't this great?!"
>
>YOU- "wow, this is awesome, so how does bla bla bla..."
>
>IBM - "RTFM!"
It must suck to be illiterate. You have my condolences.
Personally, I'd much rather have a piece of code that I had to RTFS or RTFM to use rather than writing it from scratch myself. But then again, you're probably one of those "Gimme, Gimme!" Americans.
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Actually, French Canadians really should know. L'Office de la Langue Française (coloquially known in English Canada as "The Language Police") officially coined the word "couriel" three years ago. It's a conjunction of "courrier électronique".
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No, you don't petition Quicken for a Linux version.
You petition the banks to use a non-proprietary, publicly documented data format. Anything will do -- CSV (oooh), XML, some new vCard/vCalendar-type entity, whatever.
You then download this data, parse it, and spin it into whatever you want under whatever platform you care to use. Heck, you could even release your parser (and app?) open-source.
Personally, I'd rather download CSV files and dump them into an Oracle database than browse my accounts on the web. It would take me about 20 minutes to come up with an appropriate parser, and Oracle handles rows and columns as good as any other piece of accounting-software-bullshit-crap.
Plus, it's easy to extract arbitrary data like that -- say, you want your business expenses for the month: "select expense from balancesheet where transactiontype='visa' and (details like '%hooker%' or details like '%hotel%') and date > 20001001 and amount > 0".
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..nearly all car manufacturers (Ford, Honda, etc) use CPUs related to the 68HC711 as part of the onboard magic-make-it-go system. Car manufacturers already have lots of info on us, too.. (how often we buy, what we buy, who we are, how much we make, what our credit is like...)
..many consumer appliances use Motorla CPUs, including television remotes, toasters, microwaves, refrigerators, and iMacs. Some computers use them, too (like NeXT cubes and Amigas).
Heck, even radar detectors use Motorola CPUs. What's next? Buy our cell phone, or we'll tell the cops you own a Valentine-1???
I'd be willing to bet that 99% of people in North America own something that is made with Motorola parts, whether they know it or not. (Who made the transistors in your transistor radio? How about the 74LS47s in your clock?)
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FYI, a year later it still sucks.
I hobbled through the shared libraries and whatnot one day.
Know what I found?
Most of Windows! YEP! References to CONFIG.SYS, AUTOEXEC.BAT, instructions for how to configure Plug and Play devices, PCMCIA devices, a SYSTEM.INI, etc, ad nauseum.
No wonder a Windows port isn't far behind -- the Solaris/HP ie/oe "port" isn't much of a port. It looks like they just sort of sandwiched enough shit into Solaris to give enough of a Windows-like environment to make their pathetic applications execute.
Further evidence?
They don't use X! Well, they use it, but they use the lowest level native (widgetless) output. No font server, no nothin'. It CRAWLS over a 1 megabit connection, and is barely useable of a 10 megabit connection. They render the freakin' fonts one bit at a time!
HELLLOOOOOOO??!!! Microsoft! It's an operating system + Xserver, not HARDWARE! CHRIST! Do you have any unix-literate software engineers? As near as I can tell you've hired some "consultants" and a bunch of VB-mouse-click-wizard-totin' hacks!
--
...the single, most effective "tool" to debug applications quickly. Combined with RCS, you can fix a once-in-a-lifetime bug by checking a core dump from something that blew on a production version of an app that you built two years ago.
I refuse to develop under a system where I can't examine the core space of a crashed program. It's stupid.
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Why the shell script? Take a look at /opt/SUNWpnm on your SC2.0+ boxes. It's not keyed to the cluster liscence IIRC.
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> we also implement a full quorum based scheme monitoring over the shared SCSI bus
Finally, a Linux vendor with a serious-sounding cluster product. I commend you.
How is your network-level failover? Atomic? Arbitrary hooks for vendor-supplied HA services? Support for a journaling filesystem? Howabout good integration with a 0+1 RAID solution?
I've been waiting to convert to linux for a while, and can't do it without all of those features.
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Well, they buy a third party product, unless of course they buy Sun's product, in which case they are not buying a third party product.
So, in fairness, you should be saying "they may buy a third party product". Speak not from whence you know not.
(Here's a hint: Go look for Sun HA Enterprise Cluster on sun's Web site)
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> Oh, I see. When one port (or its path) fails, you want to switch the IP > to a different port? I don't think "the driver" needs to do that, just change > the IP assignments with ifconfig. Your proposed solution is seriously flawed. Namely, in the time between failure and failover, you are losing packets, and the failover is not atomic. This means that there will be a small period of time where *no* interface will have the IP number in question, you may cause sockets to drop during f/o, etc. Solaris and IBM both have HA cluster solutions which address these issues -- your ifconfig-based one does not. You need something integrated into the network drivers at the DLPI level, not some shell-script hack, to have an HA solution. Otherwise, you only have a "Pretty Available" solution. If that.
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They should ban books, too! According to the DCMA, they are also illegal.
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> Bandwidth * Latency = Performance..
> you cannot have high bandwidth and HIGH latency
> and get good performance - we've used up all
> our tricks in that area.
According to your formula, if you keep bandwidth constant and increase latency, then your performance increases.
Clearly, this is wrong.
How about:
Performance = Bandwith / Latency
Have a nice day.
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In the mid 1980s, NASA was selling commercial shuttle time to Hollywood studios.
I think some stupid Space Camp movie was made by Disney with the Columbia.
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Of course they did.
How do you think Christy McCullough accessed the shipboard computer in order to make it GPF and blow up the Challenger? You practically have to use a mouse with that poor excuse for an OS.
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Try typing "ver" in OS/2 1.2... You'll see something like:
C:\] ver
Microsoft OS/2 1.2
C:\]
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...and besides which, I'd like to see some poor bastard trying to keep up with me (100wpm) on a Chinese keyboard...
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Is that like browsing /. at +2?
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This is already being done (sort of).
;-)
I belong to a pyramid-scheme mailing group (instead of a proper listserv) that distributes 1-800 (toll-free) numbers gleaned from spam email.
We call those 1-800 numbers from pay phones and walk away; hopefully, we stay on hold for a long time. That's why is really good to call after business hours.
Whee!
We also use BCCs to distribute the mail, and anybody can inject at their upstream or downstream points, but nobody knows more people on their list than they send to, and the one person who sends to them. (Kind of like the Maquis
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FVWM 1.24 with a dark grey background works well for me. I've been using it for years, and have the hot keys for it embedded in my reflexes.
;-)
Heh -- you should see me on a Windoze box -- Oh, I need to go to desktop 4, I'll just hit ALT-F4. Whoops!
FVWM 1.24 is really small, really fast, (even compared to FVWM 2.x) and I can use it on all of the platforms I use regularly -- Linux, Solaris/sparc, Solaris/x86, and BSDI.
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Hey! Moderate this up!
Score 4: Insightful
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I agree. An enviroment where resposible parnets had their children goin to phsychiatrists all the tim would be rather broing.
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As soon as the servers come back online, I'm gonna be a channel op on #sex. Ha!
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Hey, you're right!
from man crypt:
"crypt implements a one-rotor machine designed along the lines of the German Enigma, but with a 256-element rotor."
Cool!
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