You, I went to kindergarten in a FREAKIN FOREIGN COUNTRY, and had to transfer buses before I got home. I never once got on the wrong bus, because my parents told me if I did that I'd probably never see them again.
I knew that I had to get on the #5, transfer to the #4, and get off when I got to my stop. If I could handle this at 5 years of age in the 1970s, I'm sure kids nowadays can too. After all, most modern five year olds I know can already read the bloody satellite guide, and find Dora's web site on the internet.
Solaris has great backwards compatibility. Better than Windows, even, and not by a small margin, either. I am running a copy of xemacs today I compiled in 1997 or 1998... 5 major OS revisions back. You can even run third-part device drivers meant for 2.4 on 10 with a reasonable expectation that they will work, and work well. You can even run applications built for SunOS 4 and expect many to work. And SunOS 4 -> Solaris 2 was a major leap. About the same sized leap as MacOS 9 -> X.... in Sun's case they changed from BSD to SVR4 underpinnings.
We all know that Solaris doesn't own the desktop. Hell, I'm a Solaris fan as AFAIC they don't even HAVE a desktop.
BTW, Solaris accomplishes this mostly with "shims", in the form of a well-thought-out dynamic linker with built-in versioning.
They did not say that IE competed with Google; they said that Microsoft competed with Google.
Quick, which company am I describing?
- Has an IM network
- Has a large webmail application
- Has a search engine
- Has a browser
- Has an office suite
- Has a mobile platform
- Has billions of dollars
- Wants to be on every desktop
- Is on most of them
> I think Schwartz was not a good choice to lead Sun after McNealy left. > There is one good thing that came out of Sun in the last couple years, though: open-sourcing of Solaris.
I think Schwartz is a closet hippie (witness the pony-tail). He snuck into Sun pretending to be an MBA-bearing preppie, and when he got there, he looked around and said, "SHIT! We'd better open source everything we can before somebody buys us and locks all this great software up forever!"
You know, I buy cables in the 3'-25' range on a regular basis, paying something like $3-$15 each. I order $200-$300 worth at a time, they take 3-5 days to come in, and are available in about 6 different colours. (Let's see, I've got white, grey, red, green, purple, red, blue and yellow right here). Ordering them is as simple as filling out a spreadsheet and emailing it to the guy selling them to me, he calls me for a credit card and we're done.
I realize I could probably save a couple of bucks if I just made 'em up and didn't test them, but I still wouldn't get the nice anti-snag boots and moulded strain relief.
If your organization isn't this easy to deal with, perhaps more effort should be spent streamlining the acquisions process and less time should be spent making IT workers imitate assembly-line robots.
Note also that on the rare cases where pre-fabricated cables shouldn't be used (i.e. building wiring), I will always terminate on patch panels or jacks. None of this idiotic male-end-hanging-out-of-a-hole-in-the-wall shit. BIX is pretty easy to punch to 100MHz, these new CAT6 keystone jacks are annoying but also usable if you take your time.
I just hope they don't go pulling the plug on Project Kenai.
Kenai is Sun's version of SourceForge/GitHub/Google Code. I'm hosting a project there and it works well enough, a few minor tweaks and it will be fantastic. I chose it because they had bugzilla, mercurial, forums with feeds and a rudimentary wiki with syntax I didn't hate. And a low-barrier to entry (I am more than capable of setting all that stuff up myself, but I'd rather spend the time hacking code).
Funny, though, I only just realized why I must have received that "please evangelize Kenai!" message in my inbox this morning...
Um, gf3 was released _years_ ago, and nobody liked it because it was buggy as hell. Here is sample from one of the support forums, you'll see what I mean:
Dear Technical Support:
I'm currently running the latest version of GirlFriend and I've been having some problems lately. I've been running the same version of DrinkingBuddies 1.0 forever as my primary application, and all the GirlFriend releases I've tried have always conflicted with it. I hear that DrinkingBuddies won't crash if GirlFriend is run in background mode and the sound is turned off. But I'm embarrassed to say I can't find the switch to turn the sound off. I just run them separately, and it works okay.
Girlfriend also seems to have a problem co-existing with my Golf program, often trying to abort Golf with some sort of timing incompatibility. I probably should have stayed with GirlFriend 1.0, but I thought I might see better performance from GirlFriend 2.0. After months of conflicts and other problems, I consulted a friend who has had experience with GirlFriend 2.0. He said I probably didn't have enough cache to run GirlFriend 2.0, and eventually it would require a Token Ring to run properly. He was right -- as soon as I purged my cache, it uninstalled itself.
Shortly after that, I installed GirlFriend 3.0 beta. All the bugs were supposed to be gone, but the first time I used it, it gave me a virus anyway. I had to clean out my whole system and shut down for a while.
I very cautiously upgraded to GirlFriend 4.0. This time I used a SCSI probe first and also installed a virus protection program. It worked okay for a while until I discovered that GirlFriend 1.0 was still in my system. I tried running GirlFriend 1.0 again with GirlFriend 4.0 still installed, but GirlFriend 4.0 has a feature I didn't know about that automatically senses the presence of any other version of GirlFriend and communicates with it in some way, which results in the immediate removal of both versions.
The version I have now works pretty well, but there are still some problems. Like all versions of GirlFriend, it is written in some obscure language I can't understand, much less reprogram. Frankly I think there is too much attention paid to the look and feel rather than the desired functionality. Also, to get the best connections with your hardware, you usually have to use gold-plated contacts.
And I've never liked how GirlFriend is totally "object-oriented." A year ago, a friend of mine upgraded his version of GirlFriend to GirlFriendPlus 1.0, which is a Terminate and Stay Resident version of GirlFriend. He discovered that GirlFriendPlus 1.0 expires within a year if you don't upgrade to Fiancee 1.0. So he did, but soon after that, he had to upgrade to Wife 1.0, which he describes as a huge resource hog. It has taken up all his space, so he can't load anything else. One of the primary reasons he decided to go withWife 1.0 was because it came bundled with FreeSexPlus. Well, it turns out the resource allocation module of Wife 1.0 sometimes prohibits access to FreeSexPlus, particularly the new Plug-Ins he wanted to try. On top of that, Wife 1.0 must be running on a well warmed-up system before he can do anything. Although he did not ask for it, Wife 1.0 came with MotherInLaw which has an automatic pop-up feature he can't turn off.
I told him to try installing Mistress 1.0, but he said he heard if you try to run it without first uninstalling Wife 1.0, Wife 1.0 will delete MSMoney files before doing the uninstall itself. Then Mistress 1.0 won't install anyway because of insufficient resources.
I installed linux from a pile of floppies a foot high.
Then I got lex and yacc up and running, and started doing compilers howework.
Then I accidentally rm -rf'd the root dir. Turns out that the distro I was using had 'su' aliased to 'su -' or something similar and I was in slash instead of a subdir because roots homedir was/. I realized all this about 2 minutes in, wondering why the hell the harddrive was slashing eraseing a few kb of crap.
So I picked up the phone, called the department and dropped compilers.
(I took it again the next year, with a much better prof, so it worked out!)
Last I checked, you could legally dynamically link libclntsh.so off a client's oracle installation to make OCI calls as a third-party software developer.
You can't do that with mysql if it is GPL-only. It would GPL-encumber your whole G-D code base.
> As an example Oracle9i runs fine on a block device instead of a fs. The OS only seems to get in the way in the eyes of Oracle DB.
Not entirely true.
1. Running Oracle on a block device instead of a filesystem makes certain classes of backups (like coldsnaps) a real pain in the ass 2. Ever since libaio, the filesystem layer is no longer significant in terms of Oracle performance (at least on Solaris, don't know about others).
ZFS with automatic hotsparing blah blah may actually improve things for filesystem-backed data. My experience is strictly with UFS (or old VxFS) and SVM/ODS/SDS (or old VxVM)
If *I* was in charge of the DL's computer, I wouldn't put on *only* Linux or *only* Windows or what have you. I think the DL needs a multiboot machine, and would really appreciate it if you tried to make him one with everything.
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"I'll be back to working on a solution to this problem again, as soon as I can stop discussing it"
You, I went to kindergarten in a FREAKIN FOREIGN COUNTRY, and had to transfer buses before I got home. I never once got on the wrong bus, because my parents told me if I did that I'd probably never see them again.
I knew that I had to get on the #5, transfer to the #4, and get off when I got to my stop. If I could handle this at 5 years of age in the 1970s, I'm sure kids nowadays can too. After all, most modern five year olds I know can already read the bloody satellite guide, and find Dora's web site on the internet.
It's certainly not the ONLY reason.
Solaris has great backwards compatibility. Better than Windows, even, and not by a small margin, either. I am running a copy of xemacs today I compiled in 1997 or 1998... 5 major OS revisions back. You can even run third-part device drivers meant for 2.4 on 10 with a reasonable expectation that they will work, and work well. You can even run applications built for SunOS 4 and expect many to work. And SunOS 4 -> Solaris 2 was a major leap. About the same sized leap as MacOS 9 -> X.... in Sun's case they changed from BSD to SVR4 underpinnings.
We all know that Solaris doesn't own the desktop. Hell, I'm a Solaris fan as AFAIC they don't even HAVE a desktop.
BTW, Solaris accomplishes this mostly with "shims", in the form of a well-thought-out dynamic linker with built-in versioning.
> I find that I solve many of my hardest problems in the shower.
Ah. Uh-huh.
They did not say that IE competed with Google; they said that Microsoft competed with Google.
Quick, which company am I describing?
- Has an IM network
- Has a large webmail application
- Has a search engine
- Has a browser
- Has an office suite
- Has a mobile platform
- Has billions of dollars
- Wants to be on every desktop
- Is on most of them
*that's* what bourbon is?
Oh, so much more American television just made sense. I thought it was some kind of flat, fortified dark ale.
I really should look these things up.
FWIW, I was always taught that whisky was scotch and whiskey was American for 'rye'.
Hey, that was a good summary, thanks! I never thought of tree-ring-counting as anything other than a kid's game.
Now it sounds like recovering data from a whole bunch of bad harddrives which were overlap mirrors in the same array of non-uniform disks.
> I think Schwartz was not a good choice to lead Sun after McNealy left.
> There is one good thing that came out of Sun in the last couple years, though: open-sourcing of Solaris.
I think Schwartz is a closet hippie (witness the pony-tail). He snuck into Sun pretending to be an MBA-bearing preppie, and when he got there, he looked around and said, "SHIT! We'd better open source everything we can before somebody buys us and locks all this great software up forever!"
> I'll need you to score me a bag of your ketchup flavored Doritos
I'm pretty sure those have been discontinued.
But did you know we buy milk in bags instead of plastic jugs?
> they don't know what double-doubles are.
Not only that, they have dispensed with small cups, renamed medium small, large medium and extra large large.
What a crazy country!
At first, I thought they were trying to get rid of haughty Englishmen with funny bats!
You know, I buy cables in the 3'-25' range on a regular basis, paying something like $3-$15 each. I order $200-$300 worth at a time, they take 3-5 days to come in, and are available in about 6 different colours. (Let's see, I've got white, grey, red, green, purple, red, blue and yellow right here). Ordering them is as simple as filling out a spreadsheet and emailing it to the guy selling them to me, he calls me for a credit card and we're done.
I realize I could probably save a couple of bucks if I just made 'em up and didn't test them, but I still wouldn't get the nice anti-snag boots and moulded strain relief.
If your organization isn't this easy to deal with, perhaps more effort should be spent streamlining the acquisions process and less time should be spent making IT workers imitate assembly-line robots.
Note also that on the rare cases where pre-fabricated cables shouldn't be used (i.e. building wiring), I will always terminate on patch panels or jacks. None of this idiotic male-end-hanging-out-of-a-hole-in-the-wall shit. BIX is pretty easy to punch to 100MHz, these new CAT6 keystone jacks are annoying but also usable if you take your time.
I just hope they don't go pulling the plug on Project Kenai.
Kenai is Sun's version of SourceForge/GitHub/Google Code. I'm hosting a project there and it works well enough, a few minor tweaks and it will be fantastic. I chose it because they had bugzilla, mercurial, forums with feeds and a rudimentary wiki with syntax I didn't hate. And a low-barrier to entry (I am more than capable of setting all that stuff up myself, but I'd rather spend the time hacking code).
Funny, though, I only just realized why I must have received that "please evangelize Kenai!" message in my inbox this morning...
Um, gf3 was released _years_ ago, and nobody liked it because it was buggy as hell. Here is sample from one of the support forums, you'll see what I mean:
> A lot of people like myself aren't willing to pay $1,440
> for the convenience of Internet access anywhere
And some of us are. What's your point?
I installed linux from a pile of floppies a foot high.
Then I got lex and yacc up and running, and started doing compilers howework.
Then I accidentally rm -rf'd the root dir. Turns out that the distro I was using had 'su' aliased to 'su -' or something similar and I was in slash instead of a subdir because roots homedir was /. I realized all this about 2 minutes in, wondering why the hell the harddrive was slashing eraseing a few kb of crap.
So I picked up the phone, called the department and dropped compilers.
(I took it again the next year, with a much better prof, so it worked out!)
setrlimit(3)
"r" in this case being "rubber"
> Until you want to sell the client app.
Last I checked, you could legally dynamically link libclntsh.so off a client's oracle installation to make OCI calls as a third-party software developer.
You can't do that with mysql if it is GPL-only. It would GPL-encumber your whole G-D code base.
Does zvol know where there is/isn't data?
If not, snapshots would have to be the same size as the total storage available, which might get .. challenging .. in some cases.
Some tips from an someone who has BTDT:
1. 28 cokes in one sitting is too many
2. So is three packs of smokes
3. Ditto for a dozen bags of chips
> cars have radiators for a reason. simply downsize/cover the radiator and the
> waste heat increases to a usable level.
Cars have thermostats for a reason, too. It's so you don't have to cover the radiator to get the engine temp up. ;)
> As an example Oracle9i runs fine on a block device instead of a fs. The OS only seems to get in the way in the eyes of Oracle DB.
Not entirely true.
1. Running Oracle on a block device instead of a filesystem makes certain classes of backups (like coldsnaps) a real pain in the ass
2. Ever since libaio, the filesystem layer is no longer significant in terms of Oracle performance (at least on Solaris, don't know about others).
ZFS with automatic hotsparing blah blah may actually improve things for filesystem-backed data. My experience is strictly with UFS (or old VxFS) and SVM/ODS/SDS (or old VxVM)
I just call her HRH E2R. Although sometimes I mistake that name for a postal code.
If *I* was in charge of the DL's computer, I wouldn't put on *only* Linux or *only* Windows or what have you. I think the DL needs a multiboot machine, and would really appreciate it if you tried to make him one with everything.