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US Says Canadian Copyright As Bad As China's, Russia's

An anonymous reader writes "The US is blaming Canada in a new report that claims that Canadian copyright and intellectual property laws are as bad as those found in China and Russia. Michael Geist notes that Canadian officials have dismissed these findings in the past, arguing it 'does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis.'" (Read more about the annual Special 301 report.)

323 comments

  1. Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Zanth_ · · Score: 4, Insightful

    A breath of fresh air in the murky air of pollution spewed by the RIAA/MPAA et. al.

    1. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      wow are you are big idiot or just a fan boy of the RIAA. You know if it were for Canadian copyright laws sites like youtube would not exist. So let the US spew there BS but don't say its good. We don't have CR laws the same as the US and its a good thing.

      How can you say that with a straight face when the DMCA is purely an American law?

    2. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Ardaen · · Score: 2, Funny

      Uhm... Did I miss something? "You spew murky polluted air" is a compliment now? How about "you are a big idiot"? I don't know, maybe I just don't read carefully enough before posting.

    3. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 1

      The only pollution I smell is the sh!t drifting over lake Ontario from New York.

    4. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      The poster before you forgot to add a "not" or "n't" somewhere in his pose I think.

    5. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by guyminuslife · · Score: 1

      Actually, these criticisms have been pretty thoroughly debunked, perhaps most significantly here.

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      I don't believe in time. It's a grand conspiracy designed to sell watches.
    6. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by kingcobra0128 · · Score: 3, Insightful

      wow are you are big idiot or just a fan boy of the RIAA. You know if it were for Canadian copyright laws sites like youtube would not exist. So let the US spew there BS but don't say its good. We don't have CR laws the same as the US and its a good thing.

      How can you say that with a straight face when the DMCA is purely an American law?

      I can say it with a straight face because I believe that Canada has way better laws on copyright then the ancient historical laws of the US. But keep your Copy rights away from me.

    7. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by compro01 · · Score: 2, Informative

      Did you miss the subject line of the post? He's referring to Micheal Geist as the breath of fresh air, and this moronic report as the pollution.

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    8. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hint: Dr. Michael Geist is leading the campaign against an attempt to put in DMCA-like laws into Canada while various big corporations try to push them into place.

      Now read the post you're replying to again. See why people think you're an idiot for it?

    9. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by kingcobra0128 · · Score: 1

      Apparently people didn't understand the statement I was talking about I guess I will quote it. "A breath of fresh air in the murky air of pollution spewed by the RIAA/MPAA" Which means that the guy that wrote it is saying that our laws are shit compared to the US laws and the RIAA and MPAA are right in saying this. I am very happy we have someone like DR. Geist backing us up if we didn't we would of already have had laws like the US. No one in the world wants those Laws except the RIAA and the MPAA.

    10. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2, Informative

      I'm not sure I follow. His statement seems to be implying that the RIAA/MPAA is spewing pollution, creating murky air; which is generally considered to be an unpleasant thing to have. Saying that Dr. Geist is "a breath of fresh air" seems to strongly implying support for Dr. Geist's position and views. i.e. fresh air is generally considered more desirable than murky, polluted air.

    11. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree

    12. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by ImOnlySleeping · · Score: 1

      Unless the poster holds a patent on murky air.

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      Everybody seems to think I'm lazy I don't mind, I think they're crazy
    13. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can say it with a straight face because I believe that Canada has way better laws on copyright then the ancient historical laws of the US.

      You've missed out whatever it is that the US laws do after the Canadian ones.

    14. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unless You consider the fact that not every person in Canada has read Dr. Geist website. Then his statement should be rewritten as it makes it look like he is saying what the US is saying is right when it is totally wrong

    15. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by davecb · · Score: 1

      Indeed: Canada has stronger copyright laws than the U.S., but the "industry groups" who compile the data that makes up the "Special 301" process really really want to blame someone else.

      The good-quality pirate copies aren't camcorded: they're copies of the DVDs sent to reviewers, or professionally recorded in the projection-rooms of the theaters they're playing in.

      --dave

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      davecb@spamcop.net
    16. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by mpe · · Score: 1

      The good-quality pirate copies aren't camcorded: they're copies of the DVDs sent to reviewers, or professionally recorded in the projection-rooms of the theaters they're playing in.

      Or leaked from someone inside the production process...

    17. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by BobPaul · · Score: 1

      No, you misread. Let's review:

      Subject: Thank goodness for Dr. Geist

      Body: A breath of fresh air in the murky air of pollution spewed by the RIAA/MPAA et. al.

      Who spews the pollution? The RIAA/MPAA. Who's a breath of fresh air? Dr. Geist. Who is the poster criticizing? The RIAA/MPAA, and perhaps US Law. Who is the poster not criticizing? Dr. Geist or Canadian law. We can actually clean up the original a little bit and we arrive at:

      Punctuated as a sentence Thank goodness for Dr. Geist: a breath of fresh air in the murky air of pollution spewed by the RIAA/MPAA et. al.

      I don't see how you possibly could have arrived at your conclusion.

    18. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by spanky+the+monk · · Score: 1

      sheesh! drop the metaphors guys.

      try: "I like X", "I hate Y". The we're clear about where we stand.

    19. Re:Thank goodness for Dr. Geist by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      The only pollution I smell is the sh!t drifting over lake Ontario from New York

      In all fairness, though, you are only getting was passes through New York from New Jersey (and yes, I've lived there, so fuck off).

  2. Backhanded Compliment? by CountOfJesusChristo · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Given America's stance on copyright these days, this sounds more like a ringing endorsment of Canadian copyright law than a condemnation.

    1. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by BabyDuckHat · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Copyright law in the United States is a perverted abomination, mutated over decades by powerful corporations to benefit only themselves to the detriment of the people on whos backs they've built their gargantuan regimes.

      It's also the sux0rz.

    2. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by phantomfive · · Score: 4, Insightful
      While I agree with you on America's messed up copyright laws, the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada. The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant. If I were the Canadian government, I would consider allowing this until the US agrees to a more reasonable copyright, say 20 years.

      What really got my interest from the article was this quote:

      It was clear that Washington's patience with Ottawa's repeatedly broken promises has run out, perhaps also a reflection of the greater status and power of the digital and entertainment sectors in the era of the net-savvy Obama administration.

      Net-savvy Obama administration. I don't know if those are exactly the words I would use.....

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      Qxe4
    3. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by MikeUW · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Why is this the problem of Canadian customs agents? Isn't it the responsibility of the US customs agents get off their arses to check incoming shipments?

    4. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada. The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant.

      Canadian customs agents are not the police.

      Like most civilized countries, Canada doesn't stop & search every vehicle & person leaving the country. Canadian customs agents stop & search incoming traffic.

      Keeping bad stuff & bad people out of the USA is the job of the US Customs & Border Patrol.

    5. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's all fine and dandy but on the way INTO the US, its a US customs agents that would check your truck of DVD's.

      I doubt many people drive trucks from Europe to Canada. and I doubt people driving pirated DVD's from the USA into Canada is a problem for the USA.

      So well.. fuck off eh!!

    6. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      You make sense to me, but that was one of the complaints that the US had mentioned in the article.

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      Qxe4
    7. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Gerzel · · Score: 1

      In which case those US customs agents should have a search warrant to check those DVDs unless the basic principals that the United States was founded on have been majorly violated.

      Oh wait...

    8. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by InsertWittyNameHere · · Score: 5, Funny

      That's the problem with the slow-to-adopt-new-technology Americans. In Canada we use digital methods of content distribution. While they continue to look for these fabled and elusive shipments of DVDs and CDs.

      Devious, I know.

    9. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by TubeSteak · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Why is this the problem of Canadian customs agents? Isn't it the responsibility of the US customs agents get off their arses to check incoming shipments?

      Because the USA imports on such a massive scale, they have no hope of nspecting even a fraction of what comes in, so they do their best to fob off responsibility on other countries.

      Kinda like how Federal agencies barely test imports or they would have caught tainted [everything] from China.
      The money and willpower just isn't there.

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      o0t!
    10. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by nametaken · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Agreed. I'm really quite embarrassed that my country would actually criticize another regarding their copyright law and enforcement.

    11. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ooh shut it. It's the fucking border. You think it's bad for a sovereign state to control what comes over their borders? Once you're in that's a different story.

    12. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by dimeglio · · Score: 4, Informative

      Exactly. Canada is a free country. Any individual can leave Canada freely. It's up to the receiving country to check who is coming in.

      To state that the border are unsafe is ridiculous. Point to the matter is this article proving that despite the change in administration, there is still a problem on top when it comes to getting the facts straight. I am disappointed but not surprised.

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      Views expressed do not necessarily reflect those of the author.
    13. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by yabos · · Score: 1

      When you drive to the USA from Canada you don't go through Canadian Customs. You go through USA Customs so if they're letting illegal stuff in then it's their fault.

    14. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by wumingzi · · Score: 1

      In which case those US customs agents should have a search warrant to check those DVDs unless the basic principals that the United States was founded on have been majorly violated.

      #include <ianal.h>

      It's 4:30 in the morning and I don't feel like digging up case law right now. Unfortunately, the law (and the courts) have said for the last, oh, 150 years or so that the rights enshrined in the Constitution do not apply at the border.

      I blame that villainous scofflaw of human rights, Abraham Lincoln.

    15. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The headline was a bit confusing, as I found myself thinking "But wait, don't the US have worse copyright laws than any of those?"
      Guess "bad" is in the eye of the beholder, who'd have thought?

    16. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You still haven't explained why this is a problem for the Canadian border guards though.

      Last time I checked "I'm too lazy to do my job" wasn't sufficient rationale to force someone else to do your job for you.

    17. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      I call pure BS on this.
      The fact that the USA is such a big importer is no excuse. We are a big exporter, so we should check what goes into your country from China via Vancouver? Oh please!

      Then remember that we have only a tenth of the population, thus proportionally a tenth of border patrols. So in addition to checking what comes in we are responsible to check what get's into the US from the North or any of our ports? Makes no sense.

      Finally I oppose the GP. Our border guards can stop and search any truck full of CD/DVD and make sure thy have the proper import paper (payed the proper taxes) and let them in! What is the problem? I see plenty of blank CD and DVD in numerous stores.

    18. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by i_ate_god · · Score: 3, Interesting

      While I agree with you on America's messed up copyright laws, the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada. The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant. If I were the Canadian government, I would consider allowing this until the US agrees to a more reasonable copyright, say 20 years.

      20 years? How about, until the author dies. I'm getting pretty sick and tired of people like you telling me what I can and can not do with my music. Yeah, I want to give it away for free, does not mean that 20 years from now, you can use my music as the backing song to a commercial espousing views I don't believe in. It does not mean in 20 years you can take my work, remix it to something you like more, and claim it as your own. I'm sick and fucking tired of extremists who are either trying to screw over the audience, or screw over the creator.

      I don't believe in DRM, I don't believe in gouging fans. Like I said, I'd rather give away my music for free and release limited edition albums for collectors. But I don't want to see my music taken away from me so long as I'm alive. And even after death, what then? Stop pushing for limited copyright lengths, you sound just as selfish as the record labels you're trying to fight against and it doesn't really inspire the artists to hear that you expect them to give up their hard work in the near future.

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    19. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Corrected that for you.

      Because Canada exports on such a massive scale, they have no hope of inspecting even a fraction of what goes out, so they do their best to fob off responsibility on other countries.

      The money and willpower just isn't there.

    20. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      I'm getting pretty sick of people like you claiming you own music. Once you let it out the door, it ain't yours any more. If you don't want it duplicated, covered, used in a commercial, etc. then KEEP IT TO YOURSELF. I'm not missing your creativity right now.

    21. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by ShieldW0lf · · Score: 1

      Maybe the USA should make their own shit instead of living like parasites. It's easy to believe people should live in peace when you've got your teeth firmly embedded in someones neck. Not so easy when you're one of the ones being bled dry...

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    22. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      Because the USA imports on such a massive scale, they have no hope of nspecting even a fraction of what comes in, so they do their best to fob off responsibility on other countries.

      But it is not Canada duty to enforce some other countries law on their own soil. The jurisdiction of US law is, funnily enough, the USA. Canada should not be penalizing people on its own soil, based on the laws of some other country. If the USA is not happy with this, then they should simply be checking what comes through their borders.

      And before you ask this is not a question of whether or not Canada is paid to help the USA, it is about Canada laws on Canada soil.

      --
      Jumpstart the tartan drive.
    23. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant./quote>

      FYI,Speaking as a former Customs agent, copyright law is one of the many laws and regulations Customs Officers are trying to uphold.

      However, your example of a "truckload of DVD's" that "make it into the US through Canada" would imply that the onus would be on U.S. Customs to prevent the commercial importation of pirated disks into the country. The onus on preventing the production of pirated material in Canada falls on local and federal law enforcement.

      For what it's worth (at least how it works on the Canadian side... I assume the US too) no 'warrants' are needed to search and hold goods coming into the country; if the Customs Officer wants to detain goods until satisfied that everything checks out he/she is duty bound to do so.

    24. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by 1800maxim · · Score: 1

      Once again, Canada does not check what is leaving their country. It only checks what's coming into it. The same thing is with the US. The US customs agents DO NOT check what's leaving their country - it's the receiving country (in the case of US-Canada border, that would be Canada) that checks what's coming in.

      Thus, if the pirated versions originated in Canada (have not been imported to Canada from Asia), this outgoing shipment will not even come in contact with Canadian customs.

      And if the US customs cannot handle incoming inspections, how is this a problem of Canada?

    25. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Ash+Vince · · Score: 1

      They are whining about the fact that when Canadian customs officers do find goods that breach Canadian copyright law thay have to follow that pesky due process of going via a court of law rather than just impounding it and sorting it out later. This pesky legal oversight and due process thing gets in the way too much.

      It is like that whole innocent until proven guilty thing.

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      I dont read /. to RTFA, I read /. to offend people in ignorance.
    26. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by cagrin · · Score: 1

      "Protectionism" of sovereign nations was long ago destroyed by the free trade and NAFTA agreements, kinda like the US ignores illegal immigrants from Mexico and allows companies to outsource to countries where they can get cheaper labour. If you look into it, what our so-called elected leaders have in mind is a world government and has been their goal for many years now (except perhaps for Ron Paul and a few others). If you haven't seen it yet, The Obama Deception, by Alex Jones.

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    27. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      It's also the sux0rz.

      You misspelled "teh".

    28. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Christian+Henry · · Score: 1

      The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you without getting a warrant.

      Of course they can't; you'll only deal with a Canadian custom agent if you're coming into Canada. The Canadian government is not responsible for policing entry into the US, the same as the US is not responsible for policing entry into Canada.

    29. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Sumbius · · Score: 1

      I agree with you but there is a slight problem with having copyrights released after the authors death. "Boom, head shot. All your music are belong to us." In music, I think that this would be acceptable, but in some other material it would cause a possible danger for the author, if there is a ruthless enough publisher that wants to produce the copyrighted material. Or someone might be arrested for the possession of pirated goods and then decide to kill the author so his/hers prison sentence would be shortened. Well this is quite unlikely though.

    30. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Plekto · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Copyright law in the United States is a perverted abomination, mutated over decades by powerful corporations to benefit only themselves to the detriment of the people on whos backs they've built their gargantuan regimes.

      ****
      I'd also like to add that when the U.S. was trying to grow and expand in its early years, we blatantly stole and copied everything that we could get our hands on. If you want to innovate and get ahead of the competition, a policy of ignoring copyrights and patents and so on is a very smart move.

      China is kicking our butts right now because of it. There was an article yesterday about new stem cell advances. Buried in the article was a mention that they were recruiting scientists and biologists from the U.S. We're slipping behind precisely because we are mired down in too many rules.

      I know if I was a new grad student and just wanted to work on the cutting edge of my field, I'd be awfully tempted to go to China, because I could probably do the same things in half the time.

    31. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by phantomfive · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Anyone can parody it, even now. That's right: they can use your own music and turn it around to mock you. And it's totally legal.

      I don't have much sympathy for people who want complete artistic control of their music into perpetuity. Stealing bits of music is an old artistic tradition, as old as music. Bach did it, so did Berlioz and Liszt. In fact you've probably done it yourself: as Picasso said, good artists copy, great artists steal.

      Copyright was established to promote the arts and science, not to satisfy control freaks. 20 years protection is more than enough time.

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      Qxe4
    32. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by jvillain · · Score: 1

      One of the biggest sources of piracy in North America right now has to be the poorly encrypted Dish satellite signals that pirates easily tap into. Seems to me they are in the US. Wolverine wasn't leaked from Canada but was from the US. The Metallica album was leaked from the US etc, etc.

      Like environmental issues it is easier to highlight some one else's issues than it is to deal with your own.

    33. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Have+Brain+Will+Rent · · Score: 1

      Yeah that's exactly what I was thinking - if it's stuff entering the US then it's the US border folk that have responsibility not the Canadian. Do the US border people check everyone leaving the US to make sure they aren't taking something into Canada that is unlawful in Canada? Of course not.

      --
      The tyrant will always find a pretext for his tyranny - Aesop
    34. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Curtman · · Score: 1

      because I could probably do the same things in half the time.

      ... with 1/32 the pay!

    35. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Curtman · · Score: 2, Interesting

      But it is not Canada duty to enforce some other countries law on their own soil.

      You wouldn't think so... But strangely enough Marc Emery got hauled off to jail for breaking a U.S. law on Canadian soil where there is no law against his actions. Thanks for setting that precedent Stephen Harper.

    36. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Curtman · · Score: 1

      "Protectionism" of sovereign nations was long ago destroyed by the free trade and NAFTA agreements

      Not really. There is no court that has jurisdiction to enforce the rules of NAFTA so it becomes a game of who can go to court more times and not give up. See the softwood lumber issue for details.

    37. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by orasio · · Score: 1

      Either way, you can't own music. When you release your music to the public, you no longer own it.
      In fact, copyright formally assigns ownership to the public domain, and was originally supposed to give you a limited monopoly on distribution in exchange for your contribution.
      Back when it was created, it might have been a good idea. Right now, with distribution channels available to everyone, I don't think it makes sense anymore to grant monopolies. Authors will publish anyhow, so it doesn't make sense anymore to give them something for something they would do regardless.

    38. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      You wouldn't think so... But strangely enough Marc Emery got hauled off to jail for breaking a U.S. law on Canadian soil where there is no law against his actions [www.cbc.ca]. Thanks for setting that precedent Stephen Harper.

      Then again when you see how much of a jerk Harper is being with the Omar Khadr case, you have to wonder whether he is either racist or has no care for what it means to be a national of your own country. We don't have a real good choice of parties, and we just happened to have one when where even his own party disagrees with their leader's actions.

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    39. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by cagrin · · Score: 1

      I'm an environmentalist ;) and as such have little sympathy with anyone selling Canadian wood products outside of Canada for any price. I realize that logging is just a job to some people and most of the blame can be put on government for some feeling that they must cut down forests to support their families (over taxed: income taxes and property taxes most notably). If the US wants to put duty taxes on softwood lumber, i'd suggest stop selling them our wood products, or make them pay through the nose if they want any. Just my humble opinion.

      P.S. If you haven't seen these, i think it's important to understand how we got into the current mess we are in and why our taxes are so high in a country that has so many natural resources: Money As Debt, Crime of the Canadian Banking System, and finally, Endgame - Blueprint for Global Enslavement.

      There should be NO REASON to have to sell ANYTHING to another country with a country full of natural resources such as ours(if Canada was a desert it might be different), the fault goes to our so-called elected leaders to allow this situation to happen and continue (they are bought and paid for by the globalists, ie international bankers)...the US (or other countries) were not forced to invade Canada to rape us, they did it from within...and it's sad :(

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    40. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yo "creator",
      You can claim "your music" all you want, but you know deep inside you: what you call "creation" is just an interactive process between your brain and the entire humankind's previous experience to this day, delivered to you in the form of information & knowledge, mostly FREE OF CHARGE.
      Simply put,
      If you were Mozart, no matter how genius musician you are, you wouldn't be able to write JAZZ.
      What I mean is, you can't "create" your (or any other) music without feeding yourself from some source first, already existing one.
      By the other hand, music is glorious, but IT IS NOT FOOD, ok? If you're unable to sell it yourself and make a living out of it, NO COPYRIGHT LAW IS GONNA CHANGE THAT.
      Copyright laws were created by the greedy business to make a living. That's all.
      Absolutely no offense intended. Just making a point.

    41. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      consider allowing this until the US agrees to a more reasonable copyright, say 20 years.

      I like the suggestion of asking the US to make their copyright what it started out as, and offering to support that.

    42. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Frostalicious · · Score: 1

      The Canadian government essentially permits this, for example, if you drive across the border with a truck full of DVDs, the Canadian customs agents can't stop you

      Not their job to check who leaves the country. That's part of the freedom thing. I could exit the country with a case of pirate DVDs, 500 pounds of crack, a rocket launcher and a dead hooker in the trunk and they wouldn't even check me. And if the US authorities spotted me, I'd toss the DVDs out the window first.

    43. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Your proposal gives me an incentive to kill you.

      This is not intended to be a threat in any way, but if I can use your works for free just by arranging an "accident", you really have no protection at all. The goose that laid the golden egg and all that. You don't want to push for a law that gives any incentive at all to murder.

    44. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't know what field you are referring to, but I can tell you that for particle physics PhDs the compensation in research positions in China is competitive with leading institutions in the US (MIT, CalTech).

    45. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by BigPeen · · Score: 1

      As someone who deals with patents/copyrights in the daily job, I can say that copyrights and patent extending beyond the life of the author are not an incentive for the author/inventor. They only serve to enrich the companies that own the copyrights after the death. I'm not saying this is a terrible thing. I'm not some "blah blah blah the multinational corporations man! blah blah blah". But when people argue that patents/copyrights of a duration that extends beyond the life of the author/inventor to incentivize them.....that's total BS.

    46. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This has been suggested before:
      You can have it as long as you claim ownership of it. Free copyright for (say) 20 years and then a small fee (say $20-$50) to retain copyright for each successive five years.
      Disney can lock up Mickey Mouse forever but many orphaned works would fall into the public domain and perhaps find a new life.

    47. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're mostly right, except for one thing - how much of "your" music is really exclusively yours. All creators borrow from other influences; nobody creates in a vacuum.

      I also agree that there is some case for allowing an author's moral rights to last longer than their commercial rights.

      However, there must be, at the very least, a dramatic expansion in fair use.

    48. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Bellegante · · Score: 1

      This post, and your entire attitude, shows that you don't have the first clue WHY copyright exists in the first place.

      Copyright doesn't exist for the purpose of protecting your 'rights' to your imaginary property. Copyright exists to allow you a limited period of time to benefit from works you create.

      The WHOLE POINT of copyright protection is so that anyone can use your work!

      If you don't see work you created used by someone else, somewhere, over the course of your life, the constitution has failed and business interests have been declared more important than the general public.

    49. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by WNight · · Score: 1

      ... which has just as much buying power.

    50. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd like to know where you got your inspiration from...

      I'm sure you've never been inspired by another artist, never reworked something you heard that was neat... I'm sure you've never covered someone else's song. I'm sure you grew up in a musical vacumn, and all your stuff is purely original.

      20 years isn't so bad... Copyright used to be about that long... How did poor starving artists make a living? THEY WORKED. They played shows. They sold merchandise. They didn't sit around expecting royalty checks.

    51. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You can't have your cake and eat it too.

      you either have complete control or none...
      (unless you want to write better laws than what we have)

      While you might not was financial reward for your work you still want creative control over whats done with it.

      Now the better question is

      In 20 years will you care what someone does with your work?
      If you do, good make it so those who want to keep copyrights for longer have to jump through hoops or it goes public domain

      it doesn't really inspire the artists to hear that you expect them to give up their hard work in the near future.

      can you give me one artist that DIRECTLY is making money off something they made twenty years ago? I'm not talking musicians that are megastars and are still touring or people who get fees from whoever uses what they made

      Someone who is selling the exact same piece of work they did twenty years ago...

      Its actually quite hard to come up with an example mostly due to there is one catch to this.

      Nothing made twenty years ago will EVER directly profit an artist. Anything physical will only ever be able to be sold once. Any performance will be unique and thus not 'made' twenty years ago. Recordings go through middle man for most musicians. The only example i can think of is artists selling cds they made themselves with music they did twenty years ago...

    52. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by spanky+the+monk · · Score: 1

      You've just illustrated how IP stifles innovation; precisely the opposite of it's alleged intention.

    53. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by spanky+the+monk · · Score: 1

      whatever, man. The intention for world government is still there.

    54. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      In America, how did the powerful become powerful? Have they done something you couldn't do?

      Well, I for one was not really in a position of having powerful friends who could get me lucrative Civil War contracts. Of course, later it was other wars, but the beginning of the Robber Baron period was really due to the lucrative Civil War contracts which included weapons, railroads, and so on. And, of course, a compliant and semi-fascist Supreme Court makes things go over even easier.

    55. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I agree to a degree.

      I think it should be tiered. If the rights are owned by the Creator(An individual), then it should be for Natural life. (If said individual dies unexpectedly through un-natural means, then the ownership of rights should go to creator's heir for an assumed period of time that the creator would live)

      However as soon as those rights are signed over to a "Corporate entity" or an individual who is not the creator, then the Rights should be limited in time.

      In fact what would be better would be that only the creator gets permanent rights, everyone else gets a set specific period of time, after which they can then negotiate with the creator again.

      Just my 2c

    56. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      Interesting answer, but anyone who got lucrative Civil War contracts is not powerful, they are dead. Try again.

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    57. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      welcome to reality. if you don't like people hearing your music, then keep it locked away. I'm sick and tired of this elitist artist attitude. You're more than welcome to take your ball and go home. I think 20 years is more than sufficient as we should not be rewarding one-trick ponies. If you're good enough to make a living as an artist, you should be able to make more than one hit.

    58. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by PCM2 · · Score: 1

      I wasn't aware that Janet Napolitano was an Arizonan. Knowing that, I think they couldn't have picked a worse person for the job. Arizona is, in my opinion, probably the most xenophobic and racist state in the nation now. This is a state that doesn't celebrate Martin Luther King Day, fer chrissakes. If you ask a resident, their stated objection will be that it's a slippery slope -- first we'll have a holiday for Martin Luther King, and next we'll be having one for Cesar Chavez. I've heard this exact argument more than once from people who don't know each other. Never mind that the population of Arizona is already 30 percent hispanic ; God forbid we should honor an American of Mexican descent with a holiday. Never mind that Cesar Chavez was dedicated to the rights of workers; God forbid we should choose to give workers a day off in his honor.

      My mother retired to Arizona with her husband some years ago. She now regularly forwards joke emails from her friends about the Mexicans and the damn immigrants. This surprises me ... because just like me, my mother is a first-generation immigrant. Why the jokes about Green Cards? We used to have Green Cards. Why the jokes about stealing our jobs? We both came here and got jobs, too. And besides, my mom hasn't worked in years. She collects Social Security now. Imagine that, an immigrant on Social Security. But I guess once you move to a racist, xenophobic place, it's hard to keep those ideas from sinking in.

      Sorry, any Arizonans out there -- but Arizona and the attitudes that fester there are simply sickening. It's no surprise to me that Janet Napolitano doesn't get it.

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    59. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      20 years? How about, until the author dies. I'm getting pretty sick and tired of people like you telling me what I can and can not do with my music. Yeah, I want to give it away for free, does not mean that 20 years from now, you can use my music as the backing song to a commercial espousing views I don't believe in. It does not mean in 20 years you can take my work, remix it to something you like more, and claim it as your own. I'm sick and fucking tired of extremists who are either trying to screw over the audience, or screw over the creator.

      Too bad that an automobile assembly line worker doesn't have those same protections against having a suicide bomber use a car they built to blow up a childrens school.

      I don't know who convinced 'artists' that they deserve enormous sums of cash for their work, but they've certainly set us up for where we're at now.

      Artists: If you want more money for your performances: GO PERFORM.

      More and more people these days write for free because they know they can't sell their book. The reason authors got paid as much as they did is because the publishing industry had a stranglehold on distribution and the ability to enforce idealized laws. This applies to Music and Movies as well.

      By creating the artificial construct of copyright law, the government has enabled un-involved middle-men to artificially maintain an inflated cost of production for artistic works.

      I certainly agree that it's good to have individuals get paid to produce art (be it painting, writing, music, plays or filmn or other) a legal construct to prevent the distibution of the artistic message only harms the actual meaning of the artform. The old system of patronage recognized that art needed to be funded in advance: no holds barred freedom for the artist to produce. Obviously this didn't always work out for the patron, but art was produced. This business of only funding art if it's possible to get money out after it's produced is loony. And it leads to the drivel we have on the radio, tv and cinema these days.

      An bluecollars are paid for the work they do. When an artist can be reimbursed 70 years after they've produced something, and have sat on their ass for the intervening period, there is something seriously wrong with the system.

    60. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by RagnarTheRepulsive · · Score: 1

      All works are essentially based upon other peoples works. Your work is most certainly derivative from many other works, some conscious and others subconscious. The only thing allowing you to have a monopoly on your particular idea at all is society. In exchange society requires you to give it back eventually. If you want to keep it from other people forever, it is simple - don't play it for other people.

    61. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Copyright laws in the US as of the mid 1800's have all been a result of international treaties. We have changed no copyright laws after the mid 1800's without signing onto a treaty first.

      Now don't get me wrong, the same powerful corporations could be behind those international treaties but the changes that most people bitch about today stem from compliance with the Berne Convention, the Uragay round table agreements, the WTC and WPPT. While Cannada isn't a signitory to the WTC or WPPT WIPO treaties, Europe and many other countries are which is why you see a lot of other countries attempting to implement DMCA style laws only to be repeatedly shot down by their populous. The DMCA was more or less taken directly from the WTC and WPPT treaties minus the penalties.

      Anyways, it's way more complex then your overly simple observation would allow and if you ever expect anything to be done about them, you will have to understand the fundamental behind the motivation more then claiming "X is evil" so that efforts can be directed into productive areas capable of providing satisfactory results. The reason you have the belief that the powerful corporations created the laws and that there is nothing that can be done is because the wrong villain has been blamed.

    62. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Actually, it's the problem of both.

      When a countries wants to participate in trade, especially when that trade is the manufacturing, importation, or selling of goods within another country, then sometimes there are rules and restrictions to that trade. These rules and restrictions are generally outlines in multinational or unilateral treaties that both countries are participants to. Anyways, the berne convention in which Canada is party to states that each member country has an obligation to honor the copyright of authors in other countries as well as make reasonable legislation (while providing for fair use) to ensure that happens.

      NAFTA on the other hand, also has provisions involved in which each country is bound to deter the importation of anything banned or restricted by law into one of the member countries. This places more of an obligation on Canada itself for the inspection and removal of Pirated copies of copyright protected materials. This also gets sort of complicated because there are quite a few limitations to this rule. An example of this might be the transportation through the US of something illegal in the US but legal in Mexico or perhaps even illegal in Mexico but legal to ship out of Mexico.

      I'm suspecting that the US is attempting to make claims that would present a reason for bailing on the North American Free Trade Agreement with Canada and to negotiate something more favorable to the US. This was suggested by both primary candidates of the party who took power during the last election cycle. I can imagine that they are priming the situation to use the down economy to threaten Canada with bans on imports and passage through America to Mexico per NAFTA which would harm their economy- under the guise of things like this in order to get rid of the "free" in the trade and implement something that the US benefits from more. I would expect to start seeing more things like this.

      Anyways, its not really a "not my problem" situation for Canada. How much of their problem it might actually be could probably be debated but they need to at least appear as if they are doing something even if not successful in order to satisfy some trade treaties.

    63. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      That's an interesting concept considering that Europe is more reliant on international trade then any other area in the world. Something else that's interesting is that the quality of life for many china citizens has enormously increased ever since the US and EU started importing goods and investing in manufacturing there. The same can be said in India too.

      Oh, I'm sorry. I get it now, you weren't actually serious about anything you said, you were just looking for mod points and mad props by blaming and bashing the US for everything. Oh well, ignore my post and continue.

    64. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      Well, actually it will have came into contact with Canadian customs. All shipments in Canada and the US need a bill of lading and all shipments leaving the country need a copy of that BoL files or declared with an export agent representing customs. You are correct in that an agent doesn't actually look into the shipping container or truck but they do look at the BoL before it leaves the country.

      Now what's going to be a problem is whether or not the BoL accurately reflects the contents of the shipping containers or truck in which it is being hauled in. If it does, then it will be obvious to find on either side of the border. If it doesn't then two things have transpired that makes it Canada's problem. First, they are allowing the shipment of undeclared and/or improperly classified materials into the US which is a violation of not only the NAFTA treaty but GATT provisions and some that were replace by the WTO as well as well as various Canadian and US laws. You also have some issues with the berne convention and the copyright protections in the Geneva convention which Canada signed but didn't implement in 1971, the Rome Convention in which Canada has in force since 1998, the WTC and WPPT which Canada signed but didn't implement in 1997 when it comes to copyrights.

      Keep in mind, I separated the copyrights in particular and stated which they were bound by (in force) in order to show why pressure is being placed to implement laws to these effect. The DMCA was taken almost word for word from the WTC and WPPT articles minus the penalties and a few quirks in implementation. Those two treaties is also the reason why not only are other countries attempting to implement those laws, but why the US has been able to enforce it's DMCA laws in Australia and other places. There are provisions that allow for that if the member country doesn't have a particular law covering an item in the treaty. Although that gets really complicated to enforce.

      Personally, I think this outburst is more along the lines of ammunition to get rid of NAFTA and implement something more restrictive and beneficial with the US. Recently Canada has blasted the US claiming that the "buy American" campaigns operated by governments(government contracts) and unions or trade groups violate NAFTA protocol and is essentially protectionism. Expect some more crap like this then someone claiming that NAFTA was the reason for the mortgage meltdown and recession we are in and then expect the "free" in North American Free Trade Agreement to disappear.

    65. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by sumdumass · · Score: 1

      While that is technically true, it isn't necessarily true.

      In the US, the treaties made under the authority of the constitution are part of the supreme law of the land. Article III of the constitution also gives US courts constitutional authority over any treaty regardless of arbitration clauses providing someone can show cause to bring a suit under the treaty. Now it should be noted that you can't create a treaty that is unconstitutional (even though some people want to claim you can) because congress and the president is bound to the authority and limits of the US constitution. All laws, treaties, government actions are required to be made in pursuant to the constitution not only because it says so, but because it's the defining authority allowing them to be made. Otherwise it would be no different then you or I declaring a law or treaty in place, we could do that but it would have no authority.

      Anyways, at least in the US, the US supreme court retains judicial powers over all treaties by right of constitutional provisions. Getting them to use that power may end up an exercise in futility but they do have the power of jurisprudence over it by the same authority that allows the US to make treaties in the first place. It would take a constitutional amendment to remove that power.

      As a side note, did you know that there can actually be "unconstitutional" constitutional amendments? Interestingly enough, the amendment process is limited from two provision happening, the first being an amendment effecting first and fourth clauses in the ninth section of the first article before 1808 and the second which is still in force, being that no state can be deprived of equal amounts of senators in the senate without it's consent. Don't know why I added that other then I thought it was interesting when it popped into my head after looking at article III again to verify my statement.

    66. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by WebCowboy · · Score: 1

      While I agree with you on America's messed up copyright laws, the problem apparently is that a lot of commercially bootlegged products make it into the US through Canada.

      So, it is the job of Canada and other foreign nations to enforce the laws of the US? If Canada were to, for example, ask *US Customs agents* to seize firearms that are legally owned and possessed by visiting Americans but restricted in Canada then the US would tell us to stuff it--get Canadian agents to do their job!

      Shouldn't that be the case here? If someone is entering the US from Canada with goods that are legal in Canada but US has a problem with them because they are imitations, then perhaps US agents should do their f*cking jobs and seize their own goods.

      I'm not saying Canadian law needs some work in this area, as some IP violations are public safety concerns (knockoff toys from China contaminated with lead, counterfeit food items tainted with melamine or ethylene glycol, fake viagra that induces heart attack and so on). Canada in this case should tell US to stuff it, because Canadian resources should be used to concentrate on the IMPORTATION of counterfeit goods INTO Canada that violate health and safety laws, NOT to seize bootleg DVDs and fake Prada fashion accessories going OUT of Canada.

      Whenever RIAA or MPAA try to enlist the government's assistance in chasing down copyrigt violators everyone gets up in arms about it, saying that by law copyright and trademark holders have to take reasonable responsibility to enforce their IP rights or they risk losing them. It seems in this case they've abdicated their rights in the US. Aside from movie and music sharing, there is very clear evidence that the rate of IP theft in Canada is much LOWER than that of the US. If you compare the easiest places to find knockoff products in Canada (Vancouver and Toronto) with American cities like New York and LA, it is completely obvious that enforcement is FAR from uniform--Hollywood has its dirty little paws in DC and a powerful cartel out there shaking down little girls and college students, thus media piracy is relatively contained. Electronics and fashion items, however, get no such special treatment and their manufacturers do little to take advantage of what are supposedly the toughest IP laws in the world.

    67. Re:Backhanded Compliment? by phantomfive · · Score: 1

      it is completely obvious that enforcement is FAR from uniform--Hollywood has its dirty little paws in DC and a powerful cartel out there shaking down little girls and college students, thus media piracy is relatively contained.

      Think of the children and all that, eh? Can't let little girls be shaken down by dirty paws.

      Also, is there any law in the nation where enforcement IS uniform?

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  3. Comparisons??? by Quasar1999 · · Score: 4, Informative

    Honestly, if you want to compare American and Canadian laws, copyright laws are the bottom of the list in terms of impact and relevency. There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

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    1. Re:Comparisons??? by iYk6 · · Score: 2, Funny

      There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

      Including copyright law. You see, Michael Geist is stuck in the 80's, where "bad" means "good". Understand now?

    2. Re:Comparisons??? by russotto · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Honestly, if you want to compare American and Canadian laws, copyright laws are the bottom of the list in terms of impact and relevency. There are WAY more important laws that clearly shows Canada's are generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to their American counterparts.

      Right. Like the Canadian content laws or the hate propaganda laws.

      (oops)

    3. Re:Comparisons??? by diodeus · · Score: 1

      The Conservative wackos in power in Canada will probably sneak in the ratification of the ACTA (anti-counterfeiting trade agreement) while the other parties are across the street at the pub. ...or maybe during some sort of 9/11 scenario involving snowmobiles...or toxic poutine.

    4. Re:Comparisons??? by Unoriginal_Nickname · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Canada's laws aren't, I think, generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to American law. We have some pretty foreboding hate speech laws in Canada and a significant cross-section of the law is still defined in an unwritten common law; but I suppose if your priorities lie in downloading music, marrying other men or smoking pot we must look like quite the utopia.

      The scary part about all of this is the comparison to China and Russia. The copyright laws in those countries are pretty far from lenient, they're just almost entirely unenforced. This whole story is another lie from the people who brought you the rather quaint notion that most film piracy comes from Canadians recording movies with camcorders rather than the reality of film pre-release DVDs getting leaked from the MPAA.

    5. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      For those who don't remember the 80s watch and need clarification on the bad is good thing see "The Wizard" for an example. That is, "I love the Power Glove; it's so bad."

      Man, the Power Glove. It was so awesome it was badical.

      And watch "Rad" while you're at it. Gnarly!

    6. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Informative

      For those who don't know what the content laws are, a certain and sizable percentage of the music and shows broadcast on Canadian radio and television has to be Canadian in origin. The TV part is not all that bad (especially since so many US/worldwide shows are shot there anyway) but Canadian music is... Well, usually pretty awful.

    7. Re:Comparisons??? by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 1

      Or the DEA officers that conduct secret investigations entrapping otherwise law biding Canadian citizens over a law of prohibition kept in stone by American ideology.

      Sometimes, killing them with torture while they are in custody, then playing it off as suicide. (Movie:The Union)

    8. Re:Comparisons??? by adonoman · · Score: 1

      Not the poutine! Anything but that!

    9. Re:Comparisons??? by inhuman_4 · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Indeed, just look at the recent case where MacLean' Magazine (Canada's version of Time) got taken to the human rights commission for hate speech.

      Watching that unfold really opened my eyes to just how draconian some of our hate speech laws are. The human rights commission has their own rules, and run a kangaroo court worthy of Stalin.

      MacLean's only got out of it because they have such a large readership. A huge part of the Canadian population was watching the proceedings and the human rights commission had to let MacLean's go. Otherwise the public would have demanded their closure. But from what I have read a few smaller companies and individuals have been taken to the cleaners by these guys.

      I am generally pretty happy with the laws here in Canada, but there are a few things that make you wonder what kind of clowns are running this country.

      On a happier note, the Canadian RIAA pushed for those stupid levees on our CDs to compensate for piracy. They made a good buck on that scam too. But now the tables have finally turned. We already have a system for compensating them for piracy. They can lobby all they want but the legal precedent is in place. Generally judges are less corrupt then politicians, so we do stand a chance.

    10. Re:Comparisons??? by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the explanation.

      There is some speculation that the US is going to end up with something like that as well, the Fairness Doctrine.

    11. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      There is some speculation that the US is going to end up with something like that as well, the Fairness Doctrine.

      And there is a great deal of speculation that us Canucks will end up with American-style copyright law: Bill C-60.

      So we'll all end up with the worst of both worlds.... Hurray!

    12. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      American media is not usually government owned though.

    13. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That explains why they rarely play good music on the radio every time I visit there for work... thanks for the heads up :)

    14. Re:Comparisons??? by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Neither is ours. The only government owned media is CBC (and whatever each province has, like SCN here in Saskatchewan) and attempts to censor it tend to be dealt with harshly in the court of public opinion.

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    15. Re:Comparisons??? by Cabriel · · Score: 1

      Right. Canada doesn't care what you take as long as it's Canadian and you apologize to the owner for taking it and thank them for their product.

    16. Re:Comparisons??? by Lordnerdzrool · · Score: 1

      The "Fairness Doctrine", while I strongly dislike it, doesn't seek to do this. Fairness doctrine attempts to create "unbalanced" reporting by forcing holders of broadcast licenses to give equal time, but not for candidates, rather, controversial issues. Notice that it is not requiring, in any way, the broadcasters be American. Nationality has nothing to do with the Fairness Doctrine.

    17. Re:Comparisons??? by Nyeerrmm · · Score: 3, Insightful

      As a red-blooded American who lives in Texas and enjoys making fun of Canada as much as the next guy, I must admit:

      I like Canadian music.

      Looking at my phone... 4 out of the 22 bands on there (I really need to get my full-sized iPod back) are Canadian. For those who are curious: Arcade Fire, Sloan, Stars, and the New Pornographers. Between the Canadian station on XM and a sister who goes to school in Syracuse, I've rather enjoyed my exposure to it. Maybe I just like awful music though...

    18. Re:Comparisons??? by Gerafix · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Huh?? Yeah, right. I'd much rather listen to Emily Haines than Americas favourite Britney Spears. How you got modded Informative is mind boggling.

    19. Re:Comparisons??? by shutdown+-p+now · · Score: 3, Informative

      Indeed, just look at the recent case where MacLean' Magazine (Canada's version of Time) got taken to the human rights commission for hate speech.

      For reference, here's the story.

    20. Re:Comparisons??? by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      a significant cross-section of the law is still defined in an unwritten common law

      All countries whose legal systems derive from the British system are in this position; the US is no exception. The US system also has the issue that the common law varies from state to state and courts may or may not decide to accept precedents set outside of their jurisdiction as they see fit, which makes the entire thing even harder to deal with.

    21. Re:Comparisons??? by Phazm · · Score: 3, Interesting

      For a list of Canadian Bands
      Please see below for some Canadian bands you may not have heard of from the 90's (and earlier) to check out on youtube. Listening to a song from one of their first 2 albums is a good place to start.

      *Bands you'll probably like*

      *90's*
      I Mother Earth
      The Tea Party
      The Tragically Hip
      Age of Electric
      Sam Roberts Band
      Big Wreck
      Moist
      Our Lady Peace

      *Older*
      Rush The Guess Who - "American Woman"
      Bachman-Turner Overdrive
      Neil Young & Crazy Horse

      *Bands you may like*
      Barenaked Ladies
      Big Sugar
      Blue Rodeo
      The Crash Test Dummies
      Econoline Crush
      54-40
      Finger Eleven
      The Gandharvas
      Gob
      Jeff Healey Band
      Killjoys
      Matthew Good Band
      Prozzak
      Sloan
      Spirit of the West
      Treble Charger
      Wide Mouth Mason
      Zuckerbaby

      Hope you enjoy some of the talent we have here up north.
      Regards,
      Chris

      Ensuing Silence - A Canadian Band I played in. Check out the solo in "Believe It"
      www.myspace.com/ensuingsilence

    22. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is some speculation that the US is going to end up with something like that as well, the Fairness Doctrine.

      If by "speculation" you mean "made up rants by Republican conspiracy theorists", then perhaps. But nobody in any position of power with the will to get stuff implemented is planning on bringing back the fairness doctrine. Sorry.

      Oh, and it has nothing to do with Canadians requiring a quota of Canadian authored content, either.

    23. Re:Comparisons??? by jmikelittle · · Score: 1, Interesting

      Canadian Music is actually pretty wonderful. The only problem with Canadian music is that the bad acts make it big for some reason (like nickelback, avril etc etc) while really solid acts like Feist, Broken Social Scene, The Stills, Crystal Castles (it's easy to continue) have difficulty making it mainstream. I like all these bands so its hard for me to see how people couldn't, but give Radio 2 a listen, they're doing great things to promote the Canadian music scene (when they're not playing classical) tl;dr: Canadian music is awesome, but bad is popular and good is still indie

    24. Re:Comparisons??? by digitig · · Score: 1

      the 80's, where "bad" means "good".

      I've heard the Michael Jackson album. Are you sure?

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    25. Re:Comparisons??? by gaderael · · Score: 1

      ...but Canadian music is... Well, usually pretty awful.

      The same can be said about most music coming out of the States, or any other country for that matter. You just have to know where to look to get the good stuff.

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    26. Re:Comparisons??? by remmelt · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Apostle of Hustle, Metric, Feist, and all the other spin-off bands/solo projects off of Broken Social Scene, Wolf Parade, Miracle Fortress...

      Loads more: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Music_of_Canada

      (Skip the Celine and the Brian)

    27. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the truth... and what happens is when a good artist comes along, it's all we hear (since we have to fill that with something!) until it's so over played we can't take it... typically resulting in group suicide.

    28. Re:Comparisons??? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Lets not forget that in most cases that Canada is ruled by Common law instead of Statue law. Sure the government can pass Statue law. But the judges can ignore it if they decide to when it comes to their decisions, and that can run all the way to the supreme court. It has before, it will again.

      Only one government in all of Canada has ever used "Not withstanding" to push something on people, and that was Quebec with the language laws.

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    29. Re:Comparisons??? by AikonMGB · · Score: 2, Informative

      Right, because no one has ever heard of Rush, The Tragically Hip, Matthew Good, Sum41, Avril Lavigne, Alanis Morisette, Celine Dion, Paul Anka, Bryan Adams, Great Big Sea, Spirit of the West, Steppenwolf, The Arrogant Worms, David Usher/Moist, Neil Young, Raine Maida/Our Lady Peace, Barenaked Ladies, Bif Naked, Three Days Grace, Sloan, The Tea Party, Crash Test Dummies, Howard Shore, Death From Above, Alexisonfire, The New Pornographers, Arcade Fire, Nickelback, Danko Jones, Finger Eleven, Crystal Castles, The Guess Who, [...]

      There is an abundance of good Canadian music (not that I am endorsing all of the artists/bands above, nor that I appreciate all of their music), and we shouldn't need a law to have them be a significant portion of the broadcast material. Sadly, most radio stations prefer to draw as much as possible from the US because there is more money in it. But greed is a problem with radio in general, not with Canadian radio.

      Aikon-

    30. Re:Comparisons??? by ImOnlySleeping · · Score: 1

      Not to mention the massive selling records of Shania Twain, Celine Dion & Alanis Morrisette (over 30 million people that aren't me bought at least one of their albums).

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    31. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "enlightened" is subjective, not objective. Facts please.

      For example, I could say that Canadians are more "oppressed." Due to higher taxation. ... at least today. After our new politicians are done, that may not be true.

      Don't get me wrong, there are many things to love about Canada and the Canadian people. There are many things to love about those from the USA too. Of course, neither country/people are perfect. Just look at the French-Canadians and their nastiness towards English speakers.

    32. Re:Comparisons??? by Mordaximus · · Score: 2, Interesting
      but Canadian music is... Well, usually pretty awful.

      You're joking, right, AC? There are as many good artists in Canada (i'd argue more) as there are in the US. However, they aren't as buried in the quagmire of cookie cutter RIAA crap and American Idol rejects as the really good US artists are. But, you wouldn't know that listening to Rick Dee's weekly top 40, would you?

      I won't bother naming names, since tastes vary, but I don't count Celine Dion or Nickelback in the mix.

    33. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "but Canadian music is... Well, usually pretty awful"

      Pffft, like the pre-manufactured garbage from the the rest of the world is good. Like theworld needs more Brittney Spears, and Milli Vanilli, Janet Jackson and all that sing in studio's over their digitally corected voice processors.

      Give me Rush, Kim Mitchel, Tragically Hip and heck I'll even take Stompin Tom and Celine. I hate her music but at least she can sing.

    34. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you DARE joke about toxic poutine.

    35. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's legal for Canadians to download music from the Internet, but not to upload it.

      See this section of Canada's Copyright Act : Copying for private use

    36. Re:Comparisons??? by xelah · · Score: 1

      On a happier note, the Canadian RIAA pushed for those stupid levees on our CDs to compensate for piracy.

      Surely you mean to stop the flood of piracy? Or, perhaps, hold back the tide of piracy?

    37. Re:Comparisons??? by Ramchak · · Score: 1

      I think that is why he qualified his list with "Bands you may like" :)

    38. Re:Comparisons??? by cagrin · · Score: 1

      I am generally pretty happy with the laws here in Canada, but there are a few things that make you wonder what kind of clowns are running this country.

      This movie gives an idea what kind of "clowns" are running the country, Endgame - Blueprint for Global Enslavement, by Alex Jones.

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    39. Re:Comparisons??? by Dragonslicer · · Score: 1

      Thank you for the explanation. There is some speculation that the US is going to end up with something like that as well, the Fairness Doctrine.

      So there are people that think that there isn't enough American-made content on television? My experience is obviously limited, but other than the occasional Canadian or British comedy show, pretty much everything I've seen on television is American.

    40. Re:Comparisons??? by barkingcorndog · · Score: 1

      I can't believe nobody mentioned Skinny Puppy.

      --
      "I know together we'll make the possible totally impossible" - Homme
    41. Re:Comparisons??? by Dixie_Flatline · · Score: 1

      AND both the US and Canada have jurisdictions (Quebec and Louisiana, I believe) that work off the French code, which ISN'T a common law system. Such a serious pain.

    42. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'll take my taxes and services any day. I could move elsewhere if I really felt that was a problem. Silly libertarian ideals don't apply to everyone, you know. Its almost like a high level blasphemy to say it around here, but sometimes the government is the best group to deliver a service.

    43. Re:Comparisons??? by inhuman_4 · · Score: 1

      Yes, the deluge of .torrents, has reached epic proportions!

      Sadly, my spell check only works on words and not meanings. :(

    44. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Asshole, you don't even fucking know how many of your oh-so-worshipped movie and music stars are Canadians or were born Canadian and simply hopped south to bring Canada some money from American pockets. And since there are more awful American musicians than there are total Canadian musicians, which country's music, on average, is worse? Clue for Americans: Not Canada's.

      PS. Fuck you

    45. Re:Comparisons??? by dakohli · · Score: 1

      How about The Tragically Hip?, wait a sec, we will keep them and you can have Celine. Please!

    46. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Syracuse is in Maine, no?

    47. Re:Comparisons??? by dryeo · · Score: 1

      I always thought that statute law overrode common law and would like to see some evidence that says different.
      And the not withstanding clause has been used by Saskatchewan to break a strike and Alberta to symbolically define marriage as heterosexual. (Marriage is federal)
      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Canadian_Charter_of_Rights_and_Freedoms about 1/4 of the way down.

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    48. Re:Comparisons??? by Mashiki · · Score: 1

      Statue law never overrides common law, in so as much that common law never overrides statue law. If the courts decide not to apply a law, then it doesn't get applied. It doesn't matter what the government says. If the courts decide they don't want to apply it to sentencing then it doesn't happen.

      If the courts decide that they want to change the wording of a statue. They simply work around by creating new common laws(via case law), in order to change the law. And, if it goes on and on, then it moves to appeal courts who further interpret the statues, and further modify the law by creating new case laws, and making this binding on the provincial courts. Unless it's the supreme court.

      There you go, a brief introduction of how the legal system of Canada works.

      So really, the only province that has actually used 'not withstanding' has been Quebec. Thought so.

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    49. Re:Comparisons??? by pxc · · Score: 1

      Hint: he informed us about what Canadian content laws are.

    50. Re:Comparisons??? by Foobar+of+Borg · · Score: 1

      I've heard the Michael Jackson album. Are you sure?

      Well, that's one of those bizarre little coincidences. He named his album and song "Bad" to mean "Really good" even though it was actually "shitty". One of the few actual examples of irony. Of course, the fact that he is now a pedophile is purely a coincidence :-).

    51. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Clicked on your wiki link and it states that the hate speech claim by the Canadian Islamic Congress (call the waaaaambulance) were either dismissed or not heard by four different provincial/federal tribunals.

    52. Re:Comparisons??? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He's not stuck in the 80s; The 80s reached Canada just this year!

      -- Canadian

  4. This just in! by Skyppey · · Score: 1, Funny

    Swine flu first came to US through Canadian border.

    1. Re:This just in! by JymmyZ · · Score: 1

      Was it carried by those terrorists we let in to fly planes into those buildings? ;)

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    2. Re:This just in! by DirtyCanuck · · Score: 1

      That fell at the speed of gravity uniformly.

    3. Re:This just in! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Luckily our air force stopped the 'rogue' pilot who stole air force one from flying it near the brooklyn bridge!

      Somehow Mr Obama didn't know that HIS plane was stolen...no one in the whitehouse knew!!

      It's fucking Air Force One! It's the single most important plane in America.

  5. They're not even a real country anyways by Weedhopper · · Score: 5, Funny

    With all their beady little eyes
    And flapping heads so full of lies

    Watch out, here comes the RIAA. Maybe I should have posted this from Canada.

    1. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by skine · · Score: 5, Funny

      Dear Mr/Ms Weedhopper,

      It is the duty of the RIAA to protect the intellectual works of Atlantic Records, Trey Parker and Matt Stone. You have violated the copyright of the track "Blame Canada" off of the album "South Park: Bigger, Longer and Uncut," specifically using the following lines:

      "With all their beady little eyes
      And flapping heads so full of lies"

      This usage does NOT fall under fair use, and thus you will be prosecuted to the fullest extent the law allows, including financial compensation for lost revenue do to your illegal use of said content.

      Agent Skine
      RIAA

    2. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by angelwolf71885 · · Score: 0

      BLAME CANADA!!!

    3. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by kingcobra0128 · · Score: 1

      The RIAA needs to get with the times and I am not talking the 1800s when the laws were made .

    4. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by Ardaen · · Score: 1

      So how does that American DMCA law work again? I send an email and anything I dislike gets removed without annoying questions or due process right?

      So can I send in a DMCA takedown against USTR's press release and get it removed from their webpage? Or do I have to find some upstream provider to send it to that will disconnect the entire USTR site without questioning the validity of my takedown notice?

    5. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by Weedhopper · · Score: 0, Redundant

      BLAME CANADA!!!

    6. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by value_added · · Score: 2, Funny

      Dear Agent Skine,

      We apologise for allowing one of our users to quote the following lines of copyrighted content:

              With all their beady little eyes
              And flapping heads so full of lies

      Those responsible have been sacked.

      Sincerely,
      The Editor

    7. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Dear Agent Skine,

      We apologise for allowing one of our users to quote the following lines of copyrighted content:

              With all their beady little eyes

              And flapping heads so full of lies

      Those responsible have been sacked.

      Sincerely,
      The Editor

      Those responsible for sacking those who have just been sacked, have been sacked.

      Sincerely,
      The Administrator

    8. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Or bomb the Baldwins and we'll call it even.

    9. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could have at least removed the flour first, you miserable cad!

    10. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

      Except copyright laws were more relaxed in the 1800s.

    11. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by w0mprat · · Score: 1

      You are being redundant.

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    12. Re:They're not even a real country anyways by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm not your buddy, pal.

  6. This is caused by GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Once I went to Canada and found that the inhabitants there were heathens who spoke some sort of Mexican language and insulted my Wife with their leering glances and slouching, bad manners so I shot them to teach them a lesson that AMERICA belongs to GOD and people who fear and believe in GOD, not "canadians" and other taco-eating peoples who came from Mexico or somewhere like that. So it is not surprising at all that these renefgades from our LORD would copy things badly because most of them are illiterate because they can't even read BIBLES since the BIBLE (the greatest and best book ever writted) is in AMERICAN like everybody already should know from CHURCH. So why is Obama not stopping these terroristical Mexicans of the North? Probably because he is some sort of Italian spy, like I always suspectid.

    1. Re:This is caused by GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Q:"Why do 80-90% of those making a decision for Christ fall away from the faith?"
      A:The Church.

    2. Re:This is caused by GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah? Well our head of state is appointed by GOD, yours is elected by gays, lesbians, pot smokers, smelly UNIX longhairs and LIBERALS.

      If any of those groups appeared up here THE QUEEN of CANADA would beat them to death with a guitar.

    3. Re:This is caused by GOD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The "QUEEN" of Canada is from HATEY, where the people are evil heatherns who practice WITCHCRAFT. They don't speak American there, but some incomprehensible devilish dialect of Mexican. She is the illegitimate love child of the queen of ENGLAND, who is a Russo-Italian agent in league with the DEVIL. So stop SLANDERING AMERICA because you hate our FREEDOM and our RITEUSNESS. Why don't you go back where you came from and learn to speak AMERICAN you dirty Canadian interloper and dog-fart smelling dog-headed dog spy?

    4. Re:This is caused by GOD by temcat · · Score: 1

      Jesus doesn't like when people are making decisions for Him.

  7. I hereby eat my words/crow.... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    I hereby denounce all of my posts detrimental to Canada and us annexing them ala Fallout....Really.

    I bow down to my Northern Hockey Stick Wielding Overlords!

    Go Canada! Maple leaves and 'eh! You Hoser!' forever!

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  8. Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Funny

    Dear USA

    We really don't give a flying fuck what you think. Come up here, drink some beer, smoke some pot, chill the hell out and go back home with a little less of that pole stuck up your ass.

    Your friends and Neighbours

    Canada

    P.S. When you guys come for the party can you bring me some white castle, we don't have that shit up here and it looks delicious.

    1. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      I'll promptly FedEx you some White Castle if you send back some pot!!

    2. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      please don't blame us citizens for the spouting of our corporate interest paid off politicians. please don't do anything our government says. we're all being held prisoner here.

    3. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Invade us. We'll greet you with flowers.

    4. Re:Dear USA... by s-orbital · · Score: 2, Funny

      Ok, if you bring me some Tim Hortons. Tim's rocks!

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    5. Re:Dear USA... by jgtg32a · · Score: 1

      Canada's laws aren't, I think, generally more enlightened and less restrictive compared to American law. We have some pretty foreboding hate speech laws in Canada and a significant cross-section of the law is still defined in an unwritten common law; but I suppose if your priorities lie in downloading music, marrying other men or smoking pot we must look like quite the utopia. The scary part about all of this is the comparison to China and Russia. The copyright laws in those countries are pretty far from lenient, they're just almost entirely unenforced. This whole story is another lie from the people who brought you the rather quaint notion that most film piracy comes from Canadians recording movies with camcorders rather than the reality of film pre-release DVDs getting leaked from the MPAA.

      http://news.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1218231&cid=27782975

      I have to say I find this rather amusing.

      But on a more serious note, you've never had White Castle. You poor poor bastard, I'll bring up 3 cases (30/case) this weekend.

    6. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, I'd demand In-N-Out as payment instead, if I were you... but that's just me. I'm American, but I'm with you on the whole poles up the asses thing.

    7. Re:Dear USA... by mako1138 · · Score: 1

      Honestly, White Castle is only good when you're feeling really hungry. The hunger can be real or, er, potentiated.

    8. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Willing to trade Timmy Ho's for some white castle... seems like we all watch too much tv, we really don't need your commercials up here telling us how much cheaper tires and fast food are for you guys... that white castle just looks so tasty late at night

    9. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And White Castle.

    10. Re:Dear USA... by 93,000 · · Score: 1

      Bravo. I'll meet you in Emerson, MB in exactly three hours. You steer the ship from there.

      I'll need you to score me a bag of your ketchup flavored Doritos, just so I can bring them home and prove to my friends that they really do exist. I'll bring you something equally puzzling and obscene from the states, like a monster thickburger from Hardee's.

    11. Re:Dear USA... by thestreetmeat · · Score: 1

      You already have some. I saw a few as I was driving through Michigan, but they don't know what double-doubles are.

    12. Re:Dear USA... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      > they don't know what double-doubles are.

      Not only that, they have dispensed with small cups, renamed medium small, large medium and extra large large.

      What a crazy country!

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      Do daemons dream of electric sleep()?
    13. Re:Dear USA... by multipartmixed · · Score: 1

      > I'll need you to score me a bag of your ketchup flavored Doritos

      I'm pretty sure those have been discontinued.

      But did you know we buy milk in bags instead of plastic jugs?

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    14. Re:Dear USA... by Christian+Henry · · Score: 1
      I know you're joking, but for the unenlightened:

      Tim Hortons has locations in parts of New York State (especially around Buffalo) and (if memory serves) Virginia.

    15. Re:Dear USA... by dysonapr · · Score: 1

      Excellent response. Should probably be put on a big sign at all the border crossings. Maybe leave out the part about "White Castle". That was in bad taste.

    16. Re:Dear USA... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      P.S. When you guys come for the party can you bring me some white castle, we don't have that shit up here and it looks delicious.

      American Lesson #1: "Looks can and WILL deceive you"

      Yes, there is a reason that pole is so far up there. You should have seen the alternative.

  9. Failfacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Wow i didn't know the RIAA and MPAA could lobby the USA to condemn other countries. Have they ever actually bothered to look at themselves instead of being hypocrites telling the rest of the world to do things they themselves are not willing to do.

    Look at the http://geo.keff.org/ pirate bay peer tracker and it's clear America and china are the big peer providers for torrents.

    sorry Canada is a real democracy not a corporate sponsored illusion. We put laws into place that the people want not corporate powers that run other nations to ignorant to new technology and progression. For starters if we here in the great white north had access to hulu i would not need to download many of the shows i miss well at work. Screw the usa and its overkill laws that allow corporations to exploit and extort their own customer base.

    1. Re:Failfacts by stephanruby · · Score: 1

      Wow i didn't know the RIAA and MPAA could lobby the USA to condemn other countries.

      It's called. Do as we say, not as we do.

      For instance, when South Korea passed a law that prevented people under 18 years old from buying cigarettes, which is something the US had already done for decades. The US Congress nailed South Korea to the Wall for it, and retaliated with trade sanctions.

      The same goes for this customs bullshit. The US doesn't try to enforce foreign customs laws on their own soil from people leaving the US. It never did. It never will. For instance, if I pack my briefcase full of US-legal pornography the next time I fly to Saudi Arabia, a US customs official isn't going to care about it.

      And the same goes if I buy untaxed items in a particular American State and cross the border back to my home State. My home State might care, but the State where I made the purchase -- sure isn't going to.

    2. Re:Failfacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Wow i didn't know the RIAA and MPAA could lobby the USA to condemn other countries. Have they ever actually bothered to look at themselves instead of being hypocrites telling the rest of the world to do things they themselves are not willing to do."

      You're serious? They've been able to put such pressure (either directly or indirectly) on other countries that they've had numerous overseas web sites shut down, legal proceedings, foreign police forces raid places, etc on behalf of their rights being violated.

      You really think they have a hard time paying off some domestic government officials?

    3. Re:Failfacts by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Harhar, we're a democracy?

      Ask any MP who dares speak/vote out of line with their party leader on any issue of import, even if their constituents demand it.. you can find them in the 'Independent' seats of Parliament after they get thrown out of the party, or on the street after they lose their seat entirely.

      Or ask anyone who voted Green if their vote was counted (higher % votes than the Conservatives got after Mulroney, yet not a single seat in Ottawa due to stupid first-past-the-post election rules).

      Ask the TV networks why they weren't going to let the Green party, an official party with every bit as much standing as the 'old three' parties, even be on the national debate, until the public outcry finally shamed them into it.

      We have a *lot* of laws that were written by the best lobbyists the corps could buy, just like the US. The parliamentary system is a haven for career politicians and their appointed cronies (mostly older, near-retirement career politicians). We get to put an 'X' on a piece of paper every few years, and they do whatever the hell they want for the time in between.

  10. Again? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    Wasn't this already said two years ago, and then when we looked at who this group was in the USA, it turned to be a 'media rights' group or something like that. Either way, I think Canada may just have a bit more sanity in it copyright laws. When I hear lobby groups who represent the likes of the MPAA and the RIAA, I would rather support Lawrence Lassig.

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  11. They also blame us by future+assassin · · Score: 1

    for letting in the 911 terrorist ............ I paid my dues last time I paid the levy on blank cd's. Thanks... Off I go to legaly download some music.

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    1. Re:They also blame us by quacking+duck · · Score: 5, Insightful

      It was bad enough when the secretary of Homeland Security said last week the 9/11 terrorists came through Canada. To hear John McCain repeat that lie made me very glad he's not your president. Does he also think Iraq was responsible for the attacks too?

      Unbelievable.

    2. Re:They also blame us by Shados · · Score: 2, Informative

      Off I go to legaly download some music.

      Morally OK dowload some music, yes. Legally, not so much. So many people will quote the ruling that stated that because of the levy it was legal to download stuff in Canada...then conveniently forget the result of the next appeal. No ruling ever stated that it was legal, and the laws don't mention anything about it being legal because of that (totally stupid) levy.

      I agree we should either remove that damn levy, or assert that its legal to go on a download spree...but as of today, neither are set.

    3. Re:They also blame us by khallow · · Score: 1

      It's possible that these politicians were given bad information shortly after the 9/11 attacks. It doesn't completely excuse opening one's mouth before checking the facts, but I wouldn't be surprised to find that both Napolitano and McCain got this bad information from the same Bush team shortly after the 9/11 attacks. The federal government certainly would brief Senators and they might have briefed important state officials (Napolitano was Attorney General of Arizona at the time). BUT McCain definitely was shooting from the hip. A five minute check by a staffer would have caught it. Or he could have stated at the time why he felt so certain. Blustering "as you know" on national TV is just idiotic.

    4. Re:They also blame us by twidarkling · · Score: 1

      Well, any half-way decent lawyer would just point to the original point of the levy, which was to reimburse artists for lost royalties from music recorded off the radio. It's completely equivalent to then say that same levy compensates for music downloaded. Hell, if they want a way to track it to make the royalties fairly distributed, make a centralized database, and have Canadians all download from that. But if a judge ever said downloading was illegal, then you'd have 6 groups filing a suit to get the levy removed the next day. It's in the *AA's best interests, at the moment, to keep it ambiguous. Which is why the continual finger-pointing at Canada is such an idiotic idea. The eventual Canadian ruling could be even more damaging than TPB case ever was capable of being.

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    5. Re:They also blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You don't think that perhaps its possible to legally download music because the artists released their music for FREE to and allow you to download their music LEGALLY?

    6. Re:They also blame us by KiwiCanuck · · Score: 1

      Can someone explain this point to me. I still don't get it. In order to get into the US I and anyone else have to go through US CUSTOMS.

    7. Re:They also blame us by djmurdoch · · Score: 1

      Just read the copyright act. It's absolutely clear that it's legal to copy onto CDs (for which you've paid a levy, presumably). It's a little ambiguous about whether it's legal to copy onto other media. The source of the copy is irrelevant.

      Here's the link for you: http://www.cb-cda.gc.ca/info/act-e.html#80

      The ambiguity comes because of the definition of an "audio recording medium" in that paragraph. Look back a few pages and decide for yourself.

    8. Re:They also blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There was also that blackout that affected the whole NE. Thanks a lot for that. We're not buying it when you try to shift the blame to Ohio. Poor innocent Ohio.

    9. Re:They also blame us by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Off I go to legaly download some music.

      Morally OK dowload some music, yes. Legally, not so much.
      [...] No ruling ever stated that it was legal, and the laws don't mention anything about it being legal because of that (totally stupid) levy.

      I agree we should either remove that damn levy, or assert that its legal to go on a download spree...but as of today, neither are set.

      Hmm... if it's not stated elsewhere, then in Canada at least it's generally fair game. Our constitution guarantees certain things must be legal and is largely used to establish a baseline for equality. Our other laws largely focus on things that are illegal because they harm society or individuals. Behaviour that falls in the middle ground may become illegal if there's a law written to do so, however in the meantime it is legal.

      So... do you have a reference for the illegality of downloading music in Canada? Here's a helpful link to Canadian Law.

      Does anybody know which ones pertain to this?

  12. Bad form, but...reply to own... by rts008 · · Score: 1

    You are a far more forgiving people than US[pun intended].
    We can trade you one 'Sheryl Crow' for ...what?

    Okay, throw in Brian Adams, but we are still out producing the crap shit^Hpped out compared to y'all.
    Get with the times dude! 'Pump up the Volume'/Shite, man!!
    *apply sarcasm filter heavily above*

    BTW, I am not anti-Canadian, I was just unduly influenced by the 'Fallout' series, and 'Strange Brew'.

    This is why I broke /. protocol to reply to my own post.

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  13. Tit for tat by quacking+duck · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I've said it before: The US government and the IP lobbying groups can go frak themselves ten ways to Sunday on this issue.

    In the softwood lumber dispute the US not only flipped the bird at Canada, but refused to accept several judgments against them by the WTO and NAFTA.

    If you don't respect international laws and rulings against you, don't expect others to respect the lopsided laws you're trying to force down the throats of more free-thinking countries.

    (Sadly, they've come to expect no less; in the end, the newly-elected Conservative government rolled over on the softwood issue, gave the ball to the US, and begged for more. Yes, I'm just as disgusted at the pansies who sold us out)

    1. Re:Tit for tat by radtea · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If you don't respect international laws and rulings against you, don't expect others to respect the lopsided laws you're trying to force down the throats of more free-thinking countries.

      Rogue states like the US need to be reigned in. The US government has consistently violated international norms for decades, particularly with regards to bizarre claims of extra-territoriality, which basically means Americans think that they can legally apply their wacko laws to everyone everywhere.

      Unfortunately, although once a great trading republic, the United States is now a military empire, financed by debt and spiralling into oblivion. Americans will be hurt by their fall more than anyone else, but the rest of the world really needs to start paying attention and thinking about how to deal with a post-American planet.

      One of the things we need to do is bring home to Americans as clearly as possible that we don't care about their parochial laws. Canada is in full compliance with all relevant international treaties on copyright, and any extraneous conditions that the Americans would like to impose on us are irrelevant. We are an independent nation, and don't react well to being told what we ought to do by our bankrupt southern neighbours.

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    2. Re:Tit for tat by drinkypoo · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Unfortunately, although once a great trading republic, the United States is now a military empire,

      WRONG. THe USA has pretty much always been a military empire. Many of our nation's first military actions were to go bomb some town south of our borders to force them to sell to United Fruit Company, which became Chiquita, which became Bonita — and which is still up to illegal tricks to keep their stranglehold on the banana industry in particular.

      We are an independent nation, and don't react well to being told what we ought to do by our bankrupt southern neighbours.

      You seem to do as you're told the majority of the time.

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    3. Re:Tit for tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You're correct about lobby groups being over represented in law, but you're wrong about endorsing the "authority" of undemocratic "world" organisations such as the WTO and NAFTA. At least you can vote in your country.

    4. Re:Tit for tat by syousef · · Score: 4, Funny

      I've said it before: The US government and the IP lobbying groups can go frak themselves ten ways to Sunday on this issue.

      Please cease and desist from using the word 'frak' as it is under copyright. Hang on I just used it. Oh....frak! Now Australia will be added to the list of "baaaaad" countries.

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    5. Re:Tit for tat by JakartaDean · · Score: 1

      In the softwood lumber dispute the US not only flipped the bird at Canada, but refused to accept several judgments against them by the WTO and NAFTA.

      I'd love to see that, the PM standing up in Question Period and going on the record as saying Canada will pass a new copyright law after an amount of time equal to the time America ignored numerous rulings by tribunals and courts on the softwood lumber issue. Followed, hopefully, "Take that, bitch!"

      As an aside, I'm a Canadian, I've lived in Canada for 29 years and Indonesia for the last 17. As far as I know, it's not possible in Toronto to walk down to the mall and drop 75 cents on the latest Hollywood DVD. I can get an 11-DVD television series for less than 8 dollars here. It's very hard to actually buy software here, it's so widely pirated. Microsoft et al know this, and talk about enforcement, etc but they know that if people had to pay then Linux would have a much bigger share of the PC base, to their long-term detriment.

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    6. Re:Tit for tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The US government has consistently violated international norms for decades, particularly with regards to bizarre claims of extra-territoriality, which basically means Americans think that they can legally apply their wacko laws to everyone everywhere.

      Canada and many other countries apply their laws outside the country. If you go overseas and have sex with a minor, you can be charged, convicted & jailed in Canada.

    7. Re:Tit for tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'd love to know what the USA does about those people 18-21 who've been to England and drunk alcohol, which is perfectly legal for that age to drink here - are they arrested on return to the USA for underage drinking.

      Also, does any American who has legally drunk alcohol in that country expect to be arrested on entry to Saudi Arabia, where it is totally illegal to drink alcohol?

    8. Re:Tit for tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      -1:Troll && -1:Flamebait != -1:StronglyDisagreeAndWishToCensor. Look up the definition of flame/troll.

      Sorry to be a jerk but... Your sig, it doesn't mean what you think it means. Would be better written as:
      (-1:Troll || -1:Flamebait) != -1:StronglyDisagreeAndWishToCensor. Look up the definition of flame/troll.

      And actually, I'm not sorry. I enjoy this.

    9. Re:Tit for tat by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 2, Insightful

      You mean Canadian citizens are expected to obey Canadian laws even when not in Canada? Shocked, I am. It's almost as if the laws are a reflection of what is considered acceptable behaviour by the members of a society and those members are expected to maintain those standards at all times. Crazy talk, I say.

    10. Re:Tit for tat by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      We are an independent nation, and don't react well to being told what we ought to do by our bankrupt southern neighbours.

      You seem to do as you're told the majority of the time.

      With 80% of our exports going to the US of A, that's what I call being cough by the balls. We will be more than happy to comply to any demand, as long as it will not prevent the party of getting re-elected.

    11. Re:Tit for tat by ahankinson · · Score: 2, Funny

      I first read this as "...ten ways to Sudbury..." I like that better.

    12. Re:Tit for tat by cagrin · · Score: 1

      The people of the United States are the number one enemy of the globalists, largely because of the 2nd amendment (right to bear arms)...though they are not the only ones gradually losing their sovereignty, see: Endgame - Blueprint for Global Enslavement for starters.

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    13. Re:Tit for tat by cagrin · · Score: 1

      One of the books which touches on this subject, Confessions of an Economic Hitman, by John Perkins.

      You seem to do as you're told the majority of the time.

      We've been gradually losing our sovereignty for many decades now, the most famous instance is probably the killing of the Avero Aero project at the behest of the american military.

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    14. Re:Tit for tat by quacking+duck · · Score: 1

      Except the countries in question, in becoming members of the WTO and NAFTA, agreed to abide by rulings made by whatever judicial panels those organizations set up.

      I have some issue when those international bodies rule against private industry in a country, but in this case the rulings were against the government agencies responsible for imposing tariffs on Canadian lumber companies.

    15. Re:Tit for tat by syousef · · Score: 1

      Do you have any idea how many people try to come up with a better way to write my sig?

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  14. Actually... by DJGrahamJ · · Score: 5, Funny

    does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis

    Actually, it's because we don't give a fuck.

    1. Re:Actually... by Tuoqui · · Score: 3, Funny

      It's called diplomacy. You tell them we don't give a fuck in some nice flowery words.

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    2. Re:Actually... by rdnetto · · Score: 1

      Diplomacy- telling someone to go to hell in such a way that they actually look forward to it.

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    3. Re:Actually... by julesh · · Score: 1

      "does not recognize the Special 301 process due to its lacking of reliable and objective analysis"

      Actually, it's because we don't give a fuck.

      Allow me translate the government-speak for you: "lacking of reliable and objective analysis" == "being full of bullshit". Does that help?

    4. Re:Actually... by Sique · · Score: 1

      This is actually called "salesmanship".

      Diplomacy is telling someone to go to hell in such a way, that they don't reply in a way they would like to because that would look like an overreaction.

      The core of Diplomacy is that both sides know what the other side actually meant, but it sounds like flowers to everyone else.

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    5. Re:Actually... by DJGrahamJ · · Score: 1

      lol I've never been one for diplomacy, does it show? :D

    6. Re:Actually... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Let's see... /ignore

    7. Re:Actually... by b4dc0d3r · · Score: 1

      Dearest Tuoqui,

      I'm having my people analyze your input and craft an appropriate response. Please allow some time as we wish to be thorough. I cannot give you an accurate estimate as to when you might expect it at this time, but wish to leave the lines of communication open on this topic.

      Sincerely,
      b4dc0d3r

  15. Great by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Copyright is too strong in the USA. Anywhere that they say is "lax", must be better then the USA at it.

    It was supposed to last just long enough so that inventors and artists could make enough money for their next work. Not an ever lasting deal as is what we get with the copyrights being extend again and again.

  16. Bah by Kabuthunk · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The sad part is that now that we've been 'called out', so to speak, Canada will inevitably bend to the will of the USA and change it's laws to be just as draconian, if not moreso.

    Well... Canada's basically the 51st state anyway.

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    1. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Quite a big-ass state. Kinda like California... except with Schwarzenegger's steroids.

    2. Re:Bah by BrunoBigfoot · · Score: 2, Interesting

      We've been 'called out' several times. Legislation has been drafted similar to the US and has caused an uproar every time, causing it to be delayed/withdrawn. It looks to me like a show for the Americans to keep them 'happy,' as it were. Just enough to tell them, "we're trying." As long as they keep trying to pass these laws, we'll keep kicking up didos.

    3. Re:Bah by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      As a nice extra touch, the poor sucker who introduces the bill has had a tendency to lose his or her job.

    4. Re:Bah by Runefox · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yeah, this is what I thought when I first heard about this earlier today. If ever there were a "big reason" to back the draconian ACTA, international "condemnation" is it. This'll probably let them lobby for and push it through without much, if any, opposition.

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    5. Re:Bah by Kabuthunk · · Score: 0, Offtopic

      And as an added bonus, I get modded flamebait for thinking Canada will bend to the USA. Because y'know, that's never happened before :P

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    6. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      And as an added bonus, I get modded flamebait for thinking Canada will bend to the USA. Because y'know, that's never happened before :P

      Yeah, I'm sure it was that - stating an opinion of what a political outcome could be - that got you modded Flamebait and not the whole 51st state comment.

    7. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you stupid? The US lambastes Canada for it's copyright laws *all the time*. They've been issuing these sorts of condemnations for well over a decade at least. The Canadian government hasn't done anything beyond lip service yet (no, not even the Conservatives), why would you think they would do anything this time?

    8. Re:Bah by totally+bogus+dude · · Score: 1

      Yeah, what a douche. Everyone knows Australia is the 51st state. Sheesh.

    9. Re:Bah by Locklin · · Score: 1

      Like Jim Prentice?? I wouldn't call a becoming Minister of the Environment loosing one's job. Cabinet shuffles happen regularly.

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    10. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well to that I would like to say.

      Va chier tabarnak de trou de cul!

    11. Re:Bah by ceoyoyo · · Score: 1

      He's the last one. As I recall the two before him were booted out of cabinet entirely.

      PS: it's "losing."

    12. Re:Bah by He+who+knows · · Score: 1

      please take 51st state 'privilege' away from the UK. We don't want it you are welcome to it.

    13. Re:Bah by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well... Canada's basically the 51st state anyway.

      ...I thought the lapdogs were Oz 51, Canada 52, UK 53

  17. Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as- by sam0737 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    It says Canadian copyright laws are as bad as China and Russia.

    What it didn't say is that - US copyright laws are even worse.

  18. Re:FUCK YOU. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As a US citizen who has never left the US, even for vacation, this is not flamebait. The US needs to relax its copyright laws as soon as possible.

  19. You cannot see by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    There are WAY more important laws

    On the contrary, I would submit that copyright laws are among the most significant in shaping the world as we know it. Copyright laws are not about entertainment, but rather, about thought control.

    As a species we are standing on a crossroads never before faced by any species on the planet.

    I argue that the single most significant contributor to our supremacy over this planet is our capacity for meme-exchange. We have taken mammalian peer-learning to an unprecedented level. The fact that every member of our species frequently expends great energy in the singular business of meme-aquisition, and that we spend just as much energy in the business of meme-distribution, serves as a testament to its survival-utility and evolutionary effectiveness.

    Are we to embrace this freedom, allow the currents of information to flow unrestrained, and see where our exponentially-increasing rate of technological evolution (which, from a more metaphysical perspective, is not so different from our genetic evolution) takes us?

    Or are we, on the other hand, going to lock ourselves down and block this flow, all in the name of preserving the economic prosperity of a select few?

    Is our future one of wild change and uncertainty, or one of regularity and control?

    Information is the currency with which we purchase our spiritual destiny. Copyright law is a manifestation of how we are spending that currency.

    I may be a religious nut, but you, sir, are completely blind.

    1. Re:You cannot see by Firehed · · Score: 1

      I argue that the single most significant contributor to our supremacy over this planet is our capacity for meme-exchange.

      Please! There's no need to drag Soviet Russia and the lolcats into this.

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    2. Re:You cannot see by Plunky · · Score: 1, Offtopic

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      In Soviet Russia, I drag myself in!

    3. Re:You cannot see by malkavian · · Score: 1

      Interesting, and very long term view on it.
      Which puts the *IAA very firmly in the role of "Robber Barons" (after all, things are heading the way of a corporate feudalism, with a thin veneer of democracy put over the top; vote for who you want, but the corporations will tell them what to do).
      The thing that gets me most about the current fight on Copyright is that people who copy are accused of theft. Really, that is just "Copyright Infringement", as it deprives nobody of the original. Now, the *IAA continually lobby for increases in copyright period. This takes away content from the public domain, which we all own.
      As this is actually depriving people of what should be theirs (the time period in which content should belong to them), this is actually theft. State sponsored, but the effect is the same. It deprives everybody of their right to the content in a reasonable period of time.
      For those sparky lawyers and executives who rub their hands at the word "limited" in copyright, I'll happily set them on a trip on a wonderful mountain road, and let them know it's ok; The brakes have been tuned to stop the car in a "limited distance".

    4. Re:You cannot see by spanky+the+monk · · Score: 1

      Nice "big picture" perspective on things. You really got to the fundamental point here. p.s. I agree.

  20. No wonder..I am not suprised at all. by bogaboga · · Score: 3, Informative

    The [mighty] USA will always complain about her neighbor to the north (Canada). Heck, there is even a prominent politician who said the 9/11 terrorists came from Canada! Imagine that.

    This politician had presidential ambitions I must add.

    Then there are those who criticize its health care system although Canadians generally love what they have and in fact, live as long as Americans on average.

    It's a strange world.

    1. Re:No wonder..I am not suprised at all. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

      ... in fact, live as long as Americans on average.

      It's a strange world.

      Sorry, we actually live longer - about 2 years longer on average. It's the cold - slows you down, you know

  21. I live in Canada by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful
    and as far as I'm concerned,
    (amenglish)
    Y'all can ken go fuck yerselves, ya morans.
    (/amenglish)

    Canada is the only place I know of where 100 CDRs costs more than 100 DVD-Rs...

    We pay EVERY FUCKING DAY massive extra money to the American Ideological State Apparatus and Canadian native culture is pressured into virtual non-existence thanks to the Hollywood/TV juggernaut.

    Our only consolation is we have all the water and oil, and the last time you invaded Canada, we kicked your ass.

    Please, please, please, we pray that your empire dies so we can sell our resources to the highest bidder and not to you thanks to NAFTA.

    RS

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    1. Re:I live in Canada by neoform · · Score: 1

      Dang, that's pretty cold.. oh yeah, this is Canada..

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    2. Re:I live in Canada by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Interesting notes:
      * Nobody in the U.S. writes "ken" or says "morans". Sure, it's pronounced "ken" and sometimes written "moran", but your statement makes no sense written or spoken.
      * "Can ken" is, it seems, duplicating a word?
      * Your money goes to our churches and education system? Really?
      * It's hardly our fault that Hollywood is popular in Canada.

    3. Re:I live in Canada by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Our only consolation is we have all the water and oil, and the last time you invaded Canada, we kicked your ass.

      I am neither British nor American nor Canadian. But I do know that in the war of 1812 the US was fighting the British Empire, not Canadians. A good majority of the troops came from England. Secondly, both armies invaded each others' territories and were repelled. Thirdly, the war ended because BOTH SIDES had no reason left to fight (it was indirectly caused by the Napoleonic wars and directly by the British impressment of US sailors among other things).

      Honestly, it pisses me off when Canadians and USians carry on about the war of 1812, and never seem to know what the fuck they are talking about.

      And the way Canadians go on about how much better they are than Americans also pisses me off, from an outside perspective, one can barely tell the difference.

      Thank you.

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    4. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You also forgot about electricity and you never mentions natural gas, but that is apart of oil. I say we should shut off the taps for a couple days â¦

    5. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Jeeze what the hell man, we elected a socialist so you guys would stop hatin' on us. Time to chill out... you canucks are supposed to be easy goin'.

    6. Re:I live in Canada by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 4, Insightful
      But I do know that in the war of 1812 the US was fighting the British Empire, not Canadians.

      And Canada was what? Oh that's right: a Colony of Britain. So, by definition, there were no "canadians" to begin with. However, Canadians have always been distinct from the UK and the USA. So, you're wrong both ways.

      A good majority of the troops came from England.

      See above.

      Secondly, both armies invaded each others' territories and were repelled.

      Which invasion? The USA rebels invaded Canada in 1775, and again, got their butts kicked.

      Thirdly, the war ended because BOTH SIDES had no reason left to fight (it was indirectly caused by the Napoleonic wars and directly by the British impressment of US sailors among other things).

      Again, which war? Oh, that's right - the USA invaded Canada MORE THAN ONCE. And you wonder why no one trusts Americans? Invade Canada. Twice. Get asses kicked twice. Practice genocide on abouriginals and constantly lie and betray treaty obligations. Destroy Mexico. trump up a war with Spain to expand the American Empire (the USA has been an imperial force for over 100 years). Iran, guatemala, El Salvador, nicaragua, Cuba, Phillipines, Israel, etc. etc. etc. It's a long and murderous list.

      Canada has PLENTY of problems and PLENTY of its own set of evils, but nothing compared to the USA.

      You are wrong on every count. Next.

      rS

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    7. Re:I live in Canada by failedlogic · · Score: 1

      The cold has an effect on freezes our memory and train of thought. The parent poster much have been in a cold-snap.

      Since Wikipedia is shunned as a reference source by some and we have no other reference material available (see following sentences) we Canadians - yes, I speak for us all, have no clue whatsoever what happened in the war of 1812. Our climate really stops us from gaining any knowledge. Any reference we have is either buried in snow, the pages are frozen shut or our libraries are usually under 20 feet of snow - they will be using my local library as a bonfire shortly to warm up the place. Don't worry, they are already accepting donations.

    8. Re:I live in Canada by houghi · · Score: 1

      Canadian native culture is pressured into virtual non-existence thanks to the Hollywood/TV juggernaut.

      I agree, but sending them Celine Dion is cruel and unusual punishment.

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    9. Re:I live in Canada by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Jeeze what the hell man, we elected a socialist so you guys would stop hatin' on us.

      Presumably you're Icelandic, as Iceland's the most recent country I know of to have elected somebody from a political party somebody could conceive of labeling as "socialist".; you're certainly not from the US, unless you're completely insane, as nobody sane from the US would assert that the US had recently elected a socialist (the last time I know of that a socialist was elected in the US was back in 2006).

    10. Re:I live in Canada by cjfs · · Score: 1

      Our only consolation is we have all the water and oil, and the last time you invaded Canada, we kicked your ass.

      That was a long time ago. Our army was in much better shape then. Now he's really let himself go and probably wouldn't make it to the border without having a heart attack.

    11. Re:I live in Canada by iNaya · · Score: 1

      1775 - War of Independence. Canada did not exist as a nation. The Brits got kicked up the backside repeatedly - they lost the entire United States - oh yay! They didn't lose Canada!!! VICTORY!!!.

      Phillipines has nothing to do with Canada - and yes, that was a very unjust war, but both invasions of Canada were quite justified - they were at war with the British Empire. Oh, and the Canadians treated their Aboriginals with the utmost respect (sarcasm).

      The Canadians didn't participate in the Boer War, didn't burn and salt the land, and didn't put blacks and Afrikaans people in internment camps. Oh no, of course not.

      The Canadians also didn't participate in World War I - a pointless war, on no, of course not! They also didn't fight in Vietnam, no they're too perfect for that.

      The U.S.A has done more stuff because it is bigger. It's not really worse than Canada, and Canada has NEVER kicked US arse, and US has never kicked Canada's arse. Any conflicts in the land of what is now the nation of Canada was a conflict with the British EMPIRE - which was bigger, and conquered more people than the U.S. ever did. So you could say, at that time, Canada was part of a bigger evil.

      I hold no grudge against Canadians, or USians, or British. Atrocities have been committed by many countries. But trying to say that YOUR country is better than another while twisting history, is just plain idiotic.

      You don't need to twist history to show that your country is better. Your country isn't better, well the people aren't anyway. You may currently have better policies, laws, etc. but that doesn't make you any better. Not better than Iran, not better than North Korea, not better than Israel, nor Saudi Arabia.

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    12. Re:I live in Canada by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

      as nobody sane from the US would assert that the US had recently elected a socialist

      I was going to make a point of certain Republicans asserting that, then I thought a little and remembered you said "as nobody sane", and reckon you make a fair point.

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    13. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe its time we burned down the white house again, that would make better news than this BS.

    14. Re:I live in Canada by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
      Dear stupid person.

      Who is the head of state in Canada, at this very moment, 1 MAY 2009? did you guess Stephen Harper? Because if you did, you would be wrong. The head of state in Canada is none other than Queen Elizabeth the Second.

      Canada is not a colony, but it isn't really independent either. Heck, Canada didn't even have a real flag until 1965.

      and before you go lecturing me on history, I would like to note that Canada DID NOT fight in Viet Nam Canada except for small number of troops in 1973 to help enforce the Paris Peace Accords.

      So, kindly get a clue. Is Canada "better" than the USA? IMHO, yes. Not a lot. But a little is enough.

      RS

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    15. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Didn't participate in World War I? Get a clue. We were in it from Day One. Look up the battles of Passhendaele and Vimy Ridge.

      I suppose you probably think we didn't fight in WWII either... Yep, we certainly didn't have a beach and a half on D-Day(of the 5)... Sure... And the one that exclusively under Canadian command didn't capture the most ground on the first day and in the first week... Yep, that's a terrible, terrible myth...

    16. Re:I live in Canada by iNaya · · Score: 1

      Who is the head of state in Canada, at this very moment, 1 MAY 2009? did you guess Stephen Harper? Because if you did, you would be wrong. The head of state in Canada is none other than Queen Elizabeth the Second.

      Queen Elizabeth is the head of state only by name. She doesn't even hold much weight in the UK itself these days. Canada is essentially independent. Do they have to do ANYTHING the UK commands them to do?

      and before you go lecturing me on history, I would like to note that Canada DID NOT fight in Viet Nam Canada except for small number of troops in 1973 to help enforce the Paris Peace Accords.

      Point taken. I was wrong.

      So, kindly get a clue. Is Canada "better" than the USA? IMHO, yes. Not a lot. But a little is enough.

      I hold to my opinion that no country is better than another.

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    17. Re:I live in Canada by Ralph+Spoilsport · · Score: 1
      Queen Elizabeth is the head of state only by name. She doesn't even hold much weight in the UK itself these days. Canada is essentially independent. Do they have to do ANYTHING the UK commands them to do?

      Obviously, you haven't been paying attention to Canadian politics for the past 6 months, otherwise you would have known that Canada had no government for almost 2 months, because the Queen's representative, the Governor General, agreed with Harper to prorogate Parliament, effectively leaving Canada with no deliberative government. And if you think she didn't talk to the Palace and 10 downing street, you're very naive.

      So, let's see, the Queens representative basically said through her actions, "Oh, you don't need a Parliament IN THE MIDDLE OF ONE OF THE BIGGEST ECONOMIC MELTDOWN IN HUMAN HISTORY. It's much more important for Harper to stay in power. So, you silly persons in Parliament - you can just go home until Jan 20 and by the way, we're clearing the legislative slate, so you will have to start over."

      So, YES, the UK has a lot to say about Canadian government. Imagine if the Queen's representative said to the US gov., "Oh, Congress is being silly. So we'll just tell them to go on vacation and when they get back, they'll have to redo everything."

      You don't know what you're talking about, you make false statements, and you're just pulling it out of your ass. Go away.

      RS

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    18. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      redneck detected

    19. Re:I live in Canada by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And the way Canadians go on about how much better they are than Americans also pisses me off, from an outside perspective, one can barely tell the difference.

      As a Canadian: Yeah we know. and that pisses us off to no end, which is why the former. I don't know if it's better per-se, I've not thought about it enough I suppose, but I believe it's better. However, even that belief could be swayed by valid argument. Besides, it's fun knocking Americans. We also spend a great deal of time knocking ourselves. Why do you think it's called Ca-na-DUH.

  22. Re:Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ah, as bad as Nazi Germany.

    There. Discussion's over. (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Godwins_law)

  23. Re:Here is how I understand the summary, as bad as by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    From TFA, "Canada now joins a group of countries designated as being especially lax in protecting intellectual property, including Algeria, China, Russia, Pakistan, Indonesia and Venezuela". So it means "bad for corporations", not "bad for citizens".

  24. What's in it for us? by Argumentator · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Even if we, for the sake of the argument, ignore the practical and ethical issues of current copyright laws as a matter of principle, and buy the argument that infringing copyright hurts the producers and not just the pockets of *AA execs, still, the fact remains that Canada (as well as China, Russia, and the rest of the world) is under huge influx of American corporations, who profit from out-of-border sales while not offering jobs in foreign countries, paying anywhere near the taxes they pay at the states, contribute to foreign producers or foreign culture in general, or otherwise benefit foreign countries in proportion to the profits they make, or seek to make, from them.

    Reciprocal treaties, aka "you respect my copyright, I'll respect yours", really are not appealing to foreign governments because the US, by far, exports more of what they call Intellectual Property than other countries export to the states. So pray tell us, if you want our governments to spend our own taxpayers money to enforce your copyright laws so that YOUR companies can make a profit... What's in it for us?

  25. Re:As a fellow Canadian ... by Firehed · · Score: 4, Funny

    "First Post", "Frosty Piss", and similar derivations thereof are registered copyright of Anonymous Coward. Were it not for your lax copyright laws in Canada, we'd be sending our lawyers. Expect political intrusion followed by a retroactive DMCA takedown notice, and enjoy your Friday.

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  26. The actual issue... by syncrotic · · Score: 1

    What they're actually sore about is that the Canadian legal system isn't open to the same loophole that allows the RIAA to sue file sharers: you can't sue anonymous users, use subpeonas to get their real names, drop the original lawsuits, and then file new ones with the learned identities. I don't know enough about the legal system to know why that doesn't work, but sure enough, there haven't been any lawsuits against individual filesharers here.

    In the absence of that, they'd like laws that force ISPs to store and then divulge user info. This is a politically unpopular proposal that doesn't win a minority government any support, so it keeps getting killed. Sorry, but this is what a government looks like when you have more than two parties: minority governments have to form fragile coalitions that actually listen to their constituents sometimes.

    1. Re:The actual issue... by blueg3 · · Score: 1

      Well, depending on who you ask, it's not legal in the U.S., either. They happen to get away with it for now, and at some point in the future, we'll find out if it's legal or not.

    2. Re:The actual issue... by compro01 · · Score: 1

      Another point is that their usual "Settle out of court for $X or we will bankrupt you in legal fees trying to fight it, even though your case may repel high velocity lead" tactic won't work here due to the loser-pays (aka English Rule) system.

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    3. Re:The actual issue... by tinkerghost · · Score: 1

      The district court in Texas told them to stuff it a while ago. That's one of the reasons they dropped their latest suit in Texas - they pulled the same enjoinder crap again & got called on it.

  27. Typical Government Extremist Reaction by rossz · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Pot is as dangerous as heroin.
    Ex-GIs might be terrorists.
    Canada is as bad as the commies.

    Is it any wonder we tend to not believe anything our government says?

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  28. In Canada we pay a levy on all blank media... by JoshDmetro · · Score: 0

    doesn't matter what we do with it but just in case someone copies something they shouldn't everyone pays. Here let this guy explain.

    1. Re:In Canada we pay a levy on all blank media... by dryeo · · Score: 4, Informative

      Actually mostly just on blank audio media. That is why blank DVDs are cheaper than CDRs

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    2. Re:In Canada we pay a levy on all blank media... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      makes it easy to choose eh? :)

    3. Re:In Canada we pay a levy on all blank media... by dadragon · · Score: 1

      Yep. All my data storage is done on DVDs now. I only buy blank CDs if I want to make an audio disc.

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  29. Simple english for US RIAA by fireheadca · · Score: 1

    "Copy?" "Right!"

    How can I copyright freedom?

  30. These criminals should be jailed if they come here by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    Hey guys, guess what we have different laws from you.

    We have business laws that require that when you pay money you have to get something in return. IT IS THE LAW! We don't want your completely broken copyright, or patent system.

    Furthermore, since the US is so fond of prosecuting US laws that happened on Canadian soil, I think you deserve the same treatment and if any of you lay foot on Canadian soil, you should be prosecuted as the criminals you are.

    The sad part being that your lies are best dis proven by the stats you publish. Maybe you should read them.

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  31. We do have a Communist party by HannethCom · · Score: 1

    Here in Canada we have a Communist party.

    In the US it is illegal. We don't have freedom of speech, but it sure seems like we have a lot more than the US that claims to have it.

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    1. Re:We do have a Communist party by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

      Here in Canada we have a Communist party. In the US it is illegal.

      O RLY?.

    2. Re:We do have a Communist party by julesh · · Score: 2, Interesting

      O RLY?.

      What he should have said, of course, is that in the US it was made quasi-illegal by government-backed witchhunts investigating people's private political opinions without lawful authority and pressuring large proportions of the population into withdrawing any form of cooperation with anyone found to be involved in the communist party, thus effectively substantially limiting the free speech of anyone who wished to express communist thoughts and effectively decimating the membership of the organisation whose web site you link to.

      While this is not technically making it "illegal" it is the closest thing a government can do that isn't actually making it illegal, and the fact that they stopped doing it is not adequate compensation for the fact that it was done, and that the process effectively ended the possibility of left-wing politics gaining a real foothold in America for fifty years. The damage has not been undone entirely yet.

  32. Wate of money. I could have told you that for fre by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    As in beer, Frosty root beer...hmmm

    But seriously, this is true. Canada is no better than most of east europe and russia. China? Few there read/wite engrish so not much to do about anything.

  33. The 2009 Special 301 Report by Guy+Harris · · Score: 1

    What the 2009 Special 301 Report says about Canada is:

    Canada will be added to the Priority Watch List in 2009. The United States appreciates the high level of cooperation between our two governments in many important bilateral and multilateral IPR initiatives. The United States also welcomed the Government of Canada's reaffirmation earlier this year of its 2007 and 2008 commitments to improve IPR protection and enforcement. However, the Government of Canada has not delivered on these commitments by promptly and effectively implementing key copyright reforms. The United States continues to have serious concerns with Canada's failure to accede to and implement the WIPO Internet Treaties, which Canada signed in 1997. We urge Canada to enact legislation in the near term to strengthen its copyright laws and implement these treaties. The United States also continues to urge Canada to improve its IPR enforcement system to enable authorities to take effective action against the trade in counterfeit and pirated products within Canada, as well as curb the volume of infringing products transshipped and transiting through Canada. Canada's weak border measures continue to be a serious concern for IP owners. The United States hopes that Canada will implement legislative changes to provide a stronger border enforcement system by giving its customs officers the authority to seize products suspected of being pirated or counterfeit without the need for a court order. The provision of additional resources and training to customs officers and domestic law enforcement personnel would enhance IPR enforcement. The United States will continue to follow Canada's progress toward providing an adequate and effective IPR protection and enforcement regime, including near term accession to and implementation of the WIPO Internet Treaties and improved border enforcement.

    It's not clear that it's "[claiming] that Canadian copyright and intellectual property laws are as bad as those found in China and Russia" - or Algeria or Argentina or Chile or India or Israel or Pakistan or Thailand or Venezuela, to give the other countries who appear after China and Russia in the list of Priority Watch countries in the report.

    (I'm not saying that the report is justified in thumping Canada - or any of the other Priority Watch or Watch countries; I'm just suggesting that "Canadian copyright and intellectual property laws are as bad as those found in China and Russia" might be an overstatement of what the report is saying.)

  34. Is there a 'firearms laws' blacklist? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    If so, I would like to see the United States added to it. I'm trying to think of an industrialized nation with which the United States is on par, but I'm having difficulty. I seriously doubt Canada's copyright laws (or lack of same, depending upon your viewpoint) have ever been directly responsible for the death of any American citizens. By contrasts, America's laws surrounding guns (or lack thereof, depending upon your viewpoint) have been directly responsible for the deaths of Canadian Citizens. So I'm writing to my MP tomorrow to ask that the US be put on a blacklist to highlight the fact that their legislators' failure to act has resulted in harm to countless Canadians, most of which, I am certain, is more serious than the harm visited upon US rights-holders. I know we are merely Canadians, however we do enjoy living, and your (lack of) gun law is killing us. So once you fix that, perhaps we can discuss our copyright laws. Until then...sit on your blacklist and rotate.

  35. That's what it is by TrueRecord · · Score: 1

    "even our closest allies and neighbors such as Canada - to enhance protection and *enforcement* of intellectual property rights in the context of a rules-based trading system"

    wtf they mean by "enforcement"?

    Believe it or not but that's called "interference with the policy of a foreign country"

    The people themselves can figure out what is good for them.

  36. Antigua missing from this list? by tick-tock-atona · · Score: 1

    Hilariously, Antigua is missing from either of the watch lists. Why might that be?

    Could it possibly be because the WTO awarded them the right to ignore US IP restrictions due to the US failing to uphold their own free trade agreement? I guess they don't want to highlight the hypocrisy of the US's foreign policy.

  37. Hooray! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Lots of Canadians in these comments that would rather learn from our (US) mistakes than follow them blindly. That's great news - keep it up!

    Obviously those of us in the States will do what we can to turn the tide here, but everyone else could do humanity (most especially themselves) a favor by stopping the spread of our madness. If we happen to end up with a shining beacon of government of/by/for the people directly to our north (no, you're not close yet, but we can hope, right?), then so much the better!

  38. 301 process? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Since when did HTTP server redirects become applicable to laws anyway? Can Canada reply with a 400 Bad Request?

  39. Good to know they are on the leading edge.... by 3seas · · Score: 1

    ...of solving the economic problems....

    If there weren't for such a large amount of piracy the mortgage industry wouldn't be in the shit house and draging the rest of us along...

    My 600 dollar check for stimulus last years was spent on increased gas prices and increased 2008 income taxes. And I bet it cost us all more money to have come up with such a bait and switch plan.....

    Its all about intellectual property rights.... sure buddy... So who has ownership of the mortgage industry intellectual property for certainly they don't have it.
    Maybe they should find it and pirate it...

  40. That's pretty much how I read it, too... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    > Given America's stance on copyright these days, this sounds more like a ringing endorsement of Canadian copyright law than a condemnation.

    As an American, I want to commend Canada for this. If the MAFIAA hates you, you must be doing something right.

  41. You _buy_ CDs? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    100 CDRs costs more than 100 DVD-Rs...

    Wait, you buy yours? Why not just steal them from work like everyone else?!

  42. Truth in Lobbying... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Funny

    What each side really meant:
    US: "We want you to make your copyright laws as draconinan and backwards as ours! We don't like your laws allowing fair use. We wish you to be as oppressive to your populace as we are to ours!
    Canada: Thdddddddt! Come on! Don't you fools realise that locking down intellectual property does for that property exactly the same things as putting up barriers to trade does for economics? Short answer: if you want your economy to tank, put up trade barriers. If you want knowledge creation/discovery industries to grind to a halt (and society as a whole), really lock down copyright laws, patents and other IP locks in as a draconian way as the US.

    1. Re:Truth in Lobbying... by gx5000 · · Score: 1

      Really wish I could mod you up....
      Anonymous for discretion, but you've put up the most succinct and
      clear description of reality...

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  43. creative and innovative products by rs232 · · Score: 1

    Shouldn't that be the U.S Trade Protectionist Lobby (USTP)

    "Today's Special 301 Report guides our efforts to protect American innovation and creativity around the world," said Ambassador Ron Kirk. "Our creative and innovative products can hit the global marketplace sometimes with just a keystroke. If we and our trading partners are not vigilant in protecting and enforcing intellectual property rights, they can vanish just as quickly"

    The Absurdity of the USTR's Blame Canada Approach

    Chevron Lobbyists Misleading USTR Over Ecuador Environmental Case

    Measures Concerning the Importation, Marketing and Sale of Tuna and Tuna Products

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  44. Media owning by KwKSilver · · Score: 4, Insightful

    American media is not usually government owned though.

    Actually, American government is media-owned: executive, legislature, and judiciary. Full Stop. End message.

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  45. What more does the US want? by hol · · Score: 1

    So in Canada all blank media is subject to a fine for the piracy one might commit with that media, irrelevant of actual use.

    This akin to you having to pay a partial speeding ticket every time you start your car; you're guilty, period.

    Of course, courts ruled that since this is a fine, and has been paid, additional prosecution is difficult, which really upset Canada's RIAA, which pushed so hard for the blank media fine in the first place.

    Retarded.

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    1. Re:What more does the US want? by NoseyNick · · Score: 1

      This akin to you having to pay a partial speeding ticket every time you start your car; you're guilty, period.

      Yes, there's taxes on cars too, not to mention the licensing

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  46. piracy shmiracy by hesaigo999ca · · Score: 1

    This is all nice and sweet, really, but until we get a proper unbiased source to judge the effects of piracy, and the toll it takes on the music/movie industries, I would not put an ounce of validity in the report.

    Show me proper statistics that say x + y =z, then I will say, ok let's review the damage.
    Then I might feel some remorse when I torrent my favorite show 24, because Keifer just isn't able to pay his mortgage anymore.

    For a long time, I spoke of how the decision to sell a movie for 24$ in dvd at blockbuster was
    an act of criminal nature...who came up with this figure, is it a fair number or just an unchallenged one. So let's really review the process movie and music companies take to sell their service/merchandise.

    For once I applaud Walmart, for sticking it to MGM, Paramount, Universal, Virgin, all of those, that say No we want 20$ a cd, even though the artist only gets 1$ from that....yeah that is really fair! So instead when I see Walmart selling for 5$ a cd...then I won't worry about to
    torrent the new album, because it is actually considerable when you compare to the bandwidth needed to download an album or movie....plus the effort of burning it unto a cd/dvd.

    Canad just does not sit back and let themselves get consumerised blindly for the profit of a big corporation, we do actually give a crap and speak out!

  47. As my login name says... by DontBlameCanada · · Score: 1

    "Don't Blame Canada" for not enforcing your st00pid copyright laws.

  48. You must have never driven across US-Canada border by 1800maxim · · Score: 1

    If you are driving from Canada to the USA, the *only* checkpoint is the US customs. Similarly, if you're crossing from the US to Canada, you only get stopped at Canadian customs. You are not inspected by both.

    So if the problem, as you specified, is incoming bootlegged products making it into the US, AND since the only checkpoint is the US customs, what's preventing the US customs from doing any sort of reasonable and unreasonable searches that it's known for? Sounds to me that it's not Canadian customs that are performing poorly (in fact, they're not even acting in their role as customs agents if you're crossing from Canada to US), it's the US customs.

    Makes me wonder, did you ever cross the border?

  49. Couple other suggestions... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Great Lake Swimmers
    The Two Minute Miracles

    ... or anything else on Zunior.com

  50. Until 'we' grow up... by cagrin · · Score: 1

    ...there will always be poverty, homelessness, disease, and starvation, being ignored over the pursuit of the almighty dollar. Most of the blame can be put at the hands of what money is: Money As Debt, and those who control it's issuance (Federal Reserve, IMF, BIS)

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  51. Has the USA won any wars? by Midnight+Thunder · · Score: 1

    Again, which war? Oh, that's right ...

    Has the USA won any wars which it started? The two world wars don't really count since the USA didn't start them and they weren't the only allied force. I am not sure Iraq was a win given the mess that ensued.

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  52. Dear Canada: Re: White Castle by fuzznutz · · Score: 1

    That shit IS delicious. It's the bomb. I'll bring a bag on my next trip up. You friend, An Overfed American

  53. Complete BS by Demonantis · · Score: 1

    Since the US cannot interfere with other countries without losing the benefits of them being a trading partner, this seems like an exercise in futility. They are basically saying please conform to our beliefs on copyright or we will put you on a list!

  54. Who cares? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Who cares what the USA thinks about other countries' copyright and IP positions? They're sovereign countries, not America's b*tches.

  55. Get Stuffed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Enough said

  56. 10% = Sizable percentage? by Auroch · · Score: 1

    Seriously. And there is lots of good canadian music. And even if you disagree, they can just play that 10% at 3am-5am ...

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  57. Comparisons? See for yourself! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    US Copyright law (submitted without comment, as I haven't read it. I'm scared if it's supposed to be *MORE* draconian than the Canadian laws.)

    http://www.copyright.gov/title17/

    Canadian copyright law: See http://laws.justice.gc.ca/en/C-42/index.html

    for all the gory details of our national train wreck. :-( :-( :-(

    This covers everything from painting, sculpting, tools with any sort of decorative design or pattern that are not mass produced (those are covered under the Industrial Design Act), public performances of well... anything ... just about anything you could do that's got anything creative to it at all, name it, and it's potentially illegal to do if it's already been done, or, even worse, been done for centuries, but only just now been recorded for the first time ever. :-(

    The act is so vague that you literally can't tell what is and isn't legal until after you've gone to court, and the judge makes up *his* mind on a case by case basis. :-( :-( :-(

    My favourite part of our Copyright Act is the bit which ever so kindly authorizes a teacher in a classroom to read "reasonable portions" of a book out loud -- gee, thanks! I wish everyone had that right, really! We could call it "free speech", or something. :-( ... as well as the special exemptions to violate copyright that are only extended to religious organizations, not the public at large. Freedom from religion in Canada...nah! We still have laws in our Canadian Criminal Code prohibiting "blasphemy". (I kid you not... check out the section labeled "Blasphemous Libel").

    It's in this country so bad that our native Indians can't legally tell their centuries old ancestral stories anymore because some jerk wrote them down ("fixing them" in a "tangible format", which grants copyright to the first person to write them down). :-( :-(

    The government recognized this as a problem during it's last call for copyright reforms, but did nothing to fix it.

  58. Re:As a fellow Canadian ... by Roadkills-R-Us · · Score: 1

    Not just political intrusion. We need to send all those returning soldiers somewhere, too!

  59. Is it too much to ask... by Petersko · · Score: 1

    ...that the poster not link to another bloody slashdot page when they can just link to the freaking document itself?

  60. Administration's position by mpthompson · · Score: 1

    Just in case anyone wondered what the administration's position is: Vice President Joe Biden warned of the harms of Internet piracy at a private event organized by the MPAA in Washington, D.C. At the gala dinner on Tuesday evening, Biden lauded Hollywood, assailed movie piracy, and promised film executives that the Obama administration would pick "the right person" as its copyright czar. Biden also singled out Canada for criticism for not signing the treaty that led to the Digital Millennium Copyright Act or placing other anti-circumvention restrictions on its citizens.

    Despite rhetoric to the contrary, the administration knows which side of the bread is buttered.

  61. Terrorism And (insert activity here)..... by IHC+Navistar · · Score: 1

    Yes, yes, internet piracy is deadly serious to National Security.....

    First, we learned that terrorists make money from drugs, and that if we buy drugs, we are funding terrorism.

    Now, we know that if we pirate software, we are funding terrorism.

    What's next on the National Security stage? Are they going to tell me that I should boycott my local kebab house because it is a meeting place for terrorists? Or maybe stop shopping at RadioShack because they might be secretly funneling SPST switches to Al Queda? Maybe also boycott my local---

    WE'RE SORRY, BUT THE POST HAS BEEN TERMINATED IN ACCORDANCE WITH NATIONAL SECURITY DIRECTIVE 666-B, ALONG WITH THE AUTHOR.

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    United States of America

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  62. Re:Backhanded Compliment? Copyright is too long. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Maybe not 20 years but 28 (original length for a long time), yes. Copyright is a social contract. We as a society will protect you with laws and a way to address grievances regarding your creation. In return, you give up your work back to society so that it can be advanced, changed, mixed, whatever. Since the average life span of someone is in the 70's and people tend to start creating in their 20's, a copyright until death is looking like 50 years. A long time. Even so, I can somewhat understand copyright until death, I just don't like it. There are great benefits to society for shorter copyright. Mainly, it advances the arts. Copyright holders benefit just as much as they get "screwed". A filmmaker could use music for example without a massive rights clearance team (and budget).

    It seems hard for copyright holders to understand this for some reason. I think that many of them believe it should just last forever or something.

    Witness patent holders, a very similar IP situation. 20 years, man....that's it. They also have created something unique, creative, and often quite costly at times in terms of money and time spent. But they only get 20 years. Why? Because it advances technology and society to have them expire. If the transistor were still under patent, do you really think we would have iPods at this point or the computer you are viewing this on?

    How are books or music or films any different? "But that's not the same! They're different!" No, they're not. Expiring patents advance technology, expiring copyrights advance the arts. This is the contract. We as a country, as taxpayers, as voters, protect you for a while. Then, you have to give it back. This incredibly protective emotional thing from copyright holders I don't get. Is say, 30 years, really not long enough to market your work and make money on your project if you choose? My gosh, how long is Happy Birthday going to be protected?!? It's ridiculous.

    I create media for a living incidentally and I have no problem with a copyright of mine expiring after say, 30 years. It would be interesting to see what someone might do with any IP in terms of derivation and changes. Imagine the mountain of material that would be generated if just several superhero characters were public domain. Much would be crap but much wouldn't and might be fantastic.

    I wondered at one time why businesses haven't aggressively complained about the length of patents. Tech companies, drug companies, etc. My theory is that they realize that they also benefit from the works of others and they can build upon patents that expire. So can copyrights be built upon. Interesting how Disney has benefited from public domain works which they then made into successful and arguably great movies (get it? advancement of the arts) but then aggressively seek to strengthen their own copyrights and terms. As many have said, you can't have it both ways.

    Copyright is too long. Get over it. If you want to hoard your work, that's fine....don't publish it or expose it publicly in any way. If you want to enjoy the protection we are prepared to give you, then be prepared to give back after a while. 30 years......30 years! That's not enough?

  63. Copyrights, Society and payloads for $$$ ... by freaker_TuC · · Score: 1

    I'd say a big copyright reform is needed, just because the current technology and society is still partially based on sharing, another part based on buying. I'm not against copyrights at all, it's just not viable anymore in it's current form. I'm from 1976 and till now I have not seen that much of support towards the common artist (which is you and me!).

    Music has been always the cornerstone of any healthy community, years ago it used to be teached to the youngsters; singing hand in hand because there simply was no computer in every household. There was no Internet, no TV, PSP or anything electronic keeping the youth busy in free time except playgrounds, games, metal & plastic toys and friends! Music, has never changed that much; because it's still (even in it's current form) adored by young and old. When is the last time ago you've seen someone singing on the beat? (not always that good of a performance but..)

    It's a part of everyone, just like Bach and Beethoven are known by any, the culture has been shifted the last few years to a buying model only. Currently only classics and oldies are in the Public Domain, rendering a lot of music useless as long as the copyright stays. Not really a big problem; IF; not misused at all, like we are all knowing the "Happy Birthday" song as classical example of bad copyrights undermining culture. Next to that, we're in the remix culture while most of the songs can't be touched; so far for a controlled fanbase?!

    Just like we used to be very relaxed with computer security 20 years ago; which is unimaginable now-a-days; the music industry has been waiting, very relaxed towards the dimise of their own business model. Their business model is based more or less towards physical distribution while music stores and indie bands are growing like mushrooms out of the ground. Artists want to give extras towards their fans, while often being limited by the collection agencies. (read: Sabam, really for the common? for more info)

    Copyrights in it's current form does not only demolish culture as it is, but also destroys a lot of historical heritage. For example, we cannot make a photo of the Atomium in Belgium without being sued or paying outragious amounts of money to the architect of that building; even if this photo has merely been used on a blog. We're in 2009 folks, not in 1990 where business was big through physical media, simply because no-one else had the money to buy the machines to make cd's, vinyl and other media.

    I've been writing extensive about this on my blog in Music Industry: Wake up for alternative licensing. Artists need their copyrights, but more-or-less how THEY like to. We artists are investing thousands of euro's to create music while the music industry tells us how we can copy our own created music! That outrage got to be over ...

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