I find it rather shocking that rather than go for any of the vegan (and low-carbon) meat options, people would rather 'grow' and consume worms..? We've come a long way from blocks of tofu, check out the offerings from companies like Gardein, Beyond Meat, Viana and Fry's. They may not taste exactly like meat (although hot dogs aren't terribly hard to emulate), but they're generally pretty good in their own right. And no doubt they'll try turning them into burgers as well -- is a worm-based fake burger really more appealing than a veggie-based fake burger? I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested if this is the case!
I can't believe there's still a year to go in this process. We had our entire Canadian election in the span of a few of these debates...this seems just a wee bit out of hand.
I've got an old original Ipad - this might make it a bit more useful, anyone know if the Windows 10 'App' that connects with this run on the original Ipad?
It was my partners rental suite, basement in a house, before we got a place together. Not worried about agreements, etc, they aren't renting any longer.
More interested in how secure and private HTTPS is - I have a feeling that there are aspects that are more public than we'd think... Anyone want to configure their router so that it blocks particular terms like this, and see what happens when you try it with an HTTPS URL? (I never asked how he did it, it might be something like a 'parental blocking' feature on the wifi router...but in theory that shouldn't stop a VPN or HTTPS browser connection, right?!)
I'm wondering if the URL encoded in a browser SSL connection as well?
I had a particularly anal landlord not long ago, and we relied on their wifi, and he didn't want anyone downloading torrents, and went so far as to block nearly every port, as well as blocking any URL containing 'torrent'. So of course a torrent file couldn't be downloaded, but searching Google for 'torrent' would result in no page loading, and even news sites like TorrentFreak.com came up blank. (Yes, a brilliant strategy. I wasn't actually trying to download torrents, but wanted to play some games like Diablo 3, which were also stymied by these port blocks. Ended up using wifi sharing on my mobile phone, which actually worked surprisingly well - only used about 30mb per hour.)
I don't recall 100% if this still blocked me with a HTTPS URL (I believe it did give it a try), but I even went so far as to try out a VPN service, and even THAT was blocked -- still couldn't load any pages containing the term 'Torrent', which really surprised me (and the game wouldn't load.) The router settings trumped my PC settings in this case.
If this is the case, then can't they still track a lot of your web-browsing habits by the URL you're visiting? (Just perhaps not the content of the page sent to you itself?)
I dunno, are they really a form of self-sufficiency? Where do they get the hens from in the first place? Often they're not 'local', but shipped in. The feed most people give them is also not local.. While some people will have enough 'scraps' to actually feed and nourish hens, I imagine a lot of people don't, and have to actually buy more food for them, where most of the calories and protein are lost..
If you're really serious about self-sufficiency, then it'd be much more efficient to eat the grains you're feeding to the hen instead, dontcha think? (And again, rinse and repeat process after a year or two when you're only getting an egg or two a week, but they're still eating the same amount of food.)
Sure, some homes work, but the vast majority of back yards I'm familiar with wouldn't..or they would devour the garden crops intended for people (as happens with an acquaintance). But I think if you really examine it for 'self-sufficiency', and go beyond the hobby fad, there are a lot of strikes against them..
One of the reason the egg industry is freaking out is Hampton Creek *does* plan to make eggs obsolete and unnecessary, and perhaps even in all the ways you describe.. As someone once posted here on/. : "where there's a will, there's a way, my friend".;)
Heya - for sure there are lots of backyards here, but my point on space is that there is nowhere enough to fulfill the demand for over 7 billion eggs. And this only offsets a small portion of egg consumption, the vast majority are used in commercial products....not eaten directly by consumers.
Is there a rolling cage that provides adequate shelter from the elements, etc..? And chickens standing on wire all day is pretty cruel. =(
I don't doubt that some individuals can ween themselves from commercial eggs (but this also means eating much less processed or restaurant food, unless it's vegan.;)
Just curious what other 'need' for eggs you're thinking of? Of course, I'm biased as a vegan, but I haven't consumed any eggs or egg products for 25yrs now - what am I missing that's essential? =)
My point is there isn't enough backyard space to do this...and ignoring that, there are a lot of issues that come up from raising your own chickens. First, you have to feed them, which takes more time and money (and since they're fairly inefficient at converting protein, and will need supplemental feed, your total cost-per-egg will go up). You also need to clean up after them (hopefully at least a few times a week.)
You will now be attracting more predators into the city. Here in Greater Vancouver, there are an estimated 2-3,000 coyotes living in the area, and fortunately co-existence has been pretty good, but I could see other communities who would not be impressed with more species moving into the city. Racoons are pretty crafty, and are quite capable of getting into many enclosures, or finding when someone's been sloppy or careless in closing the enclosure (as happened to an acquaintance). This all breeds stupidity, an people end up setting traps in their backyards in an effort to 'control' the predators, and then instead of trapping predators, pets and children get caught in snares and leghold traps instead. (This also happens with regularity here in Vancouver.)
After a year, 'productivity' of chickens drops, and within 2 years you're getting an egg or two per chicken per week. So now you have to deal with this - either keeping them (and they live upwards of 10yrs), or disposing of them (I hate to think of what that means...) And then getting MORE chickens to replace them.
Chickens also get sick, get bugs, and need more care than just 'giving them food'. A few chickens in a block are pretty quiet, but if a large number of backyards in an area had chickens, the noise would become quite significant. Oh, and the stink. Doubtless some neighbours would spend as much time cleaning up, and so the stink from their manure would spread around the block as well..
I think there's a lot more to consider here.. I imagine there's a good reason people were eager to get hens out of their backyards in the first place, and find their eggs elsewhere. (Which brings us back full circle to how they're actually unnecessary, and companies like Hampton Creek are finding innovative ways to replace these things.;)
Well, given it says 'vegan' in my handle (which you kindly point out) how am I even *remotely* trying to hide my bias? But besides that, most of this post is simply facts, and facts from the AEB themselves. Not sure what's got you in such a tizzy. You can view my post history as well..and I'm not exactly one-dimensional in my posts. Sure, this is a big interest of mine, and one I'd say I'm more informed than most about, but it's not my only interest.
7.67 billion eggs are produced in the US each year. Can you even imagine how many 'hobby farms' it would take to accomplish this feat? Quite nearly every remaining square foot of the US would have to be transformed into hobby farms to accomplish this. Hampton Creek is challenging an unsustainable industry, and providing an excellent replacement, but is being pursued by the government for this innovation...that just doesn't seem right. : \
Err...except the AEB is a government-run organization, so this is YOUR tax dollars and government 'at work', opposing one business in defense of an industry. I don't think it's really supposed to work that way. And yes, there is a 'big egg', multi-billion-dollar interests at play here, given that 7.67 billion eggs are laid in the US each year and the government has been caught meddling and interfering in questionable ways. 98% percent of eggs come from your typical 'factory farm' battery cages in order to achieve these numbers - you're in a tiny minority with your purchasing habits. (And it'd be scary to consider how many 'local' farms would be needed to provide 7.67 billion eggs each year. Think of that local farm, how many eggs do you think they produce each year? To scale it up, pretty much all the free space in the US would have to be transformed into 'small farms'.)
Hampton Creek has a point when they're trying to make a point about changing how we produce food.
Err...what nutrients are there in milk that aren't in vegan foods? (With the exception of B12, but most of it isn't in the 'food', it's in the fecal matter of cows which contaminates the milk - and *everyone* over 50 now is recommended to take a B12 supplement, I bet that'll drop more as many meat-eaters have problems with B12 -- it's not an issue of consumption, it's usually an issue with the ability to absorb B12. Same with the traces of iodine in milk - it's residue from the cleaning products in the processing plants, not from milk itself.)
Check out a book called 'Got Milked?', it's written (calm down) by a non-vegan, and really examines how milk came about, and why it's such a huge feature in some Western areas (it's barely more than a condiment in much of the rest of the world; many immigrants look at it, wondering why a condiment has a whole 'food group' in places like Canada and the US.) Plenty of other plant-based foods are *much* better sources of the nutrients in milk (did you know calcium from plants is much easier for us to absorb?) Finally, why on earth are grown monkeys drinking the milk from cows?? It's really quite mad when you step back from what our society has taught us. Were I not vegan, I would still probably have to ask myself: 'why are we drinking this stuff'?
Oh, that's a good distinction, thanks! I've started playing around with the App, and found I can open it in a browser from OneDrive as well - all really useful stuff, this is looking like what I need. Thanks again! =)
Yeah, but I only really use it once a day, so opening 5-10 tabs and waiting for them all to load could take almost as long as I would need for my whole process. But yes, this is a possibility as well, thanks!
Ooh - this might actually cover it, thanks! (Saw it in Windows 10 after install, but never opened it.) Would still prefer something like tabs in Google Docs (so can access more easily elsewhere), but I imagine this is cloud-based as well. Thanks again!
This might be useful for the OP as well - in my own life, I run a few social media accounts, and have a long list of prepared Tweets (as an example) for quick reference/posting. It's all in one big Google Doc, but would LOVE to have 'tabs' for several different categories, and be able to flip through those, rather than scroll down several pages in the Doc. Anyone know of anything like this? (Or work on Google Docs and consider adding this as a feature?;)
So surprised this gets overlooked by so many. Want healthy, long-term productive employees? Make sure their LIVES are good. What happens outside of work will influence work quality much more than anything inside work, especially these cult-like attitudes. And realizing that 'work isn't everything', despite the blow to the CEOs ego, will go a long way to improving the whole system.
The latest Garmin bike computers (others soon to follow) also do this, and probably are a lot better at it..and come with a handy bike mount. (I'd also advise against 'looking at your stats' while riding. Save that for post-ride.)
If the concern is 'snooping', what's to stop newspapers, etc, from simply filing monthly FOI requests each month 'for a list of all FOI requests last month'?
Sorry for the OP's issues. For some reason the damn thing WON'T back-up my photos, and I keep getting an annoying pop-up every few days reminding me that it can't back-up the photos. Tradsies?
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I find it rather shocking that rather than go for any of the vegan (and low-carbon) meat options, people would rather 'grow' and consume worms..? We've come a long way from blocks of tofu, check out the offerings from companies like Gardein, Beyond Meat, Viana and Fry's. They may not taste exactly like meat (although hot dogs aren't terribly hard to emulate), but they're generally pretty good in their own right. And no doubt they'll try turning them into burgers as well -- is a worm-based fake burger really more appealing than a veggie-based fake burger? I'm not trolling, I'm genuinely interested if this is the case!
You can not find a major human population that didn't eat meat.
Um...what about the many parts of India that have been vegetarian for centuries?
I can't believe there's still a year to go in this process. We had our entire Canadian election in the span of a few of these debates...this seems just a wee bit out of hand.
I've got an old original Ipad - this might make it a bit more useful, anyone know if the Windows 10 'App' that connects with this run on the original Ipad?
We need more good toddlers with guns to stop all those bad toddlers with guns.
It was my partners rental suite, basement in a house, before we got a place together. Not worried about agreements, etc, they aren't renting any longer.
More interested in how secure and private HTTPS is - I have a feeling that there are aspects that are more public than we'd think... Anyone want to configure their router so that it blocks particular terms like this, and see what happens when you try it with an HTTPS URL? (I never asked how he did it, it might be something like a 'parental blocking' feature on the wifi router...but in theory that shouldn't stop a VPN or HTTPS browser connection, right?!)
I'm wondering if the URL encoded in a browser SSL connection as well?
I had a particularly anal landlord not long ago, and we relied on their wifi, and he didn't want anyone downloading torrents, and went so far as to block nearly every port, as well as blocking any URL containing 'torrent'. So of course a torrent file couldn't be downloaded, but searching Google for 'torrent' would result in no page loading, and even news sites like TorrentFreak.com came up blank. (Yes, a brilliant strategy. I wasn't actually trying to download torrents, but wanted to play some games like Diablo 3, which were also stymied by these port blocks. Ended up using wifi sharing on my mobile phone, which actually worked surprisingly well - only used about 30mb per hour.)
I don't recall 100% if this still blocked me with a HTTPS URL (I believe it did give it a try), but I even went so far as to try out a VPN service, and even THAT was blocked -- still couldn't load any pages containing the term 'Torrent', which really surprised me (and the game wouldn't load.) The router settings trumped my PC settings in this case.
If this is the case, then can't they still track a lot of your web-browsing habits by the URL you're visiting? (Just perhaps not the content of the page sent to you itself?)
I dunno, are they really a form of self-sufficiency? Where do they get the hens from in the first place? Often they're not 'local', but shipped in. The feed most people give them is also not local.. While some people will have enough 'scraps' to actually feed and nourish hens, I imagine a lot of people don't, and have to actually buy more food for them, where most of the calories and protein are lost..
For example: "By the time your layer hen has reached maturity at 5 months of age, she will have consumed approximately 20 pounds of feed." That's 20lbs of edible food gone, per hen, before you even get a single egg! How is that sustainable? 3 hens means 60lbs of grains, gone...that's a lot of food when you're talking about growing your own.
If you're really serious about self-sufficiency, then it'd be much more efficient to eat the grains you're feeding to the hen instead, dontcha think? (And again, rinse and repeat process after a year or two when you're only getting an egg or two a week, but they're still eating the same amount of food.)
Sure, some homes work, but the vast majority of back yards I'm familiar with wouldn't..or they would devour the garden crops intended for people (as happens with an acquaintance). But I think if you really examine it for 'self-sufficiency', and go beyond the hobby fad, there are a lot of strikes against them..
One of the reason the egg industry is freaking out is Hampton Creek *does* plan to make eggs obsolete and unnecessary, and perhaps even in all the ways you describe.. As someone once posted here on /. : "where there's a will, there's a way, my friend". ;)
" I suppose that some are [trust]worthy"
Is that you, Donald Trump?
Heya - for sure there are lots of backyards here, but my point on space is that there is nowhere enough to fulfill the demand for over 7 billion eggs. And this only offsets a small portion of egg consumption, the vast majority are used in commercial products....not eaten directly by consumers.
;)
Is there a rolling cage that provides adequate shelter from the elements, etc..? And chickens standing on wire all day is pretty cruel. =(
I don't doubt that some individuals can ween themselves from commercial eggs (but this also means eating much less processed or restaurant food, unless it's vegan.
Just curious what other 'need' for eggs you're thinking of? Of course, I'm biased as a vegan, but I haven't consumed any eggs or egg products for 25yrs now - what am I missing that's essential? =)
My point is there isn't enough backyard space to do this...and ignoring that, there are a lot of issues that come up from raising your own chickens. First, you have to feed them, which takes more time and money (and since they're fairly inefficient at converting protein, and will need supplemental feed, your total cost-per-egg will go up). You also need to clean up after them (hopefully at least a few times a week.)
;)
You will now be attracting more predators into the city. Here in Greater Vancouver, there are an estimated 2-3,000 coyotes living in the area, and fortunately co-existence has been pretty good, but I could see other communities who would not be impressed with more species moving into the city. Racoons are pretty crafty, and are quite capable of getting into many enclosures, or finding when someone's been sloppy or careless in closing the enclosure (as happened to an acquaintance). This all breeds stupidity, an people end up setting traps in their backyards in an effort to 'control' the predators, and then instead of trapping predators, pets and children get caught in snares and leghold traps instead. (This also happens with regularity here in Vancouver.)
After a year, 'productivity' of chickens drops, and within 2 years you're getting an egg or two per chicken per week. So now you have to deal with this - either keeping them (and they live upwards of 10yrs), or disposing of them (I hate to think of what that means...) And then getting MORE chickens to replace them.
Chickens also get sick, get bugs, and need more care than just 'giving them food'. A few chickens in a block are pretty quiet, but if a large number of backyards in an area had chickens, the noise would become quite significant. Oh, and the stink. Doubtless some neighbours would spend as much time cleaning up, and so the stink from their manure would spread around the block as well..
I think there's a lot more to consider here.. I imagine there's a good reason people were eager to get hens out of their backyards in the first place, and find their eggs elsewhere. (Which brings us back full circle to how they're actually unnecessary, and companies like Hampton Creek are finding innovative ways to replace these things.
Well, given it says 'vegan' in my handle (which you kindly point out) how am I even *remotely* trying to hide my bias? But besides that, most of this post is simply facts, and facts from the AEB themselves. Not sure what's got you in such a tizzy. You can view my post history as well..and I'm not exactly one-dimensional in my posts. Sure, this is a big interest of mine, and one I'd say I'm more informed than most about, but it's not my only interest.
7.67 billion eggs are produced in the US each year. Can you even imagine how many 'hobby farms' it would take to accomplish this feat? Quite nearly every remaining square foot of the US would have to be transformed into hobby farms to accomplish this. Hampton Creek is challenging an unsustainable industry, and providing an excellent replacement, but is being pursued by the government for this innovation...that just doesn't seem right. : \
Err...except the AEB is a government-run organization, so this is YOUR tax dollars and government 'at work', opposing one business in defense of an industry. I don't think it's really supposed to work that way. And yes, there is a 'big egg', multi-billion-dollar interests at play here, given that 7.67 billion eggs are laid in the US each year and the government has been caught meddling and interfering in questionable ways. 98% percent of eggs come from your typical 'factory farm' battery cages in order to achieve these numbers - you're in a tiny minority with your purchasing habits. (And it'd be scary to consider how many 'local' farms would be needed to provide 7.67 billion eggs each year. Think of that local farm, how many eggs do you think they produce each year? To scale it up, pretty much all the free space in the US would have to be transformed into 'small farms'.)
Hampton Creek has a point when they're trying to make a point about changing how we produce food.
Err...what nutrients are there in milk that aren't in vegan foods? (With the exception of B12, but most of it isn't in the 'food', it's in the fecal matter of cows which contaminates the milk - and *everyone* over 50 now is recommended to take a B12 supplement, I bet that'll drop more as many meat-eaters have problems with B12 -- it's not an issue of consumption, it's usually an issue with the ability to absorb B12. Same with the traces of iodine in milk - it's residue from the cleaning products in the processing plants, not from milk itself.)
Check out a book called 'Got Milked?', it's written (calm down) by a non-vegan, and really examines how milk came about, and why it's such a huge feature in some Western areas (it's barely more than a condiment in much of the rest of the world; many immigrants look at it, wondering why a condiment has a whole 'food group' in places like Canada and the US.) Plenty of other plant-based foods are *much* better sources of the nutrients in milk (did you know calcium from plants is much easier for us to absorb?) Finally, why on earth are grown monkeys drinking the milk from cows?? It's really quite mad when you step back from what our society has taught us. Were I not vegan, I would still probably have to ask myself: 'why are we drinking this stuff'?
Oh, that's a good distinction, thanks! I've started playing around with the App, and found I can open it in a browser from OneDrive as well - all really useful stuff, this is looking like what I need. Thanks again! =)
Close...but not easy to copy/paste what's written in the notes. Thanks tho! (So far OneNote seems to be closest to what I'm looking for..)
Yeah, but I only really use it once a day, so opening 5-10 tabs and waiting for them all to load could take almost as long as I would need for my whole process. But yes, this is a possibility as well, thanks!
Ooh - this might actually cover it, thanks! (Saw it in Windows 10 after install, but never opened it.) Would still prefer something like tabs in Google Docs (so can access more easily elsewhere), but I imagine this is cloud-based as well. Thanks again!
This might be useful for the OP as well - in my own life, I run a few social media accounts, and have a long list of prepared Tweets (as an example) for quick reference/posting. It's all in one big Google Doc, but would LOVE to have 'tabs' for several different categories, and be able to flip through those, rather than scroll down several pages in the Doc. Anyone know of anything like this? (Or work on Google Docs and consider adding this as a feature? ;)
So surprised this gets overlooked by so many. Want healthy, long-term productive employees? Make sure their LIVES are good. What happens outside of work will influence work quality much more than anything inside work, especially these cult-like attitudes. And realizing that 'work isn't everything', despite the blow to the CEOs ego, will go a long way to improving the whole system.
The latest Garmin bike computers (others soon to follow) also do this, and probably are a lot better at it..and come with a handy bike mount. (I'd also advise against 'looking at your stats' while riding. Save that for post-ride.)
If the concern is 'snooping', what's to stop newspapers, etc, from simply filing monthly FOI requests each month 'for a list of all FOI requests last month'?
Sorry for the OP's issues. For some reason the damn thing WON'T back-up my photos, and I keep getting an annoying pop-up every few days reminding me that it can't back-up the photos. Tradsies?