This is the problem with absolutism, sooner or later you come across scenario which makes your nice sounding truth look foolish. Instead of being fearful of some unrealised future that hasn't happened, you should spend more time focussing on the reality that exists today. Absolutist dogma like freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are destroying your country.
I have over 100 windows servers in my farm, only 2 of which do AD. Assuming SAMBA4 has a 100% penetration rate then it's still less than 2% impact. The most likely case of course is that SAMBA will make no impact because if I have to run 100+ windows servers for all my apps, why would I bother with something new and different just for 2 servers? Also you clearly don't understand the MS licensing model with virtualisation these days. My MS license covers my 8 physical ESXi servers. Whether I run 8 Windows servers or 800 it cost me the same. Also for a business that turns over hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, $100k in licensing is not even worth worrying about. If linux people want to beat MS in the enterprise then they need to think more like business people and less like nerds looking for free stuff.
If you have other MS servers then it saves you nothing. A user or device CAL is still required for the other MS servers so replacing one MS server in your farm with Linux will save you precisely nothing in CALs. In fact it will cost you more because you now need a new skill set you previously didn't need for zero added benefit (ie what does this offer that you don't already have with your current AD servers?)
So let me get you straight. As a PHB I have MS server infrastructure (AD, Exchange, SQL, IIS, sharepoint etc) that all works well. You want me to introduce a new product from another vendor that requires different sets of skills just for one or two servers to save me zero dollars (look up how Datacentre licensing works in virtual environments), even though I have existing server that do the job with the skill sets I already have in my team? Have I got that right?
Just because you don't understand how management decisions are made doesn't make them wrong.
Yeah because MS's entire product portfolio consists only of Active Directory. Do you Linux guys seriously believe your own bullshit? This is good news let's not ruin it by making insane claims based on extremely poor logic.
I can only assume you've never had a proper MS support contract as you anecdote sounds a lot like you just Google for a solution and didn't find it. We can play the anecdote game all day, I don't consider myself a best of breed anything but I manage windows systems and go home at 5pm on the dot every day. How does your theory explain this?
People used IE in the early 2000s because it came with the computer.
I'm an IT guy, I used IE because it was better than anything else available at the time. Most other "people" clearly thought the same thing.
most people thought Microsoft was the only source for computer software. Under threat of never seeing your precious Word and Excel documents again, they were right.
Crap. People used MS because it was the one of the only producers of user friendly software that wasn't a pile of steaming dog turd. Firefox, Apple and Google showed that if you produce quality products, people will use them.
Innovation was dead as long as nobody dared try to use anything else.
Jesus fucking Christ, if innovation died then where the fuck did Apple and Google and Facebook come from? The biggest IT companies around all came to power during your so called period of innovation-death. Good luck with that hypothesis...
China is a big place, just because you have some crap from China, doesn't mean all stuff from China is crap. I used to work for a clothing manufacturer where EVERYTHING was made in China. From the cheap $5 T-shirts to the $300 jeans and dress shirts, the difference is only the raw materials used and the QA required.
It's not the fact that it has ads, it's nature in which they are delivered. I read my local paper online and ads just sit there on the side of the page like a conventional paper. Like a regular paper I can choose to read the ads or not. But if they were forced onto me full screen so I have to actually click something to move them away before being allowed to read my paper, then I will not read that paper any more. That strategy was doomed from the beginning.
Our grandparents would've thought our outlook is crazy, we think our grandkids outlook is crazy. Doesn't mean the world is ending, it's just how it works
I think you forgot the bit explaining why the average citizen should care?
I used to work for the govt, and I used to work for some ISP, so I think I have a handle on what's probably going on but still don't really care. So I read some news websites, watch porn, download music and talk shit to a bunch of people I've hardly met. Let's assume the absolutely worst and that the govt knows every movement and every word I've ever spoken, how is this bad for me? (and try to answer this without using some science fiction as your supporting evidence)
No I didn't, in fact I even covered that point specifically in my post. No matter what your standard is with Linux, it won't be the same as company B or Company C which is where you get your staff from. With MS and Apple it is.
I got given this problem as an undergraduate about 20 years ago, and ever since then, every time I get in an elevator I try to think of ways to make the logic better. In 20 years I still can't figure one out because every situation is different. My current building is 12 stories with 3 elevators. There is a basement which is only served by one of the three elevators, and the top floor is the Exec level which gets priority (one lift homes to this floor). My last building was 10 floors, half of which was a mall, the other half offices. It had 8 elevators that did different things on different floors depending on where you were coming from and where you are going. Before that I worked in a 40 storey building which had the standard four lots of lifts that service 10 floors each.
In summary this is not an undergraduate problem. For a one-off fixed set of circumstances it might come across as a simple undergrad issue, but the reality requires a bit more expertise.
Because like communism, the concept is vastly different from the implementation.
Around here, unions are just as corrupt as capitalists. But at least the capitalists, in some small cases do actually create jobs.
"Look at Windows 8. Don't like the unterface? tough, there's nothing you can do about it.
Now look at Unity. Don't like the interface? Well try these others, there's plenty to choose from."
This is actually the main problem with Linux. When you have to support 1000+ machines you don't want 1000+ different configurations. And even if you standardised the config and UI across your organsiation, it won't be the same as the next place you go and work, nor will it be the same for new people who start here, or contractors who have to come in and do work. The overhead of too much flexiblility actually detracts from the product. Bill Gates knows this. Steve Jobs knew this. If only the 'smart' guys who think they know better than everyone would learn it, Linux might stand a chance.
Well that's probably how it happens in the movies. In real life, there's these people called 'lawyers' who ensure absolutely everything is declared and transparent up front.
Building your own, if you know what you're doing and know what you want...
That's a pretty big if, and is equally true for cars, houses, low orbit launch platforms etc... which is why there exists a market for turnkey solutions. Not everyone knows everything, and most people are happy to pay for someone else to do the hard work.
Yeah fuck the draconian government and there stupid rules. Why should we even have to go to court when requested? Fuck them, I prefer a free society with no rules, like say Mogadishu or Lagos...
This attitude depends on where you live. I think in bigger places there is more room for abuse because sheer population size means people don't have to care about other people they don't know. But in smaller towns where everyone knows everyone there isn't the same level of a paranoia or corruption.
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But wait, they don't have freedom of speech or the right to bear arms in Germany so how can this be?
If we really went it what Americans believe we'd be here all day...
This is the problem with absolutism, sooner or later you come across scenario which makes your nice sounding truth look foolish. Instead of being fearful of some unrealised future that hasn't happened, you should spend more time focussing on the reality that exists today. Absolutist dogma like freedom of speech and the right to bear arms are destroying your country.
I have over 100 windows servers in my farm, only 2 of which do AD. Assuming SAMBA4 has a 100% penetration rate then it's still less than 2% impact. The most likely case of course is that SAMBA will make no impact because if I have to run 100+ windows servers for all my apps, why would I bother with something new and different just for 2 servers? Also you clearly don't understand the MS licensing model with virtualisation these days. My MS license covers my 8 physical ESXi servers. Whether I run 8 Windows servers or 800 it cost me the same. Also for a business that turns over hundreds of millions of dollars in revenue, $100k in licensing is not even worth worrying about. If linux people want to beat MS in the enterprise then they need to think more like business people and less like nerds looking for free stuff.
If you have other MS servers then it saves you nothing. A user or device CAL is still required for the other MS servers so replacing one MS server in your farm with Linux will save you precisely nothing in CALs. In fact it will cost you more because you now need a new skill set you previously didn't need for zero added benefit (ie what does this offer that you don't already have with your current AD servers?)
So let me get you straight. As a PHB I have MS server infrastructure (AD, Exchange, SQL, IIS, sharepoint etc) that all works well. You want me to introduce a new product from another vendor that requires different sets of skills just for one or two servers to save me zero dollars (look up how Datacentre licensing works in virtual environments), even though I have existing server that do the job with the skill sets I already have in my team? Have I got that right? Just because you don't understand how management decisions are made doesn't make them wrong.
Yeah because MS's entire product portfolio consists only of Active Directory. Do you Linux guys seriously believe your own bullshit? This is good news let's not ruin it by making insane claims based on extremely poor logic.
I can only assume you've never had a proper MS support contract as you anecdote sounds a lot like you just Google for a solution and didn't find it. We can play the anecdote game all day, I don't consider myself a best of breed anything but I manage windows systems and go home at 5pm on the dot every day. How does your theory explain this?
People used IE in the early 2000s because it came with the computer.
I'm an IT guy, I used IE because it was better than anything else available at the time. Most other "people" clearly thought the same thing.
most people thought Microsoft was the only source for computer software. Under threat of never seeing your precious Word and Excel documents again, they were right.
Crap. People used MS because it was the one of the only producers of user friendly software that wasn't a pile of steaming dog turd. Firefox, Apple and Google showed that if you produce quality products, people will use them.
Innovation was dead as long as nobody dared try to use anything else.
Jesus fucking Christ, if innovation died then where the fuck did Apple and Google and Facebook come from? The biggest IT companies around all came to power during your so called period of innovation-death. Good luck with that hypothesis...
My tool-kit contains no imperial tools. This is the 21st century after all...
China is a big place, just because you have some crap from China, doesn't mean all stuff from China is crap. I used to work for a clothing manufacturer where EVERYTHING was made in China. From the cheap $5 T-shirts to the $300 jeans and dress shirts, the difference is only the raw materials used and the QA required.
It's not the fact that it has ads, it's nature in which they are delivered. I read my local paper online and ads just sit there on the side of the page like a conventional paper. Like a regular paper I can choose to read the ads or not. But if they were forced onto me full screen so I have to actually click something to move them away before being allowed to read my paper, then I will not read that paper any more. That strategy was doomed from the beginning.
Our grandparents would've thought our outlook is crazy, we think our grandkids outlook is crazy. Doesn't mean the world is ending, it's just how it works
I think you forgot the bit explaining why the average citizen should care? I used to work for the govt, and I used to work for some ISP, so I think I have a handle on what's probably going on but still don't really care. So I read some news websites, watch porn, download music and talk shit to a bunch of people I've hardly met. Let's assume the absolutely worst and that the govt knows every movement and every word I've ever spoken, how is this bad for me? (and try to answer this without using some science fiction as your supporting evidence)
No I didn't, in fact I even covered that point specifically in my post. No matter what your standard is with Linux, it won't be the same as company B or Company C which is where you get your staff from. With MS and Apple it is.
I got given this problem as an undergraduate about 20 years ago, and ever since then, every time I get in an elevator I try to think of ways to make the logic better. In 20 years I still can't figure one out because every situation is different. My current building is 12 stories with 3 elevators. There is a basement which is only served by one of the three elevators, and the top floor is the Exec level which gets priority (one lift homes to this floor). My last building was 10 floors, half of which was a mall, the other half offices. It had 8 elevators that did different things on different floors depending on where you were coming from and where you are going. Before that I worked in a 40 storey building which had the standard four lots of lifts that service 10 floors each. In summary this is not an undergraduate problem. For a one-off fixed set of circumstances it might come across as a simple undergrad issue, but the reality requires a bit more expertise.
Because like communism, the concept is vastly different from the implementation. Around here, unions are just as corrupt as capitalists. But at least the capitalists, in some small cases do actually create jobs.
Sorry I've already contributed otherwise I'd mod you up. Great post.
Actually, it's a perfect example.
"Look at Windows 8. Don't like the unterface? tough, there's nothing you can do about it. Now look at Unity. Don't like the interface? Well try these others, there's plenty to choose from."
This is actually the main problem with Linux. When you have to support 1000+ machines you don't want 1000+ different configurations. And even if you standardised the config and UI across your organsiation, it won't be the same as the next place you go and work, nor will it be the same for new people who start here, or contractors who have to come in and do work. The overhead of too much flexiblility actually detracts from the product. Bill Gates knows this. Steve Jobs knew this. If only the 'smart' guys who think they know better than everyone would learn it, Linux might stand a chance.
For some other species that isn't driven by profit above all else.
Isn't this the same driver that prevents all the current living species from going extinct?
Well that's probably how it happens in the movies. In real life, there's these people called 'lawyers' who ensure absolutely everything is declared and transparent up front.
Building your own, if you know what you're doing and know what you want...
That's a pretty big if, and is equally true for cars, houses, low orbit launch platforms etc... which is why there exists a market for turnkey solutions. Not everyone knows everything, and most people are happy to pay for someone else to do the hard work.
It provides a censorship free way to transfer small amounts of money pseudonymously over the Internet
Hi, I'm a normal person, this has never, ever been a problem for me. Tell me again, what problem does this solve for people like me?
Yeah fuck the draconian government and there stupid rules. Why should we even have to go to court when requested? Fuck them, I prefer a free society with no rules, like say Mogadishu or Lagos...
This attitude depends on where you live. I think in bigger places there is more room for abuse because sheer population size means people don't have to care about other people they don't know. But in smaller towns where everyone knows everyone there isn't the same level of a paranoia or corruption.