As a former sysadmin of a popular forum back in the late 90s, I can say that this form of social networking is definitely dying. Killed, as should be obvious, by the likes of Facebook. Basically the progression over time has been...
Usenet (for those select few with internet access back in the day) Stand-alone BBS - the first real online social networking available to the public Networked BBSs / online services (AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, GEnie, etc) More general use of Usenet (around which time it became filled with spam and binaries, making it nearly unusable except for moderated groups) The advent of the WWW brought the HTML based discussion forum, which ruled (and is still very much applicable) for the greater part of 20 years. Hybrid, topic based discussion (Slashdot, reddit, etc) Facebook and its various constructs (celeb pages, groups, and the totally unorganized comment discussion that originates based off of random posts created or shared by users).
The thing that concerns me in the Facebook era are the lack of organization, clear moderation (who is even in charge of which group?), searchability, etc, of anything on FB. Let me give you an example. If I want to work on my vehicle, I can search for the topic online, and find a discussion forum where owners of that vehicle discuss in great detail the problem I've encountered and how to repair it. That's not even possible with FB.
Anyway, after all that semi-offtopic rambling, I'll say this is not a good thing in my opinion that IMDB is shutting down their forums, because there is no adequate replacement.
Agree 100%. Usenet was good because the client would provide a consistent interface for all topics, while web forums change based on vendor.
Regardless, an incredible amount of useful information is stored in these forms of communication. Message boards exist for almost any type of car, or technology, or hobby. The collective knowledge has solutions to any known problem with a given car, or device. In a way they can achieve what wikis attempt to, but with a lower bar of entry. Users know how to format posts from normal communication, so it's easy to create a mega thread with all sorts of useful information on a topic. Other users posts comments, updates, etc as a reply, and the OP (or sometimes a mod) will update the first post with up to date information. I worry about when these sort of forums shut down, that all the knowledge becomes lost, as it's very hard to dig up posts from a dead site.
Facebook based comment threads are just garbage, so hard to follow. I also hate the idea of single vendor lock-in.
Backups were ineffective. 30% of our users lost their home directories permanently. He never lived it down. Check your backups!
IT always says "Don't store stuff on your local hard drive, store it on the network drive where it's regularly backed up!". I still think I'm better off storing on my hard drive, and managing local backups. Particularly where the user's private network drive has a retention policy of 1 year, after which it guarantees the files are deleted.
And also after I filed a ticket with IT when a user deleted another user's file on the network drive. Two week's later IT STILL couldn't find the backup tape from the ninth... That was one file, imagine losing the whole server.
Shared network drives also have a tendency of people accidentally dragging and dropping a subdir into another subdir.
All of which is to say, DVDs weren't in HD. Or, at least, the use of DVDs to support HD was never adopted in the mainstream, though there were some efforts to do so.
DVDs are substantially higher resolution than VHS, particularly after several watchings.
Blu-rays are sometimes not worth the hassle (though it's easy to pirate HD content without the hassle)
I'll go one better on that... I know of one that was up for a couple of decades and finally failed, and when they went looking for it, they had to break through some drywall into an odd corner of a closet where it had accidentally been sealed off by construction contractors.
Certain controls cannot be easily understood (like on/off states for check boxes or elements like tabs)
Thank you, I thought I was the only one. I have apps on my phone where I cannot tell if those on-off toggles are meant to indicate it's on or off. Use checkboxes, damn it.
As I recall the check boxes on Android Gingerbread weren't entirely clear... because the check was there when selected or unselected, it just changed color.
There are 700 computers to fix. 16 staff members each working 40h/week at the rate of 1 machine/2h will take.... 2.2 weeks.
Meh, you need to basically force it to boot from some kind of other media with a script on it. I could hack something together with linux to restore an identical image to each pc, and there are no doubt packages that make it trivially easy. They shouldn't need 2h a machine. The biggest annoyance is probably dealing with windows product numbers. That might be easier just to update manually. Of course if you created a linux image then it is easier.
It shouldn't be that hard to have the machines load an image automatically by first checking a remote server after boot. You could wait till the OS boots, check for an update via wget, then if it is there, you write the non active partition and then update where grub points. Sure there are details to work out and sometimes you will need manual intervention, but it is all scriptable..
Of course, in practice, find the software that already exists to automate the job and be done with it. No need to roll a custom solution.
Windows volume licence should take care of licencing automatically (deployed image will find the KMS). While a machine might take up to 2h to deploy (seems extreme, hopefully no more than 30 min), you can have several machines working away at once. Very little of that time should involve human interaction.
LOL, block Word documents. That would be fun to explain to your userbase, and management.
Thankfully in the intervening decades Microsoft put more effort to discourage and disallow active (Macro) content, to the point of having a seperate extension that could be blocked (.xlsm), and distrusting internet sourced files.
My favorite Microsoft security feature was when these HTML tags: <img src="con"> <img src="com1"> <img src="nul">
Would cause a BSOD on Win 9x. Good times were had posting to forums with linked images. Same era as pinging people on IRC with the payload "+++ATH0"
Somebody can want Android without wanting the entire collection of Google apps. Apps for Google services that are pre-installed typically include Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Calendar, Photos, Hangouts, Books, Games, Movies & TV, Music, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Drive, Google Settings (that's separate from the Settings app that deals with basic OS stuff), and YouTube. I use the Google infrastructure extensively so I'm happy to have all of those around, but other people may prefer alternatives or not use those functions at all.
Worst of it is these apps take up space in the initial load, and they have undoubtly been updated. So space is taken for the factory copy, plus the update pulled from Play store. Same idea with the OS. Flash storage always has the factory OS (with outdated google apps) PLUS the updated OS (with copies of outdated google apps) PLUS the latest update to these apps.
Installing a clean ROM, and Opengapps pico or nano Then you only have the up to date copy of only the apps you want. I'll install Chrome, Gmail, maps, Youtube... that's about it.
Going from a Tablet that shipped with ICE + several Jellybean updates, to a clean ROM of Marshmellow with Opengapps pico, I was surprised at how much less space was taken by the base OS.
I have KatKiss Marshmallow on an old Asus tablet. Stock ROM was limited to Jellybean, and the thing was a horribly slow piece of shit. The fact that I can run an OS as new as I can (there's even builds available for Nougat but I haven't bothered), on a device this old (2012) is amazing. I can take advantage of F2FS which makes the crappy flash memory perform not so crappy.
I was also amazed at how much space is wasted on the flash memory with the standard OS update process. By installing the bare OS from scratch, and only the Google Apps I want, it hardly uses any flash, leaving plenty of the 32GB free.
They believe that by pirating an old movie that they refuse to make available on DVD or streaming, you're not paying to watch the latest Transformers flick.
Which is why copyright terms should be similar to patents. After 20 years you've made your money, now focus on new content.
Then the apartment building was not built to code and the engineer should be in jail. Have a look at the Ronan Point explosion to see how this works. The gas company and the company making the gas appliances were not at fault, the engineers were for making an unsafe building.
The size of fire a phone battery explosion can create should not be able to do more than inconvenience other apartment dewellers into exiting the building for a day. Otherwise we would have entire apartment buildings burning down every time some dumbass forgot to turn off the stove.
Some low rise (3 level) apartment buildings are made of wood construction. There's enough potential there for a fire in one unit to burn the place down. Everyone should make it out alive, but at great inconvenience.
I've also seen a 12 story building where a sprinkler line went off on the 12th floor. The residents of that entire wing of that building was removed for 6 months to rebuild after the water damage.
Is the current organization even capable of such things?
I ask, because I haven't been impressed with what I've seen so far.
In my opinion, Firefox has gotten progressively worse release after release, sometimes with huge usability blunders. The Australis UI debacle was particularly painful. Then there have been the many smaller, yet unjustifiable, debacles like Hello and Pocket. Meanwhile, Firefox still uses way more memory than Chrome, Opera, Safari or Vivaldi do on my system, while feeling so much slower to me, even without any extensions installed.
I feel they went off the rails starting with V4.0. I remember the excitement with the release of V3.0, and the count of Downloads. Starting with V4, they did the "new version every 20 minutes", and changed the UI needlessly without addressing performance issues. It felt less like "us vs. them" in the war on browsers, and more like "ugg, another update, this is as annoying as Abobe Reader / Flash"
On properly supported hardware I don't mind 8.1. There's some under the hood improvements, as well as some nice tweaks: Win+X menu, task manager.
However Classic Shell is required, and the settings menus are inconsistent. Half are desktop Control panels, half are metro settings.
Windows 10 didn't do much to fix the identity crisis in the UI, the start menu is still terrible, and you give up complete control of your computer. It took Windows 10 to make Windows 8.1 look good.
Many people only use their computers to browse the web and access their email. An OS that only allows that would be criticized by/. for being too locked down and not general purpose, but for the vast majority of consumers this would be perfect.
1. Of course I want to watch it on TV!! I didn't buy plasma and now OLED TV's to watch content on a small computer screen when at home. I have the video and sound system in my living room to get a movie theater experience, so I want a good image and sound quality source.
I assume your plasma and now OLED TV must have inputs which can be connected to a PC. Something like HDMI, or even VGA. I use my Chromecast as an intermediary
2. I've seen some kodi. Most of what was initially demo'ed to me, was live tv feeds from somewhere in Russia or eastern Europe. My other question is....is this legal content? I'm guessing it is grey area at best.....and if illegal, how is my kodi receiver receiving the signal? Where does it come from? Is it traceable like a torrent is?
Grey market at best. General best experience is through "Exodus" Addon (which is not an "official" addon, so the Kodi team can maintain they have nothing to do with it). It will scavage "streaming sites" for locations to get videos, and show the sources. A lot are on "GVIDEO", aka "Google Video". Haven't figured out yet if these are hidden Youtube videos, hidden Google drive files, or what. But Exodus doesn't use Torrents (some addons do).
Torrents are easily tracable because of the Peer to Peer nature, the MPAA/RIAA can connect to the swarm and harvest IPs to sent threatening letters to the ISPs. Streaming sites won't turn that over without a court order.
What saddens me is that there's so little discoverability with these tricks. Those are just buried who-knows-where so you get the tribal knowledge by coworker word of mouth when you're already on the inside, or by random web-browsing as you're looking for other things. Think of Windows key shortcuts. Up till Windows 8 I think there were just a few, so I was unaware that W8 added a whole bunch.
At some point I start looking up keyboard hot-key lists. Always trying to find tricks to make things quicker. The random web-browsing as you say. Best one for >=W8 is Win+X which shows the same menu as right clicking the bottom left corner of the screen. Ready access to lots of power user functions. I don't think they have even gotten around to fucking it up in W10 yet.
But back at discoverability, it saddens me that with all text now gone from menus, or menu icons replaced by hamburgers, and even the menus gone altogether (thanks, Google et copycats > _ < ). Long gone are the days when you'd see menu shortcuts.
Agree on the useless discover-ability. Everything now must be "Me no know how to read. Me need point and grunt screen" (que appy app guy). I like how menus used to shows Ctrl+ hotkeys, and pressing alt would highlight alt-key shortcuts. I also dislike how function keys are now a second class citizen. Instead the buttons primary function is volume up, volume down, or they are doubled up on the number keys.
Hey - I resemble that remark, although my current goto is ctl-alt-left arrow. I assume no responsibility for neck injuries resulting from use of the aforementioned keyboard combo.:)
I have no idea why Intel ever made this a fucking shortcut. I have never in my life seen anyone use this function intentionally. I have seen countless people accidentally hit it, with no idea how to get back.
Most recently was a forklift driver.
Forklift driver on radio : "Uhh maintenance, the screen on my forklift is showing sideways" Electrician: "Uhh. What?" Me to electrician: "Tell him to press Ctrl+alt+up arrow" Electrician: "Uhh. Try Ctrl+alt+up arrow" Forklift driver: "Wow. That fixed it"
I've got 2000 Toyota Camry for sale right right now. Adjusted for inflation from what I paid new 2000 ($24,000) at half price (adjusted) that comes to $16,000. Current blue book is about $3000.
While I think swear words are overused in the real world and on slashdot, I would very definitely NOT consider slashdot to be a "family" website.
Especially not with all the Hot Grits and natalie portman jokes in the old days.
Or Goatse. . .
As a former sysadmin of a popular forum back in the late 90s, I can say that this form of social networking is definitely dying. Killed, as should be obvious, by the likes of Facebook. Basically the progression over time has been...
Usenet (for those select few with internet access back in the day)
Stand-alone BBS - the first real online social networking available to the public
Networked BBSs / online services (AOL, Prodigy, Compuserve, GEnie, etc)
More general use of Usenet (around which time it became filled with spam and binaries, making it nearly unusable except for moderated groups)
The advent of the WWW brought the HTML based discussion forum, which ruled (and is still very much applicable) for the greater part of 20 years.
Hybrid, topic based discussion (Slashdot, reddit, etc)
Facebook and its various constructs (celeb pages, groups, and the totally unorganized comment discussion that originates based off of random posts created or shared by users).
The thing that concerns me in the Facebook era are the lack of organization, clear moderation (who is even in charge of which group?), searchability, etc, of anything on FB. Let me give you an example. If I want to work on my vehicle, I can search for the topic online, and find a discussion forum where owners of that vehicle discuss in great detail the problem I've encountered and how to repair it. That's not even possible with FB.
Anyway, after all that semi-offtopic rambling, I'll say this is not a good thing in my opinion that IMDB is shutting down their forums, because there is no adequate replacement.
Agree 100%. Usenet was good because the client would provide a consistent interface for all topics, while web forums change based on vendor.
Regardless, an incredible amount of useful information is stored in these forms of communication. Message boards exist for almost any type of car, or technology, or hobby. The collective knowledge has solutions to any known problem with a given car, or device. In a way they can achieve what wikis attempt to, but with a lower bar of entry. Users know how to format posts from normal communication, so it's easy to create a mega thread with all sorts of useful information on a topic. Other users posts comments, updates, etc as a reply, and the OP (or sometimes a mod) will update the first post with up to date information. I worry about when these sort of forums shut down, that all the knowledge becomes lost, as it's very hard to dig up posts from a dead site.
Facebook based comment threads are just garbage, so hard to follow. I also hate the idea of single vendor lock-in.
I thought it was Air Traffic Controllers.
Backups were ineffective. 30% of our users lost their home directories permanently. He never lived it down. Check your backups!
IT always says "Don't store stuff on your local hard drive, store it on the network drive where it's regularly backed up!". I still think I'm better off storing on my hard drive, and managing local backups. Particularly where the user's private network drive has a retention policy of 1 year, after which it guarantees the files are deleted.
And also after I filed a ticket with IT when a user deleted another user's file on the network drive. Two week's later IT STILL couldn't find the backup tape from the ninth... That was one file, imagine losing the whole server.
Shared network drives also have a tendency of people accidentally dragging and dropping a subdir into another subdir.
All of which is to say, DVDs weren't in HD. Or, at least, the use of DVDs to support HD was never adopted in the mainstream, though there were some efforts to do so.
DVDs are substantially higher resolution than VHS, particularly after several watchings.
Blu-rays are sometimes not worth the hassle (though it's easy to pirate HD content without the hassle)
Patents at least have a half ways sensible length. 20 years. For a physically device, possibly something that could save a life.
Copyright is author dead + 70 years. Mostly for entertainment material. WTF?
I'll go one better on that... I know of one that was up for a couple of decades and finally failed, and when they went looking for it, they had to break through some drywall into an odd corner of a closet where it had accidentally been sealed off by construction contractors.
You mean the one everyone read about 16 years ago
Slashdot Article
Thank you, I thought I was the only one. I have apps on my phone where I cannot tell if those on-off toggles are meant to indicate it's on or off. Use checkboxes, damn it.
As I recall the check boxes on Android Gingerbread weren't entirely clear... because the check was there when selected or unselected, it just changed color.
I always thought the Huffington Post was just a clickbait site.
There are 700 computers to fix. 16 staff members each working 40h/week at the rate of 1 machine/2h will take.... 2.2 weeks.
Meh, you need to basically force it to boot from some kind of other media with a script on it. I could hack something together with linux to restore an identical image to each pc, and there are no doubt packages that make it trivially easy. They shouldn't need 2h a machine. The biggest annoyance is probably dealing with windows product numbers. That might be easier just to update manually. Of course if you created a linux image then it is easier.
It shouldn't be that hard to have the machines load an image automatically by first checking a remote server after boot. You could wait till the OS boots, check for an update via wget, then if it is there, you write the non active partition and then update where grub points. Sure there are details to work out and sometimes you will need manual intervention, but it is all scriptable..
Of course, in practice, find the software that already exists to automate the job and be done with it. No need to roll a custom solution.
Windows volume licence should take care of licencing automatically (deployed image will find the KMS). While a machine might take up to 2h to deploy (seems extreme, hopefully no more than 30 min), you can have several machines working away at once. Very little of that time should involve human interaction.
LOL, block Word documents. That would be fun to explain to your userbase, and management.
Thankfully in the intervening decades Microsoft put more effort to discourage and disallow active (Macro) content, to the point of having a seperate extension that could be blocked (.xlsm), and distrusting internet sourced files.
My favorite Microsoft security feature was when these HTML tags:
<img src="con">
<img src="com1">
<img src="nul">
Would cause a BSOD on Win 9x. Good times were had posting to forums with linked images. Same era as pinging people on IRC with the payload "+++ATH0"
Somebody can want Android without wanting the entire collection of Google apps. Apps for Google services that are pre-installed typically include Chrome, Gmail, Maps, Calendar, Photos, Hangouts, Books, Games, Movies & TV, Music, Docs, Sheets, Slides, Drive, Google Settings (that's separate from the Settings app that deals with basic OS stuff), and YouTube. I use the Google infrastructure extensively so I'm happy to have all of those around, but other people may prefer alternatives or not use those functions at all.
Worst of it is these apps take up space in the initial load, and they have undoubtly been updated. So space is taken for the factory copy, plus the update pulled from Play store. Same idea with the OS. Flash storage always has the factory OS (with outdated google apps) PLUS the updated OS (with copies of outdated google apps) PLUS the latest update to these apps.
Installing a clean ROM, and Opengapps pico or nano Then you only have the up to date copy of only the apps you want. I'll install Chrome, Gmail, maps, Youtube... that's about it.
Going from a Tablet that shipped with ICE + several Jellybean updates, to a clean ROM of Marshmellow with Opengapps pico, I was surprised at how much less space was taken by the base OS.
I have KatKiss Marshmallow on an old Asus tablet. Stock ROM was limited to Jellybean, and the thing was a horribly slow piece of shit. The fact that I can run an OS as new as I can (there's even builds available for Nougat but I haven't bothered), on a device this old (2012) is amazing. I can take advantage of F2FS which makes the crappy flash memory perform not so crappy.
I was also amazed at how much space is wasted on the flash memory with the standard OS update process. By installing the bare OS from scratch, and only the Google Apps I want, it hardly uses any flash, leaving plenty of the 32GB free.
They believe that by pirating an old movie that they refuse to make available on DVD or streaming, you're not paying to watch the latest Transformers flick.
Which is why copyright terms should be similar to patents. After 20 years you've made your money, now focus on new content.
Then the apartment building was not built to code and the engineer should be in jail. Have a look at the Ronan Point explosion to see how this works. The gas company and the company making the gas appliances were not at fault, the engineers were for making an unsafe building.
The size of fire a phone battery explosion can create should not be able to do more than inconvenience other apartment dewellers into exiting the building for a day. Otherwise we would have entire apartment buildings burning down every time some dumbass forgot to turn off the stove.
Some low rise (3 level) apartment buildings are made of wood construction. There's enough potential there for a fire in one unit to burn the place down. Everyone should make it out alive, but at great inconvenience.
I've also seen a 12 story building where a sprinkler line went off on the 12th floor. The residents of that entire wing of that building was removed for 6 months to rebuild after the water damage.
And how exactly does "://" signify that Mozilla is about more than the browser, when most people only see "://" in web addresses?
In firefox you don't even see it in the address bar unless you're at an https site
Is the current organization even capable of such things?
I ask, because I haven't been impressed with what I've seen so far.
In my opinion, Firefox has gotten progressively worse release after release, sometimes with huge usability blunders. The Australis UI debacle was particularly painful. Then there have been the many smaller, yet unjustifiable, debacles like Hello and Pocket. Meanwhile, Firefox still uses way more memory than Chrome, Opera, Safari or Vivaldi do on my system, while feeling so much slower to me, even without any extensions installed.
I feel they went off the rails starting with V4.0. I remember the excitement with the release of V3.0, and the count of Downloads. Starting with V4, they did the "new version every 20 minutes", and changed the UI needlessly without addressing performance issues. It felt less like "us vs. them" in the war on browsers, and more like "ugg, another update, this is as annoying as Abobe Reader / Flash"
To turn the word SAD! into an emoji.
Well it'd be no good on Slashdot anyways.
On properly supported hardware I don't mind 8.1. There's some under the hood improvements, as well as some nice tweaks: Win+X menu, task manager.
However Classic Shell is required, and the settings menus are inconsistent. Half are desktop Control panels, half are metro settings.
Windows 10 didn't do much to fix the identity crisis in the UI, the start menu is still terrible, and you give up complete control of your computer. It took Windows 10 to make Windows 8.1 look good.
Many people only use their computers to browse the web and access their email. An OS that only allows that would be criticized by /. for being too locked down and not general purpose, but for the vast majority of consumers this would be perfect.
Isn't that basically Chromebooks?
1. Of course I want to watch it on TV!! I didn't buy plasma and now OLED TV's to watch content on a small computer screen when at home. I have the video and sound system in my living room to get a movie theater experience, so I want a good image and sound quality source.
I assume your plasma and now OLED TV must have inputs which can be connected to a PC. Something like HDMI, or even VGA. I use my Chromecast as an intermediary
2. I've seen some kodi. Most of what was initially demo'ed to me, was live tv feeds from somewhere in Russia or eastern Europe. My other question is....is this legal content? I'm guessing it is grey area at best.....and if illegal, how is my kodi receiver receiving the signal? Where does it come from? Is it traceable like a torrent is?
Grey market at best. General best experience is through "Exodus" Addon (which is not an "official" addon, so the Kodi team can maintain they have nothing to do with it). It will scavage "streaming sites" for locations to get videos, and show the sources. A lot are on "GVIDEO", aka "Google Video". Haven't figured out yet if these are hidden Youtube videos, hidden Google drive files, or what. But Exodus doesn't use Torrents (some addons do).
Torrents are easily tracable because of the Peer to Peer nature, the MPAA/RIAA can connect to the swarm and harvest IPs to sent threatening letters to the ISPs. Streaming sites won't turn that over without a court order.
What saddens me is that there's so little discoverability with these tricks. Those are just buried who-knows-where so you get the tribal knowledge by coworker word of mouth when you're already on the inside, or by random web-browsing as you're looking for other things. Think of Windows key shortcuts. Up till Windows 8 I think there were just a few, so I was unaware that W8 added a whole bunch.
At some point I start looking up keyboard hot-key lists. Always trying to find tricks to make things quicker. The random web-browsing as you say. Best one for >=W8 is Win+X which shows the same menu as right clicking the bottom left corner of the screen. Ready access to lots of power user functions. I don't think they have even gotten around to fucking it up in W10 yet.
But back at discoverability, it saddens me that with all text now gone from menus, or menu icons replaced by hamburgers, and even the menus gone altogether (thanks, Google et copycats > _ < ). Long gone are the days when you'd see menu shortcuts.
Agree on the useless discover-ability. Everything now must be "Me no know how to read. Me need point and grunt screen" (que appy app guy). I like how menus used to shows Ctrl+ hotkeys, and pressing alt would highlight alt-key shortcuts. I also dislike how function keys are now a second class citizen. Instead the buttons primary function is volume up, volume down, or they are doubled up on the number keys.
Hey - I resemble that remark, although my current goto is ctl-alt-left arrow. I assume no responsibility for neck injuries resulting from use of the aforementioned keyboard combo. :)
I have no idea why Intel ever made this a fucking shortcut. I have never in my life seen anyone use this function intentionally. I have seen countless people accidentally hit it, with no idea how to get back.
Most recently was a forklift driver.
Forklift driver on radio : "Uhh maintenance, the screen on my forklift is showing sideways"
Electrician: "Uhh. What?"
Me to electrician: "Tell him to press Ctrl+alt+up arrow"
Electrician: "Uhh. Try Ctrl+alt+up arrow"
Forklift driver: "Wow. That fixed it"
No you won't -- VHS tapes are awful. You need to obtain the VHS audiophile TUBE system to actually enjoy the entire experience.
D-VHS was the first way to get high definition prerecorded videos for playback at home, predating Bluray and HD-DVD.
I've got 2000 Toyota Camry for sale right right now. Adjusted for inflation from what I paid new 2000 ($24,000) at half price (adjusted) that comes to $16,000. Current blue book is about $3000.
Does it have a functioning tape deck?