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Microsoft: Windows 7 Does Not Meet the Demands of Modern Technology; Recommends Windows 10 (neowin.net)
In a blog post, Microsoft says that continued usage of Windows 7 increases maintenance and operating costs for businesses. Furthermore, time is needlessly wasted on combating malware attacks that could have been avoided by upgrading to Windows 10. A report on Neowin adds: Microsoft also says that many hardware manufacturers do not provide drivers for Windows 7 any longer, and many developers and companies refrain from releasing programs on the outdated operating system. Markus Nitschke, Head of Windows at Microsoft Germany, had the following to say about Windows 7: "Today, it [Windows 7] does not meet the requirements of modern technology, nor the high security requirements of IT departments. As early as in Windows XP, we saw that companies should take early steps to avoid future risks or costs. With Windows 10, we offer our customers the highest level of security and functionality at the cutting edge.
1) Use Windows 7 and maybe get infected with malware.
or
2) Use Windows 10 and definitely have malware built right in.
...Windows 7 does not meet the needs of NSA, and Microsoft's marketing department, and whoever else they're selling all of your Windows 10 "telemetry" to.
Film at 11...
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They just don't like being spied upon...
Windows 10 DOES have more security for me than windows 7.
An OS that you never load is truly the most secure.
(I'm staing on win 7 and hoping that all my games get ported to linux)
_ _ _ Go for the eyes Boo! GO FOR THE EYES!
"We still REALLY want to get you on Win 10. Our tricks and coercions did not work very well so anything we can do to scare you over is a good thing".
I suspect there is some truth to what they say, but the reality is that Windows 10 has had many unstable updates. Companies can turn these off or defer them, but the home user has no recourse. And for mission critical applications, Windows 10 has shown to be not reliable as you never know when an update that you can't eliminate might break your system.
Furthermore, time is needlessly wasted on combating malware attacks that could have been avoided by upgrading to Windows 10.
I assume that they mean all the time and effort people put into preventing Win10 from installing by hook or by crook.
Time to offend someone
Of course Microsoft is going to criticise their own old versions of Windows and recommend people to upgrade to the latest. Why is this even news? ...).
Also, their incredible insistence in people upgrading to 10 makes it clear they learnt with Windows XP that people don't rush to upgrade to a new OS if they're happy with what they have. Also that they had a plan to make a lot of money off Win 10 even if people upgraded for free (increased used of MS' services (bing, hotmail, their cloud service), data gathering, people buying from the Windows Store
And pretty obvious that "Windows 7 increases maintenance and operating costs for businesses" actually means "we'll make less money if you don't upgrade".
Maybe if you gave people what they want people would willingly update to your latest OS instead of rejecting it even when given away for free.
Make a Windows 7 with the internals of 10 and I'll upgrade.
Or does it still open 400+ connections to pull multi-gigabyte files every time, taking up all available bandwidth, and shutting down everything else on the network?
Windows 10 is literally not usable without an update server to let you control this, since they have apparently removed all controls for who much bandwidth it uses to pull updates. And it makes your entire network unusable, as well.
You mean I can't type out a Word document, read my email or visit a web site using Windows 7 because it's so insecure?
Well now, whose fault is that?
The first posts are pretty much what one would have expected. Many people have concerns with Windows/10 telemetry. But it's still a more secure OS than Windows/7. There are an incredible number of security features built-in to thwart malware. Stack sentinels, call graph protection, delayed freeing of memory, et cetera. I'm in no way advocating for the telemetry data. You can disable it in the Enterprise edition of Windows. I don't like this business decision from Microsoft. But I'd still rather the telemetry data than other malware. The snide quips that show up in articles like this add no value to the discussion.
The year of the Linux desktop has been forced upon us by your impetuous greed; no other market force was as strong.
Give my regards to Linus.
I received Windows 10 updates on my laptop again yesterday. Took me 48 minutes to get my machine back. Booted into Blank screen that would not display anything. The cursor was gone. I finally figured out it was defaulting to a page off screen somewhere. Had to google for a fix on another computer.
WTF does that mean?
It is actually quite simple. From a technical perspective, Windows 10 *IS* more secure than Windows 7 in one very major regard. Edge (Win10 bundled browser) is far superior in both functionality and security compared to Internet Explorer (Win7 bundled browser)
BUT NOBODY FUCKING USES EITHER BROWSER, SO IT IS A MOOT POINT!
So yes, TECHNICALLY speaking, Windows 10 is "more secure", but nobody is using the insecure parts of Windows 7. Simple as that.
How does that work for you for win 10 ? Nuff said.
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No one wants to spend support money on two versions of the OS anymore, Including M$, the hardware driver providers, etc.. It would be cheaper for IT departments to only support one as well.
Have you fscked your local propeller head today?
And when WMC becomes an option in Windows 11, then I'll think about it.
How often have you seen the Blue Ring of Death since Win10?
All your database are belong to U.S.
"Windows 10 makes it easier to spy on you and track your every move."
I remember back in the mid-2000s when, right here on slashdot, people used to say "they (Microsoft) may be crooks, but at least they don't spy on you like Apple and Google". It turns out they had the same amount of respect for your privacy as the others (i.e. zero) -- they were just late to the game.
It doesn't meet the modern demand of reporting everything you do with your computer back to several companies. It doesn't remotely preload ads software you don't.
Such a primitive OS.
Microsoft has pledged to provide all necessary security updates until 2020, so either Microsoft is lying and Windows 7 is fine or that you Microsoft can't be trusted with Windows 10's security either. The whole "security" argument for upgrading is a dead end.
Windows 10 does have plenty of little improvements - nobody has ever said otherwise. What's keeping people more than 75% of all desktop users away from 10 isn't a lack of improvements, but all the unresolved problems with 10 that simply aren't present in 7.
Win 10 looks after my many country cousins perfectly well (with 'Anti-Beacon' installed). Back here I still struggle to keep a bootable XP hard drive stable, as there's so much legacy software that still MUST run.
Anyway, I've never had a problem with my windows that couldn't be fixed with a little windex and elbow grease.
Windows 10 by far the most disgusting OS, of -ALL TIME-
I shit you not I would literally rather use Windows 98, or ME, than 8 or 10. What an abomination.
The biggest threat to Microsoft's revenue growth is not Linux or Apple, or even mobile. It is older versions of Windows. They have had a history of denigrating older versions. When Windows 95 came out they cried: "at last we have got rid of the 'hated' Program Manager". With Windows 2000 it was "NT failed the Ballmer Boy's test".
Now we find that Windows 7 is useless, bug infested and insecure. It always was but it was the best that Microsoft could do. They just want your money.
Just two simple things will encourage me to upgrade to Windows 10
1) Allow us to disable all your telemetry features without having to air-gap the system.
2) Allow all users ( not just enterprise ) to disable your automatic-updates
Remedy those two issues and I'll move on past Windows 7 for my internet connected systems.
or !
I'll even entertain a third option.
That being Microsoft assumes full financial responsibility for any and all productivity loss due to the release of one of their " forced " updates.
As soon as Win7 stops doing what I need it to do (and that'll probably be sooner, rather than later, if M$ has their way), I'm gone.
I hate to get sentimental... but I was always one of the people cheer leading for them whenever one of my buddies tried to convince me that apple was superior. Now? They're just cashing in on big data like every other tech conglomerate.
To them, I only have three words: Not for sale.
I will not be moving to windows 10 for my everyday machine. My current desktop which is "good enough" will be my last windows desktop. When it comes time to replace and/or upgrade, I will be moving to a linux distro full time.
The only reason I've kept windows around this long is gaming, and honestly if it comes to it in the future, I'll just have two separate machines. One I use like a console and one I use for everything else.
The telemetry, forced updates, forced advertising, horrible UI changes, and the companies general attitude of acting like my machine is really their machine is why I feel this way. It's clear that I am not their customer and they do not have my best interests in mind.
Microsoft believes that our PCs belong to them. They need to lose more market share.
The Windows app store is not something that we all want. It should be an optional add-on for all versions of Windows.
Some of us also like Aero. Windows 8 removed Aero simply because mobile devices could not run it well in Windows RT. We are asked to give up Aero solely because of Microsoft's mobile platform that failed in the market and was essentially discontinued.
Microsoft, we refuse.
If you're using proprietary software, you're subject to the design and implementation choices of your software's owner (because they no longer sell software, they license it). That's why the desktop icon says "My Computer" and not "Joe Sixpack's Computer". Now, get in, sit down, strap in, shut up and hang on!
Windows 10 is great, it works fine in my virtual machine.
Granted, I don't give it network access, either internal or external, deny it usb access, and I transfer files to a secondary VHD partition and only allow windows the files I need/want it to see.
When I'm finished, I roll back the state of the OS, so it basically saw nothing.
Microsoft software works great on virtual machines. They can't handle real hardware well, but give it simple enough hardware to understand, and it performs ok.
There is always the odd windows app that only works in windows and is "WINE" resistant. Just treat windows like a blind date, don't let it into your house, don't tell it more than you need to, and always, always use protection.
Microsoft says that continued usage of Windows 78, 8.1 and 10 increases maintenance and operating costs for businesses. Furthermore, time is needlessly wasted on combating malware attacks that could have been avoided by upgrading to macOS. Businesses like IBM save money with each of the 100,000 Macs that they have Deployed this year.
For twenty years we thought "My Computer" meant *my* computer. Now we know it was Bill Gates (and Ballmer, Nadella, et al) claiming *your* computer as *theirs*. (Your computer is my computer!)
Suddenly it all makes sense.
FUCK Micro$oft.
DOS - Install
Windows 3.1 - Skip
Windows 95 - Install
Windows 98 - Wasn't that just an upgrade...?
Windows Workstation - Install but only if you really need to. Wait, skip. I'm confused
Windows 2000 - Install
Windows ME - Skip (Ha ha ha. Ha ha HA. HA HA HA HAAA! HA!)
Windows XP - Install and wait five years
Windows Vista - Skip
Windows 7 - Install under duress and wait seven years
Windows 8 - Skip. This is a joke, right? I mean - this one is just for tablets.
Windows 10 - IT HASN'T BEEN SEVEN YEARS YEST! Wait, has it? Did Windows 8 count? I thought they were just kidding. I'm confused again.
If you disable the "recommended updates" you don't appear to get any of the "old" telemetry - but it may all be back in the rollups and we would never know.
The old telemetry updates could be removed with the following:
wusa /uninstall /kb:Patch# /quiet /norestart
The patches to remove are: 3065988, 3083325,3083324, 2976978, 3075853, 3065987, 3050265, 3050267, 3075851, 2902907, 3068708, 3022345, 2952664, 2990214, 3035583, 971033, 3021917, 3044374, 3046480, 3075249, 3080149.
How can Microsoft claim that "Windows 7 doesn't meet the demands for modern Technology"? Technology hasn't changed enough since the release of Windows 7! We are still using computers that operate on transistor-based digital electronics. Public acceptance of Quantum computers is still at least a decade away.
Microsoft, I propose a new headline: "Windows 10 doesn't meet the demands for customer usability".
Is still running fine on test equipment. The manufacturer says do not upgrade to any other version of Windows.
Microsoft has lost all credibility with me, and I'll give up on Windows 7 when I need some third-party software that won't run on Windows 7. I don't expect that to be very soon. Microsoft's greed knows no bounds: I buy my computer...and they want to have sole authority over how I am allowed to use it with their software. I buy my own products, but M$ deems it essential that I be a data source for their sale of information about me, collected without my permission from my computer. They have removed all customer rights from their "agreements," so they now hold all the rights, and I am left without legal protection from further offensive actions on their part.
I am retired now (after 55 years in the computer industry), and they treat me as a bottomless revenue source, without bothering to communicate with me...or, through their lack of competent support, my ability to communicate with them. (Fortunately, I've removed most of the spyware--aka telemetry "updates"--they've foisted of on me, and blocked known harvesting IP addresses from accessing my network.
We, as an industry, allowed Microsoft to become so arrogant and self-serving, by continuing to buy their progressively-more-invasive and bug-laden products, and rewriting all their "license" terms to eliminate any rights I may have had. It took me a full six months to finally resolve all the Windows Update bugs they distributed to their customers over the past two years.
If I am forced to change my operating system and security systems, because they build in "alternate routes" through my defenses, it will be to Linux or Android. At least, then, I'm not PAYING to be abused.
How is this here? It's an obvious marketing statement on a Microsoft blog . No shit they recommend upgrading. I bet there are other MS blogs recommending upgrades for all kinds of products they make. So how the hell does this come close to "news"? Much less news /. should care about?
I browse on +1 so AC's need not respond, I won't see it.
As others have pointed out, Windows 10 is bundled with malware right from Microsoft, in the form of spyware and adware. Forced updates happening at inconvenient times can leave a win 10 almost useless, particular if what you are trying to do is CPU intensive. There is a lot of lost productivity around the way MS has forced updates, even when they don't break something important. I know people that just gave up on the personal win 10 laptops because they just couldn't use them when they wanted. Updates on Win 7 are not entirely painless but you can at least schedule them for a more convenient time.
My workplace is on Win 7 and I cannot see them changing to 10.
I'm writing this on my Linux desktop which does not come bundled with malware and where updates can be run without interfering with using the computer. Win 10 has providest the greatest boost to Linux adoption that I've even seen.
Windows 10 = Malware .
For everything else, use Linux.
When counting the cost are they counting in all the breakage that windows updates have caused for win 10?
That is a huge number for most people.
I co-own a small IT services company and one part of the business is basic IT support. In that we have just over 500 customer computers under management and during 2016 the on average 147 windows 10 computers have had an average of 3.4 problem tickets each. The on average 304 windows 7 computers have had an average 0.8 problem tickets each. That is a factor of more than 4!! (The numbers do not contain planned maintenance, new software installation/version upgrade, hardware installation or similar events, just the "something is broken fix it!" classified things.)
Windows 10 = get the most modern spy technology today!
Windows 7 is starting to run way too smoothly and you may feel like you don't need to upgrade your hardware. To fix that perception you need to upgrade to Windows 10. You'll be swearing at your fucking slow computer again in no time. I mean, imagine if we let people still use Windows 95. The sheer speed would make their heads spin.
It should read "Microsoft no longer meets requirements for public use." Its obvious they have become paddlers of spyware and addware, and are abusing their position to jam it down the throat of the unsuspecting masses. It's clear that they no longer bring any value to the market other than parts of it that are no use for society. It's time to revoke their charter. Goodbye, Microsoft.
With Windows 10, we offer our customers the highest level of massive data harvesting.
I still consider Windows 10 to basically be in beta. Too many things are still broken in it and still continue to be broken.
Windows 7 is stable, reliable, and works fine. The goofy Windows 10 hybrid touch UI simply doesn't work well for an office desktop environment.
I usually skip the transitional operating systems (anyone remember ME and Vista?). Maybe Microsoft will get it right with windows 11?
I agree.
MS was finally on the right track with Windows 7 and released a fine quality OS that was stable. Then they fired the QA team and Windows 10 while has cool features it is a bugfest. If you do not do what grandma does who upgrades from 7 and just does basic things your use case NEVER GETS TESTED. If you do a fresh install of WIndows 10 BAM bugs (finally fixed last summer) as grandma doesn't install the OS. Hyper-V? Crashes for me as grandma or Joe six pack doesn't run it so no bug reports filed etc.
I hope later this or early 2018 MS hires them back before EOL for Windows 7. At least Windows 7 was more stable and reliable than XP was when XP was EOL and businesses still complained and freaked out.
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Bite it.
All proprietary software should be suspected of being malware. Microsoft Windows before version 10 was known to not behave in the user's interest and certainly not in the user's control (as per the definition of proprietary software). Microsoft tried pushing a Windows 10 "upgrade" on users by force, for example. Other "features" in Windows 10 (such as ignoring a user's privacy settings and doing what is in Microsoft's interest) were simply more along this line. Microsoft's aggressive sales tactics pointed to in this /. story are another example. In time there will be an announcement that Windows 7 will no longer receive updates and the hard sell for Windows 10 (or some other Windows variant) will continue. The question for all Windows users is how much more treatment like this they'd like to receive. It's never been easier to switch to a fully free software OS and run nothing but free software on top of that.
Digital Citizen
Linux Mint
new guns and more ammunition.
many developers and companies refrain from releasing programs on the outdated operating system
That's some very nice weasel wording they have there. I'm sure it's so many that they can't even count. Talk about FUD.
Meanwhile, back here in reality, the project I'm on has been around since Windows 3.1. We only just incremented the minimum supported OS from XP to 7 about 1.5 years ago, and that was only after a significant amount of coaxing on our part to get the client to allow it. But to go beyond 7? As if. We're certainly not coaxing them to bump it up to 8, 8.1, or 10, especially so since none of us use anything above 7 for our own development work (we can, since we have licenses for it, but none of us actually do). The developers are using 7, the clients are using 7, and the clients' clients are using 7. Not a chance we're dropping support anytime soon.
In fact, only one piece of software I use or have looked into (1Password) has dropped support for Windows 7...except that it hasn't. They're concurrently supporting two versions of their app on Windows: their old one that still works just fine and is still getting updates, and their complete rewrite for Windows 10 that's been in beta for quite awhile. It has some shiny new features, but not enough to get me to jump to 10. If that's the only example I can think of, Microsoft will be hard-pressed to convince me to update by using this tactic.
(EDIT: Right as I was about to click submit, I fact-checked myself and discovered that the 1Password devs have back-ported their beta to Windows 7 in the last few months. Now I don't have any examples of apps that have dropped support! Time for Microsoft to take a new tack.)
Isn't this just an advertising post that somehow found its way into the 'green' section of slashdot?
There is a definite conflict of interest here, the company is in business to make money, therefore they will suggest only good things about the current product along with reasons why you should stop using the older and put hand in pocket for newer. If MS asked for one payment only, and that allowed you free choice of the OS and future upgrades, sure that would be reasonable. Essentially you can only use MS Windows to browse the web, for everything else you need to buy additional products, and this is what makes the OS a bad choice. It's a bit like having to buy something to enable you to buy a train ticket. I don't like it.
Why UNIX?
...next to the pile of Windows 7 computers.
This is in part why GNU/Linux hasn't seen much uptake by mostly incompetent technical users trying to sell it. Telling people just what they need to know generally overcomes that concern- but you can't give people who aren't good candidates for it the OS. Somebody whose dependent on Microsoft X for work may not work so well, but grandma and grandpa are no problem. In my experience about half the MS Windows using population is a good candidate and less than 1% switch back in my experience. Most are better served by GNU/Linux and yet until its put in front of them few hear anything about it, or adopt it. I know this because I sold GNU/Linux systems to non-technical users for several years exclusively in the very recent past. Ubuntu 10.04 onward was the hey-day of my selling it to non-technical users and less so in the past 3 years (as I moved from from a sales / support role more into a management role). It actually works really really well as long as users have properly supported hardware (ie the drivers/frimware are all free software and code is available to be integrated and supported by the mainline kernel developers, etc). ThinkPenguin.com is the best source for hardware that actually has such support. After that you see a decline in issues and the support problems people do run into tend to be easy to solve. It tends to be upgrading users from one LTS release to another or installing something like Chrome because Adobe's discontinued flash for Firefox. Ultimately these things are much much much easier to deal with than dealing with the security nightmare that is every version of Microsoft Windows that has ever been released (and yea- I supported Microsoft Windows too- up until 3 years ago).
7 years of time passing shouldn't exclude something from being part of the modern era.
Perhaps we, as consumers, should put our weight behind a platform that is designed from the ground up to be flexible, extensible and maintained. If Microsoft would provide that, then great, if not then we may want to consider alternatives.
Forcing a switch or operating systems every 5-10 years is pretty disruptive to developers, industry and IT.
PS - as a Linux developer I can say that Linux isn't a great choice as a long term platform either. The kernel changes based on pet projects of whichever person is most active on LKML. And binaries tend to break between distros and between distro versions as binary compatibility is rarely considered a desirable features among open source advocates.
PPS - I realize nobody will stop using Windows. Microsoft will have us under their thumb for the rest of our lives.
“Common sense is not so common.” — Voltaire
There are more than a few corporations that don't want to be on the "cutting edge". Supportable and cost effective are the keys. Let the early adopters get bloodied on the cutting edge stuff.
Linux 18 years ago and haven't worried about Windows malware or Microsoft's intrusions since then.
Microsoft patented "Legal Intercept" and after they bought Skype they killed Skype's P2P server system and installed a bunch of Linux servers (they don't eat their own dog food!) to run Skype networking on, each server running Legal Intercept. Using Skype you have NO security or privacy from anyone Microsoft allow$ to use their intercept software.
Running with Linux for over 20 years!
The last 3 W10 updates that happened on my machine gave me a BSoD. The first 2 i managed to fix without a system restore. The last one left me no choice but to do a system restore. I decided to contact microsoft support because for the first time in my life i actually bought an operating system, so I figured i could take advantage of their support. What I ended up having to do was ask the agent how to completely disable updates from ever occurring again.
To my surprise, he told me how to do that, he made me permanently disable a few things in the OS and said that I won't ever get another update. Well, 2 days ago I woke up to a BSoD, when I rebooted it said it was finishing installing updates with a %. After booting up I'd keep getting a BSoD and had to perform another system restore.
No matter how secure an update makes an OS, it does not excuse them to impose them on users like actual malware. I consider W10 updates malware and miss the good old days of me controlling my machine, not the machine controlling me.
For fucks sake. I've supported Windows in my own shop since Windows came out. My crew and I are discussing not supporting 10 to the extent that we have all previous Windows iterations, 8 included. My shop is proud to have a good reputation of getting to the bottom of software and hardware problems almost every time. We are seriously offering a blanket wipe and reinstall ONLY of 10 machines. 10's ability to shit on itself is just absolutely unparalleled and more often than not is simply unfixable. I've gotten to the point where 10 is just not worth the work any more from a business and customer value point of view. The most common problem that's been hitting 10 machines that we're seeing aren't even viruses, but an endless restart loop because a "critical process" crashed. We've contacted Microsoft, who in the beginning instructed a four step/four command process which never worked, but whose solution is to either restart the machine and hope the built-in error correction utilities take care of it or reinstall. It's just not worth it.
Easy peasy
Windows 7: outdated technology
Windows 10: maniacally up-to-date (as the screw turns) EULA
Windows 10 on a pre-Windows 10 EULA: priceless (aka not available at any price)
Backward compatibility is what made microsoft originally great. I mean seriously MS, planned obsolescence? What the fuck happened to gratious phasing out?
You broke d3d9 in win10, horribly (much worse performance, different behavior leads to rendering artifacts). Reasoning that people would suddenly switch to UWP when everything runs like crap or something. Well thank you, if I wanted shoddy legacy API emulation, I can just run wine.
But the body of software using dx9 is still immense (to be xp compat, you need to use dx9). And this is just one of dozens of such examples. While w10 brings a lot of good innovation - it's generally leaner and faster than win7 - it also irrebarably broke key subsystems making a lot of software made before 2014 unusable on windows 10.
Then the fiasco of Win8, skipped 9, Win10. Finally everyone will be brought to Win10 kicking and screaming. And they all will file bug reports with a vengeance. MS developers will bellyache having to fix bugs in win10, while all the really cool assignment goes Win12 teams. But eventually Win10 will get to be actually much better than Win7. Just in time to declare it dead and annoint Win12 as the new king of the hill.
And the cycle will repeat.
Its turtles all the way down. And bugs all the way up.
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I'm waiting for the class action to start in Canada... any day now (;-))
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Windows 7 is no longer an option for games. largest market share=most potential for profit.
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So, we are all supposed to use technology with spyware built in and software that could of been implemented years ago but didn't out of foolish pride, i.e. Bash and Linux features? I'll just stick to actual Linux and not be forced into a cloud app controlled nightmare wet dream of Micro$oft's. You build software that runs fine at 1.2Gz and hardly any RAM only because you force people to be connected to the Internet to do anything, just like ChromeOS. If I'm going to spend money on a laptop, it isn't going to be on anyone's "Trapbook." Everyone, just do yourselves a favor and wipe the Windows and use Linux. They have WINE for running office if you're too lazy to get over using LibreOffice. GIMP for Photoshop people. There is honestly no free and opt source alternative that you can't find as a substitute for what you need. Linux is safer, faster, and far more reliable. If you're a millennial "gamer," you have tons of emulation options, otherwise, just buy a console like a sensible person.
Microsoft seems to forget that it's of its own doing that Windows 7 remains a viable OS being supported today. It is the entity that decides end of life support dates.
For most the fact that Windows 7 kernel is very much similar to Windows 10 and actually receives similar patches for similar security flaws. Also means that Windows 10 isn't a whole lot better. Complaining that IE is another problem is once again the fault of Microsoft. But one must question this too because not many even use IE anymore. Windows 7 users have mostly moved on past IE to Chrome or Firefox. I see nothing wrong with Windows 10 if you decided to take advantage of the free upgrade. But I also feel it's not worth paying for the upgrade if your happy with Windows 7 which is currently supported until Jan 2020.
tell nvidia to put the 1060 at 200 bucks tops in my country and i gladly change to new hardware that requires that fancy windows 10, otherwise fuck you microshaft
That is a huge number for most people.
I co-own a small IT services company and one part of the business is basic IT support. In that we have just over 500 customer computers under management and during 2016 the on average 147 windows 10 computers have had an average of 3.4 problem tickets each. The on average 304 windows 7 computers have had an average 0.8 problem tickets each. That is a factor of more than 4!! (The numbers do not contain planned maintenance, new software installation/version upgrade, hardware installation or similar events, just the "something is broken fix it!" classified things.)
These statistics aren't very useful without context. Did you categorize all the problems so we can see that distribution? Do you know all the root causes for all the problems and can specifically attribute each of those root causes to a Windows 7 specific issue and also explain how Windows 10 would have made the problem not occur? I see IT departments do this all time. You folks have a tendency to put forth very superficial information and make claims about it but not really know all the details to actually substantiate your claim.
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Breaking News- Company recommends customers buy its product! Film at 11.
Quailty is 100$ assured.
"Microsoft also says that many hardware manufacturers do not provide drivers for Windows 7 any longer, and many developers and companies refrain from releasing programs on the outdated operating system."
Who cares? If you've got win7, you probably also have old hardware that already has drivers. That's kind of the whole thing that people like about windows 7.
Breaking news...
Thank you so much for this! I did not know this! I'm removing the last four rollups tonight!
Better tell Nvidia that. GeForce GTX 1080 has drivers for Windows 7.....
And let someone else look after Win7. If it's not worth anything, how can "piracy" be a loss to you, hmm?
can i make a comment that is literally just "no shit"? if so that is my comment to this headline.
I've seen several people say that Windows 10 is full of spyware, and stay on Windows 7 or even XP (though the XP proponents seem to finally be falling off).
This sort of argument bothers me, because it is very short-term thinking. Will you continue to use Windows 7 for the next 30 years, as it does not receive security updates, cannot run the latest software including latest browsers, and generally won't include drivers for the latest devices and protocols?
Do you think Microsoft cares about your complaints when they know you will eventually cave in within 5 years because you can't leave Windows for various reasons? Every version of Windows adds more spyware of some kind, started in the browser and has worked its way elsewhere.
The only solution is to reject Windows and proprietary software that does this kind of spying. Switch to your favorite flavor of Linux or BSD. Doesn't matter which, just that its free software. Otherwise, what are you doing? Are you going to continue complaining yet taking it every release of Windows?
No thanks Microshit. Malware ain't a problem on my end because i'm soon moving to Linux,
and retaining Windows 7 pirated is something i will completely sandbox except for online access for games only.
I'd rather eat a bag of shit and experience ransomeware than use Windows 10. Especially as a Desktop user.
Besides, Valve and GoG are making sure to steadily port old games to Linux via 3rd party coding,
while newer games are more and more frequently getting Linux support.
Even Adobe products are getting better and better with regards to Linux support.
You can politely go fuck yourselves with a cactus wrapped in barbed wire, because that's how it feels using your products these days, including Skype.
Repeat a lie a thousand times and it becomes the truth. They're just spreading propaganda. Pure self-interest.
There is no analysis done, just raw data from our ticket system. I took the category that translates to about "software problems" that is used for all problems that are found to come from system and or/installed programs(as opposed to hardware problems) and selected "windows 7" and "windows 10" as operating system respectively and 2016 as the period.
Also the average fix time in terms of man hours spent is higher on win 10 problems, but that might be at least partly due to the technicians not being as familiar with windows 10 as windows 7 so I would not make any claim on how hard they are compared to each other on that front, just on the raw number of separate problems.
The thing definitely does not differentiate between things like Windows problems, Software incompatible with windows 10 and so on. But in the end all those are real costs in terms of time spent on the problem regardless of the cause. The windows 10 systems cause a LOT more problems that need fixing.
In time the windows 10 problems will likely lessen as more software companies fix incompatibilities with windows 10 system changes and historically Microsoft tends to get their operating systems stable within a few years of introduction so the relative situation will be interesting to see in a year and two years, but for now the situation with win 10 is bad...
MS: Windows 7 Does Not Meet the Demands of Microsoft's Monetization Goals; MS Recommends Windows 10. Will stoop to damaging Windows 7 to get better adoption numbers. Has army of lawyers to crush any opposition.
The reality is that computers as an industry have come a long way in maturing. Yes, there will still be innovation, but I expect that the disruptions requiring a new OS to be markedly reduced from 20 years ago. I have multiple PCs running Windows 7, and I see no reason to upgrade. MS trying to shat on my systems by sabotaging Windows 7 does not improve my disposition towards MS. My ~6 year old i5 Quad core with 16GB ram and SSD boot and GTX 560 still does everything that I want it to do. I used to upgrade my video card every 6 months and my whole PC every year or so, but the rate of growth and the delta of the improvements in functionality have greatly diminished. Further, with the spyware and crap advertisements loaded into windows 10, when I do get to the point of needing to upgrade, I will probably be going to Apple, who makes stuff that just works without all the hassle of an MS system. If I actually need a windows platform, I can use boot camp or something similar to run Windows software. I might look into Linux, but honestly, for me it is a deal breaker if I have to futz with the OS/drivers for more than 30 minutes to get devices/drivers to work. The last time I played with Linux (admittedly years ago), it was just useless unless you were a software engineer. (From what I understand, Apple is basically a Linux distro that just works with their custom hardware anyway).
If you disagree, please post your argument. (-1, Overrated) isn't your personal censorship tool for views you don't like
White tube socks are modern technology -- they are used by lots of people today, and they haven't been replaced. One of my clients manufactures tube socks in 2017, the same way they did in 1980. They don't need windows 10.
So, my question is very simply this: which businesses/industries need modern technology to operate? Oh, right, computer industries.
Well, computers for computer industries. Not a big surprise. For for everything else, for every business that existed 100 years ago, no need.
I quickly browsed 100 tickets for win 10 in the software category and 43 had a windows update noted as cause or probable cause for the problem. It is of course fully unscientific, but if it is the same for the full range of tickets then that is almost 1.5 problems on average with windows update/computer/year.
(all titles below are approximate translations to English)
Several mentions of things like:
"Computer goes into loop on start after it had restarted itself for windows update" at least 4 of these
"Program X stops working" with a further comment that it had happened after windows update or version update. at least 5 of these with 2 being local file database corruption in some older program.
"Windows update never ends" At at least 3 of these
"Program X no longer works after new windows release" at least 3 of these.
"Printer settings lost after windows 10 version upgrade" at least 6 of these. All of these in the fall update.
(I say at least as I started counting when I noticed the same type of issue reoccur and it was a fairly quick scan so might have missed some of the same)
and the most fun one: :)
"Windows 10 constantly restarts the computer for updates every 10 minutes even if you tell it not to"
The closest example I can think of as a parallel to this is the baby furniture industry. After decades of crib manufacturers trying to invent a drop-side crib that doesn't fail and kill a small number of infants every year, the government put its foot down and said 'no more'. Now you cannot buy a drop-side crib anywhere in the US, and I'm pretty sure the furniture companies have made at least some attempt to tell everybody not to buy them second-hand or use them anymore.
Pens, pencils, paper, typewriters, and filing cabinets.
Holy smokes, the bashing on Windows 10 is alarmingly prolific here. So I'll just chime in, yet again, with my experiences with Windows 10, and perhaps address some of the bashing I'm seeing, cuz I think it's really excessive and mostly unsubstantiated complaints.
First my experience: It works. That is my basic two word conclusion on Windows 10. It does what I ask it to do, and it doesn't seem to have stability problems on my systems, or any system I've installed it on. For clarity, I refurbish old laptops, and I install Windows 10 on every one of them. As far back as Celeron and Core Duo CPU systems (along with AMD Turion64 X2's.) These are 5-10 year old laptops and Windows 10 runs like a champ on them. It's faster in every use case I've tested (web browsing, watching videos, using LibreOffice applications.) Windows 10 also seems to like Windows 7 and 8 drivers, so finding drivers for old hardware, while challenging at times, is possible. And they work in Windows 10 without issue, from my experience.
Now on to some bashing, we'll start with force updates that everyone complains the most about. Sorry, but this is a necessary evil, because muggles won't f'ing upgrade their systems, leaving them vulnerable and they just don't give a flying f. The only way to address this needless insecurity is to force updates. Personally I don't mind, I like to be running latest and greatest anyway, but just keep in mind, its the idiots who refuse to upgrade their crap that brought this upon us all. Deal with it. For drivers causing PROBLEMS when updated (I've had this too), Microsoft has since day 1 had a tool to disable updates on specific hardware in your machine. So stop whining and use that tool when necessary.
Insecure computers connected to the internet AFFECT ALL OF US, and since that includes way too many non-technical (aka muggles) people, who refuse to update when asked to, we have to force you, to protect ALL OF US from YOUR insecure system.
Next: Spying. Telemetry. Malware. So much accusations. Has anyone actually taken apart the packets being sent to M$ to see what the hell is being sent? I didn't think so, I haven't seen any reporting on precisely what is being sent. But I have a pretty good educated guess. Usage statistics, performance markers, errors that occur, those are the basic things that're sent home. Probably shoved into a giant database along with every other computer that reports back. I highly doubt anyone can successfully take telemetry data out of this database and tie it back to some individual. So who cares? The data they're collecting is almost certainly aggregated and filed into huge DB's, it's helping M$ engineers design better updates to address issues we don't even know about. At the enhanced level of reporting (which you can turn off) it also supposedly sends info on what applications you're using, and how long they're running. Again.. why does this bother anyone? Do you really think you're so important that someone actually cares what you're doing with your PC? Again, probably all shoved into a DB and used to better understand what users do with their computers, not to spy on you. You're not that important, sorry.
Telemetry isn't exclusive to Microsoft. Debian Linux has been doing telemetry since, uh, well since I started using it, in 1999 or 2000. True, it's completely optional and it asks you during installation if you'd like to participate. But somehow, because you can optout easily, its ok that Linux does Telemetry. Talk about double standard.
About the only legitimate complaint about Windows 10 I can agree with is already over with...the overly aggressive upgrade campaign with some underhanded UI choices to trick people into upgrading. That was bad and uncalled for, but it's also over now, so can't really bitch about this anymore.
Network saturation. This is a new complaint I'm seeing posted here. Not sure what people are doing, but I do not experience this problem. I often have 4, 5, sometimes 6, laptops doing u
Dear Microsoft,
STFU.
Thank You.
Table-ized A.I.
Okay, seriously. What do you expect MS to say. "Windows 7 is more private so stick with that?". Right. Recently MS released an update that have the option of "send less of your data". but no option to turn it off completely. And it's VERY difficult to turn automatic updates off (you have to basically hack it to bring that to a stop but telling it your network is metered. Would you trust anyone who puts in such lack of user controls and extraction of metadata from every file the OS sees? Those who want to lower cost in maintenance in setting up traps to stop leaking data and stopping auto updates from adding even more stuff you don't want, go to Linix (Mint Linux is the easiest). It's an easy choice world. Ms pushing people so they can collect more data for themselves (and the NSA) is creepy. We all need to say a simple word to MS: "No".
"Imagination is more important than knowledge" - Einstein
... [atleast in Win7/8.1] said that the user agrees to any and all audits by the licensor or their partners on all machines in the licensee's ownership. Hell no.
Who are they trying to fool?
But then I look at election results, and their business model looks solid again.
The part that I have not seen in this discussion is how Windows 10 deals with hardware control issues and specialized interfaces. I have a small personal astronomical observatory -- all of the equipment is plugged into an older PC. Various specialized interfaces convert video and interpret serial communications from a variety of devices. It started out as Win7 and got 'upgraded' to Win10. For a while things worked well -- then I started to get updated device drivers that overwrote the specialized software that runs the observatory. Finally, everything simply stopped working. So I wiped the drive and reinstalled everything under Win7... now it all works. It is nice to get the latest and greatest... provided it simply makes what I am doing more reliable, efficient, etc. To simply wipe it out and substitute stuff that doesn't work is just sabotage. I run win10 on an Intel NUC -- really nice. But my laptop stays at Win7 -- too many things don't work. They may have delusions of adequacy regarding pushing their latest onto everything -- but only if it works. The jury is still out as to whether they are capable of that.
I won't tell you to "shut the fuck up", though . . . I can think of no greater endorsement than attention from a troll such as yourself. Now, go back to your game of "Minesweeper" and leave the grown-ups here on Slashdot to talk about grown-up stuff.
Is it just me, or does this this read a lot like an 'official' State News Release from the Chinese Government ?
Really, Microsoft? You're preaching about IT security when you have completely taken some Windows 10 security decisions *OUT* of the hands of IT departments? We can no longer disable the Windows App Store in Windows 10 Pro, thanks to you. But if we still want that feature we have to update our licenses from Pro to Enterprise.....because SECURITY. Right? It's not about money, right?
Go fuck yourselves.
"A plan fiendishly clever in its intricacies"- Homer Simpson
Utter rubbish, crashes without any errors.. (not even a bluescreen). Its constatntly sending data back to Microsoft/NSA. The interface is a joke.. its compatibility with basic applications is utterly shithouse. No thanks.. I'll use Windows 7 until the next OS comes out and you fix all the problems.. failing that I'll probably switch to running a VM of Windows 7 under Linux.
Meanwhile Win 3.11... Is still running fine on test equipment. The manufacturer says do not upgrade to any other version of Windows.
I have a gang-programming-and-testing production tool from one of the top three (or so) manufacturers of BLE systems-on-a-chip. Our startup needs this (or a suitable alternative) to go into volume production of our initial products.
It comes with an application - in source in a build environment. This allows it to be customized, to add tests for the peripherals added to make the final assembly, and to integrate into production processes and databases.
But the build environment is only supported in Windows 7, 7 Pro, 8, and 8.1, using Visual Studio 2012. The executables and DLLs produced run only on those or XP.
The executable/DLLs use .NET, too, and the way they use it breaks the GUI under wine, even with genuine Microsoft .NET installed. They run correctly, but the status display is corrupted in a way that makes it unusable. So at the production site it needs to run on genuine Windows at one of those levels. B-b
As of the last time I checked (a couple months ago), the manufacturer is unwilling to port to another OS or version - even though all of them (except maybe 7 Pro) have been end-of-lifed by Microsoft.
Bantam Dominique roosters crow a four-note song. Once you've heard it as "Happy BIRTHday" you can't NOT hear it that way
Microsoft are correct, I did spend a lot of time and effort protecting myself against their Windows 10 malware attack. Bring on Steam linux gaming platform...
Microsoft: "Windows 7? why are you still running that pile."
Users: "Well, you said it was the fastest and most secure operating system ever. Besides Windows 10 doesn't really offer any new functionality and I don't really like the UI."
Microsoft: "No no that was old Microsoft. He was a dick. You need to scrap that gnarled bag of bolts and install Windows 10. Its the fastest and most secure operating system ever!"
The UI development platform is called "modern UI", which is an implicit a dig at everything else that was done before.
If it's not ugly as hell and designed for a phone, it's not "modern".
I have found no compelling reason to "upgrade" to win10.
The UI is as others have pointed out, a departure from win7, and I do not like any of it, colors, borders, whatnot.
To change the win7 (and prior) Start Menu, for some whimsical serves no purpose for a desktop OS.
The look is wrong and the feel is horrible, pathetic, and serves no useful purpose.
The other (spy ware) factors make the choice even easier.
Run!
I've hard more problems with Windows 10 in a few months than I have had with COMPUTERS since the early 90s.
The only thing that comes close to being as shitty as Windows 10 was Skype version 5 when they forced that video UI on everyone without even doing proper checks on whether it was drawing to an initialized video element, which if you were doing anything intense, CPU or GPU-wise, would lead to a full BSOD if the element never loaded quickly enough.
Given the coding you would need to do to achieve such a thing, it feels almost deliberately retarded in design.
You need to be stupid on purpose to have fucked up that badly. Similar to Windows 10, really. (see start menu corruption, driver problems all over the place, etc.)
I will NEVER go near Windows 10 ever again.
It is the biggest fuck-up in computing history. Even more so than Samsung's explosively HOT new phones and Xbox 360 RRoD.
Friends don't let friends use Windows 10. Unless they are stubborn, inconsistent asses that are paranoid about security yet use Facebook, Windows 10 and all kinds of stuff. (literally has a bot set up to sent nonsense DNS requests thinking it will give him some sort of privacy)
There's a point where you just give up hoping they will grow a brain. That ass.
Windows 10 is a pile of stinkin crap. Upgrade now!
Though I run it virtually, it seems to meet my needs just fine. Perhaps he meant it doesn't meet Microsoft's needs?
New hardware requires USB 3.0 drivers to install from USB, and to have a working keyboard and mouse (even for the install process).
Win7 install does not have ANY USB 3.0 drivers.
It's a bear to get a Win7 install going on a machine that only has USB 3.0+ ports.
Even a 1.5-year old NUC6 can't install Win7 without a lot of work.
"we offer our customers the highest level of security and assreamery at the cutting edge."
First thing windows 10 asked me was can we send all your keyboard/mouse data to microsoft?
My first thought was: And send all my passwords your way? FU
...had the following to say about Windows 7: "Today, it [Windows 7] does not meet the requirements of modern technology, nor the high security requirements of IT departments [such as ours]. As early as in Windows XP, we saw that companies [such as Microsoft] should take early steps to avoid future risks or costs [such as our customers fleeing us in droves]. With Windows 10, we offer our customers [the real ones - Microsoft executives and shareholders] the highest level of security [an ongoing revenue stream] and functionality at the cutting edge.
Yeah, "Download intel USB3 creator. Run intel USB3 creator. Done." sure is a lot of work.
Doesn't work for most. Look it up.
"In a blog post, Microsoft says that continued usage of Windows $X increases maintenance and operating costs for businesses. Furthermore, time is needlessly wasted on combating malware attacks that could have been avoided by upgrading to Windows $Y."
There, a blog post they can keep reusing, forever...makes me think of that Orwell boot...
>> Windows 7 Does Not Meet the Demands of Modern Technology; Recommending Windows 10
Windows 10 Does Not Meet the Privacy and Confidentiality
Recommending Linux.
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I had the exact same problem with svxhost and the update service and spent a lot of time trying to fix the problem. Once fixed it would come back a few weeks later.
I want my OS to support my productivity. It must never ever start resource intensive work behind my back when Im working. It may leave a notice about some pending updates or task that needs to be done, but it has to stay out of my way when I work. When Im working in my texteditor, listening to music, having an email client open and perhaps a few reasonable browser tabs, I want my computer running silent and cool with very low CPU load.
I actually don't care if it's "hard" to accomplish. We're talking MS. They have the resources to do this right, and they have failed. I paid for my Win7 and Microsoft is not honoring their end of the deal.
Solution:
I installed Debian on my old UX31 laptop. I installed Ubuntu on my new Spectre x360. Dual boot just in case. Everything works like a charm. No special drivers. Haven't used Windows since.
That feeling.
Users: Windows 10 Does Not Meet the Demands of Modern Technology; Recommends Linux.
Free, as in your money being freed from the confines of your account.
Yes it does. Look it up.
It's not just that. Downloading huge updates while connected to a big internet pipe is one thing, but I travel a lot and I can tell you that hotel internet speeds in many countries are just not good enough for massive downloads. How the f*** are you supposed to use Windows 10 while on the road? How often do these high priority updates come out, and what is their average size?
What do 85% of the Windows user do? Email, web surfing, YouTube videos, and posting the occasional Slashdot rant. Maybe they run a private web server or play some games or watch videos....all of that can be easily and reliably done with Win 7.
What Microsoft means is more that they do not want to inject all this useless crap like dopey apps into Win 7. I'd reconsider Win 10 if I, as the user, have more control and the pathetic hardware "support" gets fixed.
First you gave us those autistic squares, then you rigged the whole thing with spyware. Get rekt MS.
Yes : Your 'Option #2' is vastly more efficient ....
"There are 11 kinds of people: those who know binary, those who don't, and those who could not care less!"
If you enjoy reinstalling the OS after MS bricks it for you every few months, then go right ahead... Me, I'll stick to Win 7 for as long as possible since MS seems to have caught onto to the "wait till the first SP is released to convert" - so they released a buggy-as-hell SP1... So the new rule is wait till SP2 is released at the earliest...
your hardware's fault, not the driver and definitely not the OS. Bwahahaha people believe this?
It was a mistake on global scale to trust Microsoft Windows to begin with. I'm upgrading to Linux. And I will never install/infect a machine with Windows.
when they roll that out they will immediately begin telling you that Windows10 was garbage and very dangerous.
This is Microsloth engaging in its usual marketing deceits.
Every current version is amazing and safe and excellent,and al previous versions are dangerous and vulnerable. Buy new hardware! Buy new software! Buy! Buy! Buy! Ignore that we are intentionally creating unneccessary incompatabilities with each release, and just Buy Buy Buy!!!!
...Window 2000. The best thing Microsoft ever done.
I suspect there is some truth to what they say...
I suspect not.
Because you suspect there is some truth, they already have you and your future upgrade when they stop supporting Windows 7.
I have to use Windows 7 at work and we have both Windows 8.1 and Windows 10 boxes...but at home, I try very hard to stick with Linux.
My mother things Linux Mint is a new Windows....so she is saved from this BS and the future mess that is having to 'rent monthly' all software from the M$ store.
This is what it is really about folks, You pay me monthly and if you do not, I turn you off. They have been trying to force us down this path for years, with Windows 10 and corporations stupidly buying in, they might finally get it. And if the corporations allow themselves to be forced there, you and I, individual consumers, will have no choice with respect to Microsoft Windows.
Since its not a matter of if, only 'when', save yourself allot of heartache and move to Linux now. Choose a variant of Debian (Linux Mint, Ubuntu for touchscreens) or Redhat (CentOS) and prevent 'YOUR" PC (not Microsofts, never was, never should be theirs) from becoming an expensive paper weight.
Besides, if you only purchase hardware (ZaReason, System 76) that will run Linux without the need for a Microsoft Windows License and the relentless never ending 'software Activation' crapola (changing CPU, TPM or Motherboard) it can be re-purposed for schools that cannot afford to pay the Microsoft tax for their kid's computer needs.
I suspect Microsoft just wants you (and all of us) to becoming monthly revolving paying customers...a monthly payment that never ends and you can never opt out of.... One day they will probably give away the hardware, like cellular phones today, to lock you and your children into a lifetime contract....sure they do not call it that, "lifetime contract", but when they turn you off for non payment...you have no choice, except to pay it for life.
The quickest way to the poor house or to retire on fixed income and get screwed, is to increase your monthly payments in your investing years....HUGE mistake. Its not the first 10 years of interest that matters, its the yearly interest after 30+ years, that allows one to retire and actually enjoy life.
Just say no to revolving payments. Just say no to Microsoft, Adobe, Oracle and their ilk
HAVE NO DOUBT, Do not FEAR. Do not suspect. Know and live!
About a year ago an older machine at the Paper I run spontaneously upgraded to Win10 one night. No warning. We came in the next morning and a machine nobody claimed to have restarted was sitting at login.
Of course, Windows10 doesn't run the platemaking software. In fact, it still doesn't, a year later. Their forced rollout upgrade cost us money and time while I had to learn quickly how to un-upgrade it, how to prevent it from ever happening again, and get plates made at another "nearby" paper 90 minutes away making that paper 3 hours late to even start printing. Horrible. And no, this wasn't something solved by compatibility mode or some setting in the program.
I also do simple IT support for seniors. I can't tell you how many printers (particularly, but not limited to HP) simply stopped working when the OS was upgraded. That's is malice on Microsoft's part. HP isn't some off-brand fly-by-night hardware refurbisher. It's one of the major brands. Why would you force feed an OS to people (more than a few) that makes devices they rely on unusable?
Hey Microsuck, Windows 10 doesn't meet MY security needs/concerns. It will never see the inside of my house.
https://communities.intel.com/...
Dude looks like a lady? Doesn't work and that's just one case. That Intel NUC support forum has dozens of topics like those. The ending is rarely solved, but rather a return to seller.
Intel has never been a "include legacy for those who need it" company. If it's 'legacy' it ain't gonna work if Intel can help it. Win7 (and USB2) are legacy by any mark.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/...
Casteism
saw my first Ubuntu based internet terminal in an airport in the Midwest... That should tell those folks in redmond something... So what's this windows 10 thing you speak of and who uses it? Windows imho is becoming less relevant... And not to say big brother also isn't inside your foss system you swear by
I am an independent thinker. I am open about piracy(books, mostly) and am also open that I will make anyone who comes after me regret it. Since I go after books and not so much the latest blockbusters, that may be part of why they ignore me, but i have friends that are equally open about pirating blockbusters that seem to be left well enough alone. The best way it seems to be left alone for being an independent thinker is to be open on how it is a part of your values and not just something you have no clue what you are doing like the RIAA multimillion dollar supposed decision against who was it again, https://www.bing.com/search?q=... turns up some interesting results, but not the suit I am thinking of. But I suppose no longer sharing after you got yours may help, too.
Microsoft admits Microsoft 7 shit. Microsoft Windows 10 is shittier but people should still upgrade because we need your money.
My old but serviceable laptop has a validity sensor VDS 201 model that is supported in windows 7 and 8 but no longer works in windows 10. the manufacturer doesn't make moden drivers from it. By upgrading to windows 10 I just lost the ability to biometrically secure my laptop. How is that more secure ? Hello windows Hello ... goodbye windows hello.
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Nice confirmation bias. Now trying searching for the successes.
Thank you for being honest. So you see, you don't really know whether you can attribute the problems specifically to Windows 10. It is entirely possible that your staff is under-trained or perhaps group policy administration is slightly different or whatever. It's like when you moved from User Manager for Domains to Active Directory, would you have made the same type of claims about Windows NT vs Windows 2000? I'd be interested in hearing more about root causes of these problems so that we could really get to the bottom of it. It could be that Windows 10 has issues but without that information, we can't conclusively make a determination.
We'll make great pets
If you are really concerned about privacy you do not run Windows.
I also run my own I.T. business, and I service about 300 small businesses, so about 1,000 computers. I'd say about 1/3 of the computers that upgraded to win10 are now back on win7 because win10 crashed itself. A lot of the users don't even have admin permissions to their own computers, so I KNOW it's not their fault. Windows 10 just crashes itself over time. Windows 7 doesn't. I hope microsoft gets that fixed before win7 goes obsolete in year 2020.
Wow no way Microsoft is half baking a reason to drop all support for every version of windows but the one they are currently Making money on. Are bears still sh*ting in the woods as well.
Really, maybe people would upgrade if Microsoft wouldn't change the fking UI all the dmn time. Nobody I know "wants" Win10 -- they either accept it because they have to or go die-hard on Win 7.
Wildly unpopular as it may be in these parts, Microsoft is correct, and starting to move away from Windows 7 is the appropriate thing to do. Yes there is self interest involved form Microsoft, they want to sell licenses, but that doesn't inherently make their direction wrong. Windows 7 was released nearly 12 years ago, let that sink in.. _12_ years. Snow Leopard was the shiny new OS for Macs and the Linux Kernel version at the time was 2.6.30, SLES11.0 and RHEL 5.3 were released around the same time. I can't speak for all of you but most of the hardcore Linux sysadmins I work with or know would look at you funny if you told them you were going to build a new production server with those as a starting point. If you consider Windows 7, Windows 7 SP1, Windows 8.0, Windows 8.1, Windows 10 RTM and Windows 10 Anniversary to be distinct OS versions, Windows 7 SP1 is 4 generations behind. Even if you only consider Windows 7, Windows 8, and Windows 10 the distinct versions, Windows 7 is still 2 generations behind.
Microsoft is saying that their own SUPPORTED operating system is insecure.Why should we trust that their new one is not? (credit to Dataless on Spiceworks today for this thought).
They just want to force you to pay them money.
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I'm an ex-member of the Windows development team; and I'm generally speaking, a loyal Microsoft fan. I'm also a Windows 7 user. I also think that Windows 10 is a heap of crap, and that my old employer has 'lost the plot'. I'm at a total loss as to how some of the design decisions must have been made ... I'm *certain* that in my time on the team that they wouldn't have been. It's bonkers.
The state of Windows now makes me weep. I'm so sad and disappointed by it, and Microsoft.
So, I'm thinking very seriously about jumping ship. Trouble is, I don't particularly like or even rate Linux, in all of its guises, and so I'm left with most likely giving a one time arch enemy a lot of money for an over priced and seemingly under-developed (and under-valued product line) piece of hardware. Crap again.