half that esoterica wasn't even implimented while C++ became popular.
Because functions declared in structures is 90% of what C programmers wanted out of it at the time. Having constructors and destructors was also quite nice. And that is enough to use C++ right there.
You know what? You don't have to even use pointers in C++.
The idea that a C/C++ program is more likely to be buggy than a VM that is also a C/C++ program is a bit off. They are both C/C++ programs... hey! I know... do what the geniuses that work on JIT or VMs do!
I have a theory that programmers should understand memory.
I also have a theory that next programmers will complain about having to use end-paren and close-bracket... "we're only intested in begining the function parameter list... the computer should close it for us!
>It seems most people who claim to be C++ programmers just say that because they use a C++ compiler and stick their functions in objects.
this is a very good use of C++... the bundling of functions with the data they work on is very usefull. There is no reason to use every feature of C++, it is a multiparidigmed language, but your programs are not supposed to be multiparadigmed, they should choose a paradigm and stick with it.
In fact... if you stuck with just the C++ you described, there is no reason that you couldn't use C++ for a "small memory embedded system" with potentially no overhead penalty for using C++, but with the benefit of better organized code.
I have made software still in use by Fortune 500 companies. They made money (millions and million and millions of dollars) and continue to make money from that software, but I don't.
if the companies were treating programmers better... acted like they cared about them and their families and their future(!) like we are supposed to care about those things (and thus not make free software), then there probably would not be a problem.
Who is going to screw us quicker... corporations and outsourcing, or Free Software. At least with Free Software we end up with tools we can build to make solutions.
I cannot use any proprietary code I've made, not libraries, not anything.
And I'm not complaining, I was paid an agreed sum and then some for my commercial work... just saying.
Nevertheless you are not disagreeing with me to say they have mistreated (stole from) the social security trust fund at least since 1983. I don't really know what they did with it in the 50's.
That makes no sense... he's been paying payroll tax and that is enough to make the fund flush.
I can tell you don't understand the parent poster's point. We don't have to pay higher taxes, the SS taxes are marked to go straight to the SS fund. But they have removed money from that fund... they have "borrowed it" to pay for other things. They have cheated and treated that money as part of the general fund.
If I'm wrong then could you please explain your snark better?
the real question is how much will it cost to re-educate them after they lose that work! We have no safety net in this country capable of keeping people healthy and fed while they are retrained for these alleged higher-tech jobs.
next I'll hear that webvan.com and pets.com are still around. they're not right?
more seriously: I've gotten interviews from DICE and people do say (as they have in these comments) that craigslist is good. The best thing besides contacts, which will always rule, is diligence with a particular company. Even if they act like they are sick of hearing from you every couple months, companies do like to know you really like them IN PARTICULAR... and the nice thing is you end up working for a company you like in particular.... albeit a year later...
If you have a few years experience jr more then you need to use those contacts without shame, but in that case you already know this.
proving that superman wouldn't be able to just stand there and deflect bullets.
you cannot prove what is claimed, you can only set up specification boundaries for exactly what Supermans makeup must be in oder to do it.
Throw in an infinite amount of strange physics and you have a pointless excersice, and unsuprising. Much better to find the examples where physics was well understood, and promote that.
Theories may have some testing, but that does not mean they are not wrong.
Indeed, I would risk saying that all theories are at the very least incomplete, special cases of deeper truths, such as Newtons Laws compared to General Relativity and General Relativity compared to...
In what way is Dark Matter "something wrong with the universe"? It's just a theory, as are alterations of the basic law of gravity. The scientific method is most certainly in play.
don't get me wrong, just because I take the chance to pounce... I believe in repetition to make a point, I believe in repetition to make a point, that's how the mind works and not everyone saw this same amazing revelation last year or the other times it has come up.
They are not suggesting enough money to do the other cool sci-fi stuff they're talking up either.
They are moving money around NASA. They've asked for money to be put on the moonbase and mars idea and taken off other pursuits. Like Hubble. Like research science, in favor of interesting engineering research, which they have not indicated they will fund enough to complete.
It's about this rearrangment of NASA. And similarly their postition on stem cell research. And so it's my impression that Bush is no friend of scientific research.
But mostly this thread was just about the Hubble, I think it's no big thing to finish what we started with the Hubble.
Maybe the rest of the pessimism won't come true. Hell, maybe the Hubble thing isn't over too, you never know with the government.
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but don't love them. Do not love a proprietary language. That's my feeling anyway.
And if you trust Microsoft, you'll never see the knife before it's in.
half that esoterica wasn't even implimented while C++ became popular.
Because functions declared in structures is 90% of what C programmers wanted out of it at the time. Having constructors and destructors was also quite nice. And that is enough to use C++ right there.
You are not supposed to use all the esoterica.
You know what? You don't have to even use pointers in C++.
The idea that a C/C++ program is more likely to be buggy than a VM that is also a C/C++ program is a bit off. They are both C/C++ programs... hey! I know... do what the geniuses that work on JIT or VMs do!
I have a theory that programmers should understand memory.
I also have a theory that next programmers will complain about having to use end-paren and close-bracket... "we're only intested in begining the function parameter list... the computer should close it for us!
>It seems most people who claim to be C++ programmers just say that because they use a C++ compiler and stick their functions in objects.
this is a very good use of C++... the bundling of functions with the data they work on is very usefull. There is no reason to use every feature of C++, it is a multiparidigmed language, but your programs are not supposed to be multiparadigmed, they should choose a paradigm and stick with it.
In fact... if you stuck with just the C++ you described, there is no reason that you couldn't use C++ for a "small memory embedded system" with potentially no overhead penalty for using C++, but with the benefit of better organized code.
I have made software still in use by Fortune 500 companies. They made money (millions and million and millions of dollars) and continue to make money from that software, but I don't.
if the companies were treating programmers better... acted like they cared about them and their families and their future(!) like we are supposed to care about those things (and thus not make free software), then there probably would not be a problem.
Who is going to screw us quicker... corporations and outsourcing, or Free Software. At least with Free Software we end up with tools we can build to make solutions.
I cannot use any proprietary code I've made, not libraries, not anything.
And I'm not complaining, I was paid an agreed sum and then some for my commercial work... just saying.
"I really don't like the amoralistic games where you're out there doing bad stuff just for fun."
Yeah! Much better that you should have a good reason for doing all that bad stuff!
That way you can feel morally superior while you blow people away. Drugs bad! KILL!
The social security trust fund started in 1937.
Nevertheless you are not disagreeing with me to say they have mistreated (stole from) the social security trust fund at least since 1983. I don't really know what they did with it in the 50's.
That makes no sense... he's been paying payroll tax and that is enough to make the fund flush.
I can tell you don't understand the parent poster's point. We don't have to pay higher taxes, the SS taxes are marked to go straight to the SS fund. But they have removed money from that fund... they have "borrowed it" to pay for other things. They have cheated and treated that money as part of the general fund.
If I'm wrong then could you please explain your snark better?
the real question is how much will it cost to re-educate them after they lose that work! We have no safety net in this country capable of keeping people healthy and fed while they are retrained for these alleged higher-tech jobs.
this one shows murder in the trailer.
I guess it's back in.
I was wrong.
I apologize to all semicolins everywhere.
much better.
oops.
"I have been working on computers/electronics/ etc since the mid-80's; when the dot-com bubble was bursting,"
you mean of course, when it had just started really bubbling...
monsters.com is still in business?
what is this... 1999?
next I'll hear that webvan.com and pets.com are still around. they're not right?
more seriously: I've gotten interviews from DICE and people do say (as they have in these comments) that craigslist is good. The best thing besides contacts, which will always rule, is diligence with a particular company. Even if they act like they are sick of hearing from you every couple months, companies do like to know you really like them IN PARTICULAR... and the nice thing is you end up working for a company you like in particular.... albeit a year later...
If you have a few years experience jr more then you need to use those contacts without shame, but in that case you already know this.
wake me when they come for me.
When steve jobs founded the University of California by passing the Land Grant Act.
And butter, he invented butter.
by Stroustrup.
yeah, for beginers... sue me.
proving that superman wouldn't be able to just stand there and deflect bullets.
you cannot prove what is claimed, you can only set up specification boundaries for exactly what Supermans makeup must be in oder to do it.
Throw in an infinite amount of strange physics and you have a pointless excersice, and unsuprising. Much better to find the examples where physics was well understood, and promote that.
that's the point... nothing ever is proven by traditional means to absolute means unless it's a tautology (like "Bachelors are unmarried").
You will perpetually inquire, even when you are sure you will not be absolutely sure, just sure enough that you find it not worth the time to doubt.
I cannot prove the sun will come up tomorrow but I can count on it if I like, and I do.
Theories may have some testing, but that does not mean they are not wrong.
Indeed, I would risk saying that all theories are at the very least incomplete, special cases of deeper truths, such as Newtons Laws compared to General Relativity and General Relativity compared to...
In what way is Dark Matter "something wrong with the universe"? It's just a theory, as are alterations of the basic law of gravity. The scientific method is most certainly in play.
..ly old news!
don't get me wrong, just because I take the chance to pounce... I believe in repetition to make a point, I believe in repetition to make a point, that's how the mind works and not everyone saw this same amazing revelation last year or the other times it has come up.
... today the machines are distributing processing to human as peripherals ... next the machines use us as batteries.
wait, scratch that.
I'm sure I didn't say that.
I say this. They just screwed science.
They are not suggesting enough money to do the other cool sci-fi stuff they're talking up either.
They are moving money around NASA. They've asked for money to be put on the moonbase and mars idea and taken off other pursuits. Like Hubble. Like research science, in favor of interesting engineering research, which they have not indicated they will fund enough to complete.
It's about this rearrangment of NASA. And similarly their postition on stem cell research. And so it's my impression that Bush is no friend of scientific research.
But mostly this thread was just about the Hubble, I think it's no big thing to finish what we started with the Hubble.
Maybe the rest of the pessimism won't come true. Hell, maybe the Hubble thing isn't over too, you never know with the government.