No actually the web services arm is one of the most important parts of the puzzle. I work in a manufacturing company and we run linux thin client desktops on the entire shop floor. This would just not have ever been a option if it had not been for a single web service we built that converts autocad drawings to pdf files for viewing at the workstations. Web services is a great way to get that little extra functionality available to the linux machines. Most of the cad stuff is only available on windows, I had no option but to render drawings using windows servers.
We use web services for plenty of other stuff but if you need to do cross platform integration there is nothing sweeter.
I spent 10 years in the military suposedly protecting your freedom. Thats right you have thousands of men dodging bullets so that you may enjoy liberty. I don't have a problem with the govt doing what they have to for intelligence reasons. The patriot act and all bills like it serve only one purpose, to unconstitutionally short circuit the judicial branch of the govt, now that I have a problem with.
The risk of not using Linux or other GPL licensed software is. Some day some Litigious Bastards turn around and sue you even though you have not had their software on a machine in over 7 years.
Finally I can get a shared/home for my linux terminal servers. This is good since I can finally move from high availability clustering to full on active / active clustering.
You are in the minority because you offer not a shread of proof for your statement. The reality is that I can admin 3x as many linux boxes as you can your windows machine. Not that I would have to because linux unlike windows is way more efficient in the data center. I do not have a single linux machine at work that does not run to nearly full capacity. I can do this because I can run more than just a email server, or database server on a single machine. How often do you see exchange running on the same machine as a sql server?
In my opinion you are nothing more than a astroturf for MS.
A few weeks ago they crashed a smaller prototype during testing when something went haywire. Then they show up a few weeks later with a bigger craft that performs perfectly.
The guidance is impressive, it equivelent to having a computer balancing a broom stick in real time.
Remember the govt's VTOL spacecraft that tipped over and blew up on the pad?
I bet if John was funded by paul allens millions he would be as far along as the scaled composits team. The fact that he has gotten this far with far less money is also a impressive feat.
Slashdot has just gone to the birds since we got all of these windows astroturf's hanging around here. Perhaps it is time that Slashdot implemented a ban on all posts unless it comes from some sort of unix system. Come on it is called/. for a reason, since when did this site become c:\
I don't know about you guys but I have two huge HP boxes that do a ton of stuff. These two clustered servers serve up 150 desktops, handle the company email, order entry processing, mysql database, postgres database, plone server, internal intranet, file serving.
Try doing that much stuff with two windows boxes. A windows installation rarely runs more than a single application.
What you really need to ask is what is the potential of those linux boxes that are shipped
I watched two of our desktop guys spend all day yesterday trying to get some software to install on a 2000 box. Now mind you this was a fresh load and it was just a normal software installer nothing special. The machine would totally hang every time about part way through the install. All I can do is stand back and laugh about the situation.
I of course mentioned the fact that a properly designed operating system should never crash because of a userland program.
Reguardless of all that the barrier to entry is extremely high and I don't really see the HPC guys wanting to give up the code.
No we are not complaining about that and I have not run anything but linux for years. If they want to make a great desktop provide a way to install multimedia and plugins without jumping through 1000 hoops to get it done. It can be a simple gui that goes out to the unofficial sites to get the rpm files. Or how about a simple gui that can at the click of a button add the unnoficial sites to up2dates configuration.
You mean some have lost windows data
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That sounds like a positive feature not a bug. Dual booting any operating system is just asking for trouble. If you are going to run linux then just run linux if not stick with windows.
I really like it alot, so far no problems. The only thing I don't like about a fedora box is that I have to hunt around for weeks to get the necessary multimedia stuff in it. It ships with full blown mozilla, that will be gotten rid of here shortly in favor of firefox. Great distro but alot of post install work to make it into a usable desktop.
A couple of issues he is totally failing to address.
1. When you install windows it is capable of doing absolutely nothing. Yea you might be able to open a text file with notepad but that is as far as it goes. Now compare the cost of a commercial linux distro with it's software CAPABILITY to that of a comparable windows with the software loaded to match it. By the time you are able to match the functionality of the linux box you will have spent nearly 100,000 dollars on software licensing alone. The only functionality in a freshly loaded windows box is the capability of spreading worms.
2. As for hardware compatibility he is addressing the enterprise crowd but is talking about desktop hardware. Trust me when I buy my servers preloaded from HP they just plain work with every piece of hardware in that box. In the enterprise we do not have somebodys 20$ cheapo mexican built scanner hooked to our desktop server. We are talking high end fiber channel, san, huge memory etc.
I will take Windows seriously when it can run on Power PC arcitecture. You see that statement really turns the tables around now doesn't it. I would say that windows has poor hardware support becuase it cannot run on PPC.
Oh yea, you mean the really great software like Front Page for example. Their software is about as good as the boil I am picking on my ass at the moment.
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One Word NSA....If it was so bad the NSA would not have their own version.
Who the hell is Microsoft and why do we care what they laugh at. I think somebody told me once that they build buggy operating systems.
No actually the web services arm is one of the most important parts of the puzzle. I work in a manufacturing company and we run linux thin client desktops on the entire shop floor. This would just not have ever been a option if it had not been for a single web service we built that converts autocad drawings to pdf files for viewing at the workstations. Web services is a great way to get that little extra functionality available to the linux machines. Most of the cad stuff is only available on windows, I had no option but to render drawings using windows servers.
We use web services for plenty of other stuff but if you need to do cross platform integration there is nothing sweeter.
Hey you cannot possibly admin 600 machines with 4 guys, Microsoft said so!
I was thinking the same thing, I have active ssh connections to servers nearly around the clock.
I spent 10 years in the military suposedly protecting your freedom. Thats right you have
thousands of men dodging bullets so that you may
enjoy liberty. I don't have a problem with the govt
doing what they have to for intelligence reasons. The patriot act and all bills like it serve only one purpose, to unconstitutionally short circuit the judicial branch of the govt, now that I have a problem with.
The only phrase I can think of that comes to mind when having to touch a windows box is..
"BRING OUT THE GIMP! (Pulp Fiction)"
Now that will give you grey hair...
The risk of not using Linux or other GPL licensed software is. Some day some Litigious Bastards turn around and sue you even though you have not had their software on a machine in over 7 years.
Actually I think she is rather good at calling a turd a turd.
Finally I can get a shared /home for my linux terminal servers. This is good since I can finally move from high availability clustering to full on
active / active clustering.
Thank you RedHat!
Not to mention that windows cannot do what GFS does. Windows clustering is bs shared nothing which is not even clustering just high avaialability.
You are in the minority because you offer not a shread of proof for your statement. The reality is that I can admin 3x as many linux boxes as you can your windows machine. Not that I would have to because linux unlike windows is way more efficient in the data center. I do not have a single linux machine at work that does not run to nearly full capacity. I can do this because I can run more than just a email server, or database server on a single machine. How often do you see exchange running on the same machine as a sql server?
In my opinion you are nothing more than a astroturf for MS.
A few weeks ago they crashed a smaller prototype during testing when something went haywire. Then they show up a few weeks later with a bigger craft that performs perfectly.
The guidance is impressive, it equivelent to having a computer balancing a broom stick in real time.
Remember the govt's VTOL spacecraft that tipped over and blew up on the pad?
I bet if John was funded by paul allens millions he would be as far along as the scaled composits team. The fact that he has gotten this far with far less money is also a impressive feat.
Slashdot has just gone to the birds since we got all of these windows astroturf's hanging around here. Perhaps it is time that Slashdot implemented a ban on all posts unless it comes from some sort of unix system. Come on it is called /. for a reason, since when did this site become c:\
This reminds me of that little country song... I'm gonna miss her!
I don't know about you guys but I have two huge HP boxes that do a ton of stuff. These two clustered servers serve up 150 desktops, handle the company email, order entry processing, mysql database, postgres database, plone server, internal intranet, file serving.
Try doing that much stuff with two windows boxes. A windows installation rarely runs more than a single application.
What you really need to ask is what is the potential of those linux boxes that are shipped
I watched two of our desktop guys spend all day yesterday trying to get some software to install on a 2000 box. Now mind you this was a fresh load and it was just a normal software installer nothing special. The machine would totally hang every time about part way through the install. All I can do is stand back and laugh about the situation.
I of course mentioned the fact that a properly designed operating system should never crash because of a userland program.
Reguardless of all that the barrier to entry is extremely high and I don't really see the HPC guys wanting to give up the code.
Reserved start line seats and vip camping weekend for me and all of my friends, paid for and delivered.
NOT!
No we are not complaining about that and I have not run anything but linux for years. If they want to make a great desktop provide a way to install multimedia and plugins without jumping through 1000
hoops to get it done. It can be a simple gui that goes out to the unofficial sites to get the rpm files. Or how about a simple gui that can at the click of a button add the unnoficial sites to up2dates configuration.
That sounds like a positive feature not a bug. Dual booting any operating system is just asking for trouble. If you are going to run linux then just run linux if not stick with windows.
I really like it alot, so far no problems. The only thing I don't like about a fedora box is that I have to hunt around for weeks to get the necessary multimedia stuff in it. It ships with full blown mozilla, that will be gotten rid of here shortly in favor of firefox. Great distro but alot of post install work to make it into a usable desktop.
A couple of issues he is totally failing to address.
1. When you install windows it is capable of doing absolutely nothing. Yea you might be able to open a text file with notepad but that is as far as it goes. Now compare the cost of a commercial linux distro with it's software CAPABILITY to that of a comparable windows with the software loaded to match it. By the time you are able to match the functionality of the linux box you will have spent nearly 100,000 dollars on software licensing alone. The only functionality in a freshly loaded windows box is the capability of spreading worms.
2. As for hardware compatibility he is addressing the enterprise crowd but is talking about desktop hardware. Trust me when I buy my servers preloaded from HP they just plain work with every piece of hardware in that box. In the enterprise we do not have somebodys 20$ cheapo mexican built scanner hooked to our desktop server. We are talking high end fiber channel, san, huge memory etc.
I will take Windows seriously when it can run on
Power PC arcitecture. You see that statement really turns the tables around now doesn't it. I would say that windows has poor hardware support becuase it cannot run on PPC.
Captain: Fire control, engage hostile target 1004 range 2000 yds with 5 inch main battery.
Fire Control: Sir, unable to engage target 1004 the system has encountered a VB runtime error 91 object variable not set.
Captain: Engine room ahead all full make turns for
30 knots.
Engine Room: Sir we keep getting a RPC failure in the gas turbine controller.
Captain: All hands abandon ship!
Oh you mean that nice product called visio that they did not write but bought?
Oh yea, you mean the really great software like Front Page for example. Their software is about as good as the boil I am picking on my ass at the moment.