It's about 26-27 megs. Don't be so surprised, it's tons of code, comments and whitespace, and includes all code for all platforms it's designed to compile under. Being compiled into tight machine code includes only what each particular architechture/OS needs and reduces its size considerably, as you'd expect.
You can also grab the daily source in tarball form <a href="http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/l atest/mozilla-source.tar.gz">here.</a> ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Consider the fact that the browser with the majority market share has a broken CSS implimentation may well be WHY nobody uses CSS. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
You make it sound like it's important that everyone uses the same browser.
If they were all standards-compliant like they should have been in the first place, browser-specific pages wouldn't even exist and what browser everyone uses wouldn't matter one bit.
:-P ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Actually, not only does mozilla not bring you back to the same spot on a previous page, links to placeholders within the same page also don't work, as well as an annoying bug where mozilla will lose your place on a page if you minimize the window.
These bugs are probably related and will hopefully get squashed quickly. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Still not bad for something being written by a mostly volounteer staff, and that started over from scratch despite putting in a lot of hard work once it was apparent that Communicator 4 -> 5 meant too much baggage. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The acidity is definately dangerous in the event of a leak, but it doesn't stick around. Once it reacts with something and is neutralized (like by eating your latptop..:-P) you're left with sulfur and water, neither of which are dangerous pollutants. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Their evaluation copy is actually fully-functionning BeOS. It just doesn't come with a bunch of commercial applications.
It's sort of like downloading redhat rather than buying the box and getting tech support & that CD full of commercial apps they include.
There's a hell of a lot more free software for the various unicies though, so free BeOS appears a lot more sparse than free redhat.:) ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I could see them doing this in order to hit people with a double-whammy...
Pay for the copy of windows that you don't get a CD for, and pay again when you need the CD because you changed something in the control panel, or if you need to flat-out reinstall the OS. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The tests really need to cover more, and emulate real-world situations more closely.
The speed at which a site can serve up static content means squat if it's currently choking under the load from processing dynamic content, and it's not much better to have viewers discount the site because it can't serve up all those static images before their browser times the connections out.
Perhaps the following would work as a more accurate test:
Set a server up to use a 3rd party OS/database (Oracle on Solaris when comparing apache/linux & IIS/NT, for example), and ensure that the database server will not become the bottleneck. Then use multiple machines simulating pageviews, filling forms and following links to create the load, with some of the load-inducing machines behind caching proxies, and some not.
Too bad this would require quite a bit of hardware though.:-p ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Reality: Linux Needs Real World Proof Points Rather than Anecdotal Stories
>> hmm, that's a cool refutation
This is just IMHO but if the "Real World Proof Points(tm)" they refer to are the usual overly-focused benchmarks, I'd take a smaller grain of salt with the anecdotes.
>> Not to sound like a troll, but BEOWULF:p... that's clustering. Or a load balancer...
Beowulf clusters are meant for massively parallel processing and not neccessarily high availability. A load-balanced server farm on the other hand would fit the bill much more closely.
/. is itself a cluster behind a load balancer and it has demonstrated high availability as far as I can see.:) ---
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No, IE doesn't run in kernelspace. I was just using it as an example of a complex program. Recent versions of windows do use it as the primary interface shell though, which is almost as bad and why it crossed my mind at the time. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's true, IIS has run in ring 0 since 4.0. I think they did this to get a leg-up on apache/zeus/netscape/etc...
It provides a performance boost, but putting something complex like a webserver (or browser for that matter) into kernelspace is just asking for it.
Having it take the OS down with it on a crash is the best thing you can hope for... what if it doesn't take the kernel down on a crash, but decides to trample all over memory and data instead? It could misbehave and mangle SQL queries from there on in and it could do signifigant damage before it's noticed. I hope that database wasn't too important...:-P ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It still doesn't make it acceptable to leave a security hole unfixed so long, though.
He's supposed to be a white hat, yet refuses to disclose this "other" hole... while there was already a known hole to exploit? Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound quite right. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I think the importance is that MS was notified of the hole in july but still have not produced a fix. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Just use kgcc, which is linked to the 2.2.x kernel headers, whenever you need to compile a kernel or kernel module.
RH seems to be in a transition stage right now with 2.4 and 2.2 headers. It's a pain to shuffle around for kernel/module compilation but it should be drop-in simple to fully incorporate 2.4 when it's ready... at which point the shuffling's done away with completely. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The slight difference being that guns kill people.
People could use baggy clothing to neatly hide things they shoplift from campus stores, which is a closer analogy with people not being killed in a deafening bang and all... Would you expect the university to frisk everyone wearing a pair of cargo pants? ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's not the napster traffic they have to be aware of, it's that the people using it are doing so to transfer music illegally. While it's pretty much a given that many (most?) will be doing this, there's no way for the university to know who's downloading what, and it's not their responsibility to burden themselves with the task of monitoring it.
If the RIAA really wants to put a stop to this, they have to go after the people stealing the music themselves. Nobody in between is legally liable just because it's cheaper and more convenient to go after them. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I use Sympatico(ISP arm of Bell Canada)'s High Speed Edition service, which is their braindead marketing name for their residential ADSL.
The service has been excellent here in Ottawa, Ontario. I've got 1 megabit/s downstream and 128 kilobit/s upstream, and both speeds have been consistent. It costs $35.95 (that's $CDN) a month and has been very reliable for the 8 months I've had it- There have been 3-4 downtimes lasting a couple hours each... The cause of which I guess would be my only complaint; they went with some turn-key PPPoE solution and it's been that RADIUS server that's the problem each and every time there has been an outage.
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Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I've made a lot of changes to this install, and am in a situation similar to when I made that jump from 5.2 to 6.0.
I think I'll take your word for it and give 7.0 a try... but you'll forgive me if I image my root partition first.;) ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I remember upgrading a box from 5.2 to 6.0... It was painful. I had a nightmare of conflicts and dependancy problems to sort through. The upgrade probably would have gone without a hitch on a virgin 5.2 system, but who doesn't configure/modify/tweak/fondle the hell out of an install by the time the next release rolls out?
I think I'll wait to hear from more adventurous souls before upgrading my RH6.2 box. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Low fps is especially noticable in games when your field of view moves. Even though the eye starts being fooled into seeing motion at 28fps, when the view moves it's not very smooth or easy to follow.
Say you snap around 180 degrees in 1/10th of a second playing your favorite FPS. For simplicity's sake assume you had a framerate of 60fps during the whole turn... The turn took 0.10 seconds so we only got to see 6 of those frames. 6 frames to take in 180 degrees of view. That's only one lousy frame for every 30 degrees.:-P It makes it all too easy to miss that fleeting glimpse of someone darting around a corner, or peeking out and aiming a rifle at you.
Of course, most people don't get anywhere near 60fps during a turn like that because the framerate will fluctuate, probably for the worse, as the contents of the scene rapidly changes.
My game of choice is Tribes, and those outdoor scenes cause a shocking drop in your fps as compared to being indoors. Since players are extremely mobile in that game (jetpacks), what you're looking at is usually drasticallly changing, and sending your fps rate all over the place. If you've got some hefty hardware capable of keeping up high framerates, you're going to have a much easier time while outdoors compared to most. Even the 80fps my geforce can manage on average doesn't seem smooth enough. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Fewer colours needs less memory for the same resolution. At the time, any more than 16mb for 16bit colour would be overkill much like 64mb for 32bit colour would be. Having owned a voodoo2 and then a geforce though, 32bit colour is a drastic improvement that they shouldn't have put off so long, IMHO.
As for the 22.5bit colour, it's actually 16bit dithered to 32 (or close to... I think they lose a few bits for some reason). It's "22.5 bit" in name only. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
This thing's a little bit on the side of overkill for a router. It's also a little pricey once you factor in the cpu/ram/hdd cost.
It could easily be used to make a budget PC though. ---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's supposed to be the merging of 9x and NT, but we've heard that song before.
I'd expect it to be the successor to win2000, so bloat should be to 2000 as 2000 was to NT4. ---
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It came on four floppies (I still have 'em kicking around here someplace...)
Of course, MS-DOS wasn't exactly feature-rich. ---
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It's about 26-27 megs. Don't be so surprised, it's tons of code, comments and whitespace, and includes all code for all platforms it's designed to compile under. Being compiled into tight machine code includes only what each particular architechture/OS needs and reduces its size considerably, as you'd expect.
l atest/mozilla-source.tar.gz">here.< ;/a>
You can also grab the daily source in tarball form <a href="http://ftp.mozilla.org/pub/mozilla/nightly/
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Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Consider the fact that the browser with the majority market share has a broken CSS implimentation may well be WHY nobody uses CSS.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
You make it sound like it's important that everyone uses the same browser.
:-P
If they were all standards-compliant like they should have been in the first place, browser-specific pages wouldn't even exist and what browser everyone uses wouldn't matter one bit.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Actually, not only does mozilla not bring you back to the same spot on a previous page, links to placeholders within the same page also don't work, as well as an annoying bug where mozilla will lose your place on a page if you minimize the window.
These bugs are probably related and will hopefully get squashed quickly.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Still not bad for something being written by a mostly volounteer staff, and that started over from scratch despite putting in a lot of hard work once it was apparent that Communicator 4 -> 5 meant too much baggage.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The acidity is definately dangerous in the event of a leak, but it doesn't stick around. Once it reacts with something and is neutralized (like by eating your latptop.. :-P) you're left with sulfur and water, neither of which are dangerous pollutants.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Their evaluation copy is actually fully-functionning BeOS. It just doesn't come with a bunch of commercial applications.
:)
It's sort of like downloading redhat rather than buying the box and getting tech support & that CD full of commercial apps they include.
There's a hell of a lot more free software for the various unicies though, so free BeOS appears a lot more sparse than free redhat.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I could see them doing this in order to hit people with a double-whammy...
Pay for the copy of windows that you don't get a CD for, and pay again when you need the CD because you changed something in the control panel, or if you need to flat-out reinstall the OS.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The tests really need to cover more, and emulate real-world situations more closely.
:-p
The speed at which a site can serve up static content means squat if it's currently choking under the load from processing dynamic content, and it's not much better to have viewers discount the site because it can't serve up all those static images before their browser times the connections out.
Perhaps the following would work as a more accurate test:
Set a server up to use a 3rd party OS/database (Oracle on Solaris when comparing apache/linux & IIS/NT, for example), and ensure that the database server will not become the bottleneck. Then use multiple machines simulating pageviews, filling forms and following links to create the load, with some of the load-inducing machines behind caching proxies, and some not.
Too bad this would require quite a bit of hardware though.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Reality: Linux Needs Real World Proof Points Rather than Anecdotal Stories
:p... that's clustering. Or a load balancer...
:)
>> hmm, that's a cool refutation
This is just IMHO but if the "Real World Proof Points(tm)" they refer to are the usual overly-focused benchmarks, I'd take a smaller grain of salt with the anecdotes.
>> Not to sound like a troll, but BEOWULF
Beowulf clusters are meant for massively parallel processing and not neccessarily high availability. A load-balanced server farm on the other hand would fit the bill much more closely.
/. is itself a cluster behind a load balancer and it has demonstrated high availability as far as I can see.
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No, IE doesn't run in kernelspace. I was just using it as an example of a complex program. Recent versions of windows do use it as the primary interface shell though, which is almost as bad and why it crossed my mind at the time.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's true, IIS has run in ring 0 since 4.0. I think they did this to get a leg-up on apache/zeus/netscape/etc...
:-P
It provides a performance boost, but putting something complex like a webserver (or browser for that matter) into kernelspace is just asking for it.
Having it take the OS down with it on a crash is the best thing you can hope for... what if it doesn't take the kernel down on a crash, but decides to trample all over memory and data instead? It could misbehave and mangle SQL queries from there on in and it could do signifigant damage before it's noticed. I hope that database wasn't too important...
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It still doesn't make it acceptable to leave a security hole unfixed so long, though.
He's supposed to be a white hat, yet refuses to disclose this "other" hole... while there was already a known hole to exploit? Maybe it's just me but that doesn't sound quite right.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I think the importance is that MS was notified of the hole in july but still have not produced a fix.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Just use kgcc, which is linked to the 2.2.x kernel headers, whenever you need to compile a kernel or kernel module.
RH seems to be in a transition stage right now with 2.4 and 2.2 headers. It's a pain to shuffle around for kernel/module compilation but it should be drop-in simple to fully incorporate 2.4 when it's ready... at which point the shuffling's done away with completely.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
The slight difference being that guns kill people.
People could use baggy clothing to neatly hide things they shoplift from campus stores, which is a closer analogy with people not being killed in a deafening bang and all... Would you expect the university to frisk everyone wearing a pair of cargo pants?
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's not the napster traffic they have to be aware of, it's that the people using it are doing so to transfer music illegally. While it's pretty much a given that many (most?) will be doing this, there's no way for the university to know who's downloading what, and it's not their responsibility to burden themselves with the task of monitoring it.
If the RIAA really wants to put a stop to this, they have to go after the people stealing the music themselves. Nobody in between is legally liable just because it's cheaper and more convenient to go after them.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I use Sympatico(ISP arm of Bell Canada)'s High Speed Edition service, which is their braindead marketing name for their residential ADSL.
The service has been excellent here in Ottawa, Ontario. I've got 1 megabit/s downstream and 128 kilobit/s upstream, and both speeds have been consistent. It costs $35.95 (that's $CDN) a month and has been very reliable for the 8 months I've had it- There have been 3-4 downtimes lasting a couple hours each... The cause of which I guess would be my only complaint; they went with some turn-key PPPoE solution and it's been that RADIUS server that's the problem each and every time there has been an outage.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I've made a lot of changes to this install, and am in a situation similar to when I made that jump from 5.2 to 6.0.
;)
I think I'll take your word for it and give 7.0 a try... but you'll forgive me if I image my root partition first.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
I remember upgrading a box from 5.2 to 6.0... It was painful. I had a nightmare of conflicts and dependancy problems to sort through. The upgrade probably would have gone without a hitch on a virgin 5.2 system, but who doesn't configure/modify/tweak/fondle the hell out of an install by the time the next release rolls out?
I think I'll wait to hear from more adventurous souls before upgrading my RH6.2 box.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Low fps is especially noticable in games when your field of view moves. Even though the eye starts being fooled into seeing motion at 28fps, when the view moves it's not very smooth or easy to follow.
:-P It makes it all too easy to miss that fleeting glimpse of someone darting around a corner, or peeking out and aiming a rifle at you.
Say you snap around 180 degrees in 1/10th of a second playing your favorite FPS. For simplicity's sake assume you had a framerate of 60fps during the whole turn... The turn took 0.10 seconds so we only got to see 6 of those frames. 6 frames to take in 180 degrees of view. That's only one lousy frame for every 30 degrees.
Of course, most people don't get anywhere near 60fps during a turn like that because the framerate will fluctuate, probably for the worse, as the contents of the scene rapidly changes.
My game of choice is Tribes, and those outdoor scenes cause a shocking drop in your fps as compared to being indoors. Since players are extremely mobile in that game (jetpacks), what you're looking at is usually drasticallly changing, and sending your fps rate all over the place. If you've got some hefty hardware capable of keeping up high framerates, you're going to have a much easier time while outdoors compared to most. Even the 80fps my geforce can manage on average doesn't seem smooth enough.
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Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
Fewer colours needs less memory for the same resolution. At the time, any more than 16mb for 16bit colour would be overkill much like 64mb for 32bit colour would be. Having owned a voodoo2 and then a geforce though, 32bit colour is a drastic improvement that they shouldn't have put off so long, IMHO.
As for the 22.5bit colour, it's actually 16bit dithered to 32 (or close to... I think they lose a few bits for some reason). It's "22.5 bit" in name only.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
This thing's a little bit on the side of overkill for a router. It's also a little pricey once you factor in the cpu/ram/hdd cost.
It could easily be used to make a budget PC though.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It's supposed to be the merging of 9x and NT, but we've heard that song before.
I'd expect it to be the successor to win2000, so bloat should be to 2000 as 2000 was to NT4.
---
Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.
It came on four floppies (I still have 'em kicking around here someplace...)
Of course, MS-DOS wasn't exactly feature-rich.
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Where can the word be found, where can the word resound? Not here, there is not enough silence.