Believe me, the bitch had an impact. Not a good one though!
Ask people who work there and you will see what I mean. Many people left because of the changes she brought... HP used to be a good company to work for, things change!
HP not doing well in the PC business is no news. It was already the center discussion of company meetings 4 years ago. HP at that time was saying that it could not keep in business if it was not in the top 3 (go figure why!) and it was already fourth at that time, and still slipping down.
It was making fun of Dell for being nothing more than a Pizza delivery company, and were discussing ways of getting back up where they belonged.
The only department making big profits was the printer division and the PC repair one (not a good sign huh!)
Anyway, I for one am not going to thread any tears for HP. The HP way, has become the HP no way!
Companies pay adds to be out when they want them to. Anything outside this, probably does not interrest them
Besides, how do you want to implement this? Something like banner adds? A little pay each time somebody sees it?
I don't think companies would agree to pay for that. First, it's hardly targeted: no control of when people see it or on who sees it (think in term of countries.)
Second, how could they measure the effect? This is very important in term of marketing: No way to measure the effect == no perception of benefit. If they can't see it, they won't pay for it. Why do you think banner adds flopped so badly?
Something along the lines could work if they made company pay to put their adds on-line, but do you think the site would still be successful?
I think the idea is doomed!
Have you noticed how many similar sites went down as soon as they started to be popular for their videos?
Just plug your Hifi to your PC and rip from the Audio input on your sound card (most ripper let you do that so you can rip from tape or mini-disc).
I am already putting a few gigs MP3 from my CD as a protest (I have the orginals, so I don't think I am doing anything wrong). I might put my whole collection soon if they go on that crazy route.
I have already mostly stopped buying any CD (except from independant labels), I guess it won't be long before I start selling all my CDs and CD player. Mini-disc, laptop and internet will become my only means of purchasing music...
And no, I have no moral problem with that. I strongly believe musician should be paid for performance (live) not records.
For a home system, with linux this is really good. Just add a little USB keyboard and you get yourself a very cheap system with a good 3D card, excellent sound, DVD...
Even the Beowulf argument makes sense if you compare the price you would have to get the boxes from DELL. Remeber, the stuff that goes in there is cheap but you still have to assemble it. And look at how little place the stuff takes.
Imagine, not only it is cheap, but it will cost Microsoft money!!! Consoles are sold with a loss, and the money is made from selling the software.
It has got a harddisk (10Gb), a not so bad CPU (PIII 733), 64Mb of Memory , network ports and is built with commodity PC hardware...
So taking the X-Box, finding an easy way to format and re-install Linux + beowulf software and you get a cheap way to build clusters.
With it's GeForce 2 and good soundcard, you could even make it a decent PC (a bit short on memory though).
All you need is a character array type, since this is what COBOL uses for arbitrary decimals. I am pretty sure you will find tons of libraries that do just that in Java, C++, C...
My pay checks are not paid by this... Remember, I *used* to work for HP. I left because the envinronment in the finance oriented departments (the ones using HP3000 and Cobol a lot) where was crap! Programmers who had neither clue nor balls and management who was even worse. I am so glad I left... Now my job is both top technology and fun.
In other words, important stuff that makes the world work, and has had millions of man-hours of development work put into it. These aren't your typical brochureware web sites, coded up in a few days where you can re-boot the server if anything goes
I was not part of the dvp team on those things (I was on HP9000), but from what I have seen, the applications where not wonderful application with well designed interface, they were a big piece of SHIT held together by strings and breaking all over the place at any little modifications. But since it was easier to justify smaller budgets to write the modifications than have the nerves to do a mojor rewrite, HP was spending 10 times the budget it would have costed for a rewrite. Any modification was having impacts on plenty other projects. I know since our application was feeding on data coming from the shite...
And rewriting those applications... that's probably never going to happen. You think they're hard to maintain, they will be even more difficult to reverse-engineer when the original coders aren't around and the documentation is sketchy at best.
That's the good thing about HP3000 dying, they will have to replace the system! NO CHOICE! If you have not worked with those things and 30 year old programs, you don't know what you are talking about... BTW, the things are not difficult to reverse engineer, all they are doing is text processing. You coud replace those systems with awk scripts and it would still be better an easier to maintain.
Having worked for HP, I can only be glad they would scrap it. The application that are still running on this are nightmarish stuff coming from the seventies... So it's all COBOL and EDI. Yuk
Let's replace all these crappy old systems (hardware + software) with something more decent. Replace HP3000 with HP9000, Cobol with C++, and EDI with XML.
I for one, think that updating hardware and software every 30 years should be mandatory. Think of all the time lost to update and maintain that crap!
Nostalgia is not for Teckies!!! (except when it concerns Arcade games;o)
By the way, I don't want to hear about Unix being far older than Windows... Unix is still being developed actively.
I like to play on a TV (bigger screen, playing from the couch...)
I don't want to go through the pain of keeping my PC up to speed in term of patches, drivers. Installing the games, uninstalling them, solve the conflicts. Well, you get the picture.
I like the fact that the kids just press on and off and don't screw up my PC configuration.
Keeping up with the latest games can become expensive (new PC every (2) year(s)?)
Besides, we all know Windows is very stable but I haven't seen a Blue Screen of Death on my PS2 yet.
The controlers and games which are usually better. And so on, and so on...
Now let's hope that a Thai federal judge will rule that Yahoo! is not bound by the US ruling that demanded that all Child-porn memorabilia be removed from its auction site. It would be a nice surprise to have a sensible ruling come out of a federal court in times like these.
It claims that SuSE is a US company (funny how I could have sworn it was German;o)
It also says that Alan Cox will take over 2.4 once 2. 5 is opened which is wrong...
The whole war story is totally ridiculous. There has never been a talk about a fork. All there was were discussions of whether a new VM should be brought in 2.4 instead of 2.5, and some talk about the validity of benchmarks showing the improvements with the new VM.
I guess there is not much going on in the news for them to feel like writing about this...
Besides, this is nothing new since Alan Cox sayed that his last ac patch would probably be the last one with the old VM.
Ok, first, I agree that climate has been warmer. But there weren't as many people around at that time. There where also more trees (or green stuff).
Desertification + increased polution + dioxide levels on the rise = what is worrying me
Imagine, China and India burning all their forest and using as much energy as western countries, and I think we are in big trouble... Well that is if we don't find another way to kill humanity first;o)
Ok, volvanoes produce more toxic emission than the whole industrial civilization... I am still not convinced about that one personally. What kind of pollution are we talking about here? Which substances?
Concerning experimenting, we a bit in a dead end. But I think that the attitude saying "we can't prove it, so let's not care!" is a bit childish.
So far we have got only one planet, so we should better be careful about it... Well that's my opinion anyway.
So you believe more the people who make made money of using CFC than those "wacky environmentalist".
I understand that it is far more logic to believe reasearch financed by people who have a financial interrest in it, than people who believe there is a risk for health...
I myself, tend to believe more of the crackpot pseudoscience than the greedy bastard pseudoscience, thank you very much!
Besides, I don't think it costed billions, else I would bet that using alternatives would never have been implemented that fast!
The fact that the hole is peaking 10 years after we limited the use of CFC is rather a proof that they were right IMHO.
And you part about ice melting in the north pole is just so stupid! Global warming is a fact, the north pole is disapearing and water levels are rising. Look at statistics and ice studies...
Just keeping your head inside your arse will not make these problems go away.
There are evidences that we are destroying nature, look at the rivers! Now imagine the whole world polluting as the US and think at how long it would take for the world to become a dump!
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he US citizens are not even one 20th of the world population but they manage to produce half the pollution. It's time for people to think ahead a bit and try to show a better example! Saying "no" to an international initiative to reduce emissions is not the best example the US could give to rising economies!
This is probably just due to the fact that people complained that with one of their software (don't remeber which one), asking about monkeys would return the picture of a black family.
But I am sure someone else will give the link to that stuff...
But from the law, this seem to say that they can only check (ie. compare with the FBI db of finger prints), not collect it and use it to build a more complete db. Do you confirm my thoughts? This is already bad as it is, if they can even use this to build a fingerprint list of everybody, then this is just over the top.
My company has about 20 laptops from Dell, and they keep getting repaired. This is for all kind of models and it has been the case for years.
Before we used to have IBMs, never got a problem with those. And I have heard the same complaint from other people (in different companies) who had to switch from IBM to Dell.
My conclusion? You get what you pay for. Dell are cheaper but they are crap!
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Amen!
But note that it was also a good company to work for, not just a good company to buy from. But then, there were a lot more of those two years ago!
Believe me, the bitch had an impact. Not a good one though!
Ask people who work there and you will see what I mean. Many people left because of the changes she brought... HP used to be a good company to work for, things change!
HP not doing well in the PC business is no news. It was already the center discussion of company meetings 4 years ago. HP at that time was saying that it could not keep in business if it was not in the top 3 (go figure why!) and it was already fourth at that time, and still slipping down.
It was making fun of Dell for being nothing more than a Pizza delivery company, and were discussing ways of getting back up where they belonged.
The only department making big profits was the printer division and the PC repair one (not a good sign huh!)
Anyway, I for one am not going to thread any tears for HP. The HP way, has become the HP no way!
Besides, how do you want to implement this? Something like banner adds? A little pay each time somebody sees it?
I don't think companies would agree to pay for that.
First, it's hardly targeted: no control of when people see it or on who sees it (think in term of countries.)
Second, how could they measure the effect? This is very important in term of marketing: No way to measure the effect == no perception of benefit. If they can't see it, they won't pay for it. Why do you think banner adds flopped so badly?
Something along the lines could work if they made company pay to put their adds on-line, but do you think the site would still be successful?
I think the idea is doomed!
Have you noticed how many similar sites went down as soon as they started to be popular for their videos?
Just plug your Hifi to your PC and rip from the Audio input on your sound card (most ripper let you do that so you can rip from tape or mini-disc).
I am already putting a few gigs MP3 from my CD as a protest (I have the orginals, so I don't think I am doing anything wrong). I might put my whole collection soon if they go on that crazy route.
I have already mostly stopped buying any CD (except from independant labels), I guess it won't be long before I start selling all my CDs and CD player. Mini-disc, laptop and internet will become my only means of purchasing music...
And no, I have no moral problem with that. I strongly believe musician should be paid for performance (live) not records.
I am buying cheap laptops with CDROM players. I am turning them in MP3 jukeboxes...
You can get old Pentium laptop for very cheap these days. I bought 5 for less than than $200
For a home system, with linux this is really good. Just add a little USB keyboard and you get yourself a very cheap system with a good 3D card, excellent sound, DVD...
Even the Beowulf argument makes sense if you compare the price you would have to get the boxes from DELL. Remeber, the stuff that goes in there is cheap but you still have to assemble it. And look at how little place the stuff takes.
Really, where?!? How? Just being curious...
Consoles are sold with a loss, and the money is made from selling the software.
It has got a harddisk (10Gb), a not so bad CPU (PIII 733), 64Mb of Memory , network ports and is built with commodity PC hardware...
So taking the X-Box, finding an easy way to format and re-install Linux + beowulf software and you get a cheap way to build clusters.
With it's GeForce 2 and good soundcard, you could even make it a decent PC (a bit short on memory though).
I am so glad I left...
Now my job is both top technology and fun.
I was not part of the dvp team on those things (I was on HP9000), but from what I have seen, the applications where not wonderful application with well designed interface, they were a big piece of SHIT held together by strings and breaking all over the place at any little modifications. But since it was easier to justify smaller budgets to write the modifications than have the nerves to do a mojor rewrite, HP was spending 10 times the budget it would have costed for a rewrite. Any modification was having impacts on plenty other projects. I know since our application was feeding on data coming from the shite...
And rewriting those applications... that's probably never going to happen. You think they're hard to maintain, they will be even more difficult to reverse-engineer when the original coders aren't around and the documentation is sketchy at best.
That's the good thing about HP3000 dying, they will have to replace the system! NO CHOICE! If you have not worked with those things and 30 year old programs, you don't know what you are talking about...
BTW, the things are not difficult to reverse engineer, all they are doing is text processing. You coud replace those systems with awk scripts and it would still be better an easier to maintain.
Let's replace all these crappy old systems (hardware + software) with something more decent. Replace HP3000 with HP9000, Cobol with C++, and EDI with XML.
I for one, think that updating hardware and software every 30 years should be mandatory. Think of all the time lost to update and maintain that crap!
Nostalgia is not for Teckies!!! (except when it concerns Arcade games ;o)
By the way, I don't want to hear about Unix being far older than Windows... Unix is still being developed actively.
I like to play on a TV (bigger screen, playing from the couch...)
I don't want to go through the pain of keeping my PC up to speed in term of patches, drivers. Installing the games, uninstalling them, solve the conflicts. Well, you get the picture.
I like the fact that the kids just press on and off and don't screw up my PC configuration.
Keeping up with the latest games can become expensive (new PC every (2) year(s)?)
Besides, we all know Windows is very stable but I haven't seen a Blue Screen of Death on my PS2 yet.
The controlers and games which are usually better. And so on, and so on...
And no, I don't think this is funny!
It claims that SuSE is a US company (funny how I could have sworn it was German ;o)
It also says that Alan Cox will take over 2.4 once 2. 5 is opened which is wrong...
The whole war story is totally ridiculous. There has never been a talk about a fork. All there was were discussions of whether a new VM should be brought in 2.4 instead of 2.5, and some talk about the validity of benchmarks showing the improvements with the new VM.
I guess there is not much going on in the news for them to feel like writing about this...
Besides, this is nothing new since Alan Cox sayed that his last ac patch would probably be the last one with the old VM.
What about refuting my arguments instead of doing stupid statements?
Ok, first, I agree that climate has been warmer. But there weren't as many people around at that time. There where also more trees (or green stuff).
;o)
Desertification + increased polution + dioxide levels on the rise = what is worrying me
Imagine, China and India burning all their forest and using as much energy as western countries, and I think we are in big trouble... Well that is if we don't find another way to kill humanity first
Ok, volvanoes produce more toxic emission than the whole industrial civilization... I am still not convinced about that one personally. What kind of pollution are we talking about here? Which substances?
Concerning experimenting, we a bit in a dead end. But I think that the attitude saying "we can't prove it, so let's not care!" is a bit childish.
So far we have got only one planet, so we should better be careful about it... Well that's my opinion anyway.
Ha ha ha!
You make me laugh!
Assume nothing...
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So you believe more the people who make made money of using CFC than those "wacky environmentalist".
I understand that it is far more logic to believe reasearch financed by people who have a financial interrest in it, than people who believe there is a risk for health...
I myself, tend to believe more of the crackpot pseudoscience than the greedy bastard pseudoscience, thank you very much!
Besides, I don't think it costed billions, else I would bet that using alternatives would never have been implemented that fast!
The fact that the hole is peaking 10 years after we limited the use of CFC is rather a proof that they were right IMHO.
And you part about ice melting in the north pole is just so stupid! Global warming is a fact, the north pole is disapearing and water levels are rising. Look at statistics and ice studies...
Just keeping your head inside your arse will not make these problems go away.
There are evidences that we are destroying nature, look at the rivers! Now imagine the whole world polluting as the US and think at how long it would take for the world to become a dump!
T
he US citizens are not even one 20th of the world population but they manage to produce half the pollution. It's time for people to think ahead a bit and try to show a better example! Saying "no" to an international initiative to reduce emissions is not the best example the US could give to rising economies!
This is probably just due to the fact that people complained that with one of their software (don't remeber which one), asking about monkeys would return the picture of a black family.
But I am sure someone else will give the link to that stuff...
But from the law, this seem to say that they can only check (ie. compare with the FBI db of finger prints), not collect it and use it to build a more complete db.
Do you confirm my thoughts? This is already bad as it is, if they can even use this to build a fingerprint list of everybody, then this is just over the top.
My company has about 20 laptops from Dell, and they keep getting repaired. This is for all kind of models and it has been the case for years.
Before we used to have IBMs, never got a problem with those. And I have heard the same complaint from other people (in different companies) who had to switch from IBM to Dell.
My conclusion? You get what you pay for. Dell are cheaper but they are crap!
He is feeding the Trolls... The funny thing is that he is catching a lot of them.
You guys have no sense of humour!
Do you really think he would post a story about a gadget that he thinks is really lame? Come on!