Proof Katz killed his original article an hour ago
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Heh.. here's the link to Katz's original article that he posted this morning, before trying to pull it. Hopefully, it will still be there by the time you read this. Dont be surprised if it isnt. If Katz deletes it to make the cover-up complete, I've provided a link to it snapshotted off my own browser. Im surprised people arent screaming "censorship!!" over his attempt to quietly dispose of the criticisms people (like myself) were giving him on the original article he removed.
Jon Katz killed the first article due to bad react
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I noticed it too. Infact, I felt it was rather underhanded.
Katz's original story (on the dead of newspapers) was riddled with obvious proof he wrote it in Microsoft Word... all the ' characters were "?"'s instead.
He tried to quickly go back and correct them by hand, and when he saw the cat was already out of the bag, he pulled the article in its entirety to prevent people from knowing he made it in Microsoft Word.
Want proof?
Here you go -- I'm in the process of uploading the proof as we speak. I took screen snapshots of the original article out of my browser cache. The snapshot of the article was taken after he went back to correct the Microsoft Word mistakes. My reply (#10) was written with a direct quote from the original version. Here's the URL:
Propaganda's contributions to VA and the community were "overlooked", in your words. I also have the email.
It had to be brought to your attention, before you even realized it, Chris. Thats what matters. Most of the people who helped out VA on a volunteer basis were similarly "overlooked"..You guys just didn't care. That told me a great deal about how much importance VA places in recognizing the volunteers who helped them get where they are today..At one point, I stopped and counted over a dozen people who put a great deal of work in making themes.org, and other sites look nice, who werent given the same consideration.
Considering the total scam that took place when VA ent public (i.e. an artificially high opening price that magically jumped to $300 a share a minute and a half after the opening bell) I'm glad I decided not to be involved in that horseshit.
The fact that no one knew, and no one cared was a valuable lesson. Worth more than any praise and esteem it would have meant to be recognized, and certainly worth more than any money I would have made on the stock.
No, I dont hate you, Chris. But the company you work for is far, far different on the inside than they appear to be on the outside.
Thank you for submitting your various clue-deprived assumptions to the world. I'll now take the time to correct them, and you.
Firstly, the "same damn swirly-theme-with-some-random-set-of-colors-in-som e-boring-pattern motif" apparently is quite popular. To date, we've had well over 30 million hits on the site, not to mention about 300,000 visitors since the project began just over a year ago. Did I mention the 1,200,000 copies of Red Hat 6.0, and 6.1 which ship with a good sized chunk of Propaganda tiles on each? Oh, lest we forget Mandrake..them too by virtue of association. I dont think your view is shared by the populous.
Secondly, my work (and Naru's subsequent work) is not being "forced" on you, or anyone. To my knowledge, no one is being subjected to our collection of free desktop backgrounds against their will. Check with Amnesty International. I'm sure they have a few people looking out for this and other serious civil rights abuses.
Thirdly, and most importantly, you're completely and absolutely wrong in this case:
"No accounting for taste, of course, but I just don't see what the big deal is about Propaganda's stuff that it has to get (likely extraordinary) funding from VA Linux, among other things."
You wanna know how much "extraordinary funding" i've recieved from VA Linux Systems? Zero. Thats right, you read it correctly. Nothing. Zero. $0.00. In British Pounds, that translates to 0.00. In pesos, thats 'cero'. In Lire, thats also 0.00... Infact, if you really want to get down to it, this project cost me about 1000 hours of work, and about $450 out of pocket. Red Hat never paid me a dime..I got an IPO invitation from them, but silly me, I refused to lie on a financial statement with E-Trade in order to get in on it. Damn those morals of mine! What about VA? VA didnt even recognize me when they were handing out IPO invitations.
As you can see, i've made absolutely no money from this project. Guess what that means? That means youre complaining about something youre getting FOR FREE. The whole reason you're getting it for free, because for a long time I liked making people happy by putting whatever talent I had to use for the Linux community. And you, sitting pretty in a position to pass judgement over an entire year's worth of labor, and the sum total of nearly eight hundred images, would like everyone in the world to know that "Its not something to get all worked up about."
Well, thank you for your comment. I hope that you'll continue to take mine, and other's work for granted. Naru's work may not yet be as refined as mine, but thats no reason to afford him any less respect.
In the meantime, you, and other people who find it necessarry to look a gift horse in the mouth can form a line to the left to kiss my ass. Lucky for you, thats also free. You see, its people like you that remind me of why I stopped doing things for other people for free.
I read the article too, a few days ago. Very well written, and about time someone got on a soapbox about it.
SRPM's are nice, but..One thing has to happen. We either all need to decide on a distrib, or we all need to decide on a packaging standard. Guess which is going to be the easier of the two to do? Packaging.
I'm all for a universal packaging standard. Call 'em.UPS files. Oops!:)
Perhaps you don't understand the concept of corporate sales, my boy. It costs Microsoft $300 per box, and they turn around and sell it for $150. Their cash reserves let them do this -- flood the market with cheap consoles to shove Sony and Sega out of a lucretive market. Makes sense to me.
Probably the first man is Slashdot history to respond to himself,
Apple was right to bulldoze these. They were bad machines in alot of ways.
The boxes themselves looked.. unconventional. It looked more like a keyboard-driven beige oscilloscope than anything immediately recognizable as a computer. In terms of functionality, the Lisa lacked alot of commonly desired features which were in demand at the time (heh, like color) and seemed more like a machine that was trying desparately to be unique rather than truly functional. Whatever you _could_ do with one often took a great deal of time to accomplish, and the box itself would crash fairly frequently. Above that, it wasnt abundantly clear to the first-time user how to go about operating one, and why this sort of design was better than the conventional command-line driven concept used in personal computers in common usage at that time.
I think Apple's main motivation for killing the Lisa was that it would have been a public-relations disaster anyway. Better to drop the curtain on a bad product than to have the public drop the curtain on you. If youre going to make a splash with a new product and a new idea, you dont package it in the form of a failure.
(FYI, this was in a public library in my home town, in 1984. First GUI I ever saw, thats why I remember it.)
I am the Susan Lucci of the Beanie Awards
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humor_mode(on);
When I found out E won, I looked up from my plate of pancakes and said, "Well, that sucks. I shoulda won that one." (I really like pancakes)..It put a damper on my whole day. "Bastards," I thought to myself, "..dont these people realize that its a windowmanager?" I mean, cthulga, xlockmore, thats eye-candy. Saying a windowmanager is eye-candy is like saying "Mmmm! Wow! Look at the morals on that gal!"..A windowmanager is incidental to what goes _in_ it. Propaganda is a $5,000 paintjob with 10 layers of polyurethane high-gloss finish. Enlightenment is merely a chassis.
As I ate my pancakes, I imagined Geoff and Carsten gladly accepting the award, and the $2000 prize that went with it.. I imagined them going to the bank to cash it, and stopping by Piggly Wiggly to pick up a roll of scotch tape, only to march home, tape all the bills together in one big long line, roll it up, and insert it into the toilet paper holder right next to the john. "Damnit!" I said to myself, "Geoff and Carsten make too much money! Salary! Stock options! What good would two grand do those two?" , and I began to dream...What would I do with two grand?
I'd put it to good use, thats what I would do with it.
I'd hire a skywriter up in Redmond to put the words "WE SUCK" with a big arrow pointing down to Microsoft's HQ, every day for a year.
I'd go to one of those ultra-sized supermarks and buy like 200 kegs of Log Cabin syrup..keep one for my pancakes, and pour the rest into Lake Washington where Gates lives, so his whole house smells like maple syrup for weeks. Call in the news media, and blame it on Bill, saying he finally went nutty like Howard Hughes did. "He just likes dumping maple syrup into the lake behind his house, then denying it." , i'd tell the press.
Or, if on that particular day, I felt particularly artistic, I would...eh, well...if only I had won. Maybe the world could have been different.
I'll just eat my pancakes and wait till next year.;)
"Well, at least your not like Susan Lucci....not yet." - My dad
#1) Copyright *everything* . Trust me on that one. #2) Stay quiet until you're ready for showtime. #3) Dont compete if you can cooperate instead. #4) NDA's are your friend.:) #5) Dont trust people who make their living from other people's work. #6) Know when youre in a position to dictate terms, and know when you're not.
How soon we forget the Halloween documents.. *sigh*
Microsoft realizes that there is no defacto standard for multimedia content for Linux yet..Its a valuable inroad for them. There is no defacto standard not because we lack one, but because the community as a whole hasn't firmly decided on any. We have streaming audio, video, etc, but as a whole, we simply haven't settled on a standard yet.
So, Microsoft being Microsoft, they'll attempt to move in, and pollute one or more pre-existing standards with proprietary Microsoft-backed "improvements", and bingo, they have us where they want us..now they control the way content gets delivered.
...You want that? Go right ahead. The rest of us will stick to what we know to be a (tm) Good Thing. Open standards, decided by consensus, not Mickeysoft.
Like I just said, I rarely touched a computer between October and early January, and even at that, it was usually only to discuss matters with my staff.
We had a little IRC party, if you recall..Thats about the only significant thing I did during October and January..I was bedridden for most of that time. During one of my talks with a couple guys on staff, I was approached by someone from l.c, who conducted an impromptu interview with me. He was in a hurry, and needed the help, so I gave it. Took about an hour or so.
If I remember correctly, SourceForge sprung from the ashes of ColdStorage, which was apparently going to be a Freshmeat clone. When that project collapsed, whoever was heading up the project decided to take it in an entirely different direction, and SourceForge was born.
No offense, but I just cant help but wonder how an idea I had two years ago, and had discussed at some length with a few people at VA *several* times between July and early August of '99 could materialize out of thin air with several full-time, funded VA employees behind it, all without our knowledge.
Well, if what you say is true (I have no reason to doubt you) then your choice was rather uncanny to say the least.
My problem isnt with you, or Trae, or Patrick, or anyone really. I'm actually fairly happy that SourceForge is taking off--In a small way, it validates what we were trying to do with S12. I also hope Patrick succeeds with his project, too..Both were and are much-needed additions to the community. My "problem", if you could even call it that, is that i'm growing fairly tired of people who refuse to be creative, and think of new things, and new ideas. Theres too much copying going on. Just look at Slashdot -- Even though Rob releases the source for his work, it has done nothing but spawn an endless array of poorly contrived knockoffs. Its happened with every project i've been involved with for the last couple years. I dont think its too much to ask for someone to sit down and brainstorm about what can be done, instead of thinking about re-doing whats already there. We have enough of that already.
FYI, the concept of what we were doing in System 12 last year (that is, a hosting umbrella for developers, and providing content for them to deploy) came out of the demise of InSight 2+ years ago. Back then it was called NuBox, and got mothballed when Propaganda took off. Now it sits on a backup tape. System 12 was something I dreamed of, wanted very strongly to do for the community even then, let alone when I agreed to head up the project in May '99. I was even interviewed (by Trae himself!) for the old themes.org's Tile Of The Week feature, where NuBox was discussed briefly. I had every intention of guiding that project to fruition, even if it took a year or more to do so, without pay, and without any sort of compensation. That was my big break, I thought..So did the 11 others who agreed to bust their ass for 6 months to make it happen. Then we got forced off the map.
As for your offer..nothing personal, Chris, but I dont need hardware, bandwidth, or any other resources. What I do need, however, are people who know the distinction between cooperation and competition. There are a few key people at VA who don't understand this concept, i'm afraid.
Slashdot Mirror
Heh.. here's the link to Katz's original article that he posted this morning, before trying to pull it. Hopefully, it will still be there by the time you read this. Dont be surprised if it isnt. If Katz deletes it to make the cover-up complete, I've provided a link to it snapshotted off my own browser. Im surprised people arent screaming "censorship!!" over his attempt to quietly dispose of the criticisms people (like myself) were giving him on the original article he removed.
The article Katz pulled this morning
Snapshots of the post before it was pulled off Slashdot
To study or to play,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
I noticed it too. Infact, I felt it was rather underhanded.
Katz's original story (on the dead of newspapers) was riddled with obvious proof he wrote it in Microsoft Word... all the ' characters were "?"'s instead.
He tried to quickly go back and correct them by hand, and when he saw the cat was already out of the bag, he pulled the article in its entirety to prevent people from knowing he made it in Microsoft Word.
Want proof?
Here you go -- I'm in the process of uploading the proof as we speak. I took screen snapshots of the original article out of my browser cache. The snapshot of the article was taken after he went back to correct the Microsoft Word mistakes. My reply (#10) was written with a direct quote from the original version. Here's the URL:
http://www.linuxpimp.com/~bowie
Now you know why we hate you, Katz.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Propaganda's contributions to VA and the community were "overlooked", in your words. I also have the email.
It had to be brought to your attention, before you even realized it, Chris. Thats what matters. Most of the people who helped out VA on a volunteer basis were similarly "overlooked"..You guys just didn't care. That told me a great deal about how much importance VA places in recognizing the volunteers who helped them get where they are today..At one point, I stopped and counted over a dozen people who put a great deal of work in making themes.org, and other sites look nice, who werent given the same consideration.
Considering the total scam that took place when VA ent public (i.e. an artificially high opening price that magically jumped to $300 a share a minute and a half after the opening bell) I'm glad I decided not to be involved in that horseshit.
The fact that no one knew, and no one cared was a valuable lesson. Worth more than any praise and esteem it would have meant to be recognized, and certainly worth more than any money I would have made on the stock.
No, I dont hate you, Chris. But the company you work for is far, far different on the inside than they appear to be on the outside.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Hi!
Thank you for submitting your various clue-deprived assumptions to the world. I'll now take the time to correct them, and you.
Firstly, the "same damn swirly-theme-with-some-random-set-of-colors-in-so
Secondly, my work (and Naru's subsequent work) is not being "forced" on you, or anyone. To my knowledge, no one is being subjected to our collection of free desktop backgrounds against their will. Check with Amnesty International. I'm sure they have a few people looking out for this and other serious civil rights abuses.
Thirdly, and most importantly, you're completely and absolutely wrong in this case:
"No accounting for taste, of course, but I just don't see what the big deal is about Propaganda's stuff that it has to get (likely extraordinary) funding from VA Linux, among other things."
You wanna know how much "extraordinary funding" i've recieved from VA Linux Systems? Zero. Thats right, you read it correctly. Nothing. Zero. $0.00. In British Pounds, that translates to 0.00. In pesos, thats 'cero'. In Lire, thats also 0.00... Infact, if you really want to get down to it, this project cost me about 1000 hours of work, and about $450 out of pocket. Red Hat never paid me a dime..I got an IPO invitation from them, but silly me, I refused to lie on a financial statement with E-Trade in order to get in on it. Damn those morals of mine! What about VA? VA didnt even recognize me when they were handing out IPO invitations.
As you can see, i've made absolutely no money from this project. Guess what that means? That means youre complaining about something youre getting FOR FREE. The whole reason you're getting it for free, because for a long time I liked making people happy by putting whatever talent I had to use for the Linux community. And you, sitting pretty in a position to pass judgement over an entire year's worth of labor, and the sum total of nearly eight hundred images, would like everyone in the world to know that "Its not something to get all worked up about."
Well, thank you for your comment. I hope that you'll continue to take mine, and other's work for granted. Naru's work may not yet be as refined as mine, but thats no reason to afford him any less respect.
In the meantime, you, and other people who find it necessarry to look a gift horse in the mouth can form a line to the left to kiss my ass. Lucky for you, thats also free. You see, its people like you that remind me of why I stopped doing things for other people for free.
Have a GREAT day,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
I read the article too, a few days ago. Very well written, and about time someone got on a soapbox about it.
SRPM's are nice, but..One thing has to happen. We either all need to decide on a distrib, or we all need to decide on a packaging standard. Guess which is going to be the easier of the two to do? Packaging.
I'm all for a universal packaging standard. Call 'em
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Perhaps you don't understand the concept of corporate sales, my boy. It costs Microsoft $300 per box, and they turn around and sell it for $150. Their cash reserves let them do this -- flood the market with cheap consoles to shove Sony and Sega out of a lucretive market. Makes sense to me.
Probably the first man is Slashdot history to respond to himself,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
If it does all that, why don't they bundle it with a $5 keyboard, a $5 mouse, and just release it as a computer for $150?
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Apple was right to bulldoze these. They were bad machines in alot of ways.
The boxes themselves looked.. unconventional. It looked more like a keyboard-driven beige oscilloscope than anything immediately recognizable as a computer. In terms of functionality, the Lisa lacked alot of commonly desired features which were in demand at the time (heh, like color) and seemed more like a machine that was trying desparately to be unique rather than truly functional. Whatever you _could_ do with one often took a great deal of time to accomplish, and the box itself would crash fairly frequently. Above that, it wasnt abundantly clear to the first-time user how to go about operating one, and why this sort of design was better than the conventional command-line driven concept used in personal computers in common usage at that time.
I think Apple's main motivation for killing the Lisa was that it would have been a public-relations disaster anyway. Better to drop the curtain on a bad product than to have the public drop the curtain on you. If youre going to make a splash with a new product and a new idea, you dont package it in the form of a failure.
(FYI, this was in a public library in my home town, in 1984. First GUI I ever saw, thats why I remember it.)
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Heh.. And we got slammed for publically calling Bob Metcalfe a 9.9 richter-scale idiot 8 months ago.
Don't say we never told you so.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
My thoughts exactly. I heard this news item on friggin radio two or three days ago.
Slashdot ain't what it used to be, thats for sure.
(Sorry, Rob. Its just my own observation.)
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
God isn't dead. He's in your head, right where he aught to be.
Duty now,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
humor_mode(on);
When I found out E won, I looked up from my plate of pancakes and said, "Well, that sucks. I shoulda won that one." (I really like pancakes)
As I ate my pancakes, I imagined Geoff and Carsten gladly accepting the award, and the $2000 prize that went with it.. I imagined them going to the bank to cash it, and stopping by Piggly Wiggly to pick up a roll of scotch tape, only to march home, tape all the bills together in one big long line, roll it up, and insert it into the toilet paper holder right next to the john. "Damnit!" I said to myself, "Geoff and Carsten make too much money! Salary! Stock options! What good would two grand do those two?" , and I began to dream...What would I do with two grand?
I'd put it to good use, thats what I would do with it.
I'd hire a skywriter up in Redmond to put the words "WE SUCK" with a big arrow pointing down to Microsoft's HQ, every day for a year.
I'd go to one of those ultra-sized supermarks and buy like 200 kegs of Log Cabin syrup..keep one for my pancakes, and pour the rest into Lake Washington where Gates lives, so his whole house smells like maple syrup for weeks. Call in the news media, and blame it on Bill, saying he finally went nutty like Howard Hughes did. "He just likes dumping maple syrup into the lake behind his house, then denying it." , i'd tell the press.
Or, if on that particular day, I felt particularly artistic, I would
I'll just eat my pancakes and wait till next year.
"Well, at least your not like Susan Lucci....not yet." - My dad
humor_mode(off);
Congrats Carsten & Geoff
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
A butterfly flutters its wings in an African savannah..
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
One will be pushed off the gameboard. Guess which.
Server51 will either be gobbled up, or forced off the map entirely, IMHO. VA doesnt have a "Department of Caring".
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Someone's there playing an accordian. That might have something to do with why the picture is so bad :)
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Heh.. I'll be popping the champagne in Tucson if I win.
On the other hand, If I lose, i'll drink it.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Its about time Blizzard (and other good game companies) got on the clue-train. We've been after them for years.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
#1) Copyright *everything* . Trust me on that one.
#2) Stay quiet until you're ready for showtime.
#3) Dont compete if you can cooperate instead.
#4) NDA's are your friend.
#5) Dont trust people who make their living from other people's work.
#6) Know when youre in a position to dictate terms, and know when you're not.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Hey. Leave us out of this.
;)
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Beware.
How soon we forget the Halloween documents.. *sigh*
Microsoft realizes that there is no defacto standard for multimedia content for Linux yet..Its a valuable inroad for them. There is no defacto standard not because we lack one, but because the community as a whole hasn't firmly decided on any. We have streaming audio, video, etc, but as a whole, we simply haven't settled on a standard yet.
So, Microsoft being Microsoft, they'll attempt to move in, and pollute one or more pre-existing standards with proprietary Microsoft-backed "improvements", and bingo, they have us where they want us..now they control the way content gets delivered.
...You want that? Go right ahead. The rest of us will stick to what we know to be a (tm) Good Thing. Open standards, decided by consensus, not Mickeysoft.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
If the **NSA** for christ's sake, is using **Windows**....then I've lost what little faith I still had in government.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Ahha. :) Ok..Thanks for the heads up.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Will do. For the record, Chris, I think you're one of the good ones.
Take care,
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Like I just said, I rarely touched a computer between October and early January, and even at that, it was usually only to discuss matters with my staff.
We had a little IRC party, if you recall..Thats about the only significant thing I did during October and January..I was bedridden for most of that time. During one of my talks with a couple guys on staff, I was approached by someone from l.c, who conducted an impromptu interview with me. He was in a hurry, and needed the help, so I gave it. Took about an hour or so.
If I remember correctly, SourceForge sprung from the ashes of ColdStorage, which was apparently going to be a Freshmeat clone. When that project collapsed, whoever was heading up the project decided to take it in an entirely different direction, and SourceForge was born.
No offense, but I just cant help but wonder how an idea I had two years ago, and had discussed at some length with a few people at VA *several* times between July and early August of '99 could materialize out of thin air with several full-time, funded VA employees behind it, all without our knowledge.
I dont think i'll ever know.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)
Hi Chris,
Well, if what you say is true (I have no reason to doubt you) then your choice was rather uncanny to say the least.
My problem isnt with you, or Trae, or Patrick, or anyone really. I'm actually fairly happy that SourceForge is taking off--In a small way, it validates what we were trying to do with S12. I also hope Patrick succeeds with his project, too..Both were and are much-needed additions to the community. My "problem", if you could even call it that, is that i'm growing fairly tired of people who refuse to be creative, and think of new things, and new ideas. Theres too much copying going on. Just look at Slashdot -- Even though Rob releases the source for his work, it has done nothing but spawn an endless array of poorly contrived knockoffs. Its happened with every project i've been involved with for the last couple years. I dont think its too much to ask for someone to sit down and brainstorm about what can be done, instead of thinking about re-doing whats already there. We have enough of that already.
FYI, the concept of what we were doing in System 12 last year (that is, a hosting umbrella for developers, and providing content for them to deploy) came out of the demise of InSight 2+ years ago. Back then it was called NuBox, and got mothballed when Propaganda took off. Now it sits on a backup tape. System 12 was something I dreamed of, wanted very strongly to do for the community even then, let alone when I agreed to head up the project in May '99. I was even interviewed (by Trae himself!) for the old themes.org's Tile Of The Week feature, where NuBox was discussed briefly. I had every intention of guiding that project to fruition, even if it took a year or more to do so, without pay, and without any sort of compensation. That was my big break, I thought..So did the 11 others who agreed to bust their ass for 6 months to make it happen. Then we got forced off the map.
As for your offer..nothing personal, Chris, but I dont need hardware, bandwidth, or any other resources. What I do need, however, are people who know the distinction between cooperation and competition. There are a few key people at VA who don't understand this concept, i'm afraid.
Bowie J. Poag
Project Manager, PROPAGANDA For Linux (http://propaganda.themes.org)