You apparently missed the sarcasm, they also killed 30 of our sailors during the six day war and their intelligence service targeted US interests in Egypt in a failed false flag attack meant to get the Egyptian govt to crack down on the brotherhood or some other naer do well in an attempt to instill instability and keep the UN there. It was known as the Lavon affair. I could go on.
Devil's advocate here for a second. You assume that death by cancer and death by terrorist are the same thing to a person. What if I put the weighted cost of dying by cancer at 1/2 that of dying by terrorist attack. This is a relatively fair assessment since death by terrorist dramatic and going to be talked about for a long time. Also this is a hypothetical situation. Then it would be a border case if I wanted the scanners or not. 1/3 and I would certainly want them. Placing or removing these scanners forces everyone to face the same cost and risk at least if flying coach. Someone who would rather have cancer than die by terrorist attack they can't make that choice. The two airlines one with security and one without also would not be enough as there is only two options. Expand that until every one is happy and you will have as many airlines as passengers and costs will skyrocket and look something like the highway system. Like I said devil's advocate, personally I hate the idea and fortunately have not had the need to fly in several years.
What I find more confusing is the sentence "Panda dung statue sells for..." so what is it? Is it a statue of panda dung? A statue of a panda made of some kind of dung? A statue of a panda made of panda dung? A statue of something made of panda dung? The price is easily explainable, it was likely sold at a charity auction for pandas, it is now something that this person can remind people he paid $45,000 to a charity to save pandas.
Except it wasn't espionage, first because he did not leak the documents with the intent of harming the country. And second because Israel is our friend and can never hurt us no matter how many wars against their neighbors that they can't get along with they get us into. Also the people who received the documents were also charged but charges were dropped for the first two reasons and because it may have set a bad precedent that could be applied here against wikileaks.
There are to me several reasons MOST of the documents shouldn't have been leaked. First and foremost the assessments of foreign leaders need to be frank and straightforward. Yes we all suspect Putin is the real power in Russian and many Russia watchers would tell you it is obvious but that needs to be confirmed by someone interacting with the powers in Russia. Same with Merkel, she is risk averse? so any proposal that you want her support on make sure you either control risk as much as possible or allow for that change to be made in the future. Why should the be confidential? So that someone you are working with and require a good relationship with to do you job doesn't find the unflattering opinion of them. The list of important sites should also not have been released, they could be compiled by terrorists on their own but at least we wouldn't be handing it to them. Accusations of Chinese involvement in computer intrusions need to be investigated before they are claimed in public, also giving China the chance to respond or make concessions. Agreements like Yemen allowing US drones to attack his citizens as long as he can claim credit, kind of in a middle ground. Their revelation most likely will deny us that opportunity, but the Yemenites should know who is attacking them in their home country. In one document a US democratic congressman told the head of Mossad that Obama would be "surprisingly open to all options in dealing with Iran." That was early on in Obama's term and shows that the diplomatic process to talk may have been mostly for show. Documents that were incorrectly classified to protect people from criticism or legal prosecution and show our leaders clearly knew they were lying to us should be released and show that we can't trust our government in many cases. However if only those are released then there will be the view that all the documents are like that since it can't be confirmed that they are not, so some benign ones need to be released but which ones?
"Why do you want to deny the rights to the US government that you'd like for yourself?" Because they deny them for me. You have nothing to hide right? Why don't you want to show us? Illegal wiretaps, new information about financial tracking. need I go on?
Ok Eichmann. As long as everyone follows orders and is too afraid to act up people with bad intentions against minorities will always win as long as they only target one portion of the population at a time. If this is something you can live with continue on.
A case recently where an American, Lawrence Franklin, leaked classified documents to Israel via AIPAC. He ended up with (from wikipedia) "On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined him $10,000 which Ellis later reduced to probation with ten months house arrest. The case was heard in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Ultimately, Franklin was charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, not with espionage." He ended up pleading guilty. There was also major political pressure from donors to many politicians to encourage a light sentence.
It is almost trivial in its repetitiveness, what you suggest is that we are all just grinding along in this giant MMORPG we call life? What is the end game? If any?
I always wondered why there isn't some kind of 'checkout' system. You have to request the item like you would from a library, it would be digital so infinite copies what ever, and a log of who has what checked out. Anyone who reads an inhumane amount of material over any period, accounting for the small amount of time to even browse all material you checkout, would throw a red flag. The cables are short but there is still no way this guy even read all 250k cables. Would limit the amount of exposure.
Many people haven't exactly stopped short of calling for his assassination "who will rid me of the bothersome leaker." The charges he is facing are clearly inflated beyond what they would normally receive, now if they are real and just getting more attention or as Assange claims convenient misrepresentations of the truth that are being inflated either way they are being inflated. I don't know the actual contents of the insurance file but assume it is a non redacted version and if his MO is to release everything that would make sense as he would know the government expects him to leak all info anyways. There are also many other signs that the gov't isn't playing straight on this one. Amazon dropping hosting service is one. They don't have the right to distribute the info? Do I need the explicit right to distribute Shakespeare? Paypal has some ground to stand on as sharing classified information is illegal and paypals claim was that the site encouraged illegal behavior.
The fact that the charges are weak at best even by admission by their accusers. Oh and he wasn't acused of having non-consensual sex with 14 year olds. They were grown adult women. The lesson is these charges would have been ignored if they weren't artificially inflated to the level of international drug kingpin. The interpol most wanted doesn't justify itself. You yourself might want to educate yourself as you suggest.
Life, the universe, everything: Unfortunately the public comment period is over for this matter. If you wanted us to receive your input you should have gone around to the complaints dept. The plans were on display.
"I don't want to imagine a world without me, I won't be there." Then don't imagine it, you wont be around we'll get along alright and nothing will need to trouble you.
this has been talked about since at least the first Gulf war. There was an urban legend of Iraqi air defenses being taken out by a covertly U.S. supplied printer.
>>>only seems to bend over backwards continuing to let republicans to run him over.
Not correct. The Republicans only had ~40% of the congress and zero power to stop anything. It was the Blue Dog DEMOCRATS that have been opposing Obama. They are the ones that were blocking health reform and opposed single payer. They also demanded Obama write an XO forbidding the funds be used for abortions.
Obama had problems these last two years, but those problems existed *within* his own party, since many Dems are quite conservative & not agree with Obama's agenda.
those dems disagreed on specific issues like as you mention no money for abortion. The difference is they actually read the bill before saying we won't even consider it. repubs flat out as a party refused to discuss any issue related to the matter. and yes repubs did have the power to stop the bill by saying they would not support it in any form, that required a higher percentage of dems to go along with it. the goal of democracy is an agreeable medium not one side happy at the others expense. of course not everyone will agree perfectly with anything and I disagreed with many aspects of the insurance reform bill, repubs knew they only had to drag their feet long enough and get a few dems to disagree on some point or another and blame the failure on the dems. only one repub seemed the least bit interested in the content of the bill, sen. snowe.
before we throw this number around anymore, does anyone know approx. how much internet traffic normally goes through China? is the 15% number 15% more than normal, and additional 15%. a baseline is an incredibly important thing.
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You apparently missed the sarcasm, they also killed 30 of our sailors during the six day war and their intelligence service targeted US interests in Egypt in a failed false flag attack meant to get the Egyptian govt to crack down on the brotherhood or some other naer do well in an attempt to instill instability and keep the UN there. It was known as the Lavon affair. I could go on.
Devil's advocate here for a second. You assume that death by cancer and death by terrorist are the same thing to a person. What if I put the weighted cost of dying by cancer at 1/2 that of dying by terrorist attack. This is a relatively fair assessment since death by terrorist dramatic and going to be talked about for a long time. Also this is a hypothetical situation. Then it would be a border case if I wanted the scanners or not. 1/3 and I would certainly want them. Placing or removing these scanners forces everyone to face the same cost and risk at least if flying coach. Someone who would rather have cancer than die by terrorist attack they can't make that choice. The two airlines one with security and one without also would not be enough as there is only two options. Expand that until every one is happy and you will have as many airlines as passengers and costs will skyrocket and look something like the highway system. Like I said devil's advocate, personally I hate the idea and fortunately have not had the need to fly in several years.
right here. raises hand.
Not my opinion, your governments. Take it up with them. Sorry that isn't clear.
By that argument none of his body should be covered. Where do you stop? Shirt, shoes, pants...?
What I find more confusing is the sentence "Panda dung statue sells for..." so what is it? Is it a statue of panda dung? A statue of a panda made of some kind of dung? A statue of a panda made of panda dung? A statue of something made of panda dung? The price is easily explainable, it was likely sold at a charity auction for pandas, it is now something that this person can remind people he paid $45,000 to a charity to save pandas.
Except it wasn't espionage, first because he did not leak the documents with the intent of harming the country. And second because Israel is our friend and can never hurt us no matter how many wars against their neighbors that they can't get along with they get us into. Also the people who received the documents were also charged but charges were dropped for the first two reasons and because it may have set a bad precedent that could be applied here against wikileaks.
There are to me several reasons MOST of the documents shouldn't have been leaked. First and foremost the assessments of foreign leaders need to be frank and straightforward. Yes we all suspect Putin is the real power in Russian and many Russia watchers would tell you it is obvious but that needs to be confirmed by someone interacting with the powers in Russia. Same with Merkel, she is risk averse? so any proposal that you want her support on make sure you either control risk as much as possible or allow for that change to be made in the future. Why should the be confidential? So that someone you are working with and require a good relationship with to do you job doesn't find the unflattering opinion of them. The list of important sites should also not have been released, they could be compiled by terrorists on their own but at least we wouldn't be handing it to them. Accusations of Chinese involvement in computer intrusions need to be investigated before they are claimed in public, also giving China the chance to respond or make concessions. Agreements like Yemen allowing US drones to attack his citizens as long as he can claim credit, kind of in a middle ground. Their revelation most likely will deny us that opportunity, but the Yemenites should know who is attacking them in their home country. In one document a US democratic congressman told the head of Mossad that Obama would be "surprisingly open to all options in dealing with Iran." That was early on in Obama's term and shows that the diplomatic process to talk may have been mostly for show. Documents that were incorrectly classified to protect people from criticism or legal prosecution and show our leaders clearly knew they were lying to us should be released and show that we can't trust our government in many cases. However if only those are released then there will be the view that all the documents are like that since it can't be confirmed that they are not, so some benign ones need to be released but which ones?
Britain actually. He is in Britain.
"Why do you want to deny the rights to the US government that you'd like for yourself?" Because they deny them for me. You have nothing to hide right? Why don't you want to show us? Illegal wiretaps, new information about financial tracking. need I go on?
Ok Eichmann. As long as everyone follows orders and is too afraid to act up people with bad intentions against minorities will always win as long as they only target one portion of the population at a time. If this is something you can live with continue on.
A case recently where an American, Lawrence Franklin, leaked classified documents to Israel via AIPAC. He ended up with (from wikipedia) "On January 20, 2006, Judge T.S. Ellis, III sentenced Franklin to 151 months (almost 13 years) in prison and fined him $10,000 which Ellis later reduced to probation with ten months house arrest. The case was heard in United States District Court for the Eastern District of Virginia. Ultimately, Franklin was charged with unauthorized disclosure of classified information, not with espionage." He ended up pleading guilty. There was also major political pressure from donors to many politicians to encourage a light sentence.
It is almost trivial in its repetitiveness, what you suggest is that we are all just grinding along in this giant MMORPG we call life? What is the end game? If any?
I always wondered why there isn't some kind of 'checkout' system. You have to request the item like you would from a library, it would be digital so infinite copies what ever, and a log of who has what checked out. Anyone who reads an inhumane amount of material over any period, accounting for the small amount of time to even browse all material you checkout, would throw a red flag. The cables are short but there is still no way this guy even read all 250k cables. Would limit the amount of exposure.
Many people haven't exactly stopped short of calling for his assassination "who will rid me of the bothersome leaker." The charges he is facing are clearly inflated beyond what they would normally receive, now if they are real and just getting more attention or as Assange claims convenient misrepresentations of the truth that are being inflated either way they are being inflated. I don't know the actual contents of the insurance file but assume it is a non redacted version and if his MO is to release everything that would make sense as he would know the government expects him to leak all info anyways. There are also many other signs that the gov't isn't playing straight on this one. Amazon dropping hosting service is one. They don't have the right to distribute the info? Do I need the explicit right to distribute Shakespeare? Paypal has some ground to stand on as sharing classified information is illegal and paypals claim was that the site encouraged illegal behavior.
Actually only 46% was indeed marked classified. 6% was marked secret. None top secret. That is the whole point of classification levels.
The fact that the charges are weak at best even by admission by their accusers. Oh and he wasn't acused of having non-consensual sex with 14 year olds. They were grown adult women. The lesson is these charges would have been ignored if they weren't artificially inflated to the level of international drug kingpin. The interpol most wanted doesn't justify itself. You yourself might want to educate yourself as you suggest.
I would imagine it would be transported on a cart with wheels for moving on rough dirt. The robot would work on a small patch at a time.
"If there are no non-idiot candidates left, frankly it's time to rebel." Or run yourself?
Until everyone has had enough and any and all talk about wikileaks becomes background noise "oh they are still releasing stuff?"
Life, the universe, everything: Unfortunately the public comment period is over for this matter. If you wanted us to receive your input you should have gone around to the complaints dept. The plans were on display.
"I don't want to imagine a world without me, I won't be there." Then don't imagine it, you wont be around we'll get along alright and nothing will need to trouble you.
this has been talked about since at least the first Gulf war. There was an urban legend of Iraqi air defenses being taken out by a covertly U.S. supplied printer.
>>>only seems to bend over backwards continuing to let republicans to run him over.
Not correct. The Republicans only had ~40% of the congress and zero power to stop anything. It was the Blue Dog DEMOCRATS that have been opposing Obama. They are the ones that were blocking health reform and opposed single payer. They also demanded Obama write an XO forbidding the funds be used for abortions.
Obama had problems these last two years, but those problems existed *within* his own party, since many Dems are quite conservative & not agree with Obama's agenda.
those dems disagreed on specific issues like as you mention no money for abortion. The difference is they actually read the bill before saying we won't even consider it. repubs flat out as a party refused to discuss any issue related to the matter. and yes repubs did have the power to stop the bill by saying they would not support it in any form, that required a higher percentage of dems to go along with it. the goal of democracy is an agreeable medium not one side happy at the others expense. of course not everyone will agree perfectly with anything and I disagreed with many aspects of the insurance reform bill, repubs knew they only had to drag their feet long enough and get a few dems to disagree on some point or another and blame the failure on the dems. only one repub seemed the least bit interested in the content of the bill, sen. snowe.
before we throw this number around anymore, does anyone know approx. how much internet traffic normally goes through China? is the 15% number 15% more than normal, and additional 15%. a baseline is an incredibly important thing.