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WikiLeaks Starts Mass Mirroring Effort
A beautiful mind writes "WikiLeaks is asking for hosting space on Unix-based servers. The replication is implemented by a rsync+ssh based push that copies static files to a known path, authenticated via the private half of this public key. The complete website is a few GB in size, making it feasible to replicate on a large scale. The mirror list will be published when the number of independent mirrors reaches 50." Note: wikileaks.ch seems to be down for the moment, but eventually the above links may require that instead of 213.251.145.96. See also this WikiLeaks address finder. And for even more news, try this Twitter search.
Lower the barrier of entry even further, and just throw up a torrent or ten of static files which can be hosted anywhere, without fear of compromising your own server.
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
If convicts in maximum security can post on facebook, wikileaks can stay online.
The replication is implemented by a rsync+ssh based push...
Can we make our own private backup via rsync pull?
1. I had the speed
2. Didn't end up on every watchlist and eventually be blackbagged
They should also use Coral Cache : http://www.coralcdn.org/
How large would a torrent file of everything they host be? Feasable?
Captcha: pipeline
They should do China, which is messing with the internet as much as anyone... China has more secrets. There should be no reason Governments should be afraid of the truth... unless they are selling their own people out.
Since it's already released. It's already been revealed at least in Swedish news, that part of the encrypted "insurance" file that's been distributed via BT, is the *full* cablegate archive -- remember that by far most haven't been released yet, at least not to non-news organizations. And that's part of that file, and then some unknown stuff too. So if anything would happen to these guys that would piss them off enough, they'd just release the keys and boom, thousands of users would have this data.
Beware: In C++, your friends can see your privates!
now watch this be a mass theft of keys given and another mass hacking.
Don't forget to use Coral Cache: http://www.coralcdn.org/
Ok from what I understand some intelligence person released this information to wikileaks, so why is wikileaks sitting on this info releasing it piecemeal? Why not just release everything at once to all of us. problem solved.
did you forget to take your meds?
Everybody now
:-)
Can you sing "The Streisand effect is not about a nose"
To the tune of the monty python song
"Always Look on the Bright Side of Life"
I want to, so bad...but the servers I admin are all in a lab with defense contracts. And I really don't want my boss to lose his job. So it would be a bad idea. Makes me wish I'd kept my home server around though.
"I don't care about the Constitution!" --Bill O'Reilly, November 17, 2009
Once again ill say it. That is the perfect distribution method when you are being attacked by most of the free world.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
The current leaks are out. You cannot put the genie back in the bottle. Syncing around the world will do no good if the centralized source synced against keeps vanishing and eventually stays vanished.
My point is, that the current damage is done. Yanking WikiLeaks offline is about preventing further damage, and when it finally does go for good, people will be left with a stagnant, yesterday's news version. A million mirrors of previously disclosed documents wont help future leaks get distributed, while the people mirroring the current ones are literally just stepping into harms way.
Operation Streisand!
Could this be the first real battle waged mostly in the digital world? Every free country is out to get this guy and prevent him from getting his word out. The outcome of this will speak volumes for the future for the concept of being able to speak your mind.
( yes, i know there is questions about legality of the data, but that isn't the real issue here )
---- Booth was a patriot ----
So, being a US citizen here, and presently in the US, if I offer up a personal box, how much trouble am I in legally?
If I do get 'hauled in' what could I possibly be charged with?
While I am kinda rooting for wikileaks in this, I think anyone who is considering to sign up to think about this:
1. you give them shell access to your host
2. you grant access on the basis of a ssh public key, which you're getting from an unencrypted page. It could be anyone's and it could be coming from anywhere.
Consider the risks carefully before you sign up.
Wikileaks: please put some more thinking into your backup plans, even if you have to come up with them in emergency.
Wikileaks behavior here is ridiculous, and I don't think we should be supporting them at this point. Trust me, I am all for exposing corruption and illegal behavior, but that's not what Wikileaks released. Every partnership, company, country, etc, must have the ability to have frank internal conversations about various relationship with others, that must be private. Examples:
Clinton instructing diplomats to spy on UN officials : RELEASE
Afghan corruption throughout military operations: RELEASE
Candid assessments about Karzai's leadership : DO NOT RELEASE
Name calling of the Prince of England : DO NOT RELEASE
These extra releases have done nothing but put many countries into very awkward diplomatic relationships, which does nothing to benefit "fighting corruption." Those kinds of releases are stupid and unecessary.
In this case, I think wikileaks went waaay too far. Assange just wanted to make history by releasing all of them, because nothing like this has ever become public before. On that note, despite my bitter disagreement with him, it is intensely interesting to see a complete cross-section of classified US diplomatic discussions and assessments, and related communications with otehr governments. Probably not worth the damage done to global "social" health, but I will read every word of it...
I mean, giving Wikileaks an ssh account (as they're asking for) is pretty stupid, security-wise, but it's nowhere near as bad as giving _everyone_ your password by using FTP. You'd think Firesheep would've taught people something...
Don't thank God, thank a doctor!
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/5723136/b9f0899e6537431b462ffcb16d9398ad
One cannot sustain freedom without responsibility nor can one sustain responsibility without freedom.
why don't they just team up with the pirate bay for some distributed mirroring scheme? or ask them for the hosting, i'm sure those guys can handle some ddos?
...How about stopping the "we'll release a couple of records for 30 years unless you give us lots of money" horseshit and give out the files, unencrypted, to be mirrored everywhere for everybody to read? Isn't that what it's supposed to be all about?
how soon before someone on a shared hosting server installs the mirror code, and the FBI sweeps in and takes the whole server down?
A simple checklist for admins when considering this: Do I... 1. support government transparency and general democracy? 2. own a web server and know a fair bit about security? 3. have balls of steel? If yes to all of the above, you too can be a proud owner of a Wikileaks mirror!
Daily read for tech news: Freezenet.ca
I live in Thailand and WikiLeaks is blocked here for some ridiculous reason. The more the 'authorities' around the world try to squeeze the balloon, the more it bubbles out somewhere else. So this is golden for me. The more they are forced to host their site in a non-conventional highly-distributed way, the easier it becomes for the people of Thailand to access it.
I think Wikileaks made a grave mistake here. They are trusting all their information to foreign hosts; if these external people corrupt the data, Wikileaks will lose its credibility and people will ignore it.
Booth has been rotting for more than century, and as such is building this great country, building the soil of a land of plenty, as such he is certainly contributing, and many can not say the same.
they are important. very important.
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He is MY douchebag. He is the way i would want any douchebag to be like. I would share a flat with such a douchebag, at any given point.
As far as douchebags go, there were a lot of douchebags among the people who have pioneered this age of democracy that the power elite has made null and void.
Benjamin franklin used to strip naked and sit on a chair in the middle of a long corridor in his mansion, after opening the windows from both sides and ensuring that the corridor had good breeze.
Thomas paine was SO aggressive in his crusade against religion that, he set up a church of reason, and started a new religion.
i can go on and on.
in the list that can be made out of quirkiness, oddness, douchebagness of those people who now we see as pioneers of freedom or fighters of democracy, assanges alleged 'douchebagness' wouldnt even qualify in the top 100.
and it is as another poster had just commented: assange has done more than any western government did for freedom and democracy, since world war II.
our governments do not want us to know things they have done. this was supposed to be a democracy, in which people were in power, as 'we the people'. we have become 'them the people', who are herded.
wake up. wikileaks is what we have. assange and his team, are the ones doing it. support them. for your future and your children's.
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And you have no idea if Assange has been or not. Unless hes your best friend you really don't have a clue.
I also wont go as far as you have in raising him to nearly god like status, as while i agree he has done some good with some of the information he has given us, he has also done some bad. There really are cases where information is better left out of public hands for the time being.
---- Booth was a patriot ----
Never have mod points when I really need them. I've never seen people so terrified of the truth since.....well....hmmm.... I'd REALLY like to get a look at those Cheney Energy Task Force documents that they've been hiding from us for 10 years. I can hope that these will be leaked eventually.
http://lieberman.senate.gov/index.cfm/news-events/news/2010/12/amazon-severs-ties-with-wikileaks
"I call on any other company or organization that is hosting Wikileaks to immediately terminate its relationship with them. Wikileaks' illegal, outrageous, and reckless acts have compromised our national security and put lives at risk around the world."
C.f. "There are times when we must all endure adjustment to the Constitution in the name of security."
Coincidence? I think not!
The pages are all just HTML. They distribute via ssh. So why just look for Unix servers, when they're really just in need of web-accessible disk space?
I'm no Windows fanboy, but a Windows server would do equally well.
"Only wimps use tape backup: real men just upload their important stuff on ftp, and let the rest of the world mirror it ;)"
- Linus Torvalds
Although I must admit this is a bit of a new approach... Ask the rest of the world for a shell on their boxes and mass upload. The point of having a lot of nodes copy the main one is redundancy, if someone *cough* The US *cough* get into Wikileaks stuff, what's to keep them from just logging onto all these servers and erasing the copies too?
Taking a redundant system and making it dependant on a single node... Not too clever.
Yes, it's exactly that. But don't call it that, unless you want people using the word "war" to excuse torture and whatnot, even though nobody has been killed by this.
In spite of all the rhetoric, nobody has died just yet. For those who claim otherwise, give me the alleged victim's name, or I will not believe you.
stop bagging him, what have you done for man kind, nothing, but pollute the landfills.
He has used linux in the early 90s, have you? Hes complete linux geek like us, so drop your name calling.
Yes I too hope all banks are exposed for the biggest fraudsters in history. (Though you can get a teaser of the truth at infowars.com)
Secret #1. Global Currency will be active after a planned crash MKII.
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
I donated money via pay pal on Dec 3rd, the day wikileaks had their account cut off. Pay pal accounts are often put on a 180 day hold. I called paypal to verify my money is no longer held in paypal. They said they can say nothing about the issue. They would not even send that to me in writing. They would not give me a dispute number or any other tracking number for my unanswered question. The only comment they had was to contact the better business bureau. Anyone know a good laywer willing to call the pay pal legal department and find out where my donation is sitting?
I think it is fairly obvious why wikileaks wants to use ssh/push method to mirror their data. They can't use polling because, frankly, with the way they are being pushed around and shut down all the time there is just no way to guarantee that any host, domain name or IP address they provide would be available for an extended period of time.
Push method with a specific public/private key would allow them to push content from anywhere, as they are being chased and forced to change servers and providers.
I thought it was obvious but may be worth clarifying.
Btw, the main site seems to be down again.
Dude, if you listen to podcasts from financialsense.com you would have know that ;
A) Housing crisis was predicted 2 years ago.
B) the PIGS are going down in debt - Portugal,Ireland,Greece,Spain.
C) Banks are lending/printing trillions
Who wrote the bible, did they think it would have 100% positive results? Certainly there have been millions that have died in the name of it. Was jesus irresponsible for speaking the truth?
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
http://cryptome.org/0003/wikileaks-wikiing.htm
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
...but without the traditional forms of media (TV, Newspaper) vilifying Assange and Wikileaks or providing a forum for said attacks, there wouldn't be that much of a hoo-hah about this. The traditional media is really shooting themselves in the foot though, because it shows really how much they simply are a government mouthpiece and just repeating the party line. If they had done their job in the first place, there really would be nothing to leak and none of this would be news.
Once I was a four stone apology. Now I am two separate gorillas.
Cue the 300 wikileaks "mirrors" that serve up 90% advertising, 5% malware, and 5% leaks?
In my company (which I own) we have some servers available with their own IP and bandwidth. I'm also on a country where censorship is unlikely.
However I don't know much about server configuration and don't want to ask my IT people. I do know the basics and how to use shell and such
Would anyone please tell me how to comply with the following wikileaks requests:
-Setup an account where we can upload files using RSYNC+SSH
-Put our SSH key in this server
Thanks
You know what the guy who's face you've appropriated was up to? Now's your time to shine, Anonymous...
Nice try, United States Government.
Obi-Wan's last words apply here.
She didnt say stop you prick. She loved it all. You cannot enjoy it and come out days later to say "oh its rape coz im a girl and have the power to ruin peoples lives" .....
"Ardin hosted a party in Assange's honour at her flat after the 'crime' and tweeted to her followers that she was with the "the world's coolest smartest people, it's amazing!"
http://www.heraldsun.com.au/opinion/swedens-reputation-is-on-trial-in-julian-assange-case/story-e6frfhqf-1225965772832
Liberty freedom are no1, not dicks in suits.
This is just begging for hactivists to host wikileaks mirrors in funny locations.
1) root a server
2) set up as wikileaks mirror
3) ?
4) profit
Millions of little UNIXs sticking pins into the Obama and Hillary Monsters.
Eventually, I hope that an ammendment will pass removing the "right of appointmnt" from the President of the United States of Ameracia and making alll Cabinet Officals subject Election.
Currently, all Cabinet Officials live subject to the "whims" of the President of the United States of America without regard to the People of the United States of America.
There is the rub!
A massive portion of the US government is APPOINTED and not elected.
The President of the United States of America will fight to the death to retain any powers (those imagined and those actual).
Uncivil war is therefore called for.
May we enjoy these interesting times (a pun on a Chinese curse).
--308
...much better than FreeNet and Tor can. http://geti2p.net/
Many of the Wikileaks releases (including video files) have already been posted to I2P bittorrent trackers.
Today I killed two of my paypal accounts and will be killing my works pay pal account. I've also let them know it was because of Wikileaks. I have also just donated money to Wikileaks I look forward to be put on some list.
by TheSpoom (715771) Uncaring Linux user here. I have nothing to add to this but please continue. *munches popcorn*
Unix (the free variants) can be fully audited down to the last bit if necessary (unusual/bar behavior can be much more easily explained and fixed with some investigative effort).
Windows is simply NOT up to dealing with high security needs.
And the actions of Amazon and many other corps play dirty with their customers when the State Dept or Pentagon tell them to. I don't think MS is any exception to that corporatist dynamic.
or, you have not been able to comprehend the post you replied to.
you may also have come to this space/time continuum by some shitty time machine you have invented back in 1884, with all your moronic 'do you love your country' jargon that you are even unable to understand that who is censoring the internet is not assange, but 'the land of the free'.
all in all, you are surreal sir. either go back to 1884, or dont talk.
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Do the mirrored files include the financial support page? What is to stop an unscrupulous person changing the bank details and collecting money from people wishing to donate to WikiLeaks?
- Andrew
What we need is a cryptographically secure international currency. Julian Assange may be the person to make it happen.
http://michaelsmith.id.au
Unofficial Wikileaks mirror on I2P
Yes, the full link really is that long. That is because I2P does not fully rely on domain names... that b64 string is the site's public key which is also it's address.
* You need the I2P software (a FOSS project and free download) to use both of the above address. *
The announce thread for the I2P mirror is here.
Once the info for the new site propagates through the network, you can even access the I2P mirror *without* the I2P software using this URL. Of course, using this method you won't be anonymous.
A word about I2P: It's a network that provides anonymized IP-like communication using methods similar to Tor, but designed to handle torrents and other large loads efficiently. It is also less centralized than Tor, and taking down even 90% of the nodes (incl original ones) should still leave it running and accessible. It also has facilities for automatically mirroring files and sites. One downside is that configuring your browser to use the I2P Web is a manual process that must be done carefully. Overall though it seems to be pretty impressive.
Well... it was paypal. I'm pretty sure they just do deposits at this point. I'd say that the majority of people that have used paypal have gotten robbed by them at some time. We really need an alternative :/
There are networks that can handle extensive yanking (site censorship) and still deliver large files: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1896338&cid=34448224
Not picking on you specifically, but pay pal is so shady they are like the godaddy of internet paying. The freeze was bound to happen.
Take it up with your credit card company. Paypal did not provide the service you asked for. *MANY* credit card companies have dispute resolution. It is printed out on the back of your bill.
http://thepiratebay.org/torrent/6011954/WikiLeaks_(Entire_Site)_12-3-2010
I would like to donate a couple of seedbox i have in argentina (currenly seeding the cable torrent)
It's (relatively) easy to target democracies, especially the US. Ask yourself who really benefits from this.
Real journalists would spend more time reporting on the various failed-states and dictatorships around the world. You know, the ones with a "Ministry of Information" and "Ministry of Vice and Virtue". It might not be as easy but it would make the world a better place. WikiLeaks in its current state comes across as a cheap attack against the US by some guy with an ego trip. If you really wanted to further Democracy you would get more countries on-board, not take down the ones who have already made it.
Just my 2 cents.
and, who decides what should be secrets ? the ruling government of the private interests in power !!!! yesh !!!
that is the way to freedom indeed !!! allow secrets and allow censorship because of those secrets, BUT, let the elected representatives sponsored by PRIVATE interests decide what should be secrets !!!!!!!
you are not 1884 material, you are more 1300s material. you would happily live in a place where catholic church had inquisition.
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...for comparison.
Or if you have the same as I've got below, please reply with a 'Yea'.
Here is the fingerprint of the ssh key I (eventually) got from the posted address:
2048 72:16:b8:6a:e4:02:6f:69:ac:b4:7a:6a:9e:00:f1:b0
I have my doubts on whether they're doing a nett-positive thing to the world, but from a purely technical angle - why are they using the web?
Darknets have been around for a while. Good'ol Freenet comes to mind, and may be much better suited. That way they wouldn't have to have a target a-la Assange at all.
Use a distribution mechanism that, while it takes a bit more effort to get to work, allows untraceable unattackable, unaccountable distribution of the content.
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Sue them in small claims court. They either need to make good on your deal with them to give money to who you asked to give it to, or give it back to you.
I'd add 500 bucks in for your time and frustration in dealing with their deliberate breach of contract.
Because they thought Tor was good enough.
Use a distribution mechanism that, while it takes a bit more effort to get to work, allows untraceable unattackable, unaccountable distribution of the content.
See this post: http://yro.slashdot.org/comments.pl?sid=1896338&cid=34448224
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:BJGI0pmYUaYJ:cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/09BRUSSELS536.html+site:cablegate.wikileaks.org+cables+netherlands&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk
http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:TImP-cw6Rh4J:cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/09/09TRIPOLI771.html+site:cablegate.wikileaks.org+cables&cd=3&hl=en&ct=clnk
This is Google's cache of http://cablegate.wikileaks.org/cable/2009/04/09BRUSSELS536.html. It is a snapshot of the page as it appeared on 2 Dec 2010 01:00:25 GMT.
I wonder now - when will the US Govt. go after Google and demand Google clean up its cache. Since Google is "hosting" (uh ... caching) the leaked cables.
I really don't mind the future that David has outlined. But what has to happen is the social and governmental changes that come with the loss of personal privacy.
Really, I know what I'm doing...Ohhhh, look at the shiny buttons!
So you thought Aleksandr Solzhenitsyn http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Aleksandr_Solzhenitsyn , Andrei Sakharov http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andrei_Sakharov and other Samizdat http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Samizdat authors were a joke. Gave them Nobel prizes. Now, when you have got your first real samizdat author, you know how it feels.
I expect a WikiLeaks download worm any day now. Some hacker somewhere is going to get so pissed off at the government's response to this, I expect a worm which downloads and seeds the WikiLeaks to every computer it can spread to. Any downloads on a computer can be claimed as having been downloaded by the virus. Perfect plausible deniability, and the WikiLeaks data will never die.
Higher Logics: where programming meets science.
Because the point is public release, not invulnerable release.
Moreover, there's a strong Streisand Effect going on here. The more effort everyone puts into blocking the dump and screwing with the site, the more the site, the leaks, and the whole project are kept in the media. It'll be impossible to stomp it all out, but Assange and WL are getting a ton of free publicity for the project out of it.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
Actually, as my parents would tell you, the middle class is being pushed into that lower class through unbearably heavy medical insurance rates. Combine that with fewer and fewer workplaces offering comprehensive medical coverage, or finding more and more ways to push people into part time to avoid being required to cover them and you have the top 10 percent shifting the bottom 70-80 percent into poverty over time, regardless of their income levels prior to this.
Combined with the shitty stock market, mutual funds, bond rates, and interest rates, anybody without a sizable income and/or bank account capable of funding a thousand plus a month upon retirement will have very few options to both cover their bills as well as pay for the significant outlays in future medical expenses as they age.
I suppose for those of us who aren't planning to live beyond 30-40 that's not a big deal, but you'd better hope you end it quick, because if you linger the expenses are only going to increase.
Don't bother. Just chargeback using your credit card, then cancel your PayPal account.
I am still wondering why don't they publish the data as a hidden Tor service. This way the potential attackers would have hard time finding their IP address to attack.Cables are also small in size, so the limited bandwidth of the Tor network (usually around 2-20 kB/s) is not a problem.
I think you're doing yourself a disservice to dismiss feudalism as necessarily leading to inequality or inherently unjust, especially considering the state of modern production technologies and their impact on the working class. For all it's faults, feudalism provides an individualistic economic system realistically capable of providing for all members of a society even in the absence of large-scale trade and finance.
While I agree with your sentiment, and most of your analysis, I'm not sure that we agree on root causes, ie. conspiracy of the elite. A democracy dominated by a working middle class is such an historical aberration that it's important to recognize alternate, more fundamental, explanations for it's decline.
Human work can be separated into two types: productive work and make-work. These should need no definition. Productive work is that which produces capital. Make-work is that which limits the destruction of capital. For most of human civilization, make-work has dominated. In fact, make-work could historically be considered to be the "sine qua non" of human civilization. There has nearly always been a glut of worthless people in all societies who need busy-work to keep them from destroying the tiny bit of progress eeked-out by the rest.
Make-workers gravitate towards low-skilled government-subsidized work such as construction and social services, security and government industries. They built the pyramids. They conquered Europe several times over. They built thousands of miles of transportation infrastructure, mostly by hand. But they consumed many times more resources than they ever saved or produced. They are paid more than they would in a productive position relative to their skills, yet cost less to society than they would if left to their own devices.
The important distinction is that make-workers have very little real political power, aside from their willingness to stop doing busy-work and start destroying things instead. To counter this, societies have developed simple mechanisms for eliminating make-workers who cannot be controlled: wars and prisons. Those who display a tendency to cause destruction are sent to prison. When the prisons fill up or become burdensome, prisoners are sent to war. If they come back with more resources than they left with, they are greeted as heroes. If not, they are ridiculed and minimalized.
In my view, middle-class democratic worker's paradises arise only for a short time, as the consumption of newly discovered resources enables make-workers to become productive workers temporarily. They then gain a modicum of political influence, proportional to the value of their work in exploiting the resource as quickly as possible. When the resource is consumed, work loses value, make-work again dominates, and democracy subsides.
The United States arose to exploit the natural resources of the Americas. Workers here had an extremely good deal, and lots of political power, up until the exact moment at which those resources were economically depleted. That was probably more than 20 years ago. It's time to recognize this fact, move on, and establish more efficient modes of production, rather than trying to re-erect a democratic worker's paradise without the resources to support one.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
Every once in a long while there is a post here at Slashdot that should be modded +8. Yours in one such post.
I just cancelled my PayPal account, in future my money will go elsewhere.
I have been disgusted by PayPal's actions with respect to WikiLeaks and your post reminded me that I have a PayPal account.
The reason given was Other: WikiLeaks.
The problem with corporations (and why corporate citizenship is a frightening concept) is that corporations, by their very nature, have not sense of citizenship or loyalty. Corporations will never stand in support of such important things as our bill of rights, freedom of speech, etc. unless they feel it helps their bottom line.
If attacking a company's bottom line is the only way to make them behave as good citizens, then so be it.
That's closer to an answer to my original question.
If it can be released truly anonymously and in a technically-unstoppable way, why (short of feeding JA's need for drama at the expense of personal risk etc) does anyone need WL's entire public front?
Wouldn't it be a hell of a lot easier for them to operate when there's nothing targetable?
I assure you the Guardian and Der Spiegel would pay the same amount of attention to those cables and comparable material if they had to sit down someone to manually un-translate it from Swahili, let alone obtain them through a more technically involved process.
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Part of having a public front is credibility. If a bunch of bloggers said "Hey, we just got this dump of documents that looks like 20 years of diplomatic cables", it wouldn't get nearly as much attention in the media. WL has spent years building up its cred as an outlet of actually leaked documents. If those same bloggers approached Der Spiegel, they might not even get in the door. At this point, Assange can probably get their chief editor on the phone to discuss the next dump (which is apparently from a major American bank).
As a secondary effect, I imagine that the high profile of WL now serves to draw more attention from leakers, rather than less, so a high public profile actually fosters "business" for them. Cryptome has been going for more than a decade, but WL is who Brad Manning approached.
So yes, being this public causes problems, but it also opens up other doors. If Assange is killed tomorrow, everyone will think the U.S. did it. At this point, being visibly public is probably safer for Assange.
Anyone who loves or hates any language, platform, or manufacturer, doesn't know what they're talking about.
I tend to disagree.
If the story is there, not only will said bloggers get through the door, the door will get through them (in a bid to get there before the competing door).
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Assuming that he donated via credit card, the OP may want to consider very carefully whether it's wise to call his bank and inform them he used his credit in that way...especially if it's issued by Citibank. Right or not, they can close the account for any reason.
Each put £50 into the pot and then you can afford to rent your own server just for wikileaks. The point is that if/when it gets attacked by your government you don't really care if it is forcibly taken down by someone else. This is much better than putting a machine that in some way earns you money or something. You may want to check with the hosting provider first -- if you like them!
There is one wrong assumption, that there can be constant growth, its an impossibility and we need to find a new system that does good with what we got.
Think of it, constant growth that our whole economic system builds on is impossible, we are eating our children's dinner right now.
Nice prose full of fluff that let's you try to blame the lower classes for their circumstances. The people who built the Pyramids were not paid, build them or die. Conscripted soldiers were not paid, fight or die. Infrastructure and paying the people cost us more money than that infrastructure produced? Even though citizens and businesses rely on this infrastructure every single day? How about all the "make-workers" in middle or upper management? How about whole companies setup just to stifle competition and leech(patent trolls). How about people in corporations/government to lobby & be buddy buddy with each other to lock out competition? How about an entire industry that was setup to make imaginary financial derivatives that had absolutely no value to them and plummeting the economy into the worst recession/depression since The Great Depression? There is a lot of spinning tires going on at all levels. Usually the people on the bottom are the ones who are actually physically doing the labor and "being productive", those above are usually whipping boys making sure the cattle is getting more productive each year. Rarely are the people at the bottom there because they have tenancies to want to blow people up overseas or stealing from people, more likely it's to survive and they do not have many resources around them to succeed.
Those who go to war & those who do crime usually have something in common: they're poor. The military & crime may offer them the quickest way out of their circumstances. Usually going to war means doing the bidding of rich men. Also I am not sure when was that last time we released our prisoners to go to war? I am not aware of us emptying any of our prisons to send inmates over to Iraq...
Usually middle-class workers "paradise" goes away because "the elite"/Corporatocracy sees that people are getting a bigger piece of the pie and devises ways to extract that piece to make their own piece bigger. This is partially a folly of "growth based" economies where nothing is ever enough. Find, exploit, consume, move on. Or what's been more popular as of late "Fraud, exploit, consume, move on". Most companies in positions are power are not there because they got there honestly. Exploitation, fraud, bribes, wars..etc... It's dirty power and nothing worth looking up to.
Please do define, what resources the middle-class exploited & depleted in the US that caused the downfall of the US middle class? I would suggest the move towards globalism has done more to harm the middle-class, but then again Globalism has brought us cheap plastic stuff from china, that was cheap because it's exploiting the Chinese people. Thought it's been bigger for corporations who can legally pay people slave wages.
How would you suggest we change our modes of production to be more efficient? Can you give some examples? Is that a euphemism for something else? Pointless fluff? Can you give some hard examples where the US can reinvent itself with "modern more efficient modes of production", yeesh sounds like I read that off a PowerPoint presentation.
this could also be a new test to see which cloud services, ISPs, companies... that will collaborate and take down such mirrors. ... and if these mirrors also could trap and publish ddos IPs for return fire.
I cannot imagine that the spam-kings care about Wikileaks. What organizations definitely do care and who have the resources? I hope that the net-experts out there are tracing the DDoS. If they are being run by governments, this needs to be proven and announced.
Enjoy life! This is not a dress rehearsal.
Well well .. like every day now , we hear new idiocies coming out the US government. .. LOL
While everyone takes a look at the cables , the USG , is saying , still classified and their employes and
people that want a job with the USG can't read them
That was the funny part of the post.
The multiplication by the hundreds of mirrors ( list at cryptome is unbeleivably extensive ) the downloading of insurance
files and the mirroring of the old site with 11000 or so document is going on strong. I know , i got them all.
In fact if anything good is coming out of this is the involvement of the population in politics.It's waking up .
We were used to as citizens to see through a mesh fence , where we the casual observers see only through one small
square totally unaware of the bigger picture. Now we're getting sights of more and more of those squares and can see a way
better image. The more we see , the more we want to see. It's normal . We are thirsty for understanding and definitely want to see actions being taken or want to take action by ourselves. We dont need big government to tell us " you dont need to know what we do on your behalf " that's bullshit. The Government must be accountable to the people.Otherwise there is no democracy.
Just disguised dictatorship.What we see , what we hear is changing people. We're for the publication or we're against. But i don't know of anyone who is well educated that says otherwise than it's a good thing.Cause frankly , it can't be.
If there hadn't been leaks , the photos of torture that we saw from Irak and Guantanamo Bay and other places , the USA would still be torturing detainees. If there hadn't been leaks and the system would be air tight , a lot of criminal activity would still go on in the USG and it's arms. Oh granted , it still goes on, but as the public gets better and better informed , those activities are becoming less and less likely to happen. Accountability saved a many detainee from being tortured , against conventions the US signed btw.
Like i saw on twitter a short while ago :
" It's not wrong to lie, cheat, steal, corrupt, and torture. It's wrong to let people know about it."
Go multiply the mirrors the sites and start some of your own in your countries . Go on and multiply.
Read what they dont want you to.Seek knowledge and enlightenment. Information and ideas need to be free.
Let the information be free so that we may one day , in a distant future , live in peace.
Let those who try to convince you that the right thing to be is an ignorant make their calls without echos.
Let their voices die down in the void of mediocrity of cheats and liars.
They want to cheat you of your right to know.Cheat you of the accountability the government has to be kept under.
Leave them shout in anger without replies. Remember : Never argue with an imbecile , they bring you down to their level and beat you with experience.
Long live free information.This is the guiding light. This is the new age. Jump on the bandwagon or stay behind .
It's your choice.
I know I'm preaching to the choir, here, but human-nature says that most people (even Slashdotters) are watching this unfold without realizing they can be a part of it.
The WL episode is showing us that our own politicians would readily abandon core values of democracy in order to avoid embarrassment. It also clearly demonstrates that we live in a world where our personal communications can readily be disrupted at the whim of private corporations under pressure from these same politicians.
Democracy can only thrive with the uninhibited exchange of communications between individuals. If you want to help ensure democracy, do any of the following:
1) Run a TOR server ( http://www.torproject.org/ ). This is software that helps provide freedom and privacy by encrypting and distributing network communications. If you don't want to run TOR on your machine, rent a Virtual Private Server (VPS) and do it on someone else's box.
2) Support the EFF ( http://www.eff.org/ ). This organization understands technology and knows that in the digital age, information is power.
3) Support open-source distributed alternatives to web-based software-as-a-service. EveryDNS, Paypal, Twitter, Amazon's EC2, and even our beloved Google are points of vulnerability in democracy since their fundamental obligation is to shareholders instead of to an innate code of ethics. How would you find information if Google bowed to Government pressure? The only thing that will ensure corporations stay in line is the existence of alternatives such as a distributed search engine (http://yacy.de/ ).
4) Support open-source software by using it, contributing time or money to its development, and requesting that our Governments make policies to use it. The world would be a very different place if the power of public-key-encryption was kept solely in Government and Corporate hands. Only Free and Open Source Software ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_and_open_source_software ) ensures that all members of society who use information technology are on the same footing.
5) Let others know what is at stake, spread the word. Democracy takes active participation, and this takes patience and explanation so that nontechnical Constituents have the understanding that you possess.
Our communications technology is only a tool and can be used to both facilitate democracy and better the world, or to enslave humankind. We are witnessing the first infowar of the digital age, and the powers that be will use it to push hard for bans on encryption, crackdown on peer-to-peer communication, and other information tools.
Will you watch silently and let information technology turn into a tool of repression, or will you take a stand while you still can? The race is on, do something!
The government doesn't seem to think we should have that right so why should we let them have it?
No sig today...
btw, if you agree with the sentiments I expressed, please spread them beyond our geek-realm to the rest of the Interwebs...
For example, you can upvote it here on reddit
or copy it wholesale, edit into oblivion, and post somewhere else. Let everyone realize that they can play a role in spreading digital Democracy.
Excllent rebuttal! One minor nit pick, unlike the people who built the hoover dam the people who built the pyramids were treated with respect and hansomly rewarded. The idea that they were ill treated slaves came from 19th century historians that couldn't imagine any other way of getting people to work their arse off.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
A lot of news articles seem to attack EveryDNS, including a lot of forum posts, blaming it for dumping wikileaks dns records. But really EveryDNS is free. It works on donations. DynDNS is the corporate arm of the same tree, but was wikileaks really using a free dns service? Also I have seen and used much larger dns services so often, all free. In my opinion I think EveryDNS handled itself as well as it could for as long as it could.
afterall it's mission is:
to organize the world’s information and make it universally accessible and useful.
When was that ever the case in the US? The closest we came was the post-WWII period up until the election of Ronald Reagan. But then there was such fear in the ruling class that minorities, young people and women were gaining power through their growing wealth that the only way to prevent it was to decimate the entire middle class.
You are welcome on my lawn.
Usually the people on the bottom are the ones who are actually physically doing the labor and "being productive"
Doing physical labor has fuck-all to do with being productive. That's the entire point. But, yes, make-work is endemic to the US managerial class as well. In fact, they appear to be specially selected for their ability to do, and create, the most make-work possible.
I am not aware of us emptying any of our prisons to send inmates over to Iraq...
Then you haven't been paying attention. It's fairly common in the US for petty criminals to be told "join the military or go to jail" during times of war. But, nowadays, prisoners cost less than soldiers, so it isn't as common as it once was.
Please do define, what resources the middle-class exploited & depleted in the US that caused the downfall of the US middle class? I would suggest the move towards globalism has done more to harm the middle-class
It's nearly every resource: topsoil, metal ores, forests, oil. We're rapidly working on depleting the coal, fresh water, phosphates, fisheries. It doesn't matter whether you want to call it "globalism" or not, but the fact remains that workers in other countries can now exploit their natural resources more effectively than we can, so they have more work opportunities than we do.
Can you give some hard examples where the US can reinvent itself
Sure, here are some ways to make the US economy less of a total joke, in no particular order:
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
When was that ever the case in the US?
A democracy dominated by a working middle class is such an historical aberration
Yet, free Unix variants continue to have security flaws in their kernels and user mode applications. Perhaps that possibility of a full security audit is not as important to the practical security of an operating system / application stack of the size of modern unix/windows/whatever as you might think?
"I think the most important part of wikileaks is not so much the content of the leaks, but the reaction of people in power to them.
We have learned more about the connection between corporation and the power in the past week than we have in the past several years.
While the content of the Citibank leaks will be most interesting, the all-out scramble to stop Wikileaks and jail Assange that started the day after it was announced that the next document dump would be from Citibank tells us a whole lot about where the power really lies in this world, and who's really in charge. It also shows just how much of what passes for "government" and "sovereign nation" is nothing but theater to keep us entertained while those that really rule the world execute their agenda. The way they took down wikileaks, severed their connection to donations and continue to play whack-a-mole with a website shows just how meaningless our "rule of law" really is when they really want to get rid of something and cover up some information about their activities.
How fitting that Interpol should issue arrest warrants for Julian Assange and former Vice President Dick Cheney within 24 hours of each other. As I've said before, one of those two men was guilty of leaking the identity of a covert CIA agent and only one of those men has the blood of hundreds of thousands of innocent civilians on his hands. I wonder if Interpol will spend the same resources executing the arrest warrant on Cheney as they will on Assange. So an admitted traitor and war criminal can act with impunity but someone who simply publishes a web site of documents that other people provide is considered Public Enemy No 1.
The Wikileaks Saga is an amazing story, and its just starting. There is the possibility, however remote, that the world can be a changed place because of Wikileaks.
As Assange quoted Theodore Roosevelt: ""Behind the ostensible government sits enthroned an invisible government owing no allegiance and acknowledging no responsibility to the people...To destroy this invisible government, to befoul this unholy alliance between corrupt business and corrupt politics is the first task of statesmanship."" - by PopeRatzo (965947) * on Saturday December 04, @09:38PM (#34447678) Homepage
One of the best posts I have ever seen here @ /. ... If I had mod points, I'd give them to you (only thing is that as an AC I don't, & you've reached "the top" with yours anyway).
What put the "icing on the cake" was this for me, because I view it as you do:
http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/03/2326207/Graduate-Students-Being-Warned-Away-From-Leaked-Cables
That's the post that made me really realize that there are people in power who know they pulled a LOAD of illegal reprehensible bullshit during their tenure in political power, and they even threatened employees of gov't. against reading, and potential future employees as well.
DDOS'ing wikileaks? Sure, could have been a SINGLE "vigilante" far-right-wing/conservative freak, but... I don't think so. After all, gov't. contracts out tasks for 2 things:
1.) When they don't have a dept. with said expertise
OR
2.) When they don't want "direct involvement" & want a patsy/fallguy
(AMAZON now refusing to host wikileaks? Ok, that IS justifiable because wikileaks was the target, I can see that. Paypal withdrawing support for them though?? Please... and the alleged "rape charge" coming up "suddenly" too?? Give us a break - talk about OBVIOUS setup!)
In closing/lastly: Personally? I really do NOT understand these people @ the "top", I truly don't. If you do the job right, and honestly. first time out?? You don't have to "cover your tracks" or perform "spin tactics" or, worse (as noted above).
After all - How much wealth do you real
And http://cablegate.wikileaks.ca/
Human work can be separated into two types: productive work and make-work.
Not really. People who take care of the aged and infirm add little if anything to capital, but they add to quality of life. What they do is not "useless," unless you define everything in terms of economic efficiency. And what's the point of creating more and more wealth if the end result is that people still have to worry about being put out on an ice floe the moment their cost outweighs their benefit? Do we manage the economy to serve the people, or the people to serve the economy?
Workers here had an extremely good deal, and lots of political power, up until the exact moment at which those resources were economically depleted. That was probably more than 20 years ago. It's time to recognize this fact, move on, and establish more efficient modes of production, rather than trying to re-erect a democratic worker's paradise without the resources to support one.
Except we *do* have the resources to support one. We have more resources at our disposal than we've ever had. The problem is in how they're distributed.
Hehe, crazy.. Here in the EU there's a lot of talk about cables that point to the US being underhanded, at best, with allies.
I guess you're on the CNN side of the Atlantic.
[citation please]?
What is Assand doing that is so revolutionary? A lot of stories I've been reading about these new cables suggest that they're a lot of personal opinions on the leaders of America's friends/enemies. So what? Is American leadership not allowed to form opinions and keep those opinions to theirselves? Assand's "Freedom of Speech" crutch is bullshit at best. Firstly he's not an American citizen...he has NO right to claim these documents. It would be like me walking into his house and taking his computer because the internet should be free or something like that. He has no freedoms when it comes to America. He doesn't pay our taxes, doesn't follow our laws, and doesn't live in our country. Why does he have the right to steal from our leaders? Personally he seems more like the current European fad of "Boo America" than some free speech revolutionary. If he was so much about free speech he'd be hitting China more often than America. At least us Americans CAN bitch about our government.
There is indeed a legitimate need for secrecy in some dealings with foreign nations. Where that crosses a line into territory where whistles need to be blown is an area hard to define, but it's a bit scary to imagine a situation where there is a body of people who feel it necessary to expose every unspoken thought, regardless of one's actions or best intentions.
Further complicating this issue is a de facto personality cult being built around Julian Assange. Given that he is facing criminal charges (on a totally unrelated and as yet unproven matter), the interests of Wikileaks would probably be better served if he were to step aside before he gets thrown into the slammer, and let others in the organisation get on with the job.
If they've received a "national security letter", a lawyer is just going to be a waste of money on your part. PayPal owners need to stand up for what's right or nothing will happen.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
People who take care of the aged and infirm add little if anything to capital, but they add to quality of life.
The "service economy" is one of the most blatant examples of economic fallacy in existence. People trading low-skill work with each other absolutely is, at best, a zero-sum game. It makes no one but middle-men better off and is in fact completely pointless if not destructive.
The point of creating more and more wealth is so that the *wealth* can take care of people instead of being consumed by people whose sole "raison d'etre" is to do pointless make-work.
We have more resources at our disposal than we've ever had. The problem is in how they're distributed.
The problem is that they are distributed at all instead of still existing as a virgin monolithic mass waiting to be exploited by workers under the delusion that they contribute anything of value whatsoever to the process of resource depletion other than speed.
"I assumed blithely that there were no elves out there in the darkness"
If Wikileaks continues on this course, it will make it easier for the US government to seize control of the internet on security grounds. They will have just enough support from the populace to get it done.
Gamingmuseum.com: Give your 3D accelerator a rest.
Anyone who was stupid enough to download the Insurance file, or who sends money or support to WIkileaks, will be Gangstalked like this guy, will be COINTELPRO'd.
This is something you absolutely do not want.
Don't know what Gangstalking it? Google it.
If the government considered Wikileaks a terrorist organization or if they decide to take down the supporters, the first people they'll harass are the people who give Wikileaks money and who download the Insurance file.
Joel Bryan Harris is an example. He pissed off a bank executive and they put him on some COINTELPRO list with the help of INFRAGUARD or whatever they are calling it now. Once you are on that list you can't ever get off. And you have no human rights.
Julian Assange is protecting himself with that Insurance file. He is not protecting his supporters and the government knows this. Governments and corporations around the world are targeting his finances. When they find out who donated and paypal will probably tell them, what do you think will happen?
If you donated the Insurance file, you are going to end up being the collateral damage. The FBI, NSA, CIA are absolutely ruthless and when he pissess off the RUSSIANS it can turn deadly.
My advice is anyone who has donated, change your name. If you downloaded then expect to be put under government surveillance. Expect the government to see you as a member of Julian Assanges terrorist network.
This is why the Feds warned their own with that email. It looks like cyberwar is about to be declared. If that happens everyone who supports Julian Assange in any way will be put under COINTELPRO style surveillance. This means they'll have to deal with the gangstalking, the character assassinations, the entrapment, the loss of their jobs, friends they knew their entire life who wont talk to them, etc.
Think about it. If you are keeping Wikileaks strong by donating money and an operation is launched to cut off the money supply by blocking paypal, it means they have the list of names and credit information of all the supporters. The NSA has the list of names of all who downloaded the insurance file. The government also has the list of IP addresses of all who went to the site and who made stupid comments on Slashdot, Facebook or anywhere else.
Once those list of IP addresses is turned into a list of names they will be put into a special government database for Julian Assange supporters. From here the government will launch a COINTELPRO just like they did to the new left, the communists, the black panthers, weathermen underground, etc.
Don't say you weren't warned. They did it to Joel Harris.
They've only released a fraction of the files - there's a lot of assessment, categorization, and possibly redaction they need to do, which is going to take time. But for now, it fits on a DVD, and they could be mailing them out to major press outlets, random volunteers, etc.
Yes, the content will grow over time, but they can still release it as "Volume 1", "Volume 2", etc., maybe come out with the Director's Cut on Bue-Ray later on, with a bonus "Making of WIkileaks" track...
Bill Stewart
New Fast-Compression-only CPR http://preview.tinyurl.com/dy575ks
If he is killed tomorrow, not everyone will think the U.S. did it: it could just as well have been other governments who are embarrassed too by the leaks. Let's not forget it: Assange has made a lot of enemies, very powerful enemies with the full resources of governments. Unless he's a Bin Laden who could escape detection and assassination, he's essentially dead man walking by now. And another point is: as long as WL didn't release the whole dump, the risk for Assange is even greater now, as some -- not very bright -- governments may decide to set an example by killing him, in order to deter others in his group to release the rest. If at all, Julian would be safer, if he had released all documents at once, IMHO. His piecewise release policy is putting him at risk.
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
But as long as they don't kldload/insmod closed proprietary blobs (nVidia et al.) into the kernel, and keep a very tight policy of open ports + auditing of the code (OpenBSD, TrustedBSD, SE-Linux come to mind), they should be as safe as it gets. Sure, they need good sysadmins too: that's not something for your average Linux home user (though some of them are very smart w.r.t. security).
cpghost at Cordula's Web.
That's absolute nonsense. The main reason is that Unix comes out of the box with sshd/rsync and it's a bit of a pain to set that up in Windows. Easiest way to do that, in fact, is just to run a Linux VM under Windows.
He has not been charged with rape. He claims hes being charged with rape. He claims the US government is behind it. He claims that it's a smear campaign. He claims the DDOS attack came from a state actor.
What I'm saying is either Julian Assange and Joel Harris both have mental illness, or they both have had similar experiences.
Lol. That's the best laundry list of things that would fix the American economy I've ever seen. How appropriate it should be in the same place as all other brilliant ideas: lost in the fray and ignored.
Thanks for the info. I'm guessing calling the support staff again would not help much. The conversation might go like this Me: "It seems paypal is holding my donation to wiki leaks, who can't access the funds. Is this because you received a "National Security Letter" Pay Pal staff: We are unable to respond
Pay Pal staff: We are unable to respond
Even that may land them at Gitmo. See also: DynDNS's BS blog post about dropping WikiLeaks' domain registration. They had the wisdom to at least post detectable BS.
My God, it's Full of Source!
OUTSIDE_IP=$(dig +short my.ip @outsideip.net)
I am not quite convinced that resources being lost is the reason for the drop of the middle-class though. We have smaller wages, but that's being subsidized by cheaper goods from china, meanwhile corporations and those at the top have enriched themselves greatly. This doesn't mean I don't believe that consumerism and massive consumption as a whole is a good idea.
Your jump between prisoners going to war is a pretty big leap. Yeah, that may have happened in the past, but it certainly doesn't happen now & I think it's a bit worse to draft someone against their will, than to give someone convicted of a crime an alternative option.
Your list isn't terrible. Though it would probably take a unicorn being elected in the most 'progressive' European nation for it to happen.
... but people have other means of relating to the world and establishing trust than by keyboard. (hint: posting as AC is not a good start)
In the newspapers all you hear is how the leaks will jeopardize american lives should be classified as terrorism. Officially, Hillary Clinton said that the leaks do not affect them much and aren't that important. FFS, 3 million americans had access to this info as a matter of course. Pentagon has affirmed that the earlier leaks have not "jeopardized" american lives, despite claims to the contrary by government. Yet these lies continue to be repeated over and over.
As for the injunction, it won't fly just by asserting state secrets privilege as they like to do. They would have to demonstrate the need for secrecy in court. Besides, foreign entities are not bound by US law, and we'd have a China situation where the entire world can read but we can't.
Americans forgot too soon the 1971 lesson, the release of the Pentagon papers on the Vietnam war, where the government did move for injunction to prevent publication and went all the way to the Supreme Court. AND LOST. With some pretty resounding words that talk very clearly on the purpose of the 1st Amendment.
"The press was protected so that it could bare the secrets of government and inform the people. Only a free and unrestrained press can effectively expose deception in government."
"newspapers should be commended for serving the purpose that the Founding Fathers saw so clearly. In revealing the workings of government that led to the Vietnam war, the newspapers nobly did precisely that which the Founders hoped and trusted they would do."
The newspapers mentioned are NY Times and Washington Post, which today are cowardly hiding their heads in the sand.
I originally got the info from a documentry many moons ago but the first random google hit I skimmed tells a similar tale.
And did you exchange a walk on part in the war for a lead role in a cage? - Pink Floyd.
Assange (A_ _ H _ _ _?) may actually be doing our country and government a favor here. that may expalin the lack of a nice "part" in the hair on his pointy little head! Supposedly a "vast amount" of the data released seems to implicate "sources" for the intelligence community. Apparently and "most alarming", this will undoubtedly hasten their (the sources) untimely demise. "Sources" for intelligence are basically "bad guys" who are paid to help the "good guys" (i.e. USA and Australia), so essentially in 1960's language, they "bad guy informants" are the "narcs". Presumably, these "narcs" have already outlived their usefulness by providing Intel or otherwise "helping the good fight". So now that the "narcs" who ratted out their buddies are out there in plain sight, the problem of eliminating them takes care of itself. The "other bad guys" that the narcs ratted out take the "narcs" out, and problem solved! Perhaps that was the whole idea, if so, good job America!!! The Intel community didn't release the information, some pointy headed Frenchman (or Frenchman like person) did. And when all is said and done, he will get a "fatwa" and end of story. Sound about right? BTW - this didn't even cost John Q. Public (1) .50 Cal cartridge. Just let the patsy media cover it. and Al Jazeera"
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
"Any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic." - Arthur C. Clarke
Call your credit card company and do a charge-back. Then donate the money by wire transfer.
Almost 750 mirrors of Wikileaks, and yet only one with "edu" in the name, to stand for the freedom of speech and right to communicate freely? We should ask representatives of our universities what happened with the support for freedom of speech, independence of Academia, and other pillars of education...
Hey Anon, it seems Anon heard you... proceeding at the rate of 250 mirrors per day. DDoS nullified.
They can arrest the man, but the wikileaks hour-glass will live on