Can't do it. Although this license is Open Source, it's not GPL compatible. The GPL does not give you enough leeway to put code into something and release it under the Plan 9 license.
You could, of course, pull stuff out of BSD, but you could have done that before, too.
Agreed. The changes are enough that most Free Software types will probably be comfortable. However, that last issue:
"Contributors shall have unrestricted, nonexclusive, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free rights, to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute Your Modifications, and to grant third parties the right to do so, including without limitation as a part of or with the Licensed Software;"
Definitely means that this isn't GPL compatible. Sure, a copyright owner can do whatever the hell they want with their stuff, so Reiser could start putting ReiserFS under this license & incorporate Plan 9 code, but Linus can't. Neither can Redhat, for any of their externally developed software.
The place that this will probably cause the most chaffing is that Plan 9 folks won't be able to port GPLed Linux drivers. Then of course, the architectures are different enough that porting drivers could be impossible anyway.
Although I haven't checked, this isn't a "Your browser is bad" error, I get to a "Citibank is borked. Give us a few minutes to clean ourselves up." page. It took me a while to even guess that it might work with another browser.
It works fine for me with the latest public beta of Safari.
Something is borked for me with the Citibank website, though. I can log in, but I can't use certain features. That's one of a very few sites that make me use Camino.
Yeah, the discrepancy is definitely there for me. I've reloaded. However, it could just be that the front page only updates itself under certain conditions or after a certain amount of time. Or some kind of error propagating the fix to the server for the front page. (I'm pretty sure that they load balance by putting comments, zoo, and front page on separate machines.)
Yeah. Ms. Didio's answers seemed very unclear on the distinction between BSD code and Unix System V, version 4.1. Just because it's in SVR4.1 doesn't mean it isn't also in BSD. She would have needed to look at tarballs from the time of the BSDi/AT&T judgment to show that BSDi didn't have the offending code.
I hate to say it, but the vagueness of her answers make me think she's either incompetent, or a shill.
Ack. I had no idea. An AC in this thread just pointed me at this MacInTouch page on Jack's enterprises. I'd say that MacWhispers isn't just a hobby, it's how he wants to sell all those weird mac furniture items he doesn't have.
I'm perfectly comfortable with the basest humor, I promise. It's not that it's below me. It's that the people that make the joke tend to make it several times a day. After the fifteenth time you hear one person make the joke, it doesn't matter how not funny it was when they first borrowed it from some sitcom.
Huh. A cursory examination of MacBidouille indicates that you are correct. I feel like a moron. I thought I remembered somebody saying once that it was Portuguese. Whatever.
Am I the only one that finds that "porno music" joke so annoying lame as to cause physical pain every time I am forced to think of it? I think the worst part is having to see (or imagine) the smile people get on their faces after they make the joke, because they are so overjoyed by how clever they are.
It is handy in one regard. It allows you to immediately disregard the possibility that the "joker" will have anything worthwhile to contribute to your life, so you can safely ignore them in the future.
There aren't many things that inspire this variety of passionate hatred for me, so excuse me if I've crossed a line.
No, they are both providing valuable information (the machines are in production) and they are providing verifiable information (they have a metalicized plastic enclosure and different handles).
Predicting something that everyone knows will happen eventually is not so significant as correctly predicting *when* it will happen.
Obviously. That is why everyone seems to be denying these nonexistant predictions. That doesn't change the fact that they are not making those predictions.
Also, I'll point out that until recently, not everyone knew that these things were happening. For a long time, the only people saying that Apple was within a year of release was MacBidouille, a Portuguese (!) mac rumor website. MacWhispers clearly has a totally separate source, and this is valuable corroboration.
All I'm saying is that MacWhispers is a fantastic addition to the Macintosh Rumors scene, and if people would only pay attention, they'd see the virtues. Every Mac rumors website begins in fan mode, and some of them improve. MacWhispers has improved a *lot*.
Some of them get worse, and worse, and worse, and worse.
Everyone's immediate reaction to MacWhispers is always negative.
"Oh, I'll believe it when I see it."
Obviously. MacWhispers has given up on making release date predictions. You'll notice that they have *not* given a specific timeframe for the release of these machines. They have said that they are being built.
So, now, when WWDC makes no mention of the 970, everyone will say "See! MacWhispers are a bunch of damn fools." and no one will remember, two months from now, when these machines surface, that it fits perfectly with MacWhispers' information.
If you take them completely literally, they are a valuable source of information. They cannot divine the future, and they don't seem to be trying to do so, either.
Katakana is the equivalent of italics. Sometimes we italicize foreign words in English as well. This practice is simply more codified in the Japanese language: Hors d'oevres are so damn bourgeois. Sometimes katakana or italics are simply used for emphasis. (Any native speakers want to correct me?)
Japanese makes just as much sense with 10 buttons as it does on a qwerty keyboard. Some Japanese cell phone users can get up to 200 wpm in SMS messages (supposedly). I always thought they used two thumbs simultaneously, but I don't know for sure.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he meant "physical mutation" in contrast to a genetic mutation. In that regard, it is true, though stated in an overly dramatic fashion.
I guess that since content distribution is automatic you'd have to never use K2b ever again, or delete the file or something to stop distribution. You'd have to be pretty mean to do that.
Or just be behind NAT. Sharing is really inconvenient for those of us that are IP-address-poor.
Whether or not I get modded down, I implore the gnu-darwin folks to give me a listen:
What is the advantage to gnu-darwin over FreeBSD or GNU/Linux? No, really, what's the advantage? If it's IOKit & Mach that give you a hardon, then what's the advantage of gnu-darwin over GNU/Hurd?
I understand and identify with the desire for a free operating system, so I understand why y'all don't like Open Darwin 'n' the APSL. So... what's the draw?
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Can't do it. Although this license is Open Source, it's not GPL compatible. The GPL does not give you enough leeway to put code into something and release it under the Plan 9 license.
You could, of course, pull stuff out of BSD, but you could have done that before, too.
My computer monitors my dialysis machine.
Excuse me while I kill the RIAA goons in self defense.
Agreed. The changes are enough that most Free Software types will probably be comfortable. However, that last issue:
"Contributors shall have unrestricted, nonexclusive, worldwide, perpetual, royalty-free rights, to use, reproduce, modify, display, perform, sublicense and distribute Your Modifications, and to grant third parties the right to do so, including without limitation as a part of or with the Licensed Software;"
Definitely means that this isn't GPL compatible. Sure, a copyright owner can do whatever the hell they want with their stuff, so Reiser could start putting ReiserFS under this license & incorporate Plan 9 code, but Linus can't. Neither can Redhat, for any of their externally developed software.
The place that this will probably cause the most chaffing is that Plan 9 folks won't be able to port GPLed Linux drivers. Then of course, the architectures are different enough that porting drivers could be impossible anyway.
Although I haven't checked, this isn't a "Your browser is bad" error, I get to a "Citibank is borked. Give us a few minutes to clean ourselves up." page. It took me a while to even guess that it might work with another browser.
It works fine for me with the latest public beta of Safari.
Something is borked for me with the Citibank website, though. I can log in, but I can't use certain features. That's one of a very few sites that make me use Camino.
IBM should offer to buy SCO for $4. When they say, "That makes no sense! SCO is trading for $10!" IBM's obvious response will be:
"No. $4. Not $4 per share."
You know. Pull an Ellison on them.
Yeah, the discrepancy is definitely there for me. I've reloaded. However, it could just be that the front page only updates itself under certain conditions or after a certain amount of time. Or some kind of error propagating the fix to the server for the front page. (I'm pretty sure that they load balance by putting comments, zoo, and front page on separate machines.)
Sure. The canibalism was what stuck in my head, though.
Yeah. Ms. Didio's answers seemed very unclear on the distinction between BSD code and Unix System V, version 4.1. Just because it's in SVR4.1 doesn't mean it isn't also in BSD. She would have needed to look at tarballs from the time of the BSDi/AT&T judgment to show that BSDi didn't have the offending code.
I hate to say it, but the vagueness of her answers make me think she's either incompetent, or a shill.
You italicized grok because it is a Martian word?
Ack. I had no idea. An AC in this thread just pointed me at this MacInTouch page on Jack's enterprises. I'd say that MacWhispers isn't just a hobby, it's how he wants to sell all those weird mac furniture items he doesn't have.
I'm perfectly comfortable with the basest humor, I promise. It's not that it's below me. It's that the people that make the joke tend to make it several times a day. After the fifteenth time you hear one person make the joke, it doesn't matter how not funny it was when they first borrowed it from some sitcom.
Huh. A cursory examination of MacBidouille indicates that you are correct. I feel like a moron. I thought I remembered somebody saying once that it was Portuguese. Whatever.
bow chicka bow wow!
Am I the only one that finds that "porno music" joke so annoying lame as to cause physical pain every time I am forced to think of it? I think the worst part is having to see (or imagine) the smile people get on their faces after they make the joke, because they are so overjoyed by how clever they are.
It is handy in one regard. It allows you to immediately disregard the possibility that the "joker" will have anything worthwhile to contribute to your life, so you can safely ignore them in the future.
There aren't many things that inspire this variety of passionate hatred for me, so excuse me if I've crossed a line.
No, they are both providing valuable information (the machines are in production) and they are providing verifiable information (they have a metalicized plastic enclosure and different handles).
Predicting something that everyone knows will happen eventually is not so significant as correctly predicting *when* it will happen.
Obviously. That is why everyone seems to be denying these nonexistant predictions. That doesn't change the fact that they are not making those predictions.
Also, I'll point out that until recently, not everyone knew that these things were happening. For a long time, the only people saying that Apple was within a year of release was MacBidouille, a Portuguese (!) mac rumor website. MacWhispers clearly has a totally separate source, and this is valuable corroboration.
All I'm saying is that MacWhispers is a fantastic addition to the Macintosh Rumors scene, and if people would only pay attention, they'd see the virtues. Every Mac rumors website begins in fan mode, and some of them improve. MacWhispers has improved a *lot*.
Some of them get worse, and worse, and worse, and worse.
Everyone's immediate reaction to MacWhispers is always negative.
"Oh, I'll believe it when I see it."
Obviously. MacWhispers has given up on making release date predictions. You'll notice that they have *not* given a specific timeframe for the release of these machines. They have said that they are being built.
So, now, when WWDC makes no mention of the 970, everyone will say "See! MacWhispers are a bunch of damn fools." and no one will remember, two months from now, when these machines surface, that it fits perfectly with MacWhispers' information.
If you take them completely literally, they are a valuable source of information. They cannot divine the future, and they don't seem to be trying to do so, either.
Huh. I thought it was the other way around: technically it is to bring attention to the word itself, but lately it's been adopted for foreign words.
Any experts?
Katakana is the equivalent of italics. Sometimes we italicize foreign words in English as well. This practice is simply more codified in the Japanese language: Hors d'oevres are so damn bourgeois. Sometimes katakana or italics are simply used for emphasis. (Any native speakers want to correct me?)
Japanese makes just as much sense with 10 buttons as it does on a qwerty keyboard. Some Japanese cell phone users can get up to 200 wpm in SMS messages (supposedly). I always thought they used two thumbs simultaneously, but I don't know for sure.
I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he meant "physical mutation" in contrast to a genetic mutation. In that regard, it is true, though stated in an overly dramatic fashion.
Wow! That's like, what, four whole new Macintosh computers!
(Proud owner of an iBook. Just sayin'.)
Ack. Pthpt. [thump]
>> if u want the extra performance boost
>Maybe you wouldn't find macros so useless if you created some keyboard macros to replace ' u ' with ' you '.
>
>Just a thought.
Maybe yoyou woyouldn't find macros so youseless if yoyou created some keyboard macros to replace 'you' with 'yoyou'.
Jyoust a thoyought.
I guess that since content distribution is automatic you'd have to never use K2b ever again, or delete the file or something to stop distribution. You'd have to be pretty mean to do that.
Or just be behind NAT. Sharing is really inconvenient for those of us that are IP-address-poor.
Whether or not I get modded down, I implore the gnu-darwin folks to give me a listen:
What is the advantage to gnu-darwin over FreeBSD or GNU/Linux? No, really, what's the advantage? If it's IOKit & Mach that give you a hardon, then what's the advantage of gnu-darwin over GNU/Hurd?
I understand and identify with the desire for a free operating system, so I understand why y'all don't like Open Darwin 'n' the APSL. So... what's the draw?