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One-Thumb Keyboard

pagercam2 writes "As Japanese teens are so used to typing one another messages on their cellphones, they are now more comfortable with one thumb typing than the old two handed QWERTY. So a Japanese company has come out with a one-thumb keypad that allows a user to enter alphanumberic text and control the mouse with only one thumb. Sort of a cross between a TV remote and a phone keypad, with a USB connection, although wireless seems to be an obvious next step. Maybe not a revolution for the desktop, but this could advance data input on handhelds." Pictures transcend language barriers.

310 comments

  1. Heh by Exiler · · Score: 5, Funny

    [insert one handed typing joke here]

    Only in japan...

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    1. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Hey, with this thing you could use both hands for such things, and just kep your thumb free!

    2. Re:Heh by blurfus · · Score: 2, Funny
      I would have had the FP but I don't type fast with my thumbs...

      This is harder than it seems, I made a LOT of mistakes on my first try. This is my original typed message:

      i Wolud have fad the FO but i don't type fsad with my tuhmbs


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    3. Re:Heh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That thing looks nothing like a thumb!

    4. Re:Heh by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      This just in, a recent study in Japan shows that 30% of all cell phones sold in Japan get lost within the first week a customer purchases them.

      In other news, many Japanese school girls have been having random orgasms, usually at the times of peak cell phone usage. Scientists believe it has something to do with the radiation cell phones give off.

    5. Re:Heh by blowhole · · Score: 1

      In other news, many Japanese school girls have been having random orgasms, usually at the times of peak cell phone usage

      Gives new meaning to "hands-free set" But why only school girls, oh, because this is a troll...

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    6. Re:Heh by tigertigr · · Score: 1

      Q: What is the sound of one hand typing?

      A: Fap fap fap.

    7. Re:Heh by b!arg · · Score: 1

      The saddest thing is that on your first try you did better than most /. posters with the old-school method.

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    8. Re:Heh by Mortikill · · Score: 1

      Well, it has ben said that they may have smaller, uh, devices over there, so two thumbs should be PLENTY.

    9. Re:Heh by whereiswaldo · · Score: 1

      They say that everybody is good at something.

      Now those who are "all thumbs" can excel!

    10. Re:Heh by Zakabog · · Score: 1

      Because sticking a cell phone up a man's ass (set to vibrate) would not give them an orgasm although during sex it would increase the pleasure?

  2. Gives a wholly new meaning... by Pig+Hogger · · Score: 1

    Gives a wholly new meaning to "thumbs up" or "all thumbs"...

    1. Re:Gives a wholly new meaning... by Wolfrider · · Score: 1

      --Free mod to the 1st one that posts a "Thieves World" reference...

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  3. Well.. by Brainboy · · Score: 3, Funny

    It'll make porn surfing a lot easier.

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    1. Re:Well.. by G3ckoG33k · · Score: 3, Funny

      Hope they make both left and right handed models. People may have different preferences.

    2. Re:Well.. by The_dev0 · · Score: 1

      Shit... I hope not. I don't want to have to buy two models. (I like to swap hands occasionally so it feels like somebody else, because as you know, a change is as good as a holiday!)

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    3. Re:Well.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I dunno, my thumb always comes in handy when I'm pullin me wire

  4. Oh God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    Now those shortened abbreviations for everyday common words is going to become more widespread. 2 L8 - U WILL B ASSIM8D!

    1. Re:Oh God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

      Please, save me from the horrors of being assimated!

    2. Re:Oh God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "But Geordi does not wish to be assimilated."

      -I, Borg (just watched it yesterday)

    3. Re:Oh God. by netsharc · · Score: 1

      L UR BS R BLNG 2 US!

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    4. Re:Oh God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      That's the problem with you people. One product gets produced for a niche teenage group of sandal wearing goldfish tenders and you think that @ll of a $udden the r3st of us R gonna p!ck up all yr (base) luser talk.


      U = teh suck.


      TEH WURST SUCK EVAR!!!!

    5. Re:Oh God. by slavetrade55 · · Score: 1

      Yeah but resistance is futile. All will be assimated; it is inevitable.

    6. Re:Oh God. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hahahah good one, score 5 isn't enough.. that one deserves a higher score

    7. Re:Oh God. by Azadre · · Score: 1

      Typing ""2 L8 - U WILL B ASSIM8D" will take to long with the thumb. Instead, one should just expect 2 8 U W AS8D. However, lol will become longer and become "I am laughing out loud right now, you are amusing me". Ahhh, the irony.

    8. Re:Oh God. by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

      Do the borg at least some equipped with KY Jelly?

    9. Re:Oh God. by boy_afraid · · Score: 1

      Reminds me of last night's episode of Futurama where Fry asks 'What if life were more like a video game' and is trying to defeat the Space Invaders. They single space ship (in the original game pixelated graphics) lands and Donkey Kong, and other's descend from the stair landing with one alien saying "All Your Base Belong To Us". I died laughing while everyone around me just didn't get it!!!!

  5. Nice... by justMichael · · Score: 5, Funny

    alphanumberic

    And this is the type of output you get when you only type with your thumbs.

    1. Re:Nice... by Zork+the+Almighty · · Score: 1

      And at all of 10 wpm too.

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    2. Re:Nice... by DShard · · Score: 1

      There is a thousand odd characters in the japanese alphabet, so I'm sure that 10 wpm would be lucky. I couldn't imagine touch typing that kind of keyboard.

    3. Re:Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny

      Great, the new disability will be carpalthumbal.

      Thankyou, I'll be here all week.

    4. Re:Nice... by Blondie-Wan · · Score: 4, Funny
      So that's the secret of Slashdot spelling. I guess there are even more early adopters of tech here than I thought.

      ;)

    5. Re:Nice... by outsider007 · · Score: 4, Funny

      So that's the secret of Slashdot spelling...
      slashdot should be so lucky as to have editors with opposable thumbs.

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    6. Re:Nice... by Santos+L.+Halper · · Score: 1

      About 10 years ago I learned how to type in Japanese using Japanese WordPerfect for DOS. Granted, I'm just an American who didn't grow up writing Japanese, but even with a full keyboard, getting 10 wpm was about impossible. I was closer to 5 wpm.

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    7. Re:Nice... by nite_warrior · · Score: 3, Funny

      you also get things like

      keiboard

      or is that just engrish?

    8. Re:Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there are 46(83) characters in the japanese alphabet (Hiragana/Katakana).

    9. Re:Nice... by justMichael · · Score: 1

      engrish.com, that was funny. Sorry, no mod points today.

      I hadn't noticed the keiboard, this is /. I didn't even bother to look at the story. All I saw was +5 Funny and hit reply.

    10. Re:Nice... by haggar · · Score: 1

      slashdot should be so lucky as to have editors with opposable thumbs
      Why do you say that? You are being unjust: monkeys do have opposable thumbs.

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    11. Re:Nice... by C0LDFusion · · Score: 1

      The best view I've ever seen of native japanese typing was in Battle Royale. I saw some guys hacking with a QWERTY-size keyboard, and they were typing pretty fast.

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    12. Re:Nice... by Uber+Banker · · Score: 1

      Wow, you are really dumb, aren't you? Any irony excaped me like goatse faeces passing into a vacuum.

    13. Re:Nice... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, it's the name of the product according to the website. It's a play on words. A very common thing in Japanese is to combine the first parts of multiple words to simplify them into one.

      The thumb pad thing is based on cell phone numpads... cell phones are called 'keitai denwa' or 'keitai' for short. They grabbed the 'kei' and replaced it in the first part of 'keyboard' to come up with 'keiboard'.

      Another amazing thing to note about these keiboard's is that it's not just used to input alphanumeric but kana/kanji as well!

    14. Re:Nice... by BJH · · Score: 2, Informative

      Boy, where to start with a post like that...

      1) There's around 50,000 Chinese characters used in the Japanese language. Of those, around 2000 are used regularly.

      2) Entering Japanese requires only that you type in the phonetic reading. You can then convert that (wholly or in part) to a mixture of Kanji (the Chinese characters), hiragana (the standard Japanese phonetic 'alphabet') and katakana (which is almost exactly equivalent to hiragana, but is usually used for writing terms imported from foreign languages and for emphasis, among other things).

      3) A Japanese typist can do a lot more than 10wpm. Shit, a schoolgirl on her mobile phone can do more than that one-handed (there was a survey recently conducted by a Japanese university professor that showed that young people who regularly use a mobile phone for mail can type at up to half the speed of a person using a full keyboard).

    15. Re:Nice... by roka · · Score: 1

      Sorry, but I just can't imagine a japanese schoolgirl typing with a cellphone at ~200cpm

      (Actually I can, but my imagination looks very anime-ish then)

    16. Re:Nice... by BJH · · Score: 1

      Believe me, they can - it's quite amazing. (The FEP on mobile phones in Japan these days has improved a lot, too, which helps).

    17. Re:Nice... by YE · · Score: 1

      No, it's "alphathumberic".

    18. Re:Nice... by NisJ�rgensen · · Score: 2, Funny

      I'll oppose the thumbs of anyone, anytime ...

    19. Re:Nice... by neier · · Score: 1

      Cell phones are called "keitai" (kay tie), so it is not an Engrish issue; just a cute word combo. There are enough Engrish problems already without having to invent more.

      My two current favorites:

      "Quarity" as one of the reasons listed on the brochure why Mitsubishi cars are a good buy

      and the "Dictionaly" section of the local bookstore.

      Karma - Irrational, mostly the result of eating too much pi.

  6. Oh no by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This means that I'm going to drink even more coffee.

  7. bad joke by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Funny

    so if a user types "my nose" in AIM, they've thumbed their nose at you? :]

    1. Re:bad joke by electric_penguin · · Score: 1

      No Sir but I do bite my thumb.

  8. Japanese buy anything... by dtldl · · Score: 5, Funny

    as long as it has a usb connection, I'm sure I've seen a usb powered coffee warmer and I'm pretty sure I didn't dream up that usb ladies pleasure accesorry.

    1. Re:Japanese buy anything... by jfedor · · Score: 5, Funny

      Well...

      -jfedor

    2. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      I'm pretty sure I didn't dream up that usb ladies pleasure accesorry.
      you didn't!
    3. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      USB toothbrush ?!?

    4. Re:Japanese buy anything... by r00zky · · Score: 2, Funny

      Hi, welcome to Slashdot

      You must be new here, right?

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    5. Re:Japanese buy anything... by uberdave · · Score: 1

      Yes! USB Toothbrush! Now your dentist can tell exactly when you brush. Soon you will have to have one of these to qualify for a dental plan... So order now!

    6. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Hi, welcome to Slashdot

      You must be new here, right?

      True, but he's obviously been a dickmouth for a long time.

    7. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes! USB Toothbrush! Now your dentist can tell exactly when you brush.

      No -- your dentist will be able to tell when it was operated. He won't know whether you brushed your teeth or if your gf ....

    8. Re:Japanese buy anything... by haggar · · Score: 1

      Yeah, and Microsoft never really intended to introduce the iLoo.... expecially not in UK.

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    9. Re:Japanese buy anything... by RevAaron · · Score: 1

      I don't know about ladies, but there is this one for men...

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    10. Re:Japanese buy anything... by toddestan · · Score: 1

      It kind of makes sense in a way if you travel. You don't have to worry about batteries, and you don't have to worry about different power adaptors for different countries, you can just use the +12V coming from your laptop.

      On the other hand, I would just take a standard 99 cent brush myself.

    11. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Now that's what I call total information awareness... when they start monitoring the teeth brushing habits through a usb toothbrush... but knowing america, it would have to be a usb toothbrush/webcam/mp3 maker and as a side bonus they could watch you in the mirror while you're brusching your teeth and record the noise it makes ;)

    12. Re:Japanese buy anything... by T.Sawamoto · · Score: 1

      USB nagashi-soumen machine :-)

      # "nagashi-soumen" is swimming noodle.

    13. Re:Japanese buy anything... by kanodjo · · Score: 1

      "and I'm pretty sure I didn't dream up that usb ladies pleasure accesorry. "

      You 're right. They've got the "Shocking Controller For The Xbox"
      http://slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=03/06/11 /033825 7

    14. Re:Japanese buy anything... by Paracelcus · · Score: 0

      The BEST accessory for surfing pr0n sites!

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    15. Re:Japanese buy anything... by xandroid · · Score: 1

      USB sextoys could bring a whole new dimension to cybersex...

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  9. Google cache by GoghUA · · Score: 1

    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:diELL1OoJQwJ: www.mevael.co.jp/+&hl=en&ie=UTF-8

  10. Medical Applications by Merlin_1102 · · Score: 5, Interesting

    I wounder if they have considered marketing this to the handicaps.. I know a few people who have lost a hand or two in one way or another and they have often found it difficult to use a regular reybaord.. I known one guy who simply won't use a computer now and one other who simply uses a mouse with a on screen keyboard.. not as quick, but he says its more conformatable.

    1. Re:Medical Applications by redheaded_stepchild · · Score: 1

      But what if my handicap is not having thumbs?

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    2. Re:Medical Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "hand or two"

      If don't have any hands...that rather negates the usefull ness of said device...you would be better off with something you can type with your feet on...or voice rec.

    3. Re:Medical Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny
      I know a few people who have lost a hand or two in one way or another and they have often found it difficult to use a regular reybaord..


      Hmmm... Go Figure.

    4. Re:Medical Applications by aridhol · · Score: 5, Informative
      For those who have lost a single hand, there's always the one-handed Dvorak keyboard.

      For those who have lost both hands, I think we need to look at new technology...

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    5. Re:Medical Applications by ElGanzoLoco · · Score: 1

      I know a few people who have lost a hand or two in one way or another and they have often found it difficult to use a regular reybaord...>

      Well, duh...

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    6. Re:Medical Applications by Thud457 · · Score: 4, Funny
      I know a guy that lost a whole bag of hands one time. Ears, too!

      Needless to say, the warehouse was less than pleased with him.

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    7. Re:Medical Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      hmm lts see i'm typing tthis with onr hand of course i'm lookinh.

      now wuyyhioyut kiihkinfg shit that subdjkdfsds

    8. Re:Medical Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i use dvorak left as my default input. it comes in handy esp during websurfing: type with left, click with right. i switch back for serious typing jobs. it takes a while to learn, and im not very fast at it, but its still pretty convenient

    9. Re:Medical Applications by drix · · Score: 1

      There's some joke waiting to be made here about the no-handed man who calls tech support because the only two letters he can get his keyboard to make are "eraswc3" and "ulk;;89u".

      Perhaps someone else will get that :)

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    10. Re:Medical Applications by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      reybaord

      I assume you're missing all three thumbs.

    11. Re:Medical Applications by 31+Flavas · · Score: 1

      quick question, how do you pronouce dvorak? dev-o-rak?

    12. Re:Medical Applications by senrik · · Score: 1

      duh-vor-zhak

      Like the composer.

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    13. Re:Medical Applications by 31+Flavas · · Score: 1

      Thanks

    14. Re:Medical Applications by The_dev0 · · Score: 1

      Then how the hell do you hitchhike?

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    15. Re:Medical Applications by nametaken · · Score: 1

      Actually, I just heard a funny story about this. The local K9 training team left a target hand laying on a construction site recently.

    16. Re:Medical Applications by hamisht · · Score: 1
      The no hand, on screen option is here.

      Can be made to work with "head-mouse or by eyetracker" as they say on the site, or via joystick/mouse etc. Also aimed where full sized keyboards are not really an option (eg palmtops).

      Download versions exist for Windows, GNU/Linux, PocketPC and Mac - also a number of languages.

    17. Re:Medical Applications by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

      I remember once my brother was talking on a BBS, and he didn't know how to type. Someone said to him "What, are you typing with your dick?"

      I forsee a day in the near future where this will be practical.

    18. Re:Medical Applications by xtrucial · · Score: 1

      One of three computer labs that I support at my job is geared specifically toward those with disabilities. You're right. There are, in fact, uses for this kind of technology. One woman at the lab uses something similar to those touchpad inputs found on some laptops, because she has trouble controlling her muscle movement.

    19. Re:Medical Applications by Combuchan · · Score: 1

      A quadriplegic that worked in the computer lab two or three of my jobs ago just used a device that was basically a stick with a teeth grip on one end and a regular keyboard. He bobbed for keys using just as fast if not faster than me typing one fingered.

      Sometimes a low tech solution works just fine.

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    20. Re:Medical Applications by andyclap · · Score: 1

      Sorry, no mod points, but just to let you know I now feel sick from laughing at that. In more ways than one.

    21. Re:Medical Applications by Froggie+2003 · · Score: 1

      Has anyone heard of FrogPad? Wow I was blown away by this little keyboard!!! My friend who only has use of her right hand got one and loves it. It is a miniature one-handed keyboard with regular size keys. It is really easy to learn to use and its small size makes it portable, plus you can type about 40 WPM on it. If you want to see what it looks like go to www.frogpad.com. To really see how great this keyboard is though you really need to order one and try it for yourself. I love mine!!! www.frogpad.com

  11. Evolution by Hayzeus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Over the next few hundred millenia, expect the fingers and left thumb to wither and disappear, while the right thumb advances in dexterity, utlimately develops it's own intelligence, detaches from the human "host", and finally becomes the dominant species on the planet.

    1. Re:Evolution by Surak · · Score: 1

      Um, hey, some of are left-handed you insensitive clod! :-P

    2. Re:Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Until, unfortunately they start burrowing up middle-managments ass for a warm place to go to the bathroom.

    3. Re:Evolution by EMH_Mark3 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Next on Fox, 'Planet of the Thumbs'

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    4. Re:Evolution by Hayzeus · · Score: 1

      You guys all disappear in what appears to be a massive die-off by 5000AD, a mystery which will puzzle future thumb anthropologists for years.

    5. Re:Evolution by davidstrauss · · Score: 1

      Day of the Thumb: The new retro game from LucasArts.

    6. Re:Evolution by Reality+Master+101 · · Score: 1, Funny

      And I for one welcome our new "digital" overlords. I'd like to remind them that as a trusted Slashdot personality, I can be helpful in rounding up others to become gladiators for their thumb-wrestling colisseum.

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  12. It has to be said... by AvantLegion · · Score: 3, Funny
    Kawaii!!

    1. Re:It has to be said... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ie -- ano wa baka yo.

      (Hey -- Slashdot guys! Why won't Slashdot let me post using hiragana?)

    2. Re:It has to be said... by LeoDV · · Score: 1

      I would go along, but I'm afraid I'm not a Japanese 13 y/o old schoolgirl.

    3. Re:It has to be said... by corsec67 · · Score: 1

      ãããã®ãããã
      hmm, in Linux, no less.

      Lamness filter? that seems like a limiting thing here. You were one character over.

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  13. Gimme a break by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    As Japanese teens are so used to typing one another messages on their cellphones, they are now more comfortable with one thumb typing than the old two handed QWERTY.

    Bull. Shit. While I don't doubt the increased popularity of cell phones has led many to grow accustomed to typing in this manner, this is a ridiculous and untrue claim.

    1. Re:Gimme a break by zero_offset · · Score: 1
      Exactly. I believe a more accurate explanation is probably:

      "As Japanese teens are so used to pecking messages on their cellphones, they are now too lazy to actually learn to type on a two-handed QWERY keyboard."

      I can type 130 WPM with very, very few errors. Closer to 150 WPM on a real, full-size Microsoft Natural keyboard. It's simply physically impossible to move one or both thumbs that quickly.

      The other question is... is this "typing" some form of Japanese? In that case you probably have to redefine "WPM" -- although the article does refer to a QWERTY keyboard. If it isn't Japanese, is it that abbreviated SMS lingo? That hardly qualifies as typing. At my real speed of 130 WPM, imagine how my WPM rate would skyrocket if I dropped 50% of the letters and didn't correct errors, yet claimed full speed for the sake of a sensational article...

      Either way... pure, unadulterated BS.

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  14. Why limit usage to one's thumb? by macshune · · Score: 2, Funny

    Males, anyhow, can use another appendage that is at least mildly opposable with this keyboard. This would allow your hands to remain free to, say, conduct an orchestra or do pull-ups....all while chatting with your friends!!! Incredible!!!

    1. Re:Why limit usage to one's thumb? by bedurndurn · · Score: 3, Funny

      If your wang is prehensile, I suggest you go see a doctor immediately.

    2. Re:Why limit usage to one's thumb? by Tablizer · · Score: 2, Funny

      If your wang is prehensile, I suggest you go see a doctor immediately.

      Or porno talent agencies

    3. Re:Why limit usage to one's thumb? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      If your wang is prehensile, I suggest you go see a doctor immediately.

      Sounds like a pretty advanced case of Peyronie's Disease.

  15. Learn Some HTML by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  16. Quick... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Send this to 3DRealms, so they can speed up production on Duke Nukem Forever.

  17. Future Junk! by radiumhahn · · Score: 1

    Its the toaster clock of tomorrow! Really, who thinks up this crap.

    1. Re:Future Junk! by mesach · · Score: 1

      umm... that would be the japanese

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  18. The Fonze by vitalitychernobyl · · Score: 2, Funny

    says, "Aaaaaayyyyy"

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    1. Re:The Fonze by cryms0n · · Score: 1

      Funny shit.

      For those don't know.

      Yes, I am too young.

  19. Also featured in Wired this month by Das+Kamikaze · · Score: 2, Informative

    Although they didn't say much more about it...

    Wired blurb

    1. Re:Also featured in Wired this month by klui · · Score: 1

      Book reports on one of these keyboards? These kids have nothing to do. Wait until they write a couple of reports and then find out their thumb has RSI. Probably wouldn't think it's cool when they have their thumb in a splint. Do they make such a keyboard operated by the middle finger?

  20. So what... by Dark+Paladin · · Score: 3, Funny

    So what do I do with my other hand when I'm surfing the Internet?

    Oh - wait. Um, nevermind.

    1. Re:So what... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I won't have to have that penis reduction surgery after all. This new device will keep things from getting out of hand.

    2. Re:So what... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      why dont you stick your finger up your bum you homo

    3. Re:So what... by eggz128 · · Score: 2, Funny

      ...Use the mouse?

    4. Re:So what... by gl4ss · · Score: 1

      hang on IRC with your phone of course!

      seriously though.. i could use a zaurus type pad as extra option for my 3650.. would make having useless debates on irc while having a 'real' life much easier..

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    5. Re:So what... by geekoid · · Score: 1

      for a moment there I thought you had 3 hands...

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  21. Ouch by gregbaker · · Score: 2, Funny
    The page hasn't even finished loading and I think I have RSI already.

    Seriously... that can't be good for your hands.

  22. Obligatory Windows-bashing post... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A one thumb keyboard doesn't do a lot of good in Windows. You'll at least need this:
    http://www.sadinoff.com/fun/kbd.jpg

  23. Typing speed? by GoatEnigma · · Score: 4, Insightful
    I wonder how proficient anyone could ever get on this thing. It clearly is not a solution for desktop, but it seems doubtful as a handheld replacement either. Typing speed is the major problem with handhelds these days anyway - Graffitti for Palm lets me do about 15 wpm and that's after 3 years of practice.

    I would bet on voice recognition or blackberry-style data input for handhelds before I bet on thumb-only input.

    [aside]It kind of reminds me of those old Colecovision controllers....[/aside]

    1. Re:Typing speed? by dhovis · · Score: 2, Informative
      Graffitti for Palm lets me do about 15 wpm and that's after 3 years of practice.

      There are other options out there. One is the fitaly keyboard, which is supposed to be optimized for use with a stylus. They claim you can get 50 wpm. I've never tried it, but it certainly looks easier than Graffitti to me. Anybody out there tried it?

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    2. Re:Typing speed? by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Japanese makes just as much sense with 10 buttons as it does on a qwerty keyboard. Some Japanese cell phone users can get up to 200 wpm in SMS messages (supposedly). I always thought they used two thumbs simultaneously, but I don't know for sure.

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    3. Re:Typing speed? by Daniel_Staal · · Score: 1

      I tried it, liked it. I actually used it to take notes in college. I haven't gotten a new overlay for my Clie, but mostly since I don't write as much on it. I never got much more than 20 wpm, but since that is about the fastest I can actually type... (Poor hand-eye cordination. Needed more video games as a kid.)

      Problem: it is hard to use in the dark, or not looking at the keyboard. I can do Graffiti by feel. Otherwise I prefer Fitaly.

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    4. Re:Typing speed? by mothrathegreat · · Score: 1
      Can you imagine the RSI problems this thing would cause, Jeez

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    5. Re:Typing speed? by hymie3 · · Score: 1

      There are other options out there. One is the fitaly keyboard, which is supposed to be optimized for use with a stylus. They claim you can get 50 wpm. I've never tried it, but it certainly looks easier than Graffitti to me. Anybody out there tried it?

      I can do ~20wpm using Graffitti, and about 35wpm using fitaly. The thing that *REALLY* bumps up my wpm is TextPlus. Taking notes and whatnot, I can get 57wpm (oddly enough, it doesn't seem to matter if i use graffitti or fitaly). It's useful for completion of commonly used phrases and long words. If the word/phrase is longer than five characters, I use the TextPlus autocomplete and *poof* my wpm jumps by at least 20.

      The Nokia text thing is amazing. I can get about 20wpm doing text messaging with the Nokia phone and my two phones. I have younger friends who can text input on the phone at 50wpm. Amazing. I forget what the system is called, but you "type" in the numbers and the system is able to tell based on further text input what word you meant, eliminating the "this is not a word" combinations. For example, it "knows" that 27753 is apple (rather than, say "brrke" or "arsle")

    6. Re:Typing speed? by Combuchan · · Score: 1

      The technology to which you refer is T9, by Tegic Communications.

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    7. Re:Typing speed? by hymie3 · · Score: 1

      The technology to which you refer is T9, by Tegic Communications.

      Thanks! Do you know of anything that combines something like T9, only for the palm? T9+TextPlus would be the ultimate in text input for the palm. I might even be able to get up to (slow) typing speeds.

  24. Obligatory Family Guy joke ? by zonix · · Score: 1

    Peter Griffin: Am..Am I supposed to conduct with my penis?

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  25. They'll be sorry.. by grub · · Score: 2, Insightful
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    1. Re:They'll be sorry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am lame, sorry for not closing the tag :(

    2. Re:They'll be sorry.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't you wish you could edit posts? Guess that's what preview's for =P

    3. Re:They'll be sorry.. by klui · · Score: 1

      I had a cortisone shot in my wrist before, but I remember my doctor told me that it should not hurt at all. That area felt numb for the first hour or two then subsiding quickly after that. There should not be any pain. If there is, then the doctor has probably injected the cortisone into the nerve, which is wrong--the trick is to get the needle as close to the nerve without touching it then releasing the medicine.

    4. Re:They'll be sorry.. by modecx · · Score: 1

      I had the same thing happen when I used a trackball exclusively. It was one of the first Logitech trackballs around, serial interface and all. Thank god it finally died so my thumb could recover...

      Any strenuous and repetitive movement can't be a good thing.

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  26. Pictures? by American+AC+in+Paris · · Score: 2, Funny
    Pictures transcend language barriers.

    ...and one slashdotting is worth a thousand "AAAAAAGH! MY SERVER!"'s...

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  27. Uh-huh by PinkStainlessTail · · Score: 2, Funny

    And this will coincidentally be available at ThinkGeek when?

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    1. Re:Uh-huh by mesach · · Score: 1

      its Japanese... Dynamism has to have it first

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  28. Who... by 1WingedAngel · · Score: 1
  29. Where would we be... by Jedi+Holocron · · Score: 1

    ...without an opposable thumb?

    1. Re:Where would we be... by osu-neko · · Score: 3, Funny

      Well, if our thumbs were not opposable, I guess we'd just have to do everything they wanted without question...

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  30. A Boon to One-Handed Web Surfers... by RTMFD · · Score: 1

    "One-handed" web surfers will no longer have to remember all those complicated alt-ascii codes and work with those page flippers. Plus, I hear that if you type with the other hand, it feels like someone else is doing it :)

  31. Missing option... by nother_nix_hacker · · Score: 2, Funny

    but I don't have a thumb you insensitive clod!... oh hold on..

  32. maybe there is an application for desktops by joFFeman · · Score: 1

    possibly for the disabled [MD or the like] or those of us who have painful carpal tunnel syndrome.

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  33. Keiiiiboard by shibbydude · · Score: 1

    Keiboard? Did they send this out with a typo like this? Did anyone read that? Damn, those Japanese are some lazy people...

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    1. Re:Keiiiiboard by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      "Keiboard" is the literal transliteration of the Japanese name.

      It's a contraction (as Japanese love to do) of the full description of the product: "Keitai denwa gata kiiboardo" = "Portable phone size(style) keyboard".

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    2. Re:Keiiiiboard by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      The Japanese people really need to be respected for their approach to english. They may not know it very well, but they'll give it their best shot :)

      Most Japanese people don't speak english, but studied it for years in school, so they know some words of it, and many japanese nouns for newer things, especially electronic goods are basically english, but with creative pronounciation (sylabically, close to kana syllables).

      With creative pronounciation and speech, and a bit of sign language, it's quite possible to get by there as a tourist without speaking Japanese. McDonalds (Macodonarudos) in Japan caters for the foreign devils by printing menus in english, but to order say a Tufo Burger + Fries + Orange Juice, it's "tofu setu oreji juso".

      (And Tofu Burgers are actually pretty nice :)

    3. Re:Keiiiiboard by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Except that Keiboard isn't English, it's Japanese written in romaji.

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    4. Re:Keiiiiboard by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1
      1) If you've ever seen a Japanese kid's English homework, you'd understand why they have such poor ability. Beget, begat, begotten...what?

      2) "Foreign devils" is a racial slur used by the Chinese, not the Japanese.

      3) Tofu burgers are an abomination before God.

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    5. Re:Keiiiiboard by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      1) I know :) and I don't fault Japanese people as a whole for not speaking english all that well, it's not like it's an official language of their country. They do a good job of speaking/dealing with english speaking people, even if they themselves don't understand it all that well :)

      2) Yes, foreign barbarians and stupid gaijin is more common in Japan, but I revell in being a foreign devil, so I'll just call myself that ;)

      3) Heh! They weren't nearly as bad as I expected ;)

    6. Re:Keiiiiboard by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      that ought to be makudonarudo and 'toufu sando setto' or 'toufu hanbaagu setto' and 'orenji juusu'

      so i guess your point stands about being able to get around in japan as a tourist without speaking much japanese ;)

  34. Colour me unimpressed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I have one of these in my house, I call it the "TV remote control"

  35. chording keyboards by wattersa · · Score: 1

    While traditional chording keyboards have never really caught on, this thumb "keyboard" seems to have great potential in this area. Chording keyboards, as we all know, have fewer keys and allow people to type faster if they know the combinations very well. Unfortunately, the combinations are somewhat more difficult to memorize than the locations of keys on a regular keyboard. But if you could have a dual-thumb apparatus, like a set of two joysticks or a pair of sensor-embedded gloves (a la Minority Report), I bet you could make chording feasible.

  36. Speed and Ergonomics by DaRat · · Score: 1

    Looks like typing speed will be pretty slow and the poor thumb will get too much of a work out (typing thumb?). I'd be really concerned about the increased chance for repetitive stress injuries for the thumb and palm.

  37. Thumb dexterity by ikewillis · · Score: 4, Interesting

    British university researchers, after studying hundreds of children in Beijing, Tokyo and other big cities, say today's youngsters have become the 'thumb generation'.

    By regularly using mobile phones, especially to send text messages and by playing hand-held computer games, a physical mutation had developed in the under-25s, the researchers have found.

    The thumbs of today's electronic-gadget generation of children have become more muscled, more dextrous and often more used than fingers.

    This is because modern youngsters grow up using hand-held gadgets where the devices are cupped in the hand and held firm by fingers, giving thumbs the pivotal role of pushing buttons.

    This has caused a significant physical alteration in the way the digits of the hand are used - with thumbs being given the thumbs-up and an increasingly important role in youngsters' lives.

    The researchers found that gadget-age children were now using their thumbs for tasks such as pointing at things and ringing doorbells - traditionally the job of the forefinger.

    Whereas the forefinger was also previously used to clean an ear opening, mobile-phone using, text-messaging children will instinctively use their thumbs.

    Even when they want to pick their noses, more and more boys and girls are tending to use a thumb, instead of a finger.

    Whereas mothers and fathers would push the buttons on a telephone with their forefinger, many children would use their thumbs instead.

    And when they type a message on the keyboard of a desktop computer, children hit more keys with their thumbs than adults.

    Though most older people use their forefingers to operate remote controls for television sets and video recorders, many children tend to use their thumbs.

    The findings have been revealed by the Cybernetic Culture Research Unit of Warwick University, one of Britain's top research institutions.

    Experts spent six months studying the habits of thousands of children in countries around the world.

    The researchers included youngsters in Beijing and Tokyo in their survey, in order to ensure that their findings were globally relevant, and did not apply to just a couple of countries.

    The experts found that in fact, the trend of children using their thumbs more and more was particularly marked in Japan.

    1. Re:Thumb dexterity by Smartcowboy · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Could you please post your source (URL, bibliography, ect)? While I can't say this is totally impossible, it sound, well, a bit exagerated. If this is true, I'm much interrested in the actual paper.

    2. Re:Thumb dexterity by jetkust · · Score: 5, Funny

      Even when they want to pick their noses, more and more boys and girls are tending to use a thumb, instead of a finger.

      This is all cool until they use their thumb to fire a gun and shoot themselves in the face.

    3. Re:Thumb dexterity by Trick · · Score: 2, Insightful

      "..a physical mutation had developed in the under-25s, the researchers have found ... The thumbs of today's electronic-gadget generation of children have become more muscled, more dextrous and often more used than fingers."

      Since when is increasing musculature and dexterity through exercise a "mutation?"

      To most Slahdot readers the concept may be alien, but it's hardly a mutation.

    4. Re:Thumb dexterity by athakur999 · · Score: 1
      Whereas the forefinger was also previously used to clean an ear opening ... Even when they want to pick their noses


      So are the next generation of kids gonna have large nostrils and ear canals? Because I tried cleaning my ear and picking my nose with my thumb and didn't get very far (both figuratively and literally). So I'm thinking the current crop of thumb-using, small-ear canaled, small nostriled kids will die off from not being able to breath or hear due to, uh, buildup.

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    5. Re:Thumb dexterity by prozac79 · · Score: 2
      The thumbs of today's electronic-gadget generation of children have become more muscled, more dextrous and often more used than fingers.

      Last time I checked, the thumb already was used more often than fingers. The thumb was one of the great feats of human evolution wasn't it? To get a feel for how important the thumb already is, tape your thumb to the palm of your hand and try to do just about any daily activity. I don't think the average person says, "Hey, I will use 8 fingers for this task instead of 10" and the thumb-gadget people think, "You know, this looks like a good task for my thumb". Show me a non-thumb-gadget activity that thumb-gadget people use their thumbs more than other people (say that sentence 10 times fast).

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    6. Re:Thumb dexterity by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      I was giving him the benefit of the doubt and assuming that he meant "physical mutation" in contrast to a genetic mutation. In that regard, it is true, though stated in an overly dramatic fashion.

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    7. Re:Thumb dexterity by MikeFM · · Score: 1

      I didn't really realize how often I used my thumb until recently when I hurt it (by dropping a couple hundred pounds of boards on top of it) and then finding out that it's hard to do just about everything you do with your hands if your thumb is injured.

      I can't see my thumb replacing my forefinger as my main finger simply because it's shorter and pointed more inward than the forefinger. I do use my thumbs quite a lot but the forefinger is just better suited for some tasks. I've grown up using the thumbs for video games and uses such as that and I do see what the article is getting at. I'd say that I use a combination of my forefinger and thumb together quite a lot. On both hands.

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    8. Re:Thumb dexterity by Omestes · · Score: 1

      While this is a very "interesting" (quoth the mods) article, I'm doubting its validity, being that THERE IS NO SOURCE! I really don't even understand how anyone could even mod it up intersting, being it is possibly a complete fiction. An important rule to live by, if you want to sound intelligent, CITE YOUR GADAMN SOURCES! Especially if it is a quote, as this seems.

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    9. Re:Thumb dexterity by MarcoAtWork · · Score: 1

      google is your friend, searching for one of the phrases in the article with "" this was the first link returned:

      http://it.asia1.com.sg/specials/phones/thumbgen200 20325_001.html

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    10. Re:Thumb dexterity by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's kind of weird, as the thumb is actually one of the lesser dextrous digits, also most times the shortest. I can imagine how people could ring a doorbell using their thumbs, however, it is almost unimaginable how someone could possibly POINT to something using their thumb, that would just look stupid. Just like how handwriting is going dowin the shitter, as was posted a few days ago, so is using your FINGERS to do stuff, instead of the thumb. Sometimes we gotta wonder if this stuff is good or bad,

    11. Re:Thumb dexterity by glitch23 · · Score: 1

      By regularly using mobile phones, especially to send text messages and by playing hand-held computer games, a physical mutation had developed in the under-25s, the researchers have found.

      So now simple muscle toning is considered a mutation and thus an argument for evolution being real? Give me a break. I guess all those body builders are just a big mass of mutations then? Too bad (for the evolutionists) this won't actually get past down to the children's offspring since it's not actually a mutation and thus a change in the chemical DNA of the children (which is the basis of evolution). I still can't quite understand how a physical change creates a checmical change but that's the scientists for ya.

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    12. Re:Thumb dexterity by Suchetha · · Score: 1

      Even when they want to pick their noses, more and more boys and girls are tending to use a thumb, instead of a finger.
      +
      The experts found that in fact, the trend of children using their thumbs more and more was particularly marked in Japan.
      =
      they also have these HUGE nostrils

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    13. Re:Thumb dexterity by poot_rootbeer · · Score: 1

      By regularly using mobile phones, especially to send text messages and by playing hand-held computer games, a physical mutation had developed in the under-25s, the researchers have found.

      Who wrote this nonsense?

      Developing strong thumb muscles from using mobile phones and video games is no more a physical mutation than 'mutating' the length of your hair by getting it cut, or 'mutating' your brain by going to school and learning stuff.

  38. tyng wth 1 hand by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    yes tyng wth 1 hand seens t be a great dea!

  39. 品In case the article gets slashdotted品 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The article displays only a cellphone and some incomprehensible japanese text. Nothing else to see, so move on.

  40. Woohoo! by frieked · · Score: 1

    Finally my other hand is free to do *ahem* other things :D

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  41. It's like the sound of one thumb clapping. by Salden · · Score: 1

    I never understood that, especially since I knew a guy who could make a clapping sound with just one hand (and only one hand, you sickos)

  42. No point against 25 year old women and SMS by MosesJones · · Score: 1


    What is the market for this... really. Not mobile phone users as anyone who uses SMS with predictive text is pretty swift on a small keypad, and women aged 15-30 appear to be able to type at 100wpm.

    Really in Japan and Europe the SMS speed people get is gobsmacking and technologies like predictive text are probably more effective than keyboard design especially as the software improves.

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    1. Re:No point against 25 year old women and SMS by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ok, let me type truck on my Nokia 3630 with the predictive typing on:
      Push 8
      T
      Push 7
      Up
      Push 8
      Tru
      Push 2
      Usua
      Push 5
      Usual

      Yup, Usual is how Truck is spelled.
      If I push 7 after pushing 5 it gives me
      Trucks. Now I have to turn off the predictive text and go back spacing

    2. Re:No point against 25 year old women and SMS by justinburt · · Score: 1

      Have you tried pressing the plus sign?

      This will give you the other possibilities that the phone has in its dictionary.

      Justin

    3. Re:No point against 25 year old women and SMS by generic-man · · Score: 1

      Press * after you see "Usual." It cycles through the permutations found so far. I usually have a problem with short words like "me"/"of" or "an"/"am" where the phone can't tell from context.

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    4. Re:No point against 25 year old women and SMS by jx100 · · Score: 1

      If you press the * button it will cycle through the possible combinations. I just tried it, and I think you would only have to press it once...

  43. Huh? What's so original? by djkitsch · · Score: 1

    This just looks like the kind of alphanumeric pad you get on cellphones, just on a wired USB dongle.
    You can already get IR remote controls with these built in!

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  44. Thumb Size an Issue? by kc0dxh · · Score: 2, Interesting
    Has any American sized thumb tried to use these? I don't mean to be crude, but since there is a general hight difference, can't one assume a slight, but in this case important, size difference in thumbs too? I suppose if this were manufactured in the US I could file a discrimination lawsuit.

    PrairieNights

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    1. Re:Thumb Size an Issue? by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      It's a reasonable enough concern, most of japan is made for people who are 5'8" or less.. I've whacked my head on so many doors/ceilings it's not funny.

      Thumb imput devices like this are no different to the way many westerners (Australia + Europe anyway) write text messages with mobile phones.. it's a bit of a pain, but once you get to know how many times to press a number to make a specific letter, it's not too bad.

    2. Re:Thumb Size an Issue? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      id say more than height-difference-to-thumb-size itd the girth of the generally-overweight american population's thumbs that would cause an issue

  45. I don't get it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Huh?

    1. Re:I don't get it. by TheCrazyFinn · · Score: 3, Informative

      No You don't.

      Kawaii=cute

      Along with Sugoi (Great/Incredible), it's one of the two generic exclamations in anime.

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    2. Re:I don't get it. by Soul-Burn666 · · Score: 1

      Just for the note, Sugoi has more than one meaning.
      It also means (taken from the EDict):
      (adj) terrible, dreadful, terrific, amazing, great, wonderful, to a great extent, (P)

      Yes, it means both "wonderful" and "terrible" (however, when trying to say terrible they usually use "hidoi").

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    3. Re:I don't get it. by DNS-and-BIND · · Score: 1

      Hm, I thought it was an exclamation in Japanese. Funny how one of the world's great languages gets reduced to nothing more than a communication medium for children's cartoons in the stunted mind of the media-saturated Westerner.

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  46. Right by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Developed" a mutation?

    Pleased to meet you, Mr. Lamarck.

  47. how long before . . . by UnknowingFool · · Score: 2, Funny

    we see somebody on the highway writing email with one hand, eating with the other hand, and using their shoulder to hold onto a cell phone and using their feet to steer?

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    1. Re:how long before . . . by mcpkaaos · · Score: 1

      You must not live in southern California. That's pretty typical around here.

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    2. Re:how long before . . . by digitac · · Score: 1

      actually my boss does this already, I've seen it!

    3. Re:how long before . . . by Lord_Dweomer · · Score: 1
      " we see somebody on the highway writing email with one hand, eating with the other hand, and using their shoulder to hold onto a cell phone and using their feet to steer?"

      Ya know...its things like this that make me think that cars that are on autopilot might not be nearly as bad as we think. Yeah I'd want to have control over it most of the time....but think of all the things you could do just by letting it take you somewhere on autopilot...it could probably go a lot faster too because it would be a lot more organized. I think that as we move out of the Information Age and into the Productivity Age, we'll get this, and I think it will revolutionize many things.

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    4. Re:how long before . . . by YrWrstNtmr · · Score: 1

      A few years ago, some guy in Israel got stopped for driving erratically. Seems he was steering with his elbows, having two arguments on two cell phones at the same time.

  48. Atari Keypads - Been There, Done That by fastdecade · · Score: 1

    Yeah these japanese teens might do some IMing and write a few essays, but how about cutting some serious Atari 2600 BASIC code with a numeric keypad (circa 1978).

  49. Oh no! by d3faultus3r · · Score: 2, Funny

    How am I supposed to type ctrl alt del when using Windows now.

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  50. Coming Soon... by jetkust · · Score: 5, Funny

    1.5" monitors. As Japanese teens are so used to reading messages on their cellphones, they are now more comfortable with monitors closer to the size of their cellphone screen which...

    1. Re:Coming Soon... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Heh I can see people going to Japan with these old 1990 satellite phone and making ladies faint :)

  51. not cordless.. by Suppafly · · Score: 2, Insightful

    It would seem like this would go over better if it were cordless, much like a tv remote control. If you look at the pictures, it looks corded, this decreases the utility for me, if I have to be that close to the computer, I might as well use my regular corded keyboard and mouse.

  52. Thumb Wrestling by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you are over 30, don't even think about thumb wrestling with a 10 year old. You'll get you ass kicked.

  53. pr0n by psyconaut · · Score: 1, Redundant

    I guess another application is that this keyboard allows you to easily type while the other hand is occupied ;-)

    -psy

  54. Pictures on site by gouldtj · · Score: 1

    Can anyone perchance tell me why the colors in the pictures are in katakana?

    1. Re:Pictures on site by dethl · · Score: 1

      Ummm, its on a Japanese website :P

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    2. Re:Pictures on site by Large+Green+Mallard · · Score: 1

      Yes, but katakana is the equivalent of writing japanese words using the english alphabet.. katakana is used to write foreign words.. you'll probably find japanese already had words for those colours when the bastard admiral perry came along and introduced them to the west. (summary of the 1800s in japanese war memorial)

      All I can think of is it's to make it look more exotic, or because japanese people don't like the colour white, and maybe don't even like writing the hiragana or kanji for it :)

    3. Re:Pictures on site by ashitaka · · Score: 1

      Katakana colour model names would be used where we would put objects that we associate with the colour e.g. "Sky", "Forest", "Sand") Kanji for colours would be used to describe the actual colour of the unit.

      For example: Buruu-gata keiboardo wa aoi-iro desu.

      (The "Blue" model is blue-coloured)

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    4. Re:Pictures on site by gouldtj · · Score: 1

      Okay, I think I get it. Basically you are saying that those are 'model names' and not a description of the color of the object itself.

      Thanks.

    5. Re:Pictures on site by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Katakana is the equivalent of italics. Sometimes we italicize foreign words in English as well. This practice is simply more codified in the Japanese language: Hors d'oevres are so damn bourgeois. Sometimes katakana or italics are simply used for emphasis. (Any native speakers want to correct me?)

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    6. Re:Pictures on site by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

      you are mostly correct. it is technically for foreign words, however it has lately been adopted as a way to bring attention to the word itself. kanji is very overlooked, hiragana is generally just used for particles now... but katakana words stick out like sore thumbs, so katakana is great for bringing attention to certain things. on the other hand, it's also trendy to just use english words (thus using katakana) so it still goes both ways. i hate the fact that they use katakana on native words though... it bothers the hell out of me when i read something and i sit there for 10 minutes trying to figure out what word (usually english) they are trying to emulate... then ultimately coming to the conclusion that they really meant fish all along, some marketing idiot just decided to make "FISH" stand out and confuse the hell out of all the foreigners.

    7. Re:Pictures on site by Elwood+P+Dowd · · Score: 1

      Huh. I thought it was the other way around: technically it is to bring attention to the word itself, but lately it's been adopted for foreign words.

      Any experts?

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  55. Remote with SMS keyboard? by Cpt_Kirks · · Score: 1

    I have been looking for a remote control that incorporates an SMS type thumb keyboard and a pointing device (mini trackball?). I've seen one with a trackball and a slew of buttons, but no keyboard.

    Living room computers really need something like this. Buttons are great, but for typing a URL, you need a keyboard.

  56. overseas /. by zapp · · Score: 1

    Yaaaay for over-seas slashdotting!

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  57. parent is flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    mod him down -- as a japanese nisei i'm offended. >:(

    1. Re:parent is flamebait by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      mod him down -- as a japanese nisei i'm offended. >:(

      Hi, I'm an Irish nisei.

  58. I can see why Japan is a better place for this... by Kjella · · Score: 1

    ...the gadget-hype not withstanding, in Japanese they don't have an alphabet in the same way as we do in the Western world. I imagine they must "build" symbols in a way, which makes as much or little sense on a one-hand as a two-hand keyboard really.

    Personally I'd find this very awkward because I'm used to a one press = one character keyboard, and even on my cell phone it is mostly so because of the dictionary, despite some characters "sharing" a button.

    But, I suppose it would work for some of the people I went to school with that in (the US equivalent of) high school managed a whopping 50 CPM (yes, that's characters per minute)...

    Kjella

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  59. Hrm...I wouldn't use this to MUD with... by dethl · · Score: 1

    Ok...I'm in a room, and OH CRAP, someone tracked the buffest mob in the entire friggen game....Gotta get that thumb moving...by the time I get to fully type recall with my thumb, the monster has proceeded to kill me, eat my corpse, and sacrifice all of the equipment on it...and I just completed getting all that L33t eq!!

    For some things, there will always be your handy-dandy QWERTY keyboard.

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  60. No source? NO SOURCE!? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    It bugs me to no end when someone posts something and doesn't cite a source. Posts like that shouldn't get modded up, period!!!

    http://it.asia1.com.sg/specials/phones/thumbgen200 20325_001.html

    There's the link.

  61. Another, similar project by beatniklew · · Score: 2, Informative

    This site features a goos system for one handed data imput. It makes more sense to me than the pictures from the japanese sight did anyway.

  62. Re:I can see why Japan is a better place for this. by xutopia · · Score: 1

    did you ever think though that each character in their language is a word?

  63. Meanwhile back on the homefront... by ainsoph · · Score: 0, Troll

    Microsoft using its monopoly powers to screw over school districts some more.

    Japan gets fun toys every day of the week, like keypads (yay for pr0n right on the shelf @ 7-11!!!), while the greed of the power elite in this country destroys the domestic situation, stifles innovation, and in the school case, retards the possibility for children to get a non-vendor locked, broadbased view of information technology.

    America the great.? America the gutter..

    Microsoft to fuck over schools some more

    1. Re:Meanwhile back on the homefront... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dude if you like japan so much go there. after you do, you'll come crawling back begging to be here. you realize they have the highest suicide rate of any industrialized nation? it's actually double ours... and they have 1/2 the people! they are worked to death, have very little free time, the society is overbearing, and all they can really afford is little toys. they don't have large houses with 3 car garages. get over your anti-american and anti-MS soap box and go learn for yourself instead of just following the crowd. on a side note, i had some japanese exchange students visiting and while driving i asked how fast they had driven before and they said "100" or so... then i realized they were talking about km/h... so instead i decided to show them what "100" really meant so they could tell all their friends how wild and crazy us american guys are ;-) was fun listening to them squeal at a measly 100mph

    2. Re:Meanwhile back on the homefront... by ainsoph · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      Oh fuck off retard.

      I have been to japan, its nice. Some of the problems you state exist, but America, despite the obvious need for you to wank off incessently to all the patriot propaganda you are being spoon fed, is a pile of shit, and currently going to hell in a handbasket.

      But whatever, you would have no clue since your too busy being "wild and crazy". More like being a cesspool brained fucktard.

      Who gives a flying fuck if you can drive 100mph?

      Next time instead of responding to me, you might wanna Google the word: Xenophobia.

      IDIOT.

  64. There is by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    >this could advance data input on handhelds Already available for Palm in Japan. http://www.holonsoft.co.jp/products/palm/wootte/

  65. Worst Idea Ever by Yet+Another+Smith · · Score: 1

    OH man, this is a bad idea. Touch-typing, no matter how much experience you have with those damned numberpads, is ALWAYS going to be faster. Seriously. get an instructional course in touchtyping, get some skillz built up with 'The Typing of the Dead' and frickin end your damned love-affairs with doing everything like its SMS. You'll be happier in the long run.

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  66. The next pill... by CaptScarlet22 · · Score: 1

    Viathumb.....

    It will keep you thumb pumped for hours!!!

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  67. Can you say RSI? by marian · · Score: 1

    Unfortunately I can. And already do. It's bad enough that way too many of us who are "computer professionals" have the fun of carpal tunnel and/or tendonitis from using all of our fingers for typing. I can only imagine what the concentrated repetitive motion injury will be for thumb-only typing. Ugh. It already hurts like hell to type on my Blackberry.

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  68. 違う! (Chigau!) by sulli · · Score: 1

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  69. Some People Believe Anything by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

    The USB Coffee warmer was a JOKE. I don't remember where I saw it, but it was on April Fool's Day, and it took me a minute or two to realize that. I'd already done the math on how many watts of power at 5 Volts = too many amps to draw from a USB port when I realized it was April 1.

    It woudn't surprise me that the "pleasure accessory" item was a joke, too...

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    1. Re:Some People Believe Anything by dtldl · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure wasnt, but anyway I'm guessing the april fools thing your thinking of is the George forman iGrill on thinkgeek.com which yeah is kinda impossible on the 600mA my usb controller supplies. :)

    2. Re:Some People Believe Anything by Mister+Transistor · · Score: 1

      Thanks. You are quite right. All of my past indiscretions and old age have finally caught up with me. :)

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    3. Re:Some People Believe Anything by Camulus · · Score: 1

      I remember a game "device" that hooked up to the ps2 that can get found at Game Girl Advance. Don't know if it is actually a joke though.

    4. Re:Some People Believe Anything by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The USB "Canned" coffer warmer ISN'T joke in Japan. It's real.

      #Sorry, I forgot URL for it.

    5. Re:Some People Believe Anything by NisJ�rgensen · · Score: 1

      FUFME connects using IDE - but is sure is the most full-featured device of the kind I've seen on the market.

      Unfortunately they've apparently lost/abandoned the fufme.com domain ...

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  70. Actually by L7_ · · Score: 1

    Actually, the reason that people can type fast isnt because of the thumb-input, it seems to be from the word completion algorithms in use.

    For instance, you hit 2-7 it autofills in the word 'at'. Then as you type in more '3 Letter' keys, it will automatically fill in the most common words. When you are done and its not the word you want, you hit # or * or whatever and loop through all the words in the dictionary. So in the example above, you hit '*' then 'at' becomes 'as' and you keep typing away.

    Which isn't even a good example, becuase it took 3 keystrokes for a 2 letter word, while it seems most 5+ words are guessed pretty readily by the completion algorithm.

    Also to note, that it is *More* work to type 'L8' than 'Late', since to type L8 you need to use the non-completion input which would be done in 3 key presses to get L, then 4 to get 8. While 'Late' would take 4.

    1. Re:Actually by ultrapenguin · · Score: 1

      what?
      Which phones do this?
      I've never seen a jap phone that auto-completes.
      Perhaps you are talking about american phones?

    2. Re:Actually by i+chose+quality · · Score: 1

      naaaah, get a clue.

      the T9 dictionary is available on 180 different cell phones for 40 different languages and one of them is japanese...

      standard feature.

      next, please! ;)

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    3. Re:Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      those are all gsm phones.
      and none of them are jap phones.
      who cares if anime drooling nerds can enter jap on a american phone.

    4. Re:Actually by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you, sir, do sure have a trollish attitude!

  71. Car MP3 controller... by Cryptnotic · · Score: 1

    This seems like it would be an almost perfect car mp3 PC controller.

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  72. Can you say BlueTooth? by crovira · · Score: 1

    with a USB base to boot.

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  73. carpel tunnel anyone? by Locutus · · Score: 1

    Just because we have opposing thumbs doesn't mean we should use them in silly ways. Can you imagine writting a term paper using only your thumbs? Spreading the task across 10 fingers/thumbs seems to be easier on the body then putting all the task onto one thumb....

    This might be good for mobile phone use but beyond that it seems to be of dubious use. IMO.

    LoB

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  74. Re:I can see why Japan is a better place for this. by uberdave · · Score: 1

    Yes, maybe. But these keyboards don't have thousands of keys. Either they are using an alphabetic equivalent, or are building the desired character out of component keystrokes.

  75. Well... by NavelFozz · · Score: 1
    It'll make certainly make porn surfing a lot easier!


    slipping away

  76. Babelfish: by mlk · · Score: 1

    http://babelfish.altavista.com
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  77. I don't get it by glwtta · · Score: 1
    It's a phone without the phone part. Are they actually suggesting one should use this for typing on their PC? I was under the impression that phone keypads were what you had to settle for on the phone because you can't fit a normal keyboard on there.

    Seems the only point of all these new great innovations in keyboard technologies is to be "different", none of them seem to be even remotely useful. (Except that keyboard with breasts, that thing was just plain ingenious)

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    1. Re:I don't get it by Lazyhound · · Score: 1

      You realize that some people apparently get 200WPM on cell phone keypads, right?

    2. Re:I don't get it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i can't even think at 200 wpm... but then again... i can certainly talk at 200 wpm :)

  78. I can see it now, by Omestes · · Score: 1

    10 years from now, on slashdot, a huge article with teachers bemoaning the fact that "touch typing" has gone the way of cursive.

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  79. Revolutionary! by BMojo · · Score: 1

    This invention has the potential to change society !!! Numbers AND letters on the same button, arranged to resemble a telephone dial pad. You would at first think this is insanely stupid and doomed to failure. I mean cmon, numbers and letters on the same button?!?! Needless to say an invention of this calibre should be immediately reported around the globe.

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  80. The Twiddler. by AltGrendel · · Score: 1
    Got one and love it.

    No, it's not a pr0n joke.

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  81. Not a new thougt by phre4k · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thinkgeek also has a one hand keyboard. Works a bit different though.

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  82. Re:I can see why Japan is a better place for this. by Lazyhound · · Score: 1

    Japanese has a phonetic alphabet as well (two of them, actually).

  83. Wireless Next Step by msheppard · · Score: 1

    Speaking of Wireless being the next step... I have been waiting for a wireless twiddler for almost 5 years now. If the made one, I'd buy it.

    M@

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  84. direct links to images by voya · · Score: 1
    no need to install any language packs to view the webpage:

    http://www.mevael.co.jp/h_images/main_left.jpg

    http://www.mevael.co.jp/h_images/main_left.jpg

  85. interesting technology by Maxhrk · · Score: 1

    my first comment on slashdot whee.. anyway if you use it too much, your thumb go faster and rapidly and in that case you probably being affected on remote for TV, and other? it just a thought i give it out of my own mind. heh. anyway, that all for my first comment. wahoo.

  86. Add 3 buttons by BrookHarty · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see 3 buttons on the side for an advanced mode, so you can type quicker. Also maybe have an option to reprogram the keys for different modes.

    And if it was cheap enough, I could see this as an addon for a pocket pc.

  87. What is it with the Japanese... by Kadagan+AU · · Score: 1

    and these strange input devices?

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  88. But the real question..... by senrik · · Score: 1

    drivers for linux?

    and are they open source?

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  89. I wouldn't worry about that by phelddagrif · · Score: 1

    They'll develop special "thumby" guns that the trigger backwards along with the pistol grip, so they can shoot it like a cell phone.

    Of course that completly stops people from blastin' caps like a gangsta but that's not a bad thing either.

    1. Re:I wouldn't worry about that by lokedhs · · Score: 1

      It will happen! Remember the Star Trek phasers? One again Star Trek proves that it's more than a tv show. It's a time machine!

  90. Computer-Human interface by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    While we are talking about human-computer interfaces, I might as well mention that I've found an ingenious way to masturbate. If I had this Japanese thumb keyboard I could have used it for chatting. Here's my setup:

    * A laptop

    * An optical mouse

    * A wireless network connection

    * A pair of headphones
    * Two still-connected pieces of paper towel

    * a bed

    * a pillow

    * Might need a piece of scotch tape

    So, get yourself all naked, and shove a bic pen up your butt for added stimulation. Lay the pillow on your bed leaning against the wall. Lay down on the bed with your head propped up with the pillow. Lay the laptop on your chest so that the front is almost under your chin. Since you have an optical mouse, you can use it on the bed sheet. If you have the thumbkeyboard, even better. Put on the headphones. Connect the paper towel to the back of the screen by sticking it on the screen latch or using a bit of scotch tape. The paper towel should be long enough to go down to the base of your cock. Now you can wack it while laying down and with the screen in your face without having to worry about making a mess. It's fucking awesome.

    I think I'll be getting myself one of these keyboards.

  91. A BETTER IDEA by msafar · · Score: 1

    Devise a language consisting only of the digits 0 - 9 plus pound and asterisk for punctuation. Sounds like a good project for the Trekkies that dress like Klingons. Or Noam Chomsky maybe. [Boy, have I just offended like at least 25% of the slashdot readership, or what?]

  92. Dvorak Right/left? by gotr00t · · Score: 1
    Have any of ya'll heard of the Dvorak keyboard? The one that supposedly is better than the QWERTY standard layout? Well, it's creator, Dr. August Dvorak, has also created 2 other layouts, the Dvorak Right hand and Dvorak left hand designs. They are designed to allow typing at over 50 WPM with just a single hand.

    Sure, this little gadget might be more stylish, however, you only use one finger to "type", instead of 4. I doubt that you'll be able to type documents using a cellular phone, same for this. For medical use, I would definately recommend the Dvorak right hand or left hand models, for people who have only one functional hand. Here's a link for more information on the 3 Dvorak type keyboards.

  93. Typing Speed in Perspective by mowph · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Typing speed for "keitai" or ultraportable devices (specifically cell phones) in Japan compares surprisingly well with desktop computing.

    The main reason is that... big surprise here now... most of the typing is done in the Japanese language, and not in English. In order to type in Japanese on a QWERTY or other roman-set board, you must generally hit at least two keys per character. So hitting the same phone button two or three times (on average) to produce a character is actually faster than hunting down two separate keys and pushing them in sequence.

    Furthermore, just typing the characters in doesn't mean that you're finished. You must use the "henkan" (character transformation) system. Japanese has many ways to write the same character -- for example, there are over 40 different characters for "ha". Sounds like a nightmare, but henkan systems analyze the grammatical functions of the surrounding characters to automatically generate the most likely intended output. The user must then manually touch up any discrepancies. (In related news, the henkan system is being blamed for destroying the writing ability of young Japanese people.)

    With this additional overhead, raw keystrokes aren't necessarily the biggest factor in Japanese typing speed. Further, modern keitais make use of auto-completion based on words commonly entered by the user. Reports of speeds over 200 wpm aren't unbelievable when a user can enter many words with only two or three buttons! Incidentally, the average word size in Japanese is two kanji or 4 kana characters.

    There is also Japan's miserable history of IT education to consider. A good friend of mine graduated from a pre-business program at her high school which included certification in computing and word processing. She can barely copy and paste. Most of their certification was on "wa-puro" or big word-processing typewriters. Until about 10 years ago, these were the staple in most offices.

    Most Japanese people in their mid-20s were introduced to their own cell phone before they had even laid hands on a real computer! To many Japanese people, their keitai is their most personal and important posession. It's only to be expected that we should see advancements here affecting other technologies.

    A few other points of interest:

    - Japanese people are at home (and able to use their own PC) less than people in most other countries.

    - Cell phones can be cheaper than using land-line phones or public phones in Japan... especially when everyone else only uses cell phones!

    - Cellular internet, which charges per packet instead of by time, is much more economical for e-mail than dial-up.

    - The disaster that is Japanese urban planning, and continuously changing work and social schedules make cell phones a social necessity.

    1. Re:Typing Speed in Perspective by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      I agree that typing in Japanese is way easier than typing in English. I know that I prefer emailing my friends in Japanese than English on my cell phone, and I'm American. ;)

      A few corrections:

      - There are almost 600 kanji with the pronunciation "ha" (my dictionary lists 591.)

      - Cell phone usage and land line usage costs are almost exactly the same.

      - Cellular internet is incredibly expensive. With J-Phone (the second most popular service provider after Docomo), I pay 30 yen per page (about 25 cents US) and downloads are about 200 yen. The reason I didn't go with Docomo is because they charge you 2 yen for every email you receive, solicited or not. You think anti-spam laws in America are an issue. Compare this with my 12Mbps DSL connection at about 2700 yen per month (about $22), and cell phones become the last option for internet service.

      - Most of my Japanese friends are on the computer all the damn time when they're at home, just like everywhere else. I know, because they show up on my chat program. If Japanese are out and about more often, it's because they actually have hobbies outside of the home, or (gasp!) socialize, in contrast to the American habit of sitting at home and vegging out in front of the TV.

      - Japanese urban planning is a disaster, but their transportation system is incredibly efficient. A train running late is about as common as a total lunar eclipse. You can set your clock by them.

      - Cell phones aren't a social necessity here, just really damn convenient, just like everywhere else in the world. If you are suddenly called into a late meeting at work, you can just call home from the phone in the staff room or from your desk; you don't require a cell phone, plus the call is free.

      Cell phones have done more to encourage sloppy scheduling and appointment-keeping than solve it, just as computers have made more work rather than less. :)

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    2. Re:Typing Speed in Perspective by mowph · · Score: 1

      Very good points. Here are a few responses:

      - Cracking a dictionary will reveal hundreds of "ha" kanji, but most of them aren't commonly used. In fact, there are only 2,000 kanji commonly used in newspaper level Japanese.

      - There is one critical difference between cell and land lines -- you must buy the land line from the telco (or someone else), which can cost near $1000 USD. With a keitai you only need to buy the phone, which will cost less than $100 if you're happy with last year's model. Of course, you can sell the line after, but if you're moving around a lot, it's a lot simpler to just own the cell phone.

      - Cell internet is expensive by volume, (ie. web page / porn viewing) but for what is effectively a continuously connected e-mail client that you can put in your pocket, it is very cheap. Spam has been very problematic, especially with Docomo, unless you happened to have an underbar in your name. Recently, you can also use unused talk time to pay for packet use.

      - Work and school hours in Japan tend to be longer. (American workers still work more paid hours, though.) There is also the tradition for the "salaryman" to loiter on his way home. Most grade-school students will be at school until at least 5:00 and often attend cram schools after. Thus the home computer is not so accessible compared to American settings. The default action for "idle time" (waiting for bus, eating McDonald's...) is to whip out your keitai and do your mails. It's that much more convenient to have them all there.

      - Most younger people that I know rely on their cell phones to organize any sort of social gathering. Two of them will run into each other, and then all call / mail other people. Of course, it is still possible to function without one, but like any convenience, it becomes increasingly inconvenient to not use it as it gains popularity.

      - Good point about etiquette -- many people think that cell phones are slowly destroying the morals of young Japanese use as surely as TV did to the last generation.

    3. Re:Typing Speed in Perspective by MidnightBrewer · · Score: 1

      Yeah, to take ikkyuu (level-one Japanese), you have to know the official 2,036 kanji. "Common use" is a misnomer, since they may be very commonly used, just not with the "ha" pronunciation (most kanji have at least two pronunciations, if not more.)

      You don't have to buy your landline nowadays. I rent mine, which works out to costing about as much as a base phone rate in the US. The rental rate is about the same as a keitai rate, so it's not that bad. Also, buying a landline only costs about 70,000 yen, which works out to less than $600. This is in Osaka, too, which is going to be among the top most expensive places to live. You can transfer the line pretty easily, as well, and the Japanese don't move very often. They'd much rather commute an hour-and-a-half rather than move, especially if they live in the countryside (a misnomer if I ever heard one when describing Japan) and work in the city.

      Last year's cell phone model only cost me about 2000 yen, which means $17, and came with a built-in camera. Not a bad deal. New models will run you about $100.

      Again, I am not sure how unlimited bandwidth for about $20 a month is cheaper than paying per message with a keitai. When I relied on my keitai for my sole email provider, before I got my DSL, I was spending about 5000 yen per month for just the email service, and that's without paying for incoming messages.

      Work hours in Japan can be longer, but this is only because the average Japanese office worker has a terrible work ethic. They procrastinate, plain and simple. Also, they waste a lot of times in meetings. You can officially go home at 5pm if you have all your work done, no sweat. Many do.

      School is from 8:30 to 3:30, which is pretty much the same as home. Students will hang around for clubs, but these usually run until 5. I am one of the co-sponsors of my high school's aikido club (yes, I'm a high school teacher.) This is also very similar to the rest of the world.

      Cram schools are usually only once a week or in blocks in the summer, not every night, unless you're a real go-getter. Cram schooling usually starts in late middle school (for the high school entrance exams) and again late in high school; many students simply take a year off after high school and do cram school straight for one year in preparation for the college entrance exams.

      I agree that the keitai is just damn convenient for idle time, though. Most Japanese just bring a book or sleep, though.

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  94. Old News, It's Called a Vibroplex, Invented 1890s by n9fzx · · Score: 4, Interesting
    One-thumb keying devices have been around for more than a century; the Vibroplex company still sells them to ham radio operators.

    Note that the minimum speed on these puppies is 20 words per minute, and trained ops have hit speeds of over 70 wpm. Sometimes with a ham sandwich in the other fist...

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  95. Re:No source? NO SOURCE!? by xutopia · · Score: 1

    same reason we have this SCO scandal! :) LOL

  96. How friggin' stupid!!! by fmaxwell · · Score: 1

    As Japanese teens are so used to typing one another messages on their cellphones, they are now more comfortable with one thumb typing than the old two handed QWERTY. So a Japanese company has come out with a one-thumb keypad that allows a user to enter alphanumberic text and control the mouse with only one thumb.

    Translation: They've become adept at a grossly inefficient means of entering data. So, rather than teach them to touch-type efficiently, some numb-nuts company will make a keypad that lets them continue entering data in the same, stupid, one-thumb way.

    I used to be really good at arcade video games and often got to enter my initials for high score, so I want a keyboard that has three buttons: Left, right, and fire. That makes just about as much sense.

  97. Meaning of "keiboard" by misterplow · · Score: 2, Informative
    This is not a big deal, but non-Japanese speakers won't appreciate the play on words in the naming of the product.

    KEITAI = portable
    DENWA = telephone

    (most people refer to their "keitai denwa" simply as their "keitai")

    So the word "keiboard" is a mix of "keyboard" in the shape of a "keitai"

    Just a little Japanese trivia for ya.

  98. Re:(Chigau!) by d3ut3r0n · · Score: 1

    My Japanese is rusty, but I believe they said your name is stupid.

  99. Two Thumb Texting by tmarsh_work · · Score: 1

    The Czech Republic claims the second highest per capita adoption of mobile phones after Finland (at least those were the stats I saw a year ago), and the cost of talking has resulted in SMSing teens being a common site. I've even seen elderly people on the trams texting someone. You can always tell a pro by the fact that they use both thumbs to nimbly type their messages, and that within a few seconds. It is notable that since I broke my Nokia and now have a flashy Sony-Ericsson, my SMS skills have considerably dropped. The new phone has far too slow and less responsive an OS and isn't as suited to texting as my old Nokia. But there is a lot to say for the old two-thumb method I was able to use on that phone. I could have a complete discourse on esoteric subjects with some one on the level of IM, and in the end spend far less money than I would have had I called the person.

  100. Re:(Chigau!) by sulli · · Score: 1

    Maybe they said ãã®ããfãã (ano wa baka yo), or "that's stupid."

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  101. Retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    After a week of using a keyboard, any sane human can easily type at 10 words per minute. Experienced users can easily do better, even without touch typing. I can type at 40wpm easily, and I don't touch-type. I know touch typists can often type over 80wpm.

    What's the best speed for entering words on a phone (assuming you need to write in a literate fashion, not "I NED 2 C U, I CNT RITE ENGLSH NE MORE")? I'm willing to bet it's not even approaching 20 wpm. Predictive text can and should be ignored - it's fine for quick messages, but for any real work it would be so much hassle fixing up the mistakes any speed benefit would be negated.

    1. Re:Retarded by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      WORD! MOD PARENT WAYYYY UP!

      That POS IS retarted. So is text messenging on mobile phones.

  102. An alternate, no external hardware. by DMUTPeregrine · · Score: 1

    http://www.exideas.com/ has a nice system for pdas. it's friggin fast.

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  103. japanese typing by AndyChrist · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Most japanese people I knew were really slow typists. Consider that they have to slow down every other word or so to select a kanji...I can type about as fast as most japanese in japanese, and I only speak it at about a 3rd grade level. (My speed at everything BUT selecting kanji makes up for it I think)

    Anyhow, I can't imagine something like that catching on with people who regularly type in languages that are easier to type, like english.

    1. Re:japanese typing by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      very true, at best they'd have kanji auto fill-in... but still doesn't necessarily select the correct one so you need to edit.. kinda like office correcting me when i spell something wrong on purpose so i have to go back and do it again :) easier to just type in hiragana completely... but obviously can't use that for anything professional, and most japanese i know can't read straight hiragana very quickly either... so it's lose lose. english > japanese... although learning to pronounce words in japanese is soooooooooo much better. i mean, one phonetic character only making one sound... GENIUS! instead we have our screwed up "phonetic" language where each vowel (and combination) can be randomly read a dozen different ways. it's a wonder any of us can spell anything at all... oh wait, i'm on slashdot... we can't spell anything...

  104. Re:I can see why Japan is a better place for this. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    had to add this. there are 3 distinct writings in japanese. they have their own, original 2 methods which have different characters, but make the same sounds (one is for foreign words, the other is for native words) and then they adopted a TON of chinese characters (one picture = one word) but for the most part, their language is phonetic except for the adopted words from chinese. they are using english now a little more... but still usually translate it into their alphabet (thus slaughtering our words). regardless, their 2 phonetic systems have 46 characters roughly (some letters have fallen out of use over the years). as far as chinese goes anyway, they have adopted a phonetic type system of writing as well to help people read characters they don't know how to pronounce, so they don't need to have thousands upon thousands of keys. if you think about it, that means they can operate with roughly the same number of letters as we do. if you have ever played an older RPG game and you had to "name your character" you would usually be taken to a large screen that was split in half. left side was upper case, right side was lower case. in addition, we would add numbers and odd punctuation marks (anybody ever named their dude $h8R or something??) this is because originally the left side was populated with the hiragana characters (native phonetic language) and the right side used katakana (foreign phonetic language). now you know, and knowing is half the battle...

  105. check out MessageEase by kpfleger · · Score: 1

    MessageEase a soft keyboard for PDAs (think Fitaly but better) is designed also to be a full alphanumeric cell-phone keyboard, using the normal 12 buttons. It's well worth a look. Be sure to check out the white paper, which describes the philosophy and compares it with other input methods. Supposedly you can get 30WPM input speeds.

    There is also a Yahoo user group with good, fast support from the engineer who created this.

    -Karl (not associated with company or product except as a user who was impressed with the white paper and thought this was better than anything else currently out there for input to small devices)

  106. Wrong End of the Solution by RoninM · · Score: 1
    We could make do with today's keyboard if we just invent a USB-powered Habile User Madefying Motorized Effleurage Rod device.

    Imagine the millions of geeks able to surf pr0n with two hands on the keyboard in the near future! Or better, yet, don't. It's a rather distressing image.

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  107. There goes... by yanbusa · · Score: 1

    The Japenese written language. Half the Americans can't even write in cursive thanks to the keyboard.

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  108. how to hitchhike? by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    With an electronic thumb! It's the only way to hitch hike. Provided suitable transportation comes your way in time.

    1. Re:how to hitchhike? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      dont forget to bring a towel

  109. actually by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    that would be a sound mechanical design if you could hold it steady enough not to break or dislocate the thumb on recoil. I mean, having the trigger and the sear incorporated or connected by a shorter linkage positioned just under the hammer could possibly be a more robust design.

    then again IANAGS so I have no idea about making or designing guns.

  110. Nah by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    I think that it's those sexy thumb users getting all the hot dates and then raising five screaming thumbmutants out in the countryside where you can get away from draconian population control laws by proving that you need the kids for agricultural labour.

    Hmmm. Maybe John Deere should start making thumb-tractors...

    eewwwww! country thumbsex....

  111. At the pharmacist by nounderscores · · Score: 1

    You can buy one of those squeeze bulb syringes and fill it with warm salty water to clear out your nasal passages. It's gross but really effective. and it uses your thumbs!

    Thumb users will be fine so long as there is enough technology to support their rubber hungry ways.

  112. What's the sound... by batlock · · Score: 1

    of one thumb typing?

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  113. Devolved keyboard it is by Jarth · · Score: 1

    Since it is not wireless ...

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  114. Also by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Don't disregard the asymmetric results unbalanced use of hands may have on your physical appearance.

  115. This would be so useful while driving by theBunkinator · · Score: 1

    This would be so useful while driving ... since I'm holding the cell phone with the other hand

  116. Re:(Chigau!) by kahei · · Score: 1

    Maybe everyone in this thread has confused 'ano', which takes a noun after it, with 'are', which doesn't. In any case, 'sore' would have been better.

    Whenever I hear/read American anime bunnies trying to speak Japanese, I feel ill. But then I hear a few arrogant twit Japanese fashion victims trying to speak English, and suddenly the anime bunnies don't sound so bad.

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  117. Of course there's a pink one! by rnws · · Score: 1

    And in about 7.2 seconds there will be a Hello Kitty face on it too...

  118. Not only in Japan! by znowayin · · Score: 1

    There's actually a girl in my class who types faster on her cell phone than with a keyboard. Wonder if it includes a T9 dictionary or something like that, otherwise it'd be pretty useless...

  119. Bah... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I use my cell all the time to send message, and am comfortable with it, but there is no way I'm ever going to give up a real keyboard to a numberpad! It is simply impossible to type as fast when you have to hit the same key 3 times to produce the letter you want (or more if you use accented characters, or punctuation...) My PDA recognised handwriting, and I can scribble notes into it quickly as well, but even that, I'm not sure I want to use over a keyboard.

  120. still doesn't beat Fastap Keyboard by superflippy · · Score: 1

    The Fastap Keyboard is still the best mobile keyboard I've seen to date, in that it fixes the problem of having to hit a number key repeatedly to get a letter, and is accurate even when typing with one fat finger. I've decided that I'm not buying a new mobile device (phone or PDA) until someone comes out with one that uses this keyboard.

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  121. I stand corrected. by sulli · · Score: 1

    It's been a while since I've been in Japan. My bad.

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  122. Frogpad by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try out Frogpad www.frogpad.com. I can type at 40 words per minute with mine with one hand and it only took a few hours of training. It blows the hell out of those thumpads. I don't know what those guys in Japan are thinking.

  123. English spelling by AndyChrist · · Score: 1

    English spelling is NOT random. It may not all follow one pattern, but very few words do not follow A pattern among A group of words. It's complex, sure, but if you can make a guess at where a word came from, and you know under what conditions a vowel will make which sound, you can be almost certain to spell a word correctly. It isn't as simple as the "long vowel short vowel silent vowel" stuff I got in 2nd grade (if it were, people would be able to spell) but it is NOT hard.

    English IS phonetic, by way of a complex system of heuristics.