See subject line. IF the MS team working on this project "respects" the concept that (most) Perl programs should be able to (pretty much) run on either Win32 or *nix...IF they don't try to make key parts of the core Win32 Perl package MS property...IF all they are doing is adding functionality that exists in *nix versions of Perl that currently does not in Win32 versions....and IF, as it appears, they are trying to help make it compatible with this Win2000 thing....
Then hopefully this is a good thing.
The problem will be if they try to subvert it into "WinPerl" by adding tons of amazing new functionalities and properties that are propietary to MS and closed. I haven't got a problem with adding functionality to Perl for Win32 that takes advantage of OS features. As long as it stays open. As it is, the *nix version of Perl has this edge with all of it's *nix functionality built in.
The simple fact is there are differences between the two OS's that limit usage of a lot of Perl programs between platforms, and if this fixes it, great. Maybe we'll see more *programs* being written in Perl, Tcl/Tk, etc. etc. for Windows.
OK. Jon makes some valid points about the whole Star Wars Saga(tm) and it's deep meanings, it's effect on us all, and for that I'll give him a little credit....
Mr. Lucas himself has stated several times that Lucasfilm *itself* has purposely kept the hype down to a minimum, on *their* end. And I would tend to agree that there could have been a LOT more hype. I don't think the hype surrounding this movie has been any worse than that accompanying, say, "Jurassic Park" or "Toy Story" or even "The Flintstones" a few years ago. The difference being that they all faded away into oblivion, whereas Star Wars will be remembered for years to come.
Now, back to the hype. The licensees and the news shows are the ones creating most of the hype out there. What have we seen from LFL? A couple of trailers, a few low-key, and sparsely played TV spots, and a music video. Meanwhile, Hasbro has saturated the Toy Stores, the Pizza/Taco/KFC trinity is lambasting us w/ their stuff....blame them, if you're going to blame anyone.
And re: the fans and their 'droid'like tendencies to worship rather than expand Star Wars in their own ways....There *are* plenty of fan-written chapters out there, have been for years. There is fan-art aplenty....etc, etc. And after all, why mess with perfection?
This ripping-on-the-fans stuff in the media as of late is getting old real fast. Now you've joined those ranks me friend.
Alright, I've stayed out of the Katz-flaming to date, but this one takes the f*cking cake.
Katz, in short, WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
How can you possibly put the previous Star Wars films up on some kind of holy pedestal, seemingly oblivious to any sort of "hype"...
Where WERE you 18 years ago, my friend? Were you on some far flung corner of the MOON? Were you not present for the many Burger King Glasses, the infinite toys, the Star Wars Popsicles, the T-shirts...WHERE WERE YOU?
This is NOTHING new!!!! Go find Mr. Peabody and jump in the old wayback machine to circa '79 or '80 when the hype was in full force. Hell I was only 8 or so then, and *I* remember it being all-consuming. It so consumed the passions of this entire country that the 'product' was in demand enough to warrant said 'product.'
This article is nothing but pure, sheer ignorance and inflammability, whether on purpose or out of true ignorance, I can't say. Sure you're right about SW being the 'modern myth' yadda yadda boom boom...and I agree fully.
BUT...don't try to tell George about how his artistic integrity is somehow violated because there are action figures and coloring books w/ his movies' marque on them. He'll be the first to tell you, while yes it is a modern myth, etc. etc., it's also just a Saturday afternoon serial....
The 'telescoping saber' figures were extremely short lived, and had _another_ extension coming out of the tip of the first extension. The standard 'extending saber' is common as dirt.
The reason a lot of the items from ~20 years ago are worth so much is simple. Nobody really knew that SW would be the craze it would become. Thus the *early* items (i.e. the 12-back figs, earlybird kit, etc.) of which most were ripped open by kids, are worth the most. ($500+) Whereas the ROTJ carded figures, which everybody started hoarding in anticipation, can be easily had for $10-$15. There are exceptions, such as the POTF line, which was at the end and really saw a limited release, are even now DEcreasing in value from what they were a few years ago.
Fast forward 20 years, and everyone and there brother is sitting on a stash of Episode I figures, are they going to be valuable? NO. Because everybody has 'em.
Go spend your time and money tracking down those early 12-backs, etc. That's where the investment potential is in Star Wars toys. Don't even think that your $7 investment today will turn into a $800 payoff in 20 years.
Or hell, just buy stock in the latest internet IPO, wait 5 hours, and sell.
Toys should not be investments!
And as an aside: Anyone griping about the commercialization needs to be stuffed in a time machine and sent back to about ~1979 or so. When Star Wars is branded on dog food, yogurt, and underpants....
>The "State" is defined as an organization that >has the monopoly of the usage of violence, >which can be used to defend the society against >domestic as well as foreign aggressions.
Or, as we are seeing in a certain former home of the Yugo, the complete monopoly to inflict violence, which can be used to dominate and destroy their own society in the face of domestic as well as foreign resistance.
>Why the hell should individuals be allowed to >possess and carry objects whose only purpose >is to kill other people ?
See above. Kosovo is a prime f*cking example of what can happen. If every household in Kosovo had a gun, if every township could band their people together with said guns and put up a fight they might have been able to defend themselves. This very reason is *why* we 'merkins have this slowly disappearing right to keep arms.
Of course with that freedom comes immense responsibility, which we're sorely lacking in this country. Responsibility for your guns, your kids, while driving, while drinking, while doing anything. America is losing that. We just blame it on something else. Which is what we're seeing yet again.
>I really hope that you americans will soon >understand how senseless this tradition is.
It's pretty easy for you across the pond to sit there and yell "Ay! If you dinna have no guns, dis no happen!" Meanwhile you've got mega mega problems of your own that we can sit over here and tell you how easy it would be to fix them. Dunblane, car bombs, the IRA, that whole serbian shithole mess, etc. etc. etc. We're all the same.
Doesn't matter where you live or what laws you have or don't have. Human nature will still bend you over and give it to you long and hard when and where you least expect it.
Well, this is exactly the type of thing RH needs to hear before they make it the official 6.0 release. Tell 'em "YOU FORGOT THIS! DUH!" and they may just go, "oh YEAH! What were we thinking?" And put it in there.
Who knows, there may be a legit reason it's not there. Put DOOM Back in! Put DOOM Back in! *snicker*
Commercial IT people are, generally speaking, a bunch of clueless half-wits whose credentials are a business school MIS degree and a piece of paper saying they passed their CNA test.
A command line to these folks is like showing them something written in Chinese (unless you happen to read Chinese...) They live by their point n click "zero-admin" tools, auto-run CD's, and couldn't code a simple binary search algorithm in old MS-BASIC.
Speaking from experience, I've had to explain to heads of IT deptartments that a "server" is not a $10000 computer, but a stupid little IP-aware program.
They live off buzzwords like "deployment" "business-critical" "infrastructure" and can't install a screensaver without it first having to go through the corporate software evalution procedure.
If they'd quit kneeling and kow-towing at the throne of Mr. Gate's Empire, listening to the latest marketing PR as if it were the gospel....
The truth is, if they'd install tools that basically run themselves once set up properly (i.e. Linux) they'd all be out of jobs. Bob the rebooter would have to go back to the mail-room.
Yeah but then, unfortunately, he'd probably have to go after *all* of the other sites which use linux in the domain name. Otherwise they'd probably toss the case out onto the street, saying he hasn't enforced it in the past....
I guess I burned out on the whole multi-player thing waaaay back in the glory days of the MUD. It *is* addictive (3 days of no sleep in front of a VAX terminal....)
So long as it doesn't resemble MK like the article says....
Hate to say it, but *come on* Like it or not, military technological advancements are responsible for a great deal of the technology we take for granted.
This *could* lead to stuff like wireless power transmission, advances in scientific lab equipment, and eventually, someone will invent or perfect a technology impervious to these weapons. Yeah it sucks that they can be used to hurt, maim, destroy, and kill, but doing that's the easy part.
Once they figure out how to put this to good (as in moral or even a-moral) use, that's where the fun begins.
V-2 Rockets----*time*---->Moon Landings Atom Bomb ----*time*---->Nuclear power Military Radar ---*time*---> Microwave oven ARPANet ---*time*---> The Internet
It's the nature of the beast.
And no I don't believe they "forget" what their product does to people. *Military* weapons have but one purpose....they understand or they wouldn't be working for the DOD or
Slashdot Mirror
See subject line.
IF the MS team working on this project "respects" the concept that (most) Perl programs should be able to (pretty much) run on either Win32 or *nix...IF they don't try to make key parts of the core Win32 Perl package MS property...IF all they are doing is adding functionality that exists in *nix versions of Perl that currently does not in Win32 versions....and IF, as it appears, they are trying to help make it compatible with this Win2000 thing....
Then hopefully this is a good thing.
The problem will be if they try to subvert it into "WinPerl" by adding tons of amazing new functionalities and properties that are propietary to MS and closed. I haven't got a problem with adding functionality to Perl for Win32 that takes advantage of OS features. As long as it stays open. As it is, the *nix version of Perl has this edge with all of it's *nix functionality built in.
The simple fact is there are differences between the two OS's that limit usage of a lot of Perl programs between platforms, and if this fixes it, great. Maybe we'll see more *programs* being written in Perl, Tcl/Tk, etc. etc. for Windows.
OK. Jon makes some valid points about the whole Star Wars Saga(tm) and it's deep meanings, it's effect on us all, and for that I'll give him a little credit....
Mr. Lucas himself has stated several times that Lucasfilm *itself* has purposely kept the hype down to a minimum, on *their* end. And I would tend to agree that there could have been a LOT more hype. I don't think the hype surrounding this movie has been any worse than that accompanying, say, "Jurassic Park" or "Toy Story" or even "The Flintstones" a few years ago. The difference being that they all faded away into oblivion, whereas Star Wars will be remembered for years to come.
Now, back to the hype. The licensees and the news shows are the ones creating most of the hype out there. What have we seen from LFL? A couple of trailers, a few low-key, and sparsely played TV spots, and a music video. Meanwhile, Hasbro has saturated the Toy Stores, the Pizza/Taco/KFC trinity is lambasting us w/ their stuff....blame them, if you're going to blame anyone.
And re: the fans and their 'droid'like tendencies to worship rather than expand Star Wars in their own ways....There *are* plenty of fan-written chapters out there, have been for years. There is fan-art aplenty....etc, etc. And after all, why mess with perfection?
This ripping-on-the-fans stuff in the media as of late is getting old real fast. Now you've joined those ranks me friend.
Alright, I've stayed out of the Katz-flaming to date, but this one takes the f*cking cake.
Katz, in short,
WHAT THE HELL ARE YOU TALKING ABOUT?
How can you possibly put the previous Star Wars films up on some kind of holy pedestal, seemingly oblivious to any sort of "hype"...
Where WERE you 18 years ago, my friend? Were you on some far flung corner of the MOON? Were you not present for the many Burger King Glasses, the infinite toys, the Star Wars Popsicles, the T-shirts...WHERE WERE YOU?
This is NOTHING new!!!! Go find Mr. Peabody and jump in the old wayback machine to circa '79 or '80 when the hype was in full force. Hell I was only 8 or so then, and *I* remember it being all-consuming. It so consumed the passions of this entire country that the 'product' was in demand enough to warrant said 'product.'
This article is nothing but pure, sheer ignorance and inflammability, whether on purpose or out of true ignorance, I can't say. Sure you're right about SW being the 'modern myth' yadda yadda boom boom...and I agree fully.
BUT...don't try to tell George about how his artistic integrity is somehow violated because there are action figures and coloring books w/ his movies' marque on them. He'll be the first to tell you, while yes it is a modern myth, etc. etc., it's also just a Saturday afternoon serial....
....And every kid wants his Red-Ryder BB gun....
No, you probably *didn't* have both of those.
The 'telescoping saber' figures were extremely short lived, and had _another_ extension coming out of the tip of the first extension. The standard 'extending saber' is common as dirt.
go see http://www.toysrgus.com
The reason a lot of the items from ~20 years ago are worth so much is simple. Nobody really knew that SW would be the craze it would become. Thus the *early* items (i.e. the 12-back figs, earlybird kit, etc.) of which most were ripped open by kids, are worth the most. ($500+) Whereas the ROTJ carded figures, which everybody started hoarding in anticipation, can be easily had for $10-$15. There are exceptions, such as the POTF line, which was at the end and really saw a limited release, are even now DEcreasing in value from what they were a few years ago.
Fast forward 20 years, and everyone and there brother is sitting on a stash of Episode I figures, are they going to be valuable? NO. Because everybody has 'em.
Go spend your time and money tracking down those early 12-backs, etc. That's where the investment potential is in Star Wars toys. Don't even think that your $7 investment today will turn into a $800 payoff in 20 years.
Or hell, just buy stock in the latest internet IPO, wait 5 hours, and sell.
Toys should not be investments!
And as an aside: Anyone griping about the commercialization needs to be stuffed in a time machine and sent back to about ~1979 or so. When Star Wars is branded on dog food, yogurt, and underpants....
Or just wait a few months for the 7100 to appear, it'll have the same capability as the replay-type units, and a built-in webtv (crud!) unit.
Or hope that they'll actually sell the PCI reciever card as a separate unit....
>The "State" is defined as an organization that
>has the monopoly of the usage of violence,
>which can be used to defend the society against
>domestic as well as foreign aggressions.
Or, as we are seeing in a certain former home of the Yugo, the complete monopoly to inflict violence, which can be used to dominate and destroy their own society in the face of domestic as well as foreign resistance.
>Why the hell should individuals be allowed to
>possess and carry objects whose only purpose
>is to kill other people ?
See above. Kosovo is a prime f*cking example of what can happen. If every household in Kosovo had a gun, if every township could band their people together with said guns and put up a fight they might have been able to defend themselves. This very reason is *why* we 'merkins have this slowly disappearing right to keep arms.
Of course with that freedom comes immense responsibility, which we're sorely lacking in this country. Responsibility for your guns, your kids, while driving, while drinking, while doing anything. America is losing that. We just blame it on something else. Which is what we're seeing yet again.
>I really hope that you americans will soon
>understand how senseless this tradition is.
It's pretty easy for you across the pond to sit there and yell "Ay! If you dinna have no guns, dis no happen!" Meanwhile you've got mega mega problems of your own that we can sit over here and tell you how easy it would be to fix them. Dunblane, car bombs, the IRA, that whole serbian shithole mess, etc. etc. etc. We're all the same.
Doesn't matter where you live or what laws you have or don't have. Human nature will still bend you over and give it to you long and hard when and where you least expect it.
I once ate a whole bunch of dots
I got real sick
Then I ate a strawberry, and wondered where in the $@^$ my 500 points went. Same with the peach.
AND THOSE GODDAMN GHOSTS STILL CHASE ME TO THIS DAY!!!
COME ON BLINKY! I GOT YOUR POWER PILL RIGHT HERE!!!
Well, this is exactly the type of thing
RH needs to hear before they make it the official 6.0 release. Tell 'em "YOU FORGOT THIS! DUH!" and they may just go, "oh YEAH! What were we thinking?" And put it in there.
Who knows, there may be a legit reason it's not there.
Put DOOM Back in! Put DOOM Back in! *snicker*
Since the last one was Apollo?
Anyone? Anyone? Beuller?
Watch 6.0 be Boomer or Adama or something.
Commercial IT people are, generally speaking, a bunch of clueless half-wits whose credentials are a business school MIS degree and a piece of paper saying they passed their CNA test.
A command line to these folks is like showing them something written in Chinese (unless you happen to read Chinese...) They live by their point n click "zero-admin" tools, auto-run CD's, and couldn't code a simple binary search algorithm in old MS-BASIC.
Speaking from experience, I've had to explain to heads of IT deptartments that a "server" is not a $10000 computer, but a stupid little IP-aware program.
They live off buzzwords like "deployment" "business-critical" "infrastructure" and can't install a screensaver without it first having to go through the corporate software evalution procedure.
If they'd quit kneeling and kow-towing at the throne of Mr. Gate's Empire, listening to the latest marketing PR as if it were the gospel....
The truth is, if they'd install tools that basically run themselves once set up properly (i.e. Linux) they'd all be out of jobs. Bob the rebooter would have to go back to the mail-room.
Corporate BS vs. Common Sense.
This one isn't /.'d yet.
That you dweebs get such hard-ons for a f**cking OS KERNEL????
That you dweebs get such hard-ons for a f**CKING BASKETBALL GAME????
That you dweebs get such hard-ons for a f**cking VIDEO GAME???
Eh, WTF do I care.
It's cool as shit.
menace00.mov?
Isn't that the purple-screened menace from
the official site...
from the A version!!
geez!
Yeah but then, unfortunately, he'd probably have to go after *all* of the other sites which use linux in the domain name. Otherwise they'd probably toss the case out onto the street, saying he hasn't enforced it in the past....
etc. etc. etc.
Botz...
Well, I guess it might be OK.
I guess I burned out on the whole multi-player thing waaaay back in the glory days of the MUD.
It *is* addictive (3 days of no sleep in front of a VAX terminal....)
So long as it doesn't resemble MK like the article says....
I'd really like to run out and buy this
the second it gets put on the shelf...
BUT....
Am I the only one who really wishes they'd
re-think this "multi-player only" strategy,
and release a single-player set of levels with it?
I'm not into the multi-player thing that much, but
I'll sit in front of my screen for hours blowing away Strogg by my lonesome...
When RL allows that is....
Hate to say it, but *come on*
Like it or not, military technological advancements are responsible for a great deal of the technology we take for granted.
This *could* lead to stuff like wireless power transmission, advances in scientific lab equipment, and eventually, someone will invent or perfect a technology impervious to these weapons. Yeah it sucks that they can be used to hurt, maim, destroy, and kill, but doing that's the easy part.
Once they figure out how to put this to good (as in moral or even a-moral) use, that's where the fun begins.
V-2 Rockets----*time*---->Moon Landings
Atom Bomb ----*time*---->Nuclear power
Military Radar ---*time*---> Microwave oven
ARPANet ---*time*---> The Internet
It's the nature of the beast.
And no I don't believe they "forget" what their product does to people. *Military* weapons have but one purpose....they understand or they wouldn't be working for the DOD or
Ditto slothbait's
I d'ld the ISO for this 'round about Monday or so.
Used a bunch of the RPMS to upgrade parts of my
RH 5.2 setup.
Although trying to implement the 2.2.1 kernel
included *still* broke something....so how *do* I fix the undefined __bzero thing anyway!!!