Not neccessarily. RHEL3 is based on 9 and RedHat also distribute upgraded packages for RHEL3 in the (convenient) form of source RPMS. A server running RHEL3 could create binary RPMS's to keep a RH9 box running beyond its "sell by date." Same applies to RH 7.2 which is based on RHEL 2.1 and will still be supported after December 2003
Read the Red Hat Enterprise Rebuild Mini Howto:
http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/r he l-rebuild.htm
I think some of this is attributable to the rise of the "dedicated server" market. When I took over the running of our servers which were at a uk server farm a few years ago , I found one was running an vulnerable version of bind, one was an open relay, and two others were running unneccessary anon ftp services. So much for a "managed" contract.
But they had a few thousand over boxen to maintain. Its the "rackshack" one person hosting co that maybe needs educating. (or possibly assumes the farm will do all the updates?).
Maintaining large numbers of machines should be easier with Red Hat Network etc... can even be run from cron or use RHN to push the updates to the server.
I have purchased 2 Dells from you in the past and now wish to purchase several of the above machines, but I wish to order it without a Microsoft Operating System
I will be installing Red Hat Linux 7.3, so I do not want to be forced to buy a copy of MS Windows which I don't need.
Is it still possible to buy a dell desktop in the UK without Window pre-installed?
Hi Paul,
Please note that all Dell machines have to be built with a Microsoft Operating system as we test and validate them in the factory with the operating system.
Hi Paul,
In relation to your below e-mail, if you buy the machine from Dell, and proceed to take the Operating system off your machine and put another operating sytem on the machine, you will lose your warranty as we will only support what we supply. In relation to obtaining a refund from Microsoft, we would not be able to help you on that, as you would have to deal with Microsoft on that, and Dell could not advise you whether you could get a refund or not.
Kind Regards Dell Outlet
SO as far as UK Dell are concerned no refund on the OS licence and removing Windows will invalidate the warranty
We are pleased to announce the hard-line strategy of the Union-led volunteers at Ebone in Belgium appears to have finally reaped rewards. Sufficient funds have been provided to maintain operations throughout Europe. This vital capital will be used to cover operational costs for 2 weeks. This includes the salaries for 200 people, of which 40 people will be from the Belgian Operations Centre. During this time, we are very confident of reaching a positive outcome to the negotiations which are continuing to find a buyer for the Ebone network.
It can therefore be confirmed that the now passed deadline of 17.00 C.E.T. for a network shutdown, will not be executed.
A further press release will follow in due course.
Employees of Ebone, with their Unions
Resp.editors. Henri Jean Ruttiens, secretary BBTK Setca
We will see more Hybrids over the next ten years or so as the oil problem hasn't gone away and as supplies dwindle is likely to become poorer in quality. Pure electric cars are not pollution free. They only shift the environment problem to some huge nuclear or oil powered facility elsewhere.
My father (who is now retired in France) worked on a number of Hybrid Vehicles about 15 years ago. A number of projects were built inluding a lightweight terrapin racing car, a hybrid based on the popular "Nova" kit car (if you dont know what these look like, one features in the film Cannonball Run II). Also a Hybrid Vehicle bus was built for the Manchester Passenger Executive. This eventially resulted in an EEC initiative to built a number of Hybrid Vans for local authorities based on the popular FWD Ford Escort mk III of the time. I dont know what happened to this project.
Some of these early projects were let down slightly by the lack of availability of small efficient petrol engines but this has probably changed now but they were also powered by highly efficient lightweight permanent magnet disc motors which offered performance improvements over the heavy "milk float" motors being used in the electric vehicles of the time.
Last time I checked the official uk gov web site Hybrid Vehicles made no mention of these developments, only those of Japanese and American manufacturers.
Sage does accounting and payroll software. This is more company financial software than personal but still its a step in the right direction:
- From the press release:-
Sage said it would start to offer the Linux platform globally in three months time for its most comprehensive product Line 500, which lets medium-sized businesses run their finance, distribution, manufacturing and service operations.
"Linux is becoming very important to the business community, which is why we've taken the decision to support it," said Sage's UK managing director Graham Wylie in a statement.
I read on CNN or somewhere that Microsoft had enough cash now ($43b) to build 20 space shuttles. Well that ought to be the punishment! Make them build 20 shuttles and get us to Mars. Though I wouldn't want to fly in ne shuttle running any NT software;o) Give me those 60's Apollo computers any day over 'doze
Ok I don't know what the hardware requirements are to run OO, but strikes some business types could knock out pre installed linux pc's with Open Office already installed on second user equipment for little more than the cost of the Microsoft Office 'tax.' I'm sure stuff like this really sell Linux to joe public now...
Our Microsoft obsessed UK Government thought it had a good deal getting MS to create their e-commerce portal. Now local government and various departments will *have* to buy MS Servers.
See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25003.html
Slashdot Mirror
Not neccessarily. RHEL3 is based on 9 and RedHat also distribute upgraded packages for RHEL3 in the (convenient) form of source RPMS. A server running RHEL3 could create binary RPMS's to keep
r he l-rebuild.htm
a RH9 box running beyond its "sell by date." Same applies to RH 7.2 which is based on RHEL 2.1 and will still be supported after December 2003
Read the Red Hat Enterprise Rebuild Mini Howto:
http://www2.uibk.ac.at/zid/software/unix/linux/
I think some of this is attributable to the rise of the "dedicated server" market. When I took over the running of our servers
... can even be run from cron or use RHN to push the updates to the server.
which were at a uk server farm a few years ago , I found one was running an vulnerable version of bind, one was an open relay, and two others were running unneccessary anon ftp services. So much for a "managed" contract.
But they had a few thousand over boxen to maintain. Its the "rackshack" one person hosting co that maybe needs educating. (or possibly assumes the farm will do all the updates?).
Maintaining large numbers of machines should be easier with Red Hat Network etc
yeh but how long before someone boots linux on one!
--Paul
This is my recent experience with Dell UK:
Hi
I have purchased 2 Dells from you in the past and now wish to purchase
several of the above machines, but I
wish to order it without a Microsoft Operating System
I will be installing Red Hat Linux 7.3, so I do not want to be forced to
buy a copy of MS Windows which I
don't need.
Is it still possible to buy a dell desktop in the UK without Window
pre-installed?
Hi Paul,
Please note that all Dell machines have to be built with a Microsoft
Operating system as we test and validate them in the factory with the
operating system.
Hi Paul,
In relation to your below e-mail, if you buy the machine from Dell, and
proceed to take the Operating system off your machine and put another
operating sytem on the machine, you will lose your warranty as we will only
support what we supply. In relation to obtaining a refund from Microsoft,
we would not be able to help you on that, as you would have to deal with
Microsoft on that, and Dell could not advise you whether you could get a
refund or not.
Kind Regards
Dell Outlet
SO as far as UK Dell are concerned no refund on the OS licence and removing Windows will invalidate the warranty
This caused a great deal of embarrassment for our brown nosing Microsoft led government.
The UK Gov does seem to be looking again at Open Source. No doubt this will lead to frantic meetings between Bill and
Tony!
PRESS RELEASE
We are pleased to announce the hard-line strategy of the Union-led volunteers at Ebone in Belgium appears to have finally reaped rewards. Sufficient funds have been provided to maintain operations throughout Europe. This vital capital will be used to cover operational costs for 2 weeks. This includes the salaries for 200 people, of which 40 people will be from the Belgian Operations Centre. During this time, we are very confident of reaching a positive outcome to the negotiations which are continuing to find a buyer for the Ebone network.
It can therefore be confirmed that the now passed deadline of 17.00 C.E.T. for a network shutdown, will not be executed.
A further press release will follow in due course.
Employees of Ebone, with their Unions
Resp.editors. Henri Jean Ruttiens, secretary BBTK Setca
We will see more Hybrids over the next ten years or so as the oil problem hasn't gone away and as supplies dwindle is likely to become poorer in quality. Pure electric cars are not pollution free. They only shift the environment problem to some huge nuclear or oil powered facility elsewhere.
My father (who is now retired in France) worked on a number of Hybrid Vehicles about 15 years
ago. A number of projects were built inluding a lightweight terrapin racing car, a hybrid based on the popular "Nova" kit car (if you dont know what these look like, one features in the film Cannonball
Run II). Also a Hybrid Vehicle bus was built for the Manchester Passenger Executive. This eventially resulted in an EEC initiative to built
a number of Hybrid Vans for local authorities based on the popular FWD Ford Escort mk III of the time. I dont know what happened to this project.
Some of these early projects were let down slightly by the lack of availability of small efficient petrol engines but this has probably changed now but they were also powered by highly efficient lightweight permanent magnet
disc motors which offered performance improvements
over the heavy "milk float" motors being used in the electric vehicles of the time.
Last time I checked the official uk gov web site Hybrid Vehicles made no mention of these developments, only those of Japanese and American manufacturers.
Sage does accounting and payroll software. This is more company financial software than personal but still its a step in the right direction:
- From the press release:-
Sage said it would start to offer the Linux platform globally in three months
time for its most comprehensive product Line 500, which lets medium-sized
businesses run their finance, distribution, manufacturing and service
operations.
"Linux is becoming very important to the business community, which is why
we've taken the decision to support it," said Sage's UK managing director
Graham Wylie in a statement.
News story is linked from linuxtoday.com
I read on CNN or somewhere that Microsoft had enough ;o) Give me those 60's Apollo computers any day over 'doze
j /c ompessay.htm
cash now ($43b) to build 20 space shuttles. Well
that ought to be the punishment! Make them build 20
shuttles and get us to Mars. Though I wouldn't want
to fly in ne shuttle running any NT software
http://www.hq.nasa.gov/office/pao/History/ap15f
Ok I don't know what the hardware requirements are to run OO, but strikes some business types could knock out
pre installed linux pc's with Open Office already installed on second user equipment for little more than the cost of the Microsoft Office 'tax.' I'm sure stuff like this really sell Linux to joe public now...
See http://www.pacefreetoview.co.uk/
MS are welcome to ITV Digital!
Our Microsoft obsessed UK Government thought it had a good deal .
getting MS to create their e-commerce portal. Now local government and various departments will *have* to buy MS Servers
See http://www.theregister.co.uk/content/4/25003.html