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OpenOffice.org Team Releases Version 1.0

DenialS writes: "Congratulations to the OpenOffice.org team! Version 1.0 of the open office suite has been released. I'm downloading it now; I've had good luck with the previous stable builds. Release notes haven't been posted yet, so I can't say what the major differences are between 1.0 and the previous stable build, 641d, but I'm looking forware to finding out!"

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  1. Its *not* written in java. by caolan · · Score: 1, Troll

    And for the record is is *not* written in java ok :-)

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    1. Re:Its *not* written in java. by A_Non_Moose · · Score: 1, Funny

      shouldn't that be "is is not not"?

      sorry, could not resist.

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    2. Re:Its *not* written in java. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what does that mean?

      sorry, english is not my first language.

    3. Re:Its *not* written in java. by Vern196 · · Score: 2, Funny

      It just seems that way because it's so slow

    4. Re:Its *not* written in java. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not to worry.

      The poster wrote "is is *not*. Most native speakers in any language would not notice the verb repetition. One's brain tends to automatically screen that out.

    5. Re:Its *not* written in java. by jeffy124 · · Score: 0, Redundant

      your point? it dont matter what the tool is written in, what matters is does it work. oh, maybe you're one of those anti-Java nutcases taht still think Java's slow as molasses. HEre's why you think that: JRE 1.1 was a pos in terms of performance (and fwiw, everything else), and is now long outdated. It's also the version that MS embraced/extended to misrepresent real Java, which adds to the confusion. The current version is 1.4, and uses HotSpot, which does compiles bytecode down to native at run-time, and can match speeds with any native application.

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    6. Re:Its *not* written in java. by eean · · Score: 1

      His point is that people often say OpenOffice and Star Office uses Java even though it doesn't.

  2. I showed my windozw friends... by PhilJackson · · Score: 3, Insightful

    I showed my windozw friends open office (they all use MS office) and they where well impressed, so much so that one of them is using it on doze now. Congrats to the OpenOffice team!

    1. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by codepunk · · Score: 1, Flamebait

      Most of us do not work for software companies idiot so we could care less. I get paid to write custom shit that no one else would even touch as a commercial product.

      Oh yea, and it is going to be hard to beat free!

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    2. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great idea. I'll show MY Windows friends as well. ...oh wait, I don't have any Windows friends ;-)

    3. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Troll
      I personally really enjoy working for money but maybe I missed out on something?
      Ok, you carry on campaigning for capitalism, where you have to have enough money to live. I'll continue campaigning for socalism, where you simply have to work to live.
      Does anyone know if this immaturity is present in other professional working groups such as chemical engineers, doctors, investment bankers, lawyers, biotechnology engineers etc?
      Yes, many lawyers give free legal advice for good causes. Medecins sans frontiers et al are about doctors providing free services to the Third World. Chemical/biotechnology researchers in universities are comparatively paid so little in proportion to the benefits reaped by the industry that they might as well be working for free.

      The only exception, I'd say, is the "investment banker", a bastion career of capitalism. It is appropriate, therefore, that his services are not provided for free -- no-one believing in sharing/equality would want them anyway.

    4. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I get paid to write custom shit that no one else would even touch as a commercial product."

      You get paid to write shitware? Wow...talking about job security! You can do your absolute worse and still be on-target! Sounds pretty useless to me. :-)

    5. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Chemicalscum · · Score: 5, Informative
      Many of the hackers that developed this program were paid. First in its proprietary phase as StarOffice originally developed by Star AG. Sun Microsystems took over the company - they gave the office suite away free (as in beer not as in freedom) to bug M$ while still using only their paid programmers to develop it. Sun took the decision to release it as a free (free as in freedom) open source project a year or two ago.

      There are I believe paid Sun hackers still working as the core team of the project and there are also Boeing (as in big things with wings) hackers whose programming time for the project has been donated by the company. There are I believe a large number of volunteer hackers working on the project but they are all gaining marketable skills, CV entries and maybe just having fun. Everyone gains (including Sun in its object of reducing M$ control on the desktop). As an oo user I would like to thank all who contributed to its development.

    6. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Doctors provide free services here in the US at a number of free clinics all over the place. I'm not sure what the prereqs are to visit one, but it's worth noting.

      Industry benefits a lot more from research than researchers, I'll give you that. I wonder if the post you replied to would be all for patenting an aids vaccine or something and making a crapload of money off of it rather than giving away 'the source' for free? After all, if you give it away for free, some big drug companies will pick it up and market it and make craploads of money off of it. A whole lot more than you ever will.

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    7. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by EvilAlien · · Score: 1

      All I care about is Exchange 5.5 compatibility. Everything else is already possible. Being about to tie in with the vanilla corporate office requires Exchange. The point has been made 2 million times... the only reason many of use have Windows on the desktop at work is so that we can interact with the corporate standards: Exchange email, calendar, and contact functions.

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    8. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by ONOIML8 · · Score: 1

      Oh now you've gone and done it. The crowd here obviously doesn't like big evil corporations. You can mention Sun and that's ok cuz they give supercomputing power to the Chinese and they're commies.

      But now you've gone and mentioned Boeing which is not only a big corporation but a major U.S. defense contractor. Now none of these /.ers are going to want to use oo. You'll get RMS started spouting off about it too.

      So let's just keep this Boeing thing under our Red Hat, shall we?

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    9. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by spitzak · · Score: 2

      Open source software is vital for my job and I am fighting for it's success for very selfish reasons.

    10. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      so buy ximian connector - http://www.ximian.com

    11. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by EvilAlien · · Score: 2

      Connector doesn't work with Exchange 5.5... yet =) I'm familiar with the product, and have affored to help the IT monkeys test it, but they are still on 5.5.

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    12. Re:I showed my windozw friends... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      SW industry is far from being dead because of OPen Source projects like Open Office. I doubt you will get a OSS version of SAP, Oracle Applications or Peoplesoft in the near future as well as other very complex and specific focused applications.

      The question is that world (aka community) perception is that some basic software like office, browsers and operating systems are not to be charged as much as it is, and therefore market forces pushes for an alternative solution. OSS is a response of market and minds to what market and minds perceives as an unbalanced economic relation between users and software producers.

      OSS is innovating because it carries a large economic value with almost no financial value. In other words, it is good only for the end-user. The correct business model for surviving in an OSS dominated world is to provide services, and those services must, as usual, be directed towards the best value for the end user.

      What is perceived as anti-american initiative, as put by some high ranked execs on OSS, is in reality, a tremendous wealth generator for a much larger and granularized set of small business for everybody.

      I do believe firmly, that OSS is very much pro-America, as well as pro-every small busines in the world.

  3. Here's the announcement by CapnKirk · · Score: 1, Informative

    OPENOFFICE.ORG COMMUNITY ANNOUNCES OPENOFFICE.ORG 1.O: FREE OFFICE
    PRODUCTIVITY SOFTWARE

    Global Community Builds Full-Featured Office Suite With Revolutionary
    Momentum

    May 1, 2002 - The OpenOffice.org community (www.openoffice.org) today
    announced the availability of OpenOffice.org 1.0, the open source,
    multi-platform, multi-lingual office productivity suite available as a
    free download at the OpenOffice.org community website. OpenOffice.org
    1.0 is the culmination of more than 18 months of collaborative effort by
    members of the OpenOffice.org community, which is comprised of Sun
    employees, volunteer developers, marketers, and end users working to
    create an international office suite that will run on all major
    platforms.

    OpenOffice.org 1.0, which shares the same code base as Sun's StarOffice
    [tm] 6.0 software is - like StarOffice 6.0 software - a full-featured
    office suite that provides a near drop-in replacement for Microsoft
    Office. OpenOffice.org 1.0 offers software freedom, enabling a free
    market for service and support, while the Sun-branded product,
    StarOffice 6.0 software, offers 24x7 fee-based support and training for
    consumers and businesses, along with deployment and migration services.
    StarOffice software also offers additional features, such as a database,
    special fonts and Sun quality and assurance testing. The two office
    suites complement each other, meeting the varying needs of consumers,
    open source advocates and enterprise customers.

    "OpenOffice.org 1.0 may be the single best hope for consumers fed-up
    with Microsoft's desktop monopoly," said Eric Raymond, co-founder of the
    Open Source Initiative (OSI). "With Sun moving to a full service and
    support business model for StarOffice software, users around the globe
    will continue to have a free office productivity software tool through
    the OpenOffice.org open source community."

    The OpenOffice.org 1.0 office suite features key desktop applications -
    including word processor, spreadsheet, presentation and drawing
    programs - in more than 25 languages. In addition, OpenOffice.org 1.0
    works transparently with a variety of file formats, enabling users
    familiar with other office suites, such as Microsoft Office and
    StarOffice software, to work seamlessly in the application. The
    OpenOffice.org 1.0 software runs stably and natively on multiple
    platforms, including Linux, PPC Linux, Solaris [tm], Windows and many
    other flavors of Unix.

    OpenOffice.org is the largest open source project with more than 7.5
    million lines of code. To date, more than 4.5 million downloads of
    earlier versions of OpenOffice.org 1.0 have taken place. With the
    release of the 1.0 version, the OpenOffice.org community expects that
    number to grow significantly as businesses and individuals around the
    world explore the free alternative to proprietary office suites.
    The OpenOffice.org Community
    In less than two years, the OpenOffice.org community has grown to more
    than 10,000 volunteers, working together to build the leading
    international office suite that will run on all major platforms and
    provide access to all functionality and data through open-component
    based APIs and an XML-based file format. Sun initiated this effort by
    donating the StarOffice software source code and engineering to the
    OpenOffice.org community. One of the major benefits of community-based
    development is peer review, which has resulted in a stable, secure and
    flexible software package.

    Participants in the Community work on projects ranging from code
    development to porting and localization, to bug reporting,
    documentation, product marketing, local language sites and mirror
    sites for software download.
    "There are many important roles that volunteer developers can play to
    shape the future functionality of OpenOffice.org (OOo) so if you are
    looking for someplace to contribute, OOo can use you," said Kevin
    Hendricks, a key contributor to the OpenOffice.org community since its
    inception nearly two years ago. Hendricks has lead volunteer development
    teams for both the OpenOffice.org 1.0 spellchecker and PPC Linux port
    projects.

    "When OpenOffice.org was released, it was a tremendous amount of code
    with a very deep history, and thus we knew it would take a lot of time
    and effort to reach a critical mass of community participation," said
    Brian Behlendorf, CTO and co-founder, CollabNet. "The project has now
    attracted a significant amount of outside involvement, some of it in
    pretty interesting areas like marketing and quality assurance. With the
    release of 1.0, it's clear those efforts are bearing real fruit.
    Congratulations to the community -- and to Sun -- for making this
    happen."

    CollabNet's SourceCast application enables both centralized and
    geographically distributed software development teams to collaborate on
    OpenOffice.org projects and to track them accurately. SourceCast is the
    premier Web-based collaboration environment, which includes an
    integrated set of software development applications. CollabNet also
    provides strategic advice on open source issues and the growth of
    OpenOffice.org, and offers analysis on current trends within the
    community.

    "OpenOffice.org may be the most important open source project right
    now," said Miguel de Icaza, founder of the GNOME project. "Because
    people will try it and see they can get everyday work done without
    giving more money to Microsoft, they'll see -- in a low-risk way -- that
    open source software can work for them and be an even better solution."

    About OpenOffice.org
    OpenOffice.org is the home of the open source project and its community
    of developers, users and marketers responsible for the on-going
    development of the OpenOffice.org 1.0 product. The mission of
    OpenOffice.org is to create, as a community, the leading international
    office suite that will run on all major platforms and provide access to
    all functionality and data through open-component based APIs and an
    XML-based file format. Additional ports, such as FreeBSD, IRIX and Mac
    OS X are in various stages of completion by developers and end-users in
    the OpenOffice.org community. OpenOffice.org 1.0 is written in C++ and
    has documented API's licensed under the GNU Lesser General Public
    License (LGPL) and Sun Industry Standards Source License (SISSL) open
    source licenses.

    About CollabNet
    CollabNet provides companies with solutions for collaborative software
    development by combining a Web-based software application with a suite
    of consulting services. Using these solutions, customers can collaborate
    on development projects within an enterprise, with customers, business
    partners, or with third party developer organizations, such as industry
    specific or open source communities. CollabNet enables corporations to
    reduce costs and increase revenues by bringing different project team
    members together, regardless of their location. CollabNet is currently
    working with customers ranging from hardware and software providers to
    companies from industries such as financial services, wireless, and
    pharmaceuticals. Brian Behlendorf, co-founder of the Apache Software
    Foundation, established CollabNet in July 1999. For more information,
    see http://www.collab.net

    About Sun Microsystems, Inc.
    Since its inception in 1982, a singular vision -- "The Network Is The
    Computer[tm]" -- has propelled Sun Microsystems, Inc. (Nasdaq: SUNW) to
    its position as a leading provider of industrial-strength hardware,
    software and services that make the Net work. Sun can be found in more
    than 170 countries and on the World Wide Web at http://sun.com.

    © 2002 Sun Microsystems, Inc. All rights reserved.

    Sun, Sun Microsystems, the Sun logo, StarOffice, Solaris and "The
    Network Is The Computer" are trademarks or registered trademarks of Sun
    Microsystems, Inc. in the United States and other countries.

    1. Re:Here's the announcement by Bilbo · · Score: 1

      Oh, go cry me a river....

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    2. Re:Here's the announcement by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Why do some people get modded down to -1 when posting the articles and other idiots like this guy go all the way to 5?

  4. Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody have a list of the mirrors? Especially mirrors in the USA (if they exist!?)

  5. Perhaps you should spend.... by Grape+Smuggler · · Score: 0, Informative

    ..some time visiting thier website:

    "Q: How was OpenOffice created?
    A: It was written entirely in Java."

    That is from thier own FAQ, you sould be more careful.

  6. Great news by PhysicsGenius · · Score: 2, Insightful
    I have a lot of Excel spreadsheets[1] but upgrading the format every time M$ decides to release a new version is the pits. Every one of our users needs to spend about a week every 18 months tweaking spreadsheets. The existence of a standard, open format for this kind of data/calculation is a godsend.

    [1]For high-accuracy nuclear bomb simulations, particle interactions, that sort of thing.

    1. Re:Great news by TummyX · · Score: 0

      Uh, I realise you're trolling...but just to clarify... the last time Microsoft changed the XSL file format was 1997.

    2. Re:Great news by moonbender · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was just about to make fun of you for taking 18 months tweaking spreadsheets when there's a new Office around, when I read your [1]. *gulp* You use MS Office for "high-accuracy nuclear bomb simulations"? Take your time!

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    3. Re:Great news by mcwop · · Score: 2

      I agree and wish this were a part of a Microsoft settlement (open file standards for spreadsheets etc...MSFT can make em put they have to be open and usable by other productivity suites).

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    4. Re:Great news by delta407 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The existence of a standard, open format for this kind of data/calculation is a godsend.

      Yes, something that is easily accessible from virtually any programming language on any platform. Something that can be easily implemented, assuming no pre-existing implementation exists. Such a standard would be great for shuffling data between disparate and otherwise incompatible programs.

      Wait a minute... it's called CSV :-)

    5. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


      Damn.

      Now I have to rename all these XLS spreadsheets in order to have backward compatibility.

    6. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The XLS file format, yes, but what about the macros?

      I'm not sure at all they're compatible..

    7. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Perhaps before you make fun of him, you should re-read his post where it says "a week every 18 months".

    8. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod this fucking troll down for christs sake.

    9. Re:Great news by Buck2 · · Score: 2, Funny

      Isn't it cool how well Excel parallelizes to take advantage of supercomputer type architectures? I find it amazingly easy to do all of my simulations, from whole-cell modelling to nuclear explosions on foreign planets, on my Beowulf with WINE and Office XP.

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    10. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Excellent job. Got a +5 insightful, too. You rule.

      If anyone needs more proof that slashbots are the most idiotic forms of life, your post was it. Again, great job!

    11. Re:Great news by k98sven · · Score: 3, Funny

      For high-accuracy nuclear bomb simulations, particle interactions, that sort of thing.


      Whoever sold Excel to you may have violated the M$ EULA...
      You specifically agree not to export or re-export the SOFTWARE PRODUCT:
      (...)
      (ii) to any end-user who you know or have reason to know will utilize the SOFTWARE PRODUCT or portion thereof in the design, development or production of nuclear, chemical or biological weapons

    12. Re:Great news by MassacrE · · Score: 1

      Actually no - they changed it with Office XP (I know because everyone but my department upgraded, and it drives me totally mad)

    13. Re:Great news by AntiNorm · · Score: 2

      I have a lot of Excel spreadsheets[1] but upgrading the format every time M$ decides to release a new version is the pits.

      Don't use M$ Office then. OpenOffice, WordPerfect Office, etc. have spreadsheet programs that are just as good as Excel. And they don't change their file formats anywhere near as often as M$ likes to.

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    14. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Uh-oh! I think I violated the EULA, too: I use an Excel spreadsheet to keep track of the number of farts/day that I produce. I think this falls under the category of chemical weapons, even though the weapon, per se, is biological.

      This poster's name secretly replaced with Folgers Crystals

    15. Re:Great news by Lardmonster · · Score: 1

      Hey, that was moderated as "Funny".

      Surely "absolutely bloody terrifying" would be more appropriate?

      I wouldn't trust my mortgage calculations to Excel, let alone "The Future of the World as We Know It"

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    16. Re:Great news by DrQuack · · Score: 1

      The M$ eula only restricts the EXPORT of their products to "any person or entity" ... "utilizing the Product" ... "in the production of nuclear" ... "weapons"... So, if you're working for the US government on nuclear weapon simulations using a Microsoft product, it is ok (with respect to legal issues).

    17. Re:Great news by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      I have been doing some testing of OpenOffice.org 1.0, and it seems to be able to open and export Excel spreadsheets nearly perfectly. As a matter of fact, I have had absolutely no problems with it. It may be dependant upon certain variables, but it seems to have great filters in it for everything except for really elaborate .DOC files.

      I urge everyone to give it a shot.

    18. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yeah, but who knows:
      This guy might be posting to /. from the Tora-Bora caves in Afghanistan right this moment!

    19. Re:Great news by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      what a Troll you are!

  7. Press release, release notes available by moonbender · · Score: 1, Redundant
    Downloading now, I hope I get it before it's slashdotted. :)

    Anyway, there's a press release available on the mailing list (and assumedly somewhere else). From what I gather from glancing over it, it doesn't contain any useful information, but maybe someone can extract something out of it or pass it on to his boss.
    The release notes are available too. There's no changelog as such, but it says ...
    OpenOffice.org 1.0.0 is the result of development on the cvs branch tagged "OOO_STABLE_1". Some snapshots have already been released from this branch, namely the snapshots 641, 641C and 641D. Almost no more features were added since 641D, development was focussed on bug fixes instead. Thus, in these release notes, the 'features' section which used to be rather big in release notes of other (snapshot) releases is small.
    ... so I guess no actual changelog is required.
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    1. Re:Press release, release notes available by JPriest · · Score: 1

      Downloading now, I hope I get it before it's slashdotted. :)
      famous last words....

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    2. Re:Press release, release notes available by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Well, I'm still getting it at the same speed as before, apparently they put the download servers on a big pipe but forgot to use one for the web server, which broke down (already).

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    3. Re:Press release, release notes available by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      Check out the 'What's New in 1.0' document. I'll link to it when OpenOffice.org itself comes back from the dead.

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  8. Is there any way to access Old ms Office files ? by modipodio · · Score: 1

    Does any one know of a way to convert office 95 files into something that could be used by either star office or open office.

    My company has a large mailing list of customers stored in office 95 ,The only way I can convince
    my company to switch to linux is if we can use some sort of office suit which can access these files.

    does any one know of anything which would fit my requirments ? I looked at open office before and I do not think it does.

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  9. /.ed by Kanon · · Score: 0, Redundant

    As usual. I don't suppose anyone has a list of mirrors?

  10. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by caolan · · Score: 2, Informative

    Star/OpenOffice opens office 95 documents.

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  11. Good Stuff by Alien54 · · Score: 4, Interesting
    I routinely use this. Often I will have someone ask me if I have a copy of Office I can load on their system. I'll give them this instead.

    It avoids the piracy issue, promotes open source, and avoids another Microsoft Tax.

    Winners all around

    Just need to go through the application and set the defaults from Metric to English, changed the default fonts to arial and times roman instead of the default Thorndale, etc. just for document compatibility. Also set the document save default to MS , since most folks will get caught by surprise otherwise first time they try to share a doc.

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    1. Re:Good Stuff by Vryl · · Score: 5, Interesting

      Here is a good question:

      Is there a converter/plugin for Word (latest versions also) that goes the other way?? ie, Save em in the nice xml star/openoffice format, and when folks say they can't open em, post em the filter.

      Subvert the dominant paradigm and all that guff.

    2. Re:Good Stuff by big_groo · · Score: 5, Funny

      I'm sure if you ask Microsoft nicely, they'll include it in their next SP for Office.

      Or...maybe not.

    3. Re:Good Stuff by davesag · · Score: 1
      Just need to go through the application and set the defaults from Metric to English

      what on earth do you mean? last time i looked, England like the rest of the world save for the U$A, used the Metric system. The older system of measures, officially defunct some 30 years ago in the civilized world, but clung to with a queer nostalgia by americans, is called the Imperial system, not the English system.

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    4. Re:Good Stuff by Lumpy · · Score: 2

      That would be a great program for someone to write. the Open-office fixer for US residents. a seperate app that does all that.... OR the OO team can make a configuration available for the US.

      I have given out almost a hundred copies of the stable beta... I guess it's time to start making CD's for the next round of installs.

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    5. Re:Good Stuff by GreyPoopon · · Score: 1
      last time i looked, England like the rest of the world save for the U$A, used the Metric system.

      Shows how much you know about England... Last time *I* checked, they were about halfway there. Distances are still measured in miles. Petrol, although usually sold in litres now, is still occasionally measured in gallons. Weight / Mass is measured in both stone and kg.

      I can't really defend my country (USA) for not switching to the metric system. We had planned to years ago (in 7th grade, I learned and used both systems), but it somehow never happened. It should have, though. People weren't looking at long-term benefits -- only the short run struggles. Too many people were afraid of getting cheated at the pump and the supermarket. Kind of like the situation with the adoption of the Euro. People in Germany were really concerned that the prices of things would go up with the switch. The government assured them that that wasn't the case. Guess who was wrong. It wasn't the people.... The funny thing is that the government tells everybody that they are just imagining things -- that the prices haven't really gone up. Last time I was over there (a few weeks ago), I confirmed the situation.

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    6. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Really, the burden is on Sun, not Microsoft.

      If a large corporation is looking at transitioning to Star, there's realistically going to be the need to support both MS and Star Office on the network for a certain period of time. It would be better if there was a way to do this with native StarOffice formats instead of using DOC/XLS as the interoperability standards.

    7. Re:Good Stuff by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      One of my faorite Dave Barry lines:
      Thus the metric system did not really catch on in the States, unless you count the increasing popularity of the nine-millimeter bullet.
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    8. Re:Good Stuff by sphealey · · Score: 5, Insightful
      Is there a converter/plugin for Word (latest versions also) that goes the other way?? ie, Save em in the nice xml star/openoffice format, and when folks say they can't open em, post em the filter.
      Too young to remember the word processor wars? When WordPerfect was king [1], WP had import routines that would read other word processors' formats exactly, but export routines that would only write to, say, MS-Word format with 90% accuracy. At that time MS-Word had export routines that would write to WP format exactly.

      Fast forward 5 years. MS-Word has dethroned the King and reigns as Usurper. Now Word will only write to WP format with 90% accuracy, while suddenly WP can write to MS-Word format 100%.

      And if you think about it, that is the only way it can work in a competitive environment, particularly with publicly-held companies. There is negative incentive for the leader to be able to write to the challengers' formats.

      Now, we could talk about an entirely open standard for document formatting... Oops, we already have SGML and TeX. Oh well...

      sPh

      [1]This argument extends back to PFS:Write and Electric Pencil as well of course.

    9. Re:Good Stuff by Vryl · · Score: 2

      It's arguable that things like the Star/Openoffice file format are 'standards'. That is, they are self describing documents, based on XML, that a variaty of tools can process.

      In theory, it should be poss to do transforms between xml formats ...

    10. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      The 9mm bullet is just another name for a bullet of caliber .38 inches. It works out close to 9mm, and since the 9mm has slightly different brass, they needed a new name. (The fact that the round was developed for the European market (although by an American, John Moses Browning) also helped.) Bullets of .357 and .38 and .30 Special and 9mm and 9mm kurz or .380 all have a diameter of about 3/8 inches. You can get the different numbers by using metric, or by measuring the slightly different diameters of the lead, or the inside measurement of the barrel.

      So don't ever say you never learned anything by reading slashdot !

      The reason that America refuses to bend over to metric system bigots is that our society is much more egalitarian than Europe's. Without a bunch of Sarbonne graduates mandating the width of the toilet paper to wipe our asses with from Paris, Berlin, or Brussels, depending on the time period, people use what is convienent to themselves, in the manner of a free society. Oh, and how far did that early metric system attempt at the ten-day week and ten-hour day get ? Next time a metric bigot with a fascination for bureaucratic mandates starts flapping his jaws at you, ask him the time and laugh in his face.

    11. Re:Good Stuff by Alzheimers · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, DosEdit documents are *THE* most compatible format, supported by every word processor on the market.

      You want interoperability, go with what works...

      .TXT FOREVER!

    12. Re:Good Stuff by jbarr · · Score: 1
      Just need to go through the application and set the defaults from Metric to English, changed the default fonts to arial and times roman instead of the default Thorndale, etc. just for document compatibility. Also set the document save default to MS , since most folks will get caught by surprise otherwise first time they try to share a doc.
      From a usability perspective, some sort of "setup wizard" or some such should be created to accomplish this. The last thing new end users (or corporate folks with larger deployments) arer going to want to do is to have to go in and tweak everything. Make the initial setups as close to "out-of-the-box" MS Office, and you will attract a LOT more people!
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    13. Re:Good Stuff by psocccer · · Score: 2

      Kind of funny you mention the whole document compatability thing, because my friend just ran into an interesting problem the other day. He has MS Works at home, because he didn't want to buy office, the PC came with works, and he didn't want to "borrow" a copy. Works was good enough, and he'd been using it for a long time and had a lot of documents in wps format.

      He wanted to bring a document to the office so he could work on it, and we run MS Office 97. You'd expect similar applications to read each other's formats within the same vendor, so it seemed like a good idea. Except Word97 can't read MS Works files, even though MS Works can read MS Word files. Doesn't make any sense to me.

      So instead, he was playing around in Linux since we just installed it for him, and he was looking at the office apps. He opened KWord and thought "I wonder if I could open those Works documents" and gave it a try. Worked great. Then I told him about OpenOffice and he's been using that instead, the special 6.0 version that comes w/ Mandrake.

      So now, instead of using MS Office for anything anymore, he just uses OpenOffice because for him it's been more compatible with documents than MS Office!

    14. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What on earth do YOU mean? The system of measures used by most of the world is called "SI", not the metric system. By the way, the Brits use a system with weights in stone and other nonsense - THAT system is called "Imperial". The US system is different than the UK, and is properly called the English system.

    15. Re:Good Stuff by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2
      I knew they were close, yes. Seems like the chief reason the cops like nine's, as opposed to say a .45, is that they can cram all those smaller rounds into the thing.

      I wouldn't lean too hard on the egalitarian aspect of things, though, not unless you know a good source of 9 x 11-1/2" typing paper, 1-1/2 x 5" lumber, or even double-wide TP. We have standards too, but they tend to be mandated by industry for their convenience rather than by government.

      That decimal currency thing seems to have caught on nicely, though.

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    16. Re:Good Stuff by bubkus_jones · · Score: 1

      Its StarOffice 6 that comes with Mandrake, I believe. Anyways, I'm going to download OO when I get home.

    17. Re:Good Stuff by sphealey · · Score: 3, Informative
      He wanted to bring a document to the office so he could work on it, and we run MS Office 97. You'd expect similar applications to read each other's formats within the same vendor, so it seemed like a good idea. Except Word97 can't read MS Works files, even though MS Works can read MS Word files. Doesn't make any sense to me.
      The MS-Works import/export converter is not installed by default with Office 97. You have to rerun setup, drill down on "Converters", and select the ones you want. Works is in there.

      When you do so it will ask you for the original Office 97 CD (which must be exactly the same version). Since you have touched the original CD, don't forget to reinstall all Office and operating system service packs in the correct order when you are done.

      Now the fun part is figuring out how to rerun Setup if you didn't install the Office tool bar, since the tool bar is the only organic location to start Setup, and you need to run Setup to install the tool bar :-).

      sPh

    18. Re:Good Stuff by nusuth · · Score: 1
      Dos texts are standart? That is news to me. Wish I knew that before all time I spend on cr/lf incompatibilities.

      Think about it, how much you can get non-standart with pure text files? The obvious way is you can redefine whole character set. DOS kind of did this by using nonstandart codes for non-latin character sets and redefining some control characters.

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    19. Re:Good Stuff by FattMattP · · Score: 2

      For 85-90% of the documents out there, RTF format will work just fine.

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    20. Re:Good Stuff by realnowhereman · · Score: 1

      I think you're missing the beauty of ISO paper sizes. A4, A3, etc. The clever part is that the sides are in the ratio 1:sqrt(2). This then allows the characteristic that when you fold a piece of A3 in half you get A4, A4 in half gives A5, etc.

      It also means that when you shrink things on a photocopier you know it will fit on the smaller piece of paper without chopping edges or getting huge, wasteful, margins.

      It's not a uniquely metric property, especially as the metric size of A4 is the lunatic 297x210mm WTF?

      Okay, I'm sad - I admit.

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    21. Re:Good Stuff by bdeclerc · · Score: 2, Informative
      the tool bar is the only organic location to start Setup, and you need to run Setup to install the tool bar :-).

      Start-Control Panel - Add/Remove Programs - MS Office97

      This doesn't directly uninstall Office, but runs the Setup tool.

      Obvious, isn't it ;-/
    22. Re:Good Stuff by david+duncan+scott · · Score: 2

      Oh, I'm not missing it all. I was just pointing out to the parent poster that ~metric doesn't mean arbitrary sizes available at whim, that we here in the States have standard sizes as well, logical or otherwise. Yes, the ISO sizes do make a great deal of sense.

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    23. Re:Good Stuff by EugeneK · · Score: 1
      our society is much more egalitarian than Europe's..

      More egalitarian? By what measure?
      How do you respond to this article?

      "Conservatives try to excuse this inequality by arguing that American income and social mobility is uniquely high, as befits an exceptional civilisation. It is not; indeed it compares badly with the Europe about whom American conservatives are so patronising"
    24. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The only problem is that a 90% of the documents created by Word are the other 10 to 15%.

    25. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      the metric size of A4 is the lunatic 297x210mm WTF?

      The area of A0 is one square meter.

    26. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      But there's a growing demand for 10mm guns and increased "stopping power", as the cops prefer to kill scared black kids in a van outright, rather than have to face them later in court.

      This poster's name secretly replaced with Folgers Crystal Meth

    27. Re:Good Stuff by FattMattP · · Score: 2

      Yes, but that has nothing to do with the question that I was answering. Thanks for playing.

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    28. Re:Good Stuff by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the diameter of a 9mm bullet is .355 inches and John Browning didn't have shit to do with the 9mm round development. It was developed by the Germans for use in the Luger (that is why the cartridge is called 9mm luger). Also, there is no such thing as a .30 special. You need to brush up on your firearms history.

  12. Bunch of links by ChrisRijk · · Score: 5, Informative

    download

    Screen shots

    List of changes

    Marketing flyer

    From Q&A section:
    Q. Is OpenOffice.org 1.0 100% Microsoft Office file compatible?
    A. As Microsoft rarely publish their file specifications, no-one can answer that question. However, there are plenty of users who regularly edit and exchange documents, spreadsheets, etc with Microsoft Office users without any problems. Indeed, some users claim they've seen bigger compatibility problems moving between versions of Microsoft's own products.

    Q. I've just saved a file from Microsoft Office in OpenOffice.org format, and it's much smaller - yet it hasn't lost anything?
    A. Good, isn't it?

    Q. Has this suite got that annoying paperclip?
    A. No. Never has, never will. No. No!


    Testimonials

    Timeline

    Credits

    1. Re:Bunch of links by moonbender · · Score: 1

      Those would be useful, if you could actually access them. :)

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    2. Re:Bunch of links by mobets · · Score: 1

      Here is a question. What is the difference between the sover and the installer besides 50 meg?

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    3. Re:Bunch of links by cowbutt · · Score: 5, Informative
      Here is a question. What is the difference between the sover and the installer besides 50 meg?

      As far as I can see as an OOo outsider, the solver is the object files (+ source?) so that if you're hacking on one specific part of OOo, you can compile, link and test without having to recompile the whole suite overnight.

      If all you want to do is play with the "finished product", just grab the installer.

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    4. Re:Bunch of links by mobets · · Score: 1

      Thanks, I was getting both. Now I can save some bandwidth for somebody else.

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    5. Re:Bunch of links by MrFredBloggs · · Score: 1

      "As Microsoft rarely publish their file specifications, no-one can answer that question"

      It would be easy for MS to encrypt the file format, even with a simple, Micky-mouse method, which would make reverse engineering it a crime (in the States, and possibly the EU soon too). Any reason why they dont?

      Is their arguement that they dont make it hard for other people to use their files, or have they just not got around to it yet? It seems like the obvious thing to do - especially if these free Office-like suite things take off/hurt MS sales.

    6. Re:Bunch of links by 4of12 · · Score: 2

      Indeed, some users claim they've seen bigger compatibility problems moving between versions of Microsoft's own products.

      Considering the hassles users experience thrashing between versions of Word (and exchanging Word documents between platforms), that's not exactly a ringingly strict infimum of compatility.

      But hey, it's probably a whole better than catdoc, so I won't complain too loudly.

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    7. Re:Bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I would love to see microsoft encrypt Office file
      formats. Just think of all the incompatibility
      problems that would cause. It would be better
      than going to the movies just watching people
      running around trying to exchange files between
      different versions of Office.

    8. Re:Bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Encrypted internally, on save. Decrypt on load.

    9. Re:Bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The idea that Word is not compatible with Word for the most part is FUD of the first order. Not that it doesn't happen, just that slashdotters and OO like to blow it out of proportion for marketing reasons.

    10. Re:Bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      MS Office has supported 'encrypted' (passworded) files for many years.

    11. Re:Bunch of links by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There is a list of mirrors for the german localized OpenOffice.org-1.0 can be found at http://123tk.de. CU Thorsten

  13. Does it support printers now? by ringbarer · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Not wishing to be flamebaitey, but can Open Office print under Linux yet? I remember when the Star / Open split happened, Sun kept hold of a lot of the proprietory printer code.

    If so, what printing systems does it support? CUPS?

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    1. Re:Does it support printers now? by nedrichards · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes it can. Check out the timeline in the comment above. This happened last year. It uses it's own printing system AFAIK.

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    2. Re:Does it support printers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can print with it just fine. Of course, I use mandrake, and they set all of that up for me automagically, but yes, cups printing works, if you tweak it.

    3. Re:Does it support printers now? by vondo · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes, it prints. I think it just uses printcap, so in cupsd.conf put this line:

      Printcap /etc/printcap

      if your /etc/printcap doesn't match the printers you have through your CUPS server. (Different versions of CUPS shipped with different defaults, IIRC.)

    4. Re:Does it support printers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I use OpenOffice everyday now and never had to be concerned with printing. It just worked. I run on Win2k and Linux Mandrake 8.2 running CUPS. You should have no problems (once you can download it...).

    5. Re:Does it support printers now? by pmz · · Score: 2

      Does Open Office not even print to PostScript?

      If it does, then you should have no problem. RedHat has a very easy default ghostscript setup. Other popular systems should have something similar, or you can just roll your own ghostscript command line. Or you can buy a PostScript printer; they are pretty inexpensive now-a-days.

      With ghostscript you can also print PostScript on Windows, so you can keep a consistent system going across platforms.

    6. Re:Does it support printers now? by mark_lybarger · · Score: 1

      i'm using the pre 1.0 release, and getting it to print to kprinter (to be able to print to kdeprintfax for faxing documents) doesn't seem to work so well. when i try to print to the fax, kde tells me that it needs --stdin since there's no file to print from. any ideas? my resume is in msword format, and openoffice does a MUCH better job of opening it to be able to fax it off.

    7. Re:Does it support printers now? by djoham · · Score: 2, Informative

      Yes it does, it even supports the KDE print system if you're creative...

      I've created a printer who's print command is "kprinter" (if memory serves). Whenever I hit "print" it pops up the nice KDE print dialog with all of the neat features it offers.

      Best regards,

      David

    8. Re:Does it support printers now? by sgtrock · · Score: 1

      That's strange. I had no problem at all with the cups default printer definition. OpenOffice 641c(?) on Mandrake 8.2 printed everything I could throw at it.

    9. Re:Does it support printers now? by laserjet · · Score: 3, Informative

      Yes. If you are us9ing linux, check out the install guide that is linked to on the download page. It shows you how to install is (easy) and then shows you what to do to setup your printer.

      so far it has been printing great. I even used it tp type up a 10 page report yesterday for school, and I was very impressed.

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    10. Re:Does it support printers now? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Yes, ever since v641d. I run 641d on my Red Hat Linux 7.2 box, and I love it. Prints like a charm. I've been a longtime user of StarOffice, and now I use exclusively free software at home. You are correct; 641c and before had printing problems on Linux, in my experience as well. 641c would produce invalid PS outputs, and that's what 641d fixed.


      Note that OO.o since v638 has always printed perfectly on Windoze.

  14. Can I ask your help please? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Hello. I am the CTO of a new technology consulting company. Due to the slow down in world markets, I am sure you can all appreciate that initial investment has been low. Due to this, we are currently investigating our options for IT infastructure.

    Dave, our systems manager, has suggested that one option may be to run Linux. However, we all have very little experience with Linux, and Dave insists that he is too busy to explain. I have noticed that he tends to spand a lot of time at this website, so I am turning to your good selves for some advice. Would Linux be a suitable system for us to use? Will we be able to send email and faxes with Linux? How about printing? Out of all of these, printing is the most important to myself, as I like to keep a hard copy in case I need to fax it to someone, so printing has to work.

    Finally, Dave has said that he can get his hands on some Microsoft Office CD's, and we could run it under something called "Wine". Does anyone have any experience with this?

    Many thanks!

    1. Re:Can I ask your help please? by Peyna · · Score: 2

      Yes.
      Yes.
      It works.
      Yes, it is good, but I'm curious, if he can "get his hands on some MS Office CD's" then he's either paying a crapload so you all can have MS Office, which makes your first statement invalid. Or you will have pirated copies of MS Office, in which case, you might as well use pirated copies of MS Windows as well. You're better off getting legal copies of MS products or sticking with some Linux distro + XFree86 + some office product, which there are plenty out there..

      And who modded this as offtopic? He is making an inquiry to the feasibility of his company making use of an Office product, I think that's related. Silly Moderators.

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  15. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by u01000101 · · Score: 5, Informative

    A working mirror - well, *still* working: planetmirror

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  16. Mirrors by flipflapflopflup · · Score: 5, Informative

    here

    and

    here

    Here's some characters to get past the filter. And some more. And some more.

    1. Re:Mirrors by u01000101 · · Score: 2

      And here

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  17. List of mirrors! by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

    Check this Google cache of the Open Office Mirrors Project website. Not as convenient as the direct download links from the fontpage, but definitely a start.

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  18. Mac OS X by Lomby · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Now the only thing missing to the office suit domination is the Mac release.
    I can't wait to see it.
    I use Mac/Win/Linux machines and a real cross platform office suite would be a great improvement!

    1. Re:Mac OS X by Thunderbear · · Score: 4, Informative

      Since apparently the porting process was halted by a deficiency in the Apple version of gcc 2.95, this may take quite a while yet.

      I tried compiling gcc 3.0.4 the other day, and it doesn't. All in all, a large amount of patience is appropriate for Mac platforms.

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    2. Re:Mac OS X by kollivier · · Score: 2, Informative

      Apple has already released a beta of their new developer tools, which includes gcc3.1. Maybe it's time to try compiling again, against the 1.0 branch? =)

    3. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure I have very little patience. Let me see ....Yes, very little patience. Thanks for asking, though.

    4. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The gcc team has always stated that they would not bother with OS X in 3.0 and skip that until 3.1 - which is due some time in the near future. So no surprise here.

    5. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Apple says they have gcc3 working inhouse, and you might be able to get it from their darwin CVS server, but why in hell is it taking so long? Are they that hopeless or slow typists? Or, why cant the gcc people make it work in OSX, when everything else works.

    6. Re:Mac OS X by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just download the april beta developer tools from the apple developer site. You can use the 3.0 gcc.

  19. Upgrade by Nighttime · · Score: 1

    As the website appears to be /.ed at the moment, to save load on the download server is it possible to download packages to upgrade from 641d?

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    1. Re:Upgrade by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      no, only full packages are available

  20. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by moonbender · · Score: 2, Informative

    As posted below, there's also a Google cache of the Open Office mirror list. PlanetMirror is painfully slow, at least for me.

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  21. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by JPriest · · Score: 1

    Nope it's down also, don't click it. Don't even waste your time on it. I checked it's down =)

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  22. Google's list of mirrors by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Google has a list of mirrors for OpenOffice:
    http://directory.google.com/Top/Compu ters/Software / ffice_Suites/OpenOffice.org/Mirrors/

    Enjoy!

  23. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by mpe · · Score: 3, Informative

    Does any one know of a way to convert office 95 files into something that could be used by either star office or open office.

    Have you tried just opening them?

    does any one know of anything which would fit my requirments ? I looked at open office before and I do not think it does

    In what way does it not?

  24. Star or Open? by RoC+MasterMind · · Score: 1

    Which is better, StarOffice or OpenOffice? This is ridiculous, I watched the first post come up on this news item and already the site isn't responding!!

    1. Re:Star or Open? by mobets · · Score: 1

      AFAIK, Star Office comes with clipart and some other "nice" features as well as support while Open Office doesn't.

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    2. Re:Star or Open? by cowbutt · · Score: 2
      Which is better, StarOffice or OpenOffice?

      Well, as SO6 and OOo are based on SO5.2, both have more features than the only widely available SO release. Further, since SO6 went gold a few weeks back (it must have done, in order for Mandrake purchasers to have something to download!), I would imagine that OOo has more bugfixes than the first release of SO6 when it turns up in a month or so.

      That said, it's entirely possible that Sun's first release of SO6 will have all the fixes found in OOo 1.0.0 (i.e. it'll be SO6-SP1 or something).

      Finally, SO includes a bunch of extras - clipart, fonts, templates and the like.

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    3. Re:Star or Open? by subgeek · · Score: 2

      it has the extras your other replies mention, and Star Office can also do database stuff (silimar to MS Access).

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    4. Re:Star or Open? by rutledjw · · Score: 2
      Slap me with a big trout if I'm wrong, bu I thought the "biggie" between Open and StarOffice was the spell checker that was in Star but not Open.

      Has that changed? Did the Open guys come up with a checker? I don't suppose it would be that tough, but it seems like a LOT of grunt work...

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    5. Re:Star or Open? by johnnyb · · Score: 3, Informative

      Actually, I believe that the "biggie" is that SO comes with a full-featured desktop database package.

    6. Re:Star or Open? by cowbutt · · Score: 2
      OOo has a spellchecker - MySpell. Extra dictionaries are downloadable from here.

      IIRC, it's been adapted from ispell, the UNIX spellchecker, by Kevin Hendricks. Bravo!

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    7. Re:Star or Open? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      thats probably because most of us read first, start download, then post :)

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  25. DAMN! Never submitted... by Havokmon · · Score: 4, Informative
    I never got around to submitting my Terminal Server bug...

    Log in on Terminal Server, and let the 'quickstart' come up (the butterfly by the clock).
    Log in ANOTHER Session (with the first one still up), and you will not be able to start OpenOffice in that session. Every OO componant you start will appear in the first session. Not being very useful if you left a session open at work, and are logging in at home.

    But hey, it's free, and it works!! So I'll just kill the first session, because I'm administrator. :) (but that should be verified because end-users wouldn't be able to do anything about it.)

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    1. Re:DAMN! Never submitted... by codepunk · · Score: 1

      If terminal server actually worked, someone might give a damn.....

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    2. Re:DAMN! Never submitted... by Havokmon · · Score: 2
      If terminal server actually worked, someone might give a damn.....

      It's works just fine, just treat it like the workstation it is.

      Actually I have one at a customers site that's also a PDC. And after working with NT, I'll gladly pay for Netware.

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    3. Re:DAMN! Never submitted... by mrroach · · Score: 1
      I actually posted this bug twice. The first time it was closed because they thought I had failed to install with the -net option.

      Here is the response to the second time I posted. (you can find it here.)
      ------ Additional Comments From of@openoffice.org 2002-02-01 03:10 PST -------
      The soffice process can only be started once.
      It's not possible to start a second process on a second teminal. This process will be automatically associated to the
      running process. In this way you are provided for destroying your configuration files.

      We don't see this as an issue, it's the implemented behaviour of OOo.
      I don't se that we will change this in the near future, but I will reassign this to the
      responsible person as a new 'feature'.

      Kind of a shame as this could prevent OOo from being a viable replacement to MSO for some people.
    4. Re:DAMN! Never submitted... by Havokmon · · Score: 2
      Kind of a shame as this could prevent OOo from being a viable replacement to MSO for some people.

      Bummer. At least the bug has been reported.
      Basically all thin-client companies are out, why have two different word processors?

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  26. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by nedrichards · · Score: 4, Informative

    google directory of mirrors. theres defianatly some that work there.

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  27. List of mirrors by Riddles · · Score: 3, Informative

    See this list of mirrors. It's the google cache of the original list of mirrors. I'm downloading from the Dutch mirror at the moment.
    http://www.google.com/search?q=cache:VznF ah_clJsC: whiteboard.openoffice.org/mirrors/+&hl=en

  28. Theme music for sites that are /. by lww · · Score: 1, Offtopic

    I was watching Flash Gordon recently on Sci-Fi, and now for some stupid reason whenever I try to browse a site that's been /.'d my mental soundtrack (everyone has one of those, right? right??) goes "Slash...dotted!" to Queen's refrain of "Flash...Gordon!"

    I just wanted to pass that on in the hopes that some small percentage of you will be driven nuts by that from now on like I am :)

    1. Re:Theme music for sites that are /. by MeNeXT · · Score: 2
      Thanks alot now it's in my head too...

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    2. Re:Theme music for sites that are /. by MadJeff · · Score: 1

      hehe, I thought I was the only one... =)

  29. OSX ???? by CDWert · · Score: 4, Interesting

    I looked and connot find OSX support,

    With all the new Apples shipping on OSX wouldnt this be a great product for them ?

    Every person I know that is/has bougth a iMac G4 whatever has also purchased MSOffice X.

    It cant be that hard to port, can it ???

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    1. Re:OSX ???? by David+Kennedy · · Score: 2

      I agree.

      I've a Mac OS X machine being built for me now (can't wait!). For work reasons I'd need some sort of way of producing Word/PowerPoint - just because that's what all corporate offices use. I'd planned on trying OpenOffice - Mac OS X support would be nice.

      However, if it's not there, I'll use Linux instead. *shrug*

    2. Re:OSX ???? by nedrichards · · Score: 3, Informative

      There isn't yet an OSX port. They're working on porting it at the moment. If you can develop on OSX then please give them a hand. It will rock.

      Note that there is a PPC Linux build available at the Yellow Dog Linux site.

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    3. Re:OSX ???? by Nomad7674 · · Score: 3, Informative

      I believe the problem so far is lack of volunteers for a MacOS X port. Sun and the OpenOffice groups both were pleading for developers a few months back, and near as I can tell there were few to no responses.

      This may be a case where we want to just use the Linux port as a basis and use an X11 front-end, the way many are doing so for GIMP.

      Course, we need a lot more coders before we make that happen.

    4. Re:OSX ???? by Linux_ho · · Score: 3, Interesting

      Wouldn't it be nice if Apple pitched in with this? Seeing as how Microsoft threatened Apple with discontinuing Office support for MacOS unless they complied with Microsoft terms... one would think Mr. Jobs would be interested in helping develop OpenOffice on the Mac.

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    5. Re:OSX ???? by rizzy · · Score: 2, Informative
      >It cant be that hard to port, can it ???

      actually, i guess it is:
      http://porting.openoffice.org/mac
      os x makes a distinction between a shared library and a loadable module ( "plugin" ). It's quite a different platform to target. the open office team would love people familiar with it to help out.

      read the macslash discussion on this topic here

    6. Re:OSX ???? by SirRichardPumpaloaf · · Score: 1

      Why not just use Word/PowerPoint themselves, rather than a cheap imitation? The OSX versions are quite nice.

    7. Re:OSX ???? by Dominic_Mazzoni · · Score: 2

      It looks like the few people who are working on the OS X port are definitely looking at that route: there will actually be two OS X ports, one for X Windows and one for Aqua. The X one should be ready far sooner.

      However, there are still very few developers. Unfortunately Mac developers are far too used to developing shareware software, and the Mac community is far too used to paying for it.

    8. Re:OSX ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not a good situation considering the sheer number of people migrating to OS X from FreeBSD.

    9. Re:OSX ???? by irritating+environme · · Score: 1

      Apple lend a hand in this? Yeah, RIGHT. Apple cowers before the shadow of MicroSoft. It won't lift an official finger to something that would hint at angering MS, like supporting a threat to the two pillars of MS's existence: OS and Office. Writing a cross-platform powerful office suite would only encourage the use of other open source software. Like Linux.

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    10. Re:OSX ???? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nice? Yes. Possible? I don't know. Apple has an office suite of their own "AppleWorks". It can read/write MS format files. It's very popular in the education community (at $70 it's a *lot* cheaper than Word alone, much less Office v.X). Probably not quite as featured as Office but since most people really only need a good wordprocessor and decent spreadsheet it's OK.

    11. Re:OSX ???? by nedron · · Score: 3, Informative

      They are very nice. Frankly, they're much better than the Windows versions.

      But they also cost $460. That's a pretty steep price for someone who may just want a general suite.

      Even AppleWorks (which is very funtional) costs $129.

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    12. Re:OSX ???? by Abreu · · Score: 1

      That is so sadly true. Junior is spoiled.

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  30. Googlecache here. by haeger · · Score: 3, Informative

    http://216.239.51.100/search?q=cache:W15GmmXoe7sC: whiteboard.openoffice.org/mirrors/+&hl=en

    Or just click here.

    Call it karma whoring if you like, I just think that the more people that use the mirrors and get this great Office app the better.

    .haeger

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    1. Re:Googlecache here. by rbeattie · · Score: 2


      Beautiful! Whore-away, big guy! That link just got me to a mirror close by with 1.0... Nice. I wouldn't have thought of it myself at all.

      Downloading now...

      -Russ

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  31. Download site by philhy · · Score: 1

    http://ftp.rediris.es/ftp/mirror/openoffice.org/

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  32. Working link by noizy · · Score: 2, Informative
    An information that would be even more useful if posted with a

    working link.

  33. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by moonbender · · Score: 4, Funny

    In what way does it not?

    Note he said he "looked at" OO - that's exactly what he did, he looked at it, saw the price and thought, nah, that can't be good.

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  34. It's good by Majix · · Score: 5, Informative

    This is my impressions of 1.0 so far:

    It renders my old MS Word 2000 files correctly, even with some pretty advanced tables and stuff. I'd say the import filters are certainly good enough for 95% of all users out there.

    Load time (measured with clock in hand): 5 seconds (without the program preload and that tray stuff), on my Thunderbird 800Mhz, 256MB machine. It still wants a lot of memory, but otherwise it's in a completely different class than the old Star Offices, performance wise.

    It's free, it's good, it has a quality spell checker, what more could I possibly want? :) (Actually an Access replacement would be nice...)

    GNOME 2.0, KDE 3.0, Mozilla 1.0, Open Office 1.0 (or SO 6.0), it's all coming together nicely IMO. And you can't beat the price.

    1. Re:It's good by Vryl · · Score: 2

      It's free, it's good, it has a quality spell checker, what more could I possibly want? :) (Actually an Access replacement would be nice...)

      Bloody good point. What is the Access replacement of choice lately. And don't say SQL Server!

    2. Re:It's good by mpe · · Score: 2

      What is the Access replacement of choice lately.

      Has anyone developed a file based database whichc an read access files?

      And don't say SQL Server!

      You could get similar functionality from an SQL front end. Again, not sure if anyone has yet written one.

    3. Re:It's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FileMaker. But the payware Star Office does come with a desktop database program of some sort.

    4. Re:It's good by kmwertma · · Score: 4, Informative

      Check out mdb tools on sourceforge.

      They are reading both access 97 and access 2000 mdb files successfully.

      http://mdbtools.sourceforge.net/

    5. Re:It's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      My god man you are still using Word 2000? you are missing out on the Office XP features such as typing assumptions and mind reader.. if you accidently type microsoft sucks it goes ahead and fixes it for you by replacing sucks with "is the beat" and changes complaint to enjoyed the feature

    6. Re:It's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Performing simple SQL queries" on a MDB file != Microsoft Access.

      Worth noting, the MDB (Jet) backend comes free with Windows. When you buy Access, you are really buying a form/query-builder frontend environment.

      Personally, I think Access sucks ass, but I haven't seen any SQL Frontend toold that have the same level of ease of use for the business luser.

    7. Re:It's good by SparkyUK · · Score: 1

      Rekall might come close to your needs (depending on what those needs are).

    8. Re:It's good by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Have you looked at MySQL Navigator ?

    9. Re:It's good by Citizen+of+Earth · · Score: 1

      GNOME 2.0, KDE 3.0, Mozilla 1.0, Open Office 1.0 (or SO 6.0), it's all coming together nicely IMO. And you can't beat the price.

      And the GPL guarantees that the work can never be undermined or un-done. Microsoft faces its worst nightmare: the commoditization of its key product areas.

  35. basic scripting by oever · · Score: 2, Interesting

    There is even support for Basic in OpenOffice!

    It's pretty good, although the documentation could be better.
    Oh well, just look for examples on the web.

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    1. Re:basic scripting by McFly777 · · Score: 5, Funny

      Yes, but does it fully support VBA Macro Viruses?

      If not, it doesn't truly replicate the "Microsoft Experience."

      (Note to moderators: Laugh, it's funny!)

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    2. Re:basic scripting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It was replaced by the "Sun Experience" which requires 30MB of core for your Java macro virus needs.

    3. Re:basic scripting by archen · · Score: 1

      Damn... and it's even cross platform!

      Eat THAT MS!

    4. Re:basic scripting by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (Note to moderators: Laugh, it's funny!)

      No, it's not :)

    5. Re:basic scripting by Micah · · Score: 2

      It's pretty good, although the documentation could be better.

      Could be better? I've been searching for it, and the ONLY thing I've been able to find in it at all is a blurb in the help about writing a Calc function with the Basic IDE!

      Nothing whatsoever about the language, or what it can do, or the object structure of the documents.

      I'd like to find this stuff out so I can dig into it.

      Anyone know how it compares with Microsoft's VBA? The IDE looks OK on the surface -- it has color syntax highlighting, breakpoints, and watches! But some docs are more than a little necessary.

  36. Java is required to compile it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    It is partly written in java, it _requires_ java to start the build process.

    Ive tried to compile openoffice on 3 seperate occasions using only free software (as packaged by debian), unfortunately ive never managed to compile it.

    As far as i know there isnt a JDK thats free and capable of compiling open office.

    1. Re:Java is required to compile it by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 1

      don't you mean "Free", since the Sun and IBM JDKs are "free"

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    2. Re:Java is required to compile it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Ok.

      I if I download the 111 MB source code I will have to download another file of a similar size (the JDK) to compile it?

      Yeah, right. Binaries for me.

    3. Re:Java is required to compile it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      it's free as in beer from Sun's website. Size largely depends on your OS and whether you choose the runtime only or the full developer kit.

    4. Re:Java is required to compile it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Remember, size is no guarantee of quality.

    5. Re:Java is required to compile it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      No, there's just one "free" that stands for freedom. Which does refer to price is just a shortened derivation of the first one (freedom to obtain, no matter the money).

  37. What databases does it convert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Can I crack open an access file in this? I don't see a dB solution in it.

    1. Re:What databases does it convert? by eclectric · · Score: 1

      It can open some text-based flat databases, such as comma delimited or tab delimited files, but it does not have an Access-like program.

      Indeed, the "default" home version of Office doesn't even come with Access, because Access is a *very* large product compared to all the other ones in the suite.

      I too have been looking for a good desktop database that I can use in Linux (and hopefully in windows too), but so far the best bet is phpmyadmin on top of a mysql database.

    2. Re:What databases does it convert? by Salsaman · · Score: 1
      Well, it's not free, but Star Office comes with a database (Adabase). I've not tried it myself, so I'm not sure how compatible it is with MS Access.

    3. Re:What databases does it convert? by quinto2000 · · Score: 1

      Have you tried MySql Navigator?

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    4. Re:What databases does it convert? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, with OpenOffice.org, you dont really need phpmyadmin for most database work. OpenOffice.org offers an interface similar to Access in filter design, table construction etc, and can hook directly into most databases, but certainly MySQL.

    5. Re:What databases does it convert? by arkane1234 · · Score: 1

      and if it can get into mysql, you can use the odbc connectivity to get into any other database.

      Just a matter of semantics.

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  38. Binary size: Linux vs win32 by bruceg · · Score: 1

    Why such the large difference between binary sizes? The Linux version weighs in at ~ 66.6MB, wheras the win32 comes in around 48.9MB. I usually find the oposite to be true with linux v. win32 binaries.

    1. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by mobets · · Score: 1

      I'm still wondering what the solver is and why it is 104MB.

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    2. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by mikey504 · · Score: 2, Insightful

      A Win32 environment provides a much more limited range of choices with respect to GUI managers, printing solutions, etc. There are services provided by the OS that you can more or less rely on being present and functional- print preview code, windows and buttons, et al. This consistency allows for the dynamic linking of a lot of stuff.

      Flip to Linux-- there is a huge array of choices for window managers, printing, etc. So the developers have to choose between putting out several diffeent dynamically linked versions that use external library code, or one larger statically linked version.

      I believe, in the interst of ease of support, maintnenance, and installation for the newbies, the binary is statically linked. Even if it weren't, there is a lot of code provided at the OS level in Win32 that you can't necessarily rely on in a Unix environment.

      People who want the most efficient use of resources (disk space. et al) always have the option of compiling from source-- at least with Open Office they do.

    3. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by rongage · · Score: 1

      The Linux version is larger due to the presence of the GUI widget library (SOL). On Win32, OOo uses the internal MS widget set.

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    4. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by Dcf · · Score: 1

      The solver is the results of the build. It's provided so that you can build individual OOo projects without having to build everything upon which they depend.

      Dunc

    5. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by IamTheRealMike · · Score: 2

      Do you know if they're planning to move their widget lib to Qt or GTK?

    6. Re:Binary size: Linux vs win32 by spitzak · · Score: 2
      Actually the "window manager" is not the culprit. A program can rely on the existence of a window manager, and the interface to window managers is standard.

      Probably the code is GUI widgets (although if you are writing portable code you will need to put a lot of stuff on Win32 to get a layer that is reasonable portable) and printer stuff such as fonts that can be asssummed to exist on Windows.

  39. Dude, OpenOffice Is Smooth (An Impress Review) by BRock97 · · Score: 5, Informative
    Please note, it is first thing here in the central part of the US and my brain doesn't normally work as well. So, read at your own risk...

    Until recently, I had been running Win2k on my Toshiba laptop due to a need for good presentation software (heck, when you work for the US Air Force, it is either Powerpoint or you don't do your job...). Well, the need to do some web/sql development pushed me to put Source Mage Linux on the ol' workhorse. Needless to say, I needed some presenation software.

    Enter OpenOffice. I had looked at Koffice, but I didn't want to run a full blown desktop environment (currently, I am running X 4.2 with E) and the dependencies to get Koffice up were huge. I had read about OpenOffice and was pretty pumped that would be the solution. I had no idea.

    As I said above, Powerpoint was my main concern, but to a lesser extent, Excel since I import a lot of spreadsheet activity into my presentation. So, I get OpenOffice installed and I pull out my last ppt file from a recent meeting and go to work. First thing I noticed is that it takes OpenOffice a while to start. I am not quite sure what to contribute this to, as my system is a Celery 650 with 192 meg of ram. Once it has been loaded, though, it appears to be cached since it starts very fast there after. Next, it loaded my Powerpoint file, something from Powerpoint 2000. It takes a little while, something that doesn't really surprise me since I have quite a few Excel tables imbedded in the show. After about 25 seconds, it is up.

    The first thing I notice about the presentation is that it looks great! In presentation mode, the slides are clear and the text is even anti-aliased. Doing a side by side comparison with my XP machine, I was actually more impressed by the Impress display. Great job there. Next, I went to one of the many Excel objects and double clicked it. Boom, it loaded the Calc object in the presentation and I was able to edit the spreadsheet like Powerpoint/Excel. Too damn impressive.

    What else do I like.... hmmmmm:
    • I like the fact that what ever OpenOffice app you are in, you can open up any document. Very cool
    • My Word documents look as good in OpenOffice. Very nice.
    • The desktop thing is gone. Thank God...
    • I am sure there is more, but I have just started playing...
    If you can, go and help out these people. It is good stuff...
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    1. Re:Dude, OpenOffice Is Smooth (An Impress Review) by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      File loading takes a bit longer because it has to parse the XML format. There are so many advantages to having a cool, open, human readable (although zipped) file format though.

      Thanks for the kind words, we need all sorts of people. If you can't devlop (and I can't) then come along and help in the marketing project.

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    2. Re:Dude, OpenOffice Is Smooth (An Impress Review) by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      I don't have any problems with the speed of the software on a PII 550. I must agree with you though. The software is VERY impressive. I have been putting it through all sorts of tests at work. It handles DOC files like a dream. I have been able to open them, and resave them as DOC files that MSOffice seems to also like. I occasionally have problems with DOC files that use complex tables and such, but I really think that this would satisfy 90% of people that use it. Let's not forget to mention just how flexible it is with it's native formats. Every Excel file that I have opened has worked PERFECTLY. I have saved them after making changes to the file, and Excel can open them up perfectly. Once again, the native OpenOffice format is just as flexible as what Excel can be with it's own format, but the OpenOffice software has no problems with Excel files at all.

      This is perhaps one of the greatest peices of Open Source software that I have seen for some time. I can guarantee that this is going to be big... Really big.

    3. Re:Dude, OpenOffice Is Smooth (An Impress Review) by 13Echo · · Score: 1

      Oh yeah, and I forgot to mention that Impress is pretty slick too. It doesn't have an issue with PowerPoint files at all, and the rendering is gorgeous. Even sound effects work great.

  40. So YOU'RE the reason by Subcarrier · · Score: 1

    ...it was so slow!

    Now the Google box with the cached page seems to be slashdotted as well. :-)

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  41. download install or solver? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    Which one should I download for linux? The install file or the solver file? They're both huge, and I can't get to the instructions at openoffice.org. Oh, and I'd love it if someone responded asap so I can get to an unburdened mirror site quickly.

    1. Re:download install or solver? by caolan · · Score: 3, Informative

      Install file, the solver is a collection of prebuilt object files and similiar development stuff to speed up development, not required (or desirable) for casual user install.

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  42. Get yer mirrors right here by jdfox · · Score: 5, Informative

    Courtesy of good ol' Google:

    Sunsite.dk HTTP, Denmark -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Qkaka HTTP, China P.R. -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Utwente HTTP/FTP, Netherlands -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Planet Mirror HTTP, Australia -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    VLSM HTTP/FTP, Indonesia -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    E4A HTTP, Italy -
    English and italian binaries.
    Edumail HTTP, Belgium -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Giganet HTTP, Hungary -
    Mirror with sources, binaries.
    GD TU Wien HTTP/FTP, Austria -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Stud FHT-Esslingen FTP, Germany -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    3Way FTP, Hong Kong, China P.R. -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    RWTH-Aachen FTP, Germany -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files (german, french, english).
    PWR Wroc FTP, Poland -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Sunsite Cnlab-Switch FTP, Switzerland -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files (german, french, english).
    CHG FTP, Russia -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Mirror AC HTTP, United Kingdom -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Unam FTP, Mexico -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files.
    Stardiv FTP, Germany -
    Complete mirror with sources, binaries and contrib files (german, french, english).

    Thanks OpenOffice team!

    1. Re:Get yer mirrors right here by bconway · · Score: 2

      Awesome. For the record, it appears both http://openoffice.e4a.it/1.0.0/ and ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packag es/OpenOffice/1.0.0/ have it. I pulled it off the former at a decent speed.

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  43. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by u01000101 · · Score: 1

    Why do you think I said "still"? :-)
    Anyway, I finished my download at 4kb/s, down from 65kb/s for the first 25Mb or so - but it went ok. I learnt from past mistakes and didn't post the link until I was 90% with my download. ;-)

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  44. Completing the Linux desktop by twfry · · Score: 1

    This release will probably do more to promote open source software than most people think. Up until now not having a solid suit of MS Office applications on Linux was the real barrier to most users and/or forced people maintain a Windows installation. As much as I dislike the MS machine, they do create great applications. But with OpenOffice I think it will be much easier for people to make the switch off of Windows.

    1. Re:Completing the Linux desktop by platypus · · Score: 2

      Yes, I also suspect (hope), that we all underestimate the importance of Open Office.
      It might be, that in the long term, Open Office might be worse for MS than java (was it bad for MS at all? ... I think so).

      Open Office is _not_ "only" about and office package, it's much more. It has a standardized, documented, cross plattform API (as far as I read) and bindings are beginning to get developed for different languages (I know of a python one). IIRC the name of the API is UNO.

      What does that mean? It means that we (non-MS developers) now finally have a quite good possibility to do something on the server side which was quite difficult/impossible before.
      Think content/document management systems, (MS) office integration for intranet publishing etc.

      If the open source community gets to speed with this and integrates the open office API in products like zope, midgard etc., we will have an enormously strong contender against proprietary systems like SiteServer etc. "Oh, and our doc.management system will automagically convert your clobbert MS-Office documents in a fully open , future proof XML-standard compliant format."

      And this is still an very interesting market ...

  45. Brainstorm for OpenOffice by mikosullivan · · Score: 5, Interesting
    I had a brainstorm this morning about OpenOffice. I'd be interested to hear what /.er's think.

    The problem:: One of the big complaints about moving to OSS is that people insist that they need to be able to exchange MS Word documents with other people around the country. Now, I hate sending or receiving Word docs when typing the text in the email would work just as well, but some people seem to only communicate by sending Word docs as attachments. Of course, OpenOffice can read from and write to Word format, but natively it writes to its own open format, and its a hassle to constantly save-as just to send a document as an attachment.

    Solution: develop a mail server module that uses OpenOffice. When a mail going out of the network has an OpenOffice word processing document attached, the module automatically creates a version of the document converted to MS Word and adds it as an attachment. Conversely, mail coming into the network automatically converts Word->OpenOffice adds the attachments. By default, documents sent internally in the network (for some flexible definition of "internally") are not converted. A nice added touch would be to allow users to have their own settings on when conversions should be done. They could set users or entire domains who don't get conversions, choose to have documents substituted instead of added, etc.

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    1. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by the_2nd_coming · · Score: 2, Informative

      easier.

      Have the installation program ask you what you want as your default save formats.

      if you do not mix with Ofice folk, then you can use OO files, if oyu do, then you can use MS files.

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    2. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Unfortunately, the idiots who would want to send around MS Word attachments wouldn't be smart enough to utilize such a set-up anyway.

    3. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by 1u3hr · · Score: 1
      Solution: develop a mail server module that uses OpenOffice. When a mail going out of the network has an OpenOffice word processing document attached, the module automatically creates a version of the document converted to MS Word and adds it as an attachment. Conversely, mail coming into the network automatically converts Word->OpenOffice adds the attachments

      Add an option to convert Word attachments to plain text (or some form of rich text if you choose) and paste them into the mail message. Alternatively convert Word docs to RTF.

      I do something like this manually with Eudora: view the attached Word doc in Quickview, select all, copy, open the mail message and click the pencil to modify it, paste int the text, which invariably is a couple of paragraphs that didn't need to be in a Word file.

    4. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The same people that spread viruses ad infinitum
      on the web.
      The same people that think the cdrom is nice cup
      holder in a pinch.
      Surely they can be trained. Surely

    5. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by alexmeaden · · Score: 1

      If you were smart enough to read properly, you would know that it is the OpenOffice users' mail server that would do the conversion - automatically.

    6. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Geckoman · · Score: 1

      Yet another option would be to attach the installer, too, and suggest that they use Open Office instead of MS Office. I love the irony of spreading Open Office like it was an Outlook worm!

      Heck, a 50 MB installer isn't a whole lot bigger than some Word documents I've seen!

      Alternatively, just put a link with download instructions in the body of the email message.

    7. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by mikosullivan · · Score: 1
      Heck, a 50 MB installer isn't a whole lot bigger than some Word documents I've seen!

      A quick search reveals that my biggest Word document is... 11 megs, but I don't do a lot of Word. Hmmm, you may be on to something. :-)

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    8. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Here is an idea for a quick project that someone who has a bit of experience and is willing to put in some care and time might be able to use to make some money.

      You need to figure out only the most basic stuff about installing apache on windows, a single simple cgi script, and a little VB to interface to Office.

      Put together a webpage running on the apache server, which is installed on a machine with the latest Office on it, that allows one to submit a file via a web form, and the script looks at it and runs it into Office, does the "Save as" to a more open format such as rtf or csv or whatever is appropriate, and provides the user back with a link to the converted document, which can be cashed on the system for a while. Secondary features could be the ability to convert from rtf to doc for those especially obstinate clients, and the ability to run a .doc into the system and not convert it, but simply delete all macros (as a de-viruser).

      Distribute only the cgi/VB stuff and the free software, of course, and the user should supply his own windows and Office.

      There are lots of people working mainly on linux who would greatly appreciate being able to use one windows box somewhere in the basement to replace the need of dozens of machines rebooting occasionaly just to translate or print a proprietary format.

      Some of us would gladly send you $20 for a CD or a tshirt or something, even though of course most people would just download it and never even thank you, except maybe in a bug report . . . but if you could put together something like this in a couple of weekends, you might make a few hundred or a thousand dollars from the few. If you are unemployed or need a project for some course or another, consider this.

    9. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Thing+1 · · Score: 1
      easier.

      Have the installation program ask you what you want as your default save formats.

      Actually, that's not easier. Your solution involves the admin touching every desktop to implement.

      I really like the original idea, because then it doesn't matter who installed OpenOffice/MS Office, or how it was installed -- documents that fly around the mail system will automatically be converted into the proper form for that organization.

      If the filters are good enough, of course.

      My preference is automation, especially when dealing with over 100 desktops.

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    10. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by HunterA3 · · Score: 1

      You could just set your OOo to save in MS file formats as the default until more users start catching on to OOo and SO6. Then switch back and start forcing all the non OOo/SO6 adapters to download and start using OOs/SO6 over MS Office. Hopefully by that time they'll have a Mac version available for download.

    11. Re:Brainstorm for OpenOffice by Geckoman · · Score: 1

      Heh heh. "A whole lot bigger" being defined as "approximately 75% larger" in this case. ;-)

      The particular file I was thinking of is a 250 page instruction manual with lots of tables and screenshots, and to be honest I think it usually tops out at around 30 MB. Hardly typical of what most users would have in Word, not to mention send as email attachments, but probably not too terribly unusual for Word power users. (Of which I am not one, I just help proofread the thing once or twice a year.)

      I'm planning on using Open Office on my home computer. I need a suite that will talk to MS Office at work, but I can't afford (or, more precisely, am unwilling) to spend $150+ on something that I'll use only occassionally for basic stuff.

  46. Gee, that went way faster than Mozilla :-) by Pflipp · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    Now to rewrite it from scratch...

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  47. released on International Labour Day by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Happy International Labour Day! May Microsoft be dismembered, its pieces sold off, and its file formats opened forever.

    1. Re:released on International Labour Day by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      Yes, I thought someone might notice this! It's not intentional though. OpenOffice.org were aiming for a release earlier in the week but it too klonger than expected to clear up some desktop integration bugs.

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  48. SOTO office effect by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Is it possible that the recent release of SOT or SOTO offfice, the Open Office clone spurred the Open Office group to get it out? When I downloaded SOT office I wondered if Open Office would rush to minimimize the number of people getting hooked on SOT office before they were finished.

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    1. Re:SOTO office effect by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      No, it's not. Nice idea though. As far as OpenOffice.org are concerned the more people using the open file formats and API's the better.

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    2. Re:SOTO office effect by canajien · · Score: 1

      I think they were just waiting for May-Day... revolutionary thinking, is it not :)

    3. Re:SOTO office effect by Gyorg_Lavode · · Score: 1

      Thankyou for the Reply Mr. Richards. I"m sorry to cast doubt on such a fine product. It was just some speculation and the date I admit had excaped me. And I should have been more eliquent in my speaking, but I was rushing out the door. Congradulations on the release of what will hopefully be the premier office suite for Linux and cross platform use if not for all platforms.

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  49. Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by dara · · Score: 2, Interesting

    I've played with OO a bit over several betas and did have stability problems (on both MS and Mandrake 8.1). I'm excited to try 1.0, since I'm very bullish on the format even if the execution hasn't worked perfectly for me so far.

    By far the number one feature I would like to see added is a "save as PDF" which is as efficient as Framemaker. When I try the procedure outlined for windows (download a Postscript driver from Adobe, print to file, and use Ghostscript to convert), I get unbelievably huge files, as opposed to smaller files. It would also be nice to have a PDF target with links which is impossible going through .ps formats I think.

    What is everyone else's number one requested feature?

    Dara (hmmm - have to learn how to start a new thread)

    1. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "I get unbelievably huge files, as opposed to smaller files"

      Glad you explained that - for a minute there i thought you were getting unbelievably huge files as opposed to even more unbelievably huge files!

    2. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by tweek · · Score: 2, Informative

      http://www.lusis.org/modules.php?op=modload&name=N ews&file=article&sid=44

      Here's hoping slashdot doesn't fuck up the link.

      If you're running a linux workstation, it's even easier but if you happen to have a linux firewall or just one on your network, it'll get the job done.

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    3. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by Alien54 · · Score: 3, Informative
      By far the number one feature I would like to see added is a "save as PDF" which is as efficient as Framemaker

      check out http://www.pdf995.com.

      This is a free pdf file producer.

      read the docs, requires the Apple Laser II NT printer driver.

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    4. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by dara · · Score: 1

      Glad you explained that - for a minute there i thought you were getting unbelievably huge files as opposed to even more unbelievably huge files!

      I should have posted numbers instead, but I don't have them handy anymore. The following is apples and oranges, but ... I have two files in front of me representing a single slide in a technical presentation. The ratio in size of .fm/.pdf is 1M/10k. Granted a lot of that is probably heavy compression of a picture. So that is what I meant by saying save as PDF in Framemaker makes files smaller. I don't remember how much bigger they got using Openoffice, Adobe's print driver, and ghostscript, but it was at least 5:1. I could be doing something very wrong of course.

      I checked out the links tweek and Alien54 posted and they look interesting. I'll try those strategies and see if I get a better result. If so, perhaps I can recommend PDF solutions on OO mailing lists.

      Thanks, Dara

    5. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by DeeKayWon · · Score: 3, Informative

      The Tektronix Phaser 300i driver for Windows produces nice Postscript output that, when converted using Ghostscript, produces very small PDFs. Using it, I turned a 1800kB Word document (with many diagrams) to a 144kB PDF.

    6. Re:Excellent! - Hoping for real save as PDF in 1.1 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      easiest way current is to save to html and use the free HTMLDOC to convert it to PDF. No ghostscript or ps print driver required to install.

  50. Great step forward for the OSS/FS community by hettb · · Score: 0
    Hopefully this will help to make Linux(or *BSD) on the desktop a reality; with OpenOffice's working support for the various Microsoft file formats, it should make the transition over to open source operating systems a lot more attractive for quite a number of users.

    Personally, I have been using OpenOffice (v 0.641) on NetBSD for quite a while now and I have only good things to say about this extraordinary piece of Free Software.

    I would like to know, though, whether support for/integration with one or both of the important free desktop environments (KDE, Gnome) is planned, or already in 1.0? Also, does the new version have anti-aliasing, and if so, do I need Gtk 2.0/Qt 2.3? The OpenOffice website seems to be slashdotted, so could anyone please answer these questions for me?

  51. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Informative

    Yes! Besides the fact that OpenOffice will open MS files, there is an excellent AUTOPILOT function which will batch process all of them and turn them into StarOffice/OpenOffice files. I transferred about 400 old MS Office documents this way in a matter of minutes -- and the documents stayed perfectly formatted. Check it out.

  52. Which commercial product is next? by Semaphore · · Score: 1

    Last time I remember Microsoft was the one using "free" to kill Netscapes position in the browser market. Maybe we are looking at OSS to do the same and proving itself to be not a single bit better than MS, when will the target be companies other than Microsoft that also happen to make profits and money on the new commodity called software that should be supposed to grow on trees and be free for all of people on earth?
    Many people ARE working as software engineers for software companies. Take a look at http://www.bls.gov/oco/ocos110.htm#employment

    Computer programmers held about 585,000 jobs in 2000. Programmers are employed in almost every industry, but the largest concentration is in the computer and data processing services industry, which includes firms that write and sell software.

    1. Re:Which commercial product is next? by subgeek · · Score: 2, Insightful

      i don't think it is about putting people out of work. i can only speak for myself, but i think it is good that people can code for a living. i don't think open source is going to kill the programming profession.

      your quote doesn't prove that most people who code write commercial software. but it does say that people who write commercial software are included in the largest group of professional coders, the computer and data processing services industry. this could also include tech support, firmware, and companies like SAP that basically write customer specific code for each application. so there is both consumer and corporate level programming in this "largest concentration."

      i think the fuss about MS Office is that it is very expensive ($500.00 to buy it outright - not the upgrade). it is expensive because most people in the business world have to use it. if your software is not compatible, you have deviated from the standard in the business world. demand increases value.

      also, Sun does plan to make money on this. Sun will soon be releasing Star Office 6.0. Star Office will cost money. though there was community input into Open Office, Sun also paid people to work on it. Sun is paying people to write the extra code going into Star Office. this strategy builds community support, gives you a great free alternative, and produces a quality commercial product. it may not be perfect, but it is a fairly elegant compromise of making money and supporting open source and the community in general (even outside open source).

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    2. Re:Which commercial product is next? by Gaurang · · Score: 0


      I totally agree to whatever you said.

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    3. Re:Which commercial product is next? by Clsid · · Score: 1

      You don't fully understand what this is all about. Office software is so necessary that it has become as standard as a clip in the office. Microsoft is the only one who controls that market now and is charging a tremendous amount of money of a software that hasn't really seen so much improvement IMHO since Office 95. So OpenOffice really adds value to everything since commercial software would have to be much better than just a revamped interface and animated assistants.

      And I agree with the previous post that is not about having people without jobs, but changing the way we use (and sell) software. The money comes from customers wanting custom solutions, deployment contracts, good support options and posibbly add-ons to the software.

      Don't you think is ridiculous to charge a company for a license of a software as many times as they have computers?.

      The other important factor here is that it is open source. Better software can be developed on top of this so it's better for everybody. Not having to reinvent the wheel is really useful for the creative minds of programmers.

  53. Microsoft DOS? by jea6 · · Score: 0, Troll

    I'll bet US$100 that Microsoft is bombarding OpenOffice's servers with requests...both to keep them offline AND maybe to learn something in the process :-)

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    1. Re:Microsoft DOS? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      version 7.0 of Microsoft DOS was a fantastic OS.
      Oh, you mean denial Of Service
      just block all requests from micrsoft.com
      0.0.0.0 microsoft.com bastards
      0.0.0.0 ads.doubleclick.com bastards

  54. Anyone planning on posting it on a Usenet NG? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Just wondering... 'twould be nice. A nice, relatively simple (use PAR files), easy way to spread it around.

  55. Thanks! by supabeast! · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Along with all the talk of mirrors, performace, bugs, etc., we all need to make sure and thank the following people:

    - StarDivision, for creating StarOffice in the first place.
    - Sun Microsystems, for buying StarDivision and opening the StarOffice source code.
    - Everyone who worked on the development of OpenOffice, coders, testers, web admins, and so on.
    - All the government, business, and educational facilities out there who continue to mirror the files for us all to download!

    These people have done a great job providing the open source community with one of the best apps out there. No matter how much we bitch, moan, and flame, remember that we only care because we love what you do so damned much!

    1. Re:Thanks! by dannywalk · · Score: 1

      Does anyone know if anmy of the old StarDivision developers are working on OpenOffice now? Did SUn hire any of them? Just wondered.

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    2. Re:Thanks! by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      AFAIK almost all of the old stardivision devloers are still working in hamburg on the OpenOffice.org source project.

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    3. Re:Thanks! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      but will the government, business, and educational facilities now use OO and dump/not purchase MSOFFICE?

      Schools could save BILLIONS$

  56. try ps2pdf by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In linux, just setup a postscript printer within oo, and print your doc to file. Then run ps2pdf using that file as input and a pdf name as output.

  57. Bug check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Was the focus problem under Gnome fixed?

    1. Re:Bug check by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yep!

    2. Re:Bug check by Brackney · · Score: 1

      It is! It is! That was the only thing keeping me from enjoying 641d. Now I may be able to retire 5.2!

      Thanks to the entire OpenOffice team for this wonderful contribution!!!

  58. OpenOffice v1 vs. SOT Office 2k by VisualThoy · · Score: 0

    Which do you prefer? Anyone notice which suite is the most MS compatible? Im not really a big time office suite user, so i just wanted to know what the serious office users think.

    1. Re:OpenOffice v1 vs. SOT Office 2k by nedrichards · · Score: 2, Informative

      SOT Office is merely a slightly older version of OpenOffice.org. I'm sure that the source updates will be included in the Bundles Of Helpful Fixes soon.

      Get SOT if you want commercial support otherwise OOo will always be more up to date.

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  59. great, but... by Kernel+Monkey · · Score: 1

    ...worthless for schools with a large mac investment (like the one i work for).

    i know mac os 7.6 through mac os 9 aren't easy ports, but we have macs around that will never run os x, yet will still be in active use 5-10 years from now. it's just the way things have to be for cash-strapped schools.

    right now, m$ office and appleworks are the only viable choices. appleworks is out because it's not cross-platform. an oss alternative for all our old, crusty macs would be great.

    1. Re:great, but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm pretty sure those older Macs don't have the cajones to run Open Office properly.

      Basically, unless you have 128 MB of RAM or more you're looking at one SLOW ass app.

    2. Re:great, but... by tps12 · · Score: 2

      You should probably install Linux or a BSD on those to make them useful. Some of the lighter weight *nix office apps (tho probably not OO) should run.

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  60. Is there... by skribe · · Score: 2

    an upgrade route available from SO5.2?

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  61. damnit!! by gonar · · Score: 2

    I just upgraded to 641d THIS MORNING!!!

    hate when that happens.

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  62. Pre built Linux boxes with mozilla Open Office by weycrest · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Ok I don't know what the hardware requirements are to run OO, but strikes some business types could knock out
    pre installed linux pc's with Open Office already installed on second user equipment for little more than the cost of the Microsoft Office 'tax.' I'm sure stuff like this really sell Linux to joe public now...

  63. Configuration tips: margins by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 3, Informative

    For some odd reason, in earlier versions we never really had full control over our default margins. One thing that may help a bit is .../spadmin. This will allow you to change your default paper. For some reason it is set to A4 instead of US Letter. I don't live in the US, but still. In the previous stable version, you can now finally have equal margins all the way around.

    I don't know what version 1.0 is like. I hope that what I said helps you guys.

    1. Re:Configuration tips: margins by fizban · · Score: 1

      History cannot be proven by science. By definition, history is not repeatable.

      If you do not learn from history, you are doomed to repeat it, ipso facto, we can use science to learn from history.

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    2. Re:Configuration tips: margins by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Historical events are not repeatable. *Types* of historical events are repeatable. We have seen that people die in history. Can they die again at the same point in time?

      Science cannot *prove* history. We can use logic to clear out false information, and science can help. However science can't prove that an event happened. To prove that an event happened using science, you'd have to make it repeatable.

    3. Re:Configuration tips: margins by fizban · · Score: 1

      I was making a joke.

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    4. Re:Configuration tips: margins by lubricated · · Score: 2, Informative

      found this while perusing the openoffice mailing lists, hope it helps. First create a document. Make changes. Then click File - Templates - Save. Save it somewhere. Then click File - Templates - Organizer, find your saved template, you may need to double click on a folder. Right click on your template and click set as default template. Hope this helps, it saved me much time and frustration.

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    5. Re:Configuration tips: margins by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Oh, okay. Thanks for pointing that out. I thought that you might have been trolling! :^)

      Thanks for the joke.

      I don't have a very good sense of humour. You'll see that if you look through the threads about that ringing in the ears. I made a joke and some guy actually replied each rhetorical question. I explained that I was joking and thanked him for his time. :^)

    6. Re:Configuration tips: margins by pointwood · · Score: 2

      Probably because StarOffice was made in Germany first and in Europe (well at least here in Denmark where I live), we use A4 as the standard document format. I have no idea what size the US Letter format is...just because you Americans use all sorts of wierd formats doesn't mean that the rest of the world have to use them ;) :p

    7. Re:Configuration tips: margins by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      :^)

      It's even worse than you think. I live in Canada, and we use US Letter size. It is 8.5 inches by 11.5 inches.

    8. Re:Configuration tips: margins by pointwood · · Score: 2

      If I only knew what a inch was :)

  64. Talk about coincidence... by Quila · · Score: 2, Funny

    I haven't had anything to do with OpenOffice so far. I just now decide for the first time to go there and download it, turns out it's now 1.0 and it's been Slashdotted.

    Thanks to Slashdot for the links.

  65. WP and Quattro filters by smallmj · · Score: 1

    How I wish that there were filters available for wordperfect and Quattro pro. I'd really like to be able to import my files and templates. If I could, I might do the migration from WP Office 7.0 for my business work.

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    1. Re:WP and Quattro filters by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Spend a couple of quid on StarOffice 6.0 then...

    2. Re:WP and Quattro filters by nedrichards · · Score: 1

      There is a users project led by the City Of Largo in Florida to develop WordPerfect filters. Check out the OOoDocs site for more info.

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  66. M$ and Piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

    I wonder whether M$ would prefer us to pirate OfficeXP or avoid it alltogether and get OOo..

    1. Re:M$ and Piracy by acebone · · Score: 1

      Oh - they wan't you to pirate MSOffice, if homeusers pirates MSO they'll know the product thus making it more of a 'standard'

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  67. More mirrors by jdfox · · Score: 2, Informative

    Oops, sorry, there appear to be some broken links on that last mirror list, should've checked them all I guess.
    Here's what looks like a more authoritative list, from Google's cache of the 641d build page:
    Australia FTP/HTTP - http://planetmirror.com/pub/openoffice/
    Austria HTTP - http://gd.tuwien.ac.at/office/openoffice/ (de, fr)
    Austria FTP - ftp://gd.tuwien.ac.at/office/openoffice/ (de, fr)
    Belgium FTP - ftp://openoffice.vosberg.be (de, nl)
    Belgium HTTP http://www.edumail.be/index.php/static/openoffice (de, nl)
    China P.R. HTTP http://office.qkaka.com/ (All listed localizations)
    Denmark HTTP http://mirrors.sunsite.dk/openoffice/(da)
    Denmark FTP ftp://sunsite.dk/mirrors/openoffice/ (da)
    Finland HTTP http://www.kongogroup.com/openoffice/oo.asp (fi-only?)
    Germany FTP ftp://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openoffice/ (de)
    Germany HTTP http://ftp.gwdg.de/pub/misc/openoffice/ (de)
    Germany FTP ftp://sunsite.informatik.rwth-aachen.de/pub/packag es/OpenOffice/ (de, fr)
    Germany FTP ftp://openoffice.tu-bs.de/OpenOffice.org/641c/ (de, fr)
    Germany FTP ftp://ftp-stud.fht-esslingen.de/pub/Mirrors/ftp.op enoffice.org/ (de, fr)
    Germany FTP ftp://ftp.stardiv.de/pub/OpenOffice.org/ (de, fr, es, sv, pt, zh-cn, zh-tw)
    Hungary FTP/HTTP http://office.fsf.hu/letoltes.html (hu)
    Iceland FTP ftp://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/OpenOffice
    Iceland HTTP http://ftp.rhnet.is/pub/OpenOffice
    Indonesia HTTP http://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/win32split/
    Indon esia FTP ftp://sapi.vlsm.org/openoffice/win32split/
    Italy FTP/HTTP http://openoffice.e4a.it/ (it)
    Mexico FTP ftp://mirrors.unam.mx/pub/OpenOffice/
    Netherlands FTP ftp://borft.student.utwente.nl (nl)
    Netherlands HTTP http://borft.student.utwente.nl/openoffice/ (nl)
    Netherlands HTTP http://niihau.student.utwente.nl/openoffice/ (nl)
    Poland FTP ftp://ftp.openoffice.pl/ (pl; NOTE: please use an FTP client program if your browser doesn't download the files)
    Spain FTP ftp://ftp.cyberfenix.net/pub/openoffice(ca, es)
    Spain HTTP http://ftp.cyberfenix.net (ca, es)
    Spain HTTP http://ftp.rediris.es/ftp/mirror/openoffice.org/ (ca, es)
    Spain FTP ftp://ftp.rediris.es/mirror/openoffice.org (ca, es)
    Sweden FTP http://ftp.sunet.se/pub/Office/OpenOffice.org/ (sv)
    Switzerland FTP ftp://sunsite.cnlab-switch.ch/mirror/OpenOffice/ (de, fr)
    U.K. HTTP http://www.mirror.ac.uk/sites/ny1.mirror.openoffic e.org/
    U.S.A. FTP ftp://ftp.mn-linux.org/linux/openoffice(Linux only)

  68. my mirror by gimpboy · · Score: 2

    hey.

    i made/in the process of making a mirror here:
    http://sage.che.pitt.edu/linux/sunsite.informatik. rwth-aachen.de/pub/packages/OpenOffice/1.0.0/
    i believe i have the linux files. the sun and windows will be there shortly.

    enjoy

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    1. Re:my mirror by jnana · · Score: 1

      Indeed. Thanks a million. I was getting 10 k from other sites, and managed to download the whole file from you in 5 minutes. thanks.

  69. FAST temporary mirror of Staroffice 1.0 by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
  70. Did they fix the regular expressions issue? by acoffee · · Score: 1

    One of the most useful things I found in StarOffice, was the ability to search for regular expressions, or to write formulas (like vlookup or sum.if) using regular expressions. I understand there were part of what got "left behind" when Sun decided to open the source code, for whatever legal reasons.
    Previous versions of OpenOffice (up to 641D) didn't have that functionality (despite appearing to have it, as checkboxes and other options would indicate).
    Any of the lucky few getting through the mirrors could confirm wether they fixed this? Otherwise is back to wating for StarOffice6 for me...

  71. wtf? ugly fonts? by Ender+Ryan · · Score: 2
    Ok, no one else seems to be complaining about this, so it must just be me, and my coworker.

    What is the deal with the fonts? They are friggin ugly! I assume it's just my system, but I'm using the default XFree86 fonts. Does it simply look like crap with the default fonts?

    Every other program I have looks just fine, but with OpenOffice all the fonts look terrible, the menus are nearly unreadable.

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  72. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you should install ttf fonts :)

    Then it will look fine

  73. Convert to RTF by crow · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Granted, I'm not a serious user of Word, but in my limited experience, RTF preserves all the formatting for most regular documents, and it works with word processors that don't handle Word files (like AppleWorks on my wife's old iMac).

    I would love to have a filter that watches for Word documents, checks to see if they use any of the weird features that RTF doesn't support, and if not, converts them to RTF.

    (*) RTF: "Rich Text Format"

  74. Available on Kazaa by doublem · · Score: 2

    I'm downloading it now, and as soon as it finishes I'm making it available via Kazaa (The lite version, which is something else I have available for download)

    Windows will be available first, mainly because my work machine runs Windows, and I'll be using it first.

    My default file associations at work and home are to open Word and Excel docs in OpenOffice. I don't even use MS Office unless I need to run some VBA macros embedded in the file.

    This means I can open e-mailed Office files with impunity! Mwhahahaha (And yes, I do know how to tell the difference between real Word files and files with a myfile.doc.exe style filename)

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  75. OpenOffice 6.0^H^H^H1.0 by WhyDoubt · · Score: 1

    Maybe now that it is actually out, even though the name was official over a month ago, people will stop referring to it as OpenOffice 6.0.

    1. Re:OpenOffice 6.0^H^H^H1.0 by nusuth · · Score: 1

      Perhaps they will also notice the real name for the project and product: OpenOffice.org

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  76. Default Save to MS? by Thnurg · · Score: 1

    Goannae no dae that? (Don't do that).
    Firstly, OpenOffice does an excellent job of importing and exporting MS file formats, but the file formats are still secret and proprietary, so OpenOffice will not do a perfect job.
    Secondly, if you're sharing documents then unless all parties AGREE to use DOC as the format to use then it is extremely rude to expect others to be able to read a proprietary format, no matter how popular it is.
    Until the day dawns that Open/StarOffice files are the standard then stick to text, html, rtf or pdf for sending out documents.

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  77. Here are the MD5sums by pepik_knize · · Score: 2, Informative

    Since I had trouble getting them after downloading, here they are:

    OpenOffice.org MD5sums

    2002-04-30

    24b64e79509f4e6b4e458fe35f82c762 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_LinuxIntel_install.tar.gz
    4e64260ed39c81e895551364e25d3258 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_LinuxIntel_solver.tar.gz
    f29b608ebc5512401f3c315475f4593c 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_Win32Intel_install.zip
    67bf15ac86aaf3a09e334661d4cbe49e 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_SolarisSparc_install.tar.gz
    f5dbcf74a3b025280a2afd3e5913da16 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_source.tar.bz2
    e40dfc192a7b963ea998619425316057 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_source.tar.gz
    6e96524d13a76e612715ab95f9607b68 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_SolarisSparc_solver.tar.gz
    a1b2339eeb66f0cacdbf878464c05628 1.0.0/OOo_1.0.0_Win32Intel_solver.zip

  78. Site is slashdotted by dh003i · · Score: 1, Redundant

    The link appears to be slashdotted already, as it produces an error page on my browser.

    Btw, something I don't understand about the slashdot effect. If slashdot can take all of these users who MUST have come to slashdot before following the link, how comes th sites to which slashdot links crash when slashdot users go there?

    1. Re:Site is slashdotted by Drachemorder · · Score: 2

      Slashdot has more bandwidth capacity than the sites that get victimized.

    2. Re:Site is slashdotted by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Downloading an entire office suite uses a bit more bandwidth than reading postings. ;)

    3. Re:Site is slashdotted by domc · · Score: 1

      The awesome power of the Linux & mod_perl combo!

      domc

  79. How much contribution from outside? by pubjames · · Score: 3, Interesting

    In less than two years, the OpenOffice.org community has grown to more than 10,000 volunteers,

    I would be really interested to know more about this. If anyone from OpenOffice can comment I'd love to hear you.

    How many external contributors actually make significant contributions? How many people (that don't work for Sun) are paid by their employers to contribute to this project? What proportion of new code (or documentation or whatever) comes from non-Sun people?

    I personally believe that Open Source represents a much superior development model to the way Microsoft uses, but I would like to hear how effective it is on this project.

    1. Re:How much contribution from outside? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just an example: I run a consulting business of my own on technology and linux. For me OO is strategic and I have committed resources of my company to have a OO in pt_BR ASAP.

      I really need a pt_BR version in order to develop OO expertise and build an install base in Brazil.

      As simple as that.

      Curioulsy and sadly, Brazil have 9 Million internet users, 5% of the county population, and Portugal has 10 Million people in the whole country. Nevertheless, focus is given to pt_PT instead of pt_BR in most OSS developments. A mistake MS cleverly avoid.

  80. Mail by Peyna · · Score: 2

    At least to me, having a good mail client is an important part of an Office Suite, but OpenOffice 1.0 is lacking. Is there something that I can use instead of MS Office that is pretty powerful? Also, are there any free/open source clients that interact well with Exchange Servers? (required for work). Thanks.

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    1. Re:Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Check out Ximian.com, which provides an excellent mail/scheduling/calender/etc client called EVOLUTION, and it should work with Exchange. See their "Connector" product as well for more info.

    2. Re:Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That might be reason enough to rearrange my partitions and turn the Win partition into a 'game partition' and the linux one into my workstation =] Thanks, I'll look into it.

    3. Re:Mail by vidarh · · Score: 2

      Try Evolution. It works great for mail via the IMAP server in Exchange and handles Outlook meeting invites reasonably well. Ximian in addition has a closed source addon called Ximian Connector which apparently gives you full access to the rest of the Exchange features.

    4. Re:Mail by brechin · · Score: 1

      Evolution is my regular e-mail client in Linux, and there is supposed to be some plugin/extension available from Ximian that allows it to interact with Exchange servers.

      Hope it helps.

    5. Re:Mail by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ximian Evolution is a very good email client - it is very similar to MS Outlook and even includes a calendar, etc.

    6. Re:Mail by skidmarx · · Score: 1

      Just yesterday I saw a pointer on The Register to a screenshot for the emailer in KDE 3.0 and I must say it was very very nice ...

      If you're interested, goto:

      http://www.theregister.co.uk/media/797.png

      Hope this helps ...
      Gregory L. Marx

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  81. a small step.. by pere · · Score: 2, Insightful

    MS Office almost doubles the price of a low price computer. In any business setting, you have to have it.

    Having an office suite that can read 95 percent of all Word documents is the first small step in overcoming this monopoly, but it is not enough. Even 99 percent compability is not enough. The cost of Office is high, but not so high that you risk having some of your documents destroyed.

    The .doc-monopoly will never be broken by someone making Word-clones that reads the format almost perfect. Sorry....

    Here is the only way to brake the monopoly(that I can think of):
    * Attack the weaknesses of the .doc-format. There are plenty of good reasons for saving your documents in XML-format instead of a proprietary, binary format.
    * Develop 1 - one - XML-based document standard. Here is the most important small step that OO is taking. Now we have to convince AbiWord, KWord ++ to use the same format 100 percent.
    * Start making plugins for Word that reads this format. Plugins that can be installed with one click if somebody recieves a document in XML. And plugins that allows the administrators to decide that this XML-based format should be default instead of .doc.

    Then you can introduce other programs that reads this format perfectly.

    1. Re:a small step.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "In any business setting, you have to have it". Completely untrue, especially when you see just how compatible OpenOffice is. This is also funny considering the issues between MS OFFICE's own different versions, where there are little tweaks and errors switching from Office 95 to 2000 to XP, etc., and yet companies manage to get through that.

      Under Linux, there is also a free PDF converter for OpenOffice (and other programs) which creates a perfect document that anyone with Adobe Acrobat Reader can see in its intended form.

      Regardless, these small issues in compatibility will be stumbling blocks in the short run, and I agree with the need for a WORD filter. But to say the .doc monopoly will "never" be broken, how long is never? For the rest of eternity? My guess is, a couple of years at most.

    2. Re:a small step.. by pere · · Score: 1

      My point was mainly that it is the .doc-monopoly and not the Word-monopololy that first needs to be broken. (and that OOs XML format is the first step)

      I live in a .doc world myself, and usually recieve 5-10 Word-document each day. Most of the time (thanks to OO, AbiWord, CodeWeavers Word-plugin and doc2pdf), I manage without Word.

      Still, if I did manage a large business where the main document format was .doc, I would choose a word processor that reads this format natively.

      ...if the main document exchange format was an open XML format, it wouldnt really matter what word processor was used....

  82. Broken multiuser install? by MiniChaz · · Score: 1

    Previously you could run "./setup -net" under linux to install a shared copy of the binaries to somewhere like "/opt/OpenOffice". This does not seem to work now as the permissions appear to be incorrect after the installation.

    Am I missing something or is it bust?

    1. Re:Broken multiuser install? by thunderbee · · Score: 1

      It's a network (multi-user) install by default. You have to ask for a single user install explicitely (try ./install --help)

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    2. Re:Broken multiuser install? by Brackney · · Score: 1

      Hmmm. I just did a net install, and had no problems w/ permissions when I did the local install in my user account.

    3. Re:Broken multiuser install? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You did afterwards run the install as the user using the software, right? You need to run /path/setup as the user you want to be using OOo and perform the "Workstation Install" that copies a few settings into your ~/.

  83. Describing OpenOffice by pubjames · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The Open Source community needs to be more aware of the power of the subtle use of language. Simple words can be a very effictive tool in changing the mindsets of Joe Public. Marketeers do it all the time.

    When talking about OpenOffice with Joe Public, be sure to use appropriate descriptive words.

    "I see you're still using traditional software on your computer, Bob. Don't you know that stuff is susceptible to Microsoft Outlook viruses? Have you tried Openoffice? It's free! It's free because it is developed using a leading-edge development method that's superior to the old-fashioned way that Microsoft develops software. Microsoft software is expensive because the conventional methods they use to create it are inefficient. That's why there are so many Microsoft viruses around. There aren't any OpenOffice viruses. Why don't you give it a try?"

    1. Re:Describing OpenOffice by SilentStrike · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I don't know... the geek in me wants all the marketting trash out of the window. The prevelance of viruses in microsoft software is probably due as much to the widespread usage (bigger target), and focus on usability rather than security (easier target) in it's software than in Free Software ("free software is only free if your time has no value"). That said, converting people to free software by spewing half truths just is just something I can't do.. it's like encouraging someone to buy a pentium 4 because it's clockspeed is high, or buy an athlon XP because it's obviously compatible with Microsoft XP, it's as much marketting as it is truth.

    2. Re:Describing OpenOffice by pubjames · · Score: 2

      Did I say anything that wasn't true?

      it's like encouraging someone to buy a pentium 4 because it's clockspeed is high, or buy an athlon XP because it's obviously compatible with Microsoft XP, it's as much marketting as it is truth.

      This is how the IT industry works.

    3. Re:Describing OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Great marketing-speak:

      "I see you're still using traditional software on your computer, Bob. Don't you know that stuff is susceptible to Microsoft Outlook viruses? Have you tried Openoffice? It's free! It's free because it is developed using a leading-edge development method that's superior to the old-fashioned way that Microsoft develops software. Microsoft software is expensive because the conventional methods they use to create it are inefficient. That's why there are so many Microsoft viruses around. There aren't any OpenOffice viruses. Why don't you give it a try?"

      All true, sort of, though perhaps not all the truth. How much of the truth can you tell to a person who isn't capable of comprehending, and will die to remain ignorant? With this sort of person, you have to tell the truth in the format they're willing to listen to, and hope that the message gets through the little filter which shuts down their brain in the presence of facts which threaten their ignorance.

    4. Re:Describing OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yes. you said "That's why there are so many Microsoft viruses around." because of the way office is developed. That is not true.

    5. Re:Describing OpenOffice by pubjames · · Score: 2

      yes. you said "That's why there are so many Microsoft viruses around." because of the way office is developed. That is not true.

      Well, I am sure if Microsoft developed their software using the kind of clean room programming that NASA uses, it would have fewer holes to exploit. Therefore, it is not untrue to say that the way MS develops makes it easier to develop viruses for their software. Hell, Bill Gates himself has recently told his developers that they need to pay more attention to security.

    6. Re:Describing OpenOffice by SilentStrike · · Score: 1

      It's free because it is developed using a leading-edge development method that's superior to the old-fashioned way that Microsoft develops software. Microsoft software is expensive because the conventional methods they use to create it are inefficient. That's why there are so many Microsoft viruses around. There aren't any OpenOffice viruses. Why don't you give it a try?

      While I generally prefer the open source style of development, it isn't really inherently better than closed source... just different.

      I don't know if your second highlighted section is trying to say that there are so many bugs in Microsoft software in general because it is closed source (it's arguable, Macs are closed source and they don't have the same number of bug complaints that MS software does), or that it is capable to get viruses in Office simply because it is closed source, which is totally untrue. The reason that it's capable to get viruses with word files is because it's possible to embed executable code in them, not because it was developed closed source. While I agree that having executable code in a document is a really dumb idea, it's not one that couldn't have been made in an Free application either.

    7. Re:Describing OpenOffice by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You are misleading, in that there are 2 reasons (IMO) why the MS Office suite is prone to viruses:

      - the VBA code mixed with a poor security model for the OS. This however, will likely be a problem for Windows users of OpenOffice as well (see below)

      - the simple fact that they have such a huge install base means virus writers target these products. For example, excluding cross-platform viruses the Mac OS (pre X) had only about 20 or so native viruses written. Was this because of superior security or architecture? NO, I think not. It was because virus writers targeted the PC. Don't confuse cause and effect

  84. "Bugs and Issues" by admiral-v · · Score: 2, Funny

    I was reading the news on the Open Office site, and noticed the "Bugs and Issues" link. I clicked on it, and it gave me the following message: "Error occurred while accessing content."

    I'm still going to grab the new version, but I'm not sure it's a good sign that their bug list has bugs ;)

  85. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Maybe, maybe not. I had no problems with 641D, but with 1.0, OpenOffice is NOT rendering my TTF fonts in anti-aliasing (or most anyway...clearly something ain't right).

    But for those who want to try...in console, in the OpenOffice directory, run ./spadmin, then click on fonts and point it to your windows/fonts directory. Hope you have better luck than me.

  86. Text in the default save format by eclectric · · Score: 2

    One thing it desperately needs is to allow an option to store in the default, XML based format, but to also append to the file a clean copy of the text. This is because if you have nothing but a simple text reader at hand, you should be able to look at the document. This was possible in old MS formats and wordperfect formats (provided you don't do things like "track changes"). Granted, I could save everything in text only, but for the most part, I want all of the formatting options. Perhaps a tool could be created to "uncompress" the default format so that you have just the plain XML.

    1. Re:Text in the default save format by caolan · · Score: 1

      There is such a tool. The file format is a number of xml streams and binary graphics (if there are any) zipped together. So simply unzip the file and edit the uncompressed resultant xml files by hand, rezip the files together and OOo will be perfectly happy with the document.

      There is additionally a single stream "flat mode" xml import/export option which you can use instead of the normal compressed multistream mode, which should be documented somewhere around http://xml.openoffice.org/. In that case a single stream is written and not compressed. Its bigger and slower than the normal mechanism.

      C.

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    2. Re:Text in the default save format by brechin · · Score: 1

      There actually is an option to do just this. Look around in the text saving settings. Sorry, I'd give more info but I'm away from my home computer (where I have it installed). It's a checkbox that says something about storing compressed XML files or normal ones.

      Hope it helps

    3. Re:Text in the default save format by mrroach · · Score: 1

      The default format is just a zip file. 'unzip' is a great tool for uncompressing this :)

      content.xml, strangely enough, holds the content

    4. Re:Text in the default save format by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      unzip blah.sxw
      vi content.xml

      looks simple enough to me.

  87. mozilla mail by eclectric · · Score: 2

    I think mozilla mail makes a fine email client, and it seems more appropriate to for mail to be linked with your browser rather than your office suite.

    Evolution is great for contact management and calendaring. Unforuntately, i can't test it because they do not make a win32 version.

    1. Re:mozilla mail by Peyna · · Score: 2

      I don't see why it makes more sense to have e-mail linked with your browser. E-mail is a highly used communication device, and especially in a business you are going to use it for sending documents and everything else. For that reason, it should be tied to productivity items, etc. How often do your browser and e-mail client work together? How often do your browser and document editing tools interact? (In fact, with MS Office, word is the default mail editor). I would prefer to see a browser tied up with an office suite instead of my mail tied up with a browser.

      Hmm.. maybe IE should be bundled with Office instead of Windows. Aye, shouldn't start a discussion like that. *ducks*

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  88. It's *still* missing two things by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 4, Insightful

    It's still missing an email-program and a calendar.

    Granted, when compared to Outlook, it's only missing one thing, but still ...

    Okay - so I don't need to have those two functions embedded into the office program, but I would rather not be without them, and I'm somewhat sure, that the rest of my office wouldn't either.

    Here's what I need:
    1) A calendar function comparable to Outlook, preferably one that isn't dependant on a specific platform (ie. Windows, Linux, Mac OS et al). This means the ability to include/invite other people in/to meetings and to view other peoples calendars.

    2) An email function comparable to Outlook, again, preferably one that isn't dependant on a specific platform. Support for multiple accounts and Usenet would be a boon.

    No, the programs don't have to be free, neither as in beer or speech, they just need to work, be cheaper than Office and safer with regards to vira etc.

    Preferably the two/three mentioned programs/functions should be integrated into one program.

    Suggestions are more than welcome :-)

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    1. Re:It's *still* missing two things by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Isn't this what Ximian is working on with Evolution?

    2. Re:It's *still* missing two things by rasherbuyer · · Score: 1

      try lotus notes - the client supports all but linux *sigh*

    3. Re:It's *still* missing two things by Hektor_Troy · · Score: 2

      Well, as far as I've been able to find out, they have no intention of porting it to Windows, which makes it pretty much useless for the rest of the company. And no - dropping Windows is impossible, as 90% of our work requires programs that are only available for Windows.

      I'd be willing to pay good money for Ximian Evolution and Connector for Windows, but aparantly that's not an option - God knows for what reason.

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  89. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by laserjet · · Score: 2

    My fonts look great. maybe you should install some more fonts on your system? I would recommend installing a bunch of truetype fonts.

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  90. mozilla by eclectric · · Score: 2

    mozilla makes a fine mail program that works with pop3 and imap, and I imagine it's only a matter of time for it can talk to http: mail servers and possibly exchange.

    They also have a calendar feature, but it's still in the alpha stages... it can't as yet talk to calendaring servers.

  91. Would be great if it worked. by watchmaker1 · · Score: 1
    Three different Linux installations have failed for me.

    Celeron 600, 320megs Ram with Redhat 7.1.
    Thinkpad 600 (P2/266) with 288 megs RAM and RH7.2
    same Thinkpad 600 with Gentoo linux.

    No printing subsystem installed, I rarely, if ever, print anything.

    Installing 641d in my home dir and running soffice, the splash screen shows up, then the system wants to sync my address book, which I don't have one. Hitting cancel on that dialog the main window freezes hard. Only a kill -9 from an XTerm gets rid of it.

    Installing OO in -net mode and then running setup to place the stub in my home dir, soffice complains about not finding /usr/local/openoffice641d, even when it's there.

    This behavior has occurred on all three setups. The two Redhat setups had Gnome and KDE2, the Gentoo setup has no Gnome and full KDE3.

    I ended up deleting it. Searching back through the mail archives I could find no reference to this type of error, but it's now occurred for me on two boxes with three different dists.

    Any ideas? Could the lack of CUPS or lprNG be causing it?

  92. Does the install work? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

    I could never get 641d (or c) to work properly on my MDK8.1 system. It always coredumped.

    Is 1.0 more stable than 641d?

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    1. Re:Does the install work? by ainsoph · · Score: 2

      Theres a reason why System administrators will not touch MDK with a 400,000 foot pole.

    2. Re:Does the install work? by snol · · Score: 1

      I got the install to work, I just don't think it's very out-of-the-box friendly to the typical linux operating mode. First it tries to install in your home folder, so I suppose you can have a copy for each user, or only use it for one user. I installed it into /usr/lib/OpenOffice which went fine, but then trying to run it as a non-root user is a real pain. Keeps crashing, not sure what you're supposed to do to get it to work. (I'd try reading some docs but the website...)

    3. Re:Does the install work? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      Yep, that's exactly what happened to me with 641c/d. Install was OK, but you couldn't run as non-root.

      Anybody got a solution for MDK 8.1?

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    4. Re:Does the install work? by kozmonaut · · Score: 2, Informative

      Wellllp

      I run mdk8.1 just installed it fine

      not exactly intuitive though ;)

      tar -xvvzf'd the tar'ball,

      decompressed into a directory named 'install'
      (stupid name, not very original)

      run ./install from install
      run ./setup from install after dat

      setup gives a real nice gui (complete with special effects even_) but never told me what to run after installing the thing.

      the actual binaries get put in user's homedir, a directory called 'OpenOffice.org1.0' by default ugly again. and it's not been entered in my path.

      the executable i ran was called 'soffice' (hmm whered they get that name?)

      oh yeah and it didn't put a menu-entry on my Blackbox or Enlightenment menus :( (did it make one on KDE or Gnome?? I don't know why would i use those???)

      but hey thats a standard linux package for ya.... I like it even...

    5. Re:Does the install work? by realnowhereman · · Score: 1

      run "install -net" as root and install to somewhere generic (/opt/openoffice) then run setup/install as a user.

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    6. Re:Does the install work? by Amazing+Quantum+Man · · Score: 2

      Oh, now *THAT'S* real intuitive and user friendly!

      I'll try it, but why should a *USER* have to run the setup for OpenOffice? That's what administrators are for!

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    7. Re:Does the install work? by unixmaster · · Score: 2, Informative

      cd ./install ./setup -net Choose folder /opt/office to install log in a normal user /opt/office/setup not choose a folder like ~/openoffice and boom. Someone said installation doesnt work?

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  93. History v. Science (offtopic) by timothy · · Score: 1

    Hey Eugene, is that a line from "Darwin's Black Box"? It looks awfully familiar, but I don't have that book in front of me right now ...

    timothy

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    1. Re:History v. Science (offtopic) by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

      Hi Timothy.

      I don't know, but I wouldn't be surprised if somebody already came up with this. I decided to make up this .sig because I got tired of the Creation vs. Evolution debate. If you watch it on tv, you can see the bias of people. My .sig would apply to both sides of the issue, because it's history and a view of what happened. If you figure out who said it first, let me know.

      People keep saying that science has proved this and that. I truely believe that people in general have forsaken true science because of its apparent failures.

      For example, doctor says to do this or do that. His idea failed, therefore science failed. In reality, science worked, but it was misused.

      In a similar manner science doesn't fail in the Creation vs. Evolution debate, but people misuse it to come to their conclusions. I lean on one side of the issue, but I see people on both sides, making the mistake.

  94. Also not written in... by Lancer · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    FORTRAN
    COBOL
    Perl
    Visual Basic
    Logo
    Sanskrit

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  95. How does it do on graphs and other objects? by emg178 · · Score: 1

    Last time I used Star Office, it was version 5.2, and it choked on several functions and graphs. Does anyone know how comprehensive the conversion is? For example, what percentage of functions are available. Are custom functions handled at all? Do charts reproduce acurately?

    1. Re:How does it do on graphs and other objects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Does anyone know how comprehensive the conversion is? For example, what percentage of functions are available. Are custom functions handled at all? Do charts reproduce acurately?

      Only one accurate way to find out! Download the binary (there's pre-compiled binaries for x86 Linux and Windows) and see for yourself how accurately it translates your Excel spreadsheets.

      I belive that there is a BASIC-like scripting language, but don't know about external functions.

      Ron

  96. I believe there are several such services... by mikosullivan · · Score: 2

    See, for example, TOM Conversion Service seems to get the most linkage.

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  97. Maybe the error was not really an error... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    Maybe the error was not really an error, but caused by the complete overload of being Slashdotted.

    1. Re:Maybe the error was not really an error... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 2

      but he clicked on the "bugs and issues"...

      ahh nevermind

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  98. UK Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Binaries for Win32/Linux, and the source, can be found at http://earth.hotrecruit.co.uk/openoffice/1.0.0

  99. GNOME integration by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Is there any integration with GNOME/Bonobo in this release? Given that Sun is touting GNOME 2.0 as their desktop of the future, StarOffice/OpenOffice should be able to integrate with it.

    Thanks

    Raghu

  100. debian by sewagemaster · · Score: 1

    there are debian packages available finally, but this is only for version 641d

  101. I hope you are careful by sjbe · · Score: 4, Informative

    You are aware that Excel is notorious for innaccurate calculations right? Some of the functions using the built in math libraries return answers that are wrong. And if you use VB scripting, which uses different libraries, the problem gets compounded to answers that are really wrong. See bugnet for some examples. If you insist on using Excel, use a third party (and adequately tested) math library with it for serious precision math.

    1. Re:I hope you are careful by cowbutt · · Score: 2
      Bleh - looks as though OpenOffice's scalc is similarly flawed.

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  102. How compatable is it, REALLY? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Does this support macro viruses in word processing documents and spreadsheets?

  103. Microsoft Word is not a great application... by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1


    "As much as I dislike the MS machine, they do create great applications."

    Microsoft Word is not a great application, in my opinion. It is quirky, very quirky.

  104. Aw, man! by Decimal · · Score: 2

    And I just downloaded .641 last night!

    --

    Remember "Bring 'em on"? *sigh
  105. But can you... by Twister002 · · Score: 1

    Open a Word 2000 document, edit it, then save it in Word 97/2000/XP format and open it using Word 2000?

    I couldn't with 642, my Word 2000 would hang when I opened a document saved by OpenOffice in Word 2000/XP format.

    Now this may just have been me, has anyone else run into this problem? It was a pretty simple document, simple tables, no embedded graphics.

    --
    "For a successful technology, honesty must take precedence over public relations for nature cannot be fooled." -Feynman
    1. Re:But can you... by bogie · · Score: 1

      Well with the 1.0 I can do this on my machine. Just for a test, I took a word doc. Opened in OO, saved as a OO file. Then editted that OO file. Then resaved it as Word. Then reopend the file in Word 2k. File stayed the same.
      The only difference was I had to hit enter a few times on the import of the orginal word doc to getting the formatting right.
      The only problem I have detected are a few very minor spacing issues, which a backspace or enter fixes.

      --
      If you wanna get rich, you know that payback is a bitch
  106. Mac OS X Version - Where Do I sign Up by Stork33 · · Score: 1
    OK. I can't program any more (lost my union card), but, as a power user, I'm a hellva Alpha/Beta/Gamma tester since my business is pager. (I'm a program manager.)

    So, if someone is going to build the Mac OS X team, where do I sign up to be a helper?

    --Stork
    Deliverin' the Goods

    1. Re:Mac OS X Version - Where Do I sign Up by theolein · · Score: 1
  107. slashdotted!! by Gaurang · · Score: 1

    the OpenOffice site has been slashdotted! Not opening any more.....:-)
    I still get a tingle whenever a site is slashdotted.

    Is there any other site, which is capable of "slashdotting" other sites just because of one link to it??

    --
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  108. Not perfect... by kozmonaut · · Score: 1

    The windows geek sitting next to me emailed me a pretty gnarly word document, overall looks pretty good.

    Yeah, but the audio/mp3 OLE doesn't work, he sneers!

    aiyee... i wouldn't reccommend OpenOffice as a web browser either ;)

    1. Re:Not perfect... by nagora · · Score: 1
      Yeah, but the audio/mp3 OLE doesn't work, he sneers!

      What! He's still using MP3. How totally 20th century, man!

      Use OGG.

      TWW

      --
      "Encyclopedia" is to "Wikipedia" what "Library" is to "Some people at a bus stop"
  109. OpenOffice gui still very unresponsive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0


    Does anyone else find that ooffice is still very slow and clunky?

    Moving a block of text in impress takes about a second for each update/re-rending. And that's on a 1ghz PIII with 256mb RAM.

    I was hoping the 1.0 release would at least be a bit better in this respect than the prereleases I have tried.

  110. The difference between this and the prior build by drinkypoo · · Score: 1
    Is that the prior build is actually on the mirrors.

    The 1.0 for windows isn't on the NY mirror at all, the SF mirror isn't responding, and it's not on the australian FTP or HTTP mirrors either.

    I know that windows openoffice users are in the minority, but in order to actually get an enterprise to accept it, you will have to run on linux AND on windows. Where's my windows version?

    --
    "You're right," Fisheye says. "I should have set it on 'whip' or 'chop.'"
    1. Re:The difference between this and the prior build by gandhiano · · Score: 1

      The difference between this release and the last stable one (641d) is mostly on bugfixes and installation, with integration with KDE/Gnome (at least with KDE it's finally well integrated :)) As for the mirrors, you should give some time for all of them to sync. Maybe as I am writing, you will find your version in your nearest mirrors. If not try another one. Expect the servers to be overloaded. If you're not able to get it today, try again tomorrow. And so on, and so on :)

  111. First impressions by unixmaster · · Score: 1

    Well sorry bill openoffice.org 1.0 ownz all your base. It can open docs very well ( compared to Star Office 6) only bad thing was menu fonts ( doc fonts can use system's TTF fonts for linux) and i replaced /path/to/openoffice/share/fonts with the fonts i got from my star office installation 6.0 beta should work too. And now menus look prettier too. Thnx to everyone who made this possible. Peace

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  112. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    TrueType fonts ARE the solution. Just tried it. Menus font was unreadable, and now it's very cool, after doing some apt-get install ttf-commercial.

  113. PHP Groupware by Micah · · Score: 2

    Might check into that for calendering. Yeah, it's web based, but that works OK, and as an added bonus you don't need to be on your network to get to it!

    Link

    Mozilla would probably fit the bill for e-mail. And with Mozilla you also go to PHP Groupware. So it's *kind of* integrated. :)

    I don't really see the point in having all that embedded in the office suite anyway.

  114. shpalling czechkir by timothy · · Score: 1

    Actually, using build 641 at least, OO has a seemingly fine spell-checker. I typed into a new document "It's time we tried some transfrobnulation." and turned on the spellchecker; the word you'd expect was underlined with a colored wiggly.

    timothy

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    1. Re:shpalling czechkir by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      What color is your wiggly, tim? I painted mine blue.

      This poster's name secretly replaced with Folgers Crystals

  115. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Office 95 consists of several programs. Do you know what the specific program that data is stored in is?

    Note to others:
    Before anyone jump down my throat think Access...

  116. Slashdot this. by thalakan · · Score: 1

    So I have this quad Xeon running FreeBSD sitting on an OC-3 that's 2 hops away from PAIX... Thought I'd throw what I can up there as I download the different versions. You can get to it here.

    --
    -- thalakan
  117. ugh! (off topic) by bradmajors69 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Although I hope OpenOffice clobbers MS, I hope it doesn't help you! I hope that some esoteric bug in OpenOffice screws up all of your spreadsheets in some subtle way rendering your work undetectably invalid, lest it should ever be used in the real world.

    Seriously, don't you have any morals, or even a sense of the danger you're putting yourself in (even if you don't care about the rest of the human race)? How can you sleep at night? I can't understand how you can do that sort of thing, knowing the consequences of what would happen if your work were ever used! And don't give me any malarkey about 'making the world safe by making war unthinkable'. It's your weapons which put the world as a whole at risk by those who are willing to think, and do, the unthinkable!

    1. Re:ugh! (off topic) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Ahh, my friend, you've got it all wrong. The best possible thing that could happen would be the utter destruction of the human race. It is hubris to think that we're so important that we could destroy the world. We can destroy the world as we know it, but it would still continue to exist, when we, ourselves, have turned to dust. Perhaps we could destroy most/all plant and animal life on the surface, but bacteria thrives miles beneath the surface and would continue to do so. Fear not, life shall continue!

      This poster's name secretly replaced with Folgers Crystals

  118. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Anybody have a list of the mirrors? Especially mirrors in the USA (if they exist!?)

    There's a mirror in my living room, one in the bathroom, and I've got lots of circular mirrors in the den next to the computer, but they're not quite as good as the others.

    This poster's name secretly replaced with Folgers Crystals

  119. MDK by Subcarrier · · Score: 1

    Theres a reason why System administrators will not touch MDK with a 400,000 foot pole.

    ... Murder Death Kill ... *warble* *warble* ... Murder Death Kill ... *warble* *warble* ...

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  120. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by hkl387 · · Score: 1


    dmoz.org holds a list of available mirrors.

    Note that I found at least 2 mirror sites which didn't already have the 1.0 version online.

    English versions:
    http://dmoz.org/Computers/Software/Offi ce_Suites/O penOffice.org/Mirrors/

    German versions:
    http://dmoz.org/World/Deutsch/Computer/ Software/St andardsoftware/OpenOffice.org/Mirrorseiten/

    At German heise.de OpenOffice.org members are giving (mirror sites,) instant support and FAQ-replies.
    That's simply amazing. I like OpenOffice.

  121. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by MikePikeFL · · Score: 1

    Where can we get fonts?? Other than windows directory... I don't have one... I've been looking into this for a while. I've got all sorts of fonts problems such as quotes appearing as question marks and poorly rendered fonts and it's been frustrating.

    --
    "Never underestimate the bandwidth of a station wagon full of tapes hurtling down the highway" -Andrew Tanenbaum
  122. Open Office is great, and M$ import is great, but. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Problem arrise if you use their plugins.. especialy their equation editor.. This i really annoying and makes alot of school people stick to MS Office..

    Any suggestions for replacements?

  123. Build from source by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If you dl the new devel tools w/ the working gcc you can just build from source. The best way to build software IMO.

  124. Thanks! [was Re:Configuration tips: margins] by eugene+ts+wong · · Score: 1

    Greetings lubricated.

    *Thank* *you* so much! I gave up all hope of being able to do this. At first I didn't even bother reading your post very carefully, until I saw the part about "...click set as default template...". When I perused the mailing lists, I only found messages about saving a document and then opening the document up each time I start OOo. Fortunately, you found the real solution!

    Just for that, I'm going to try to come back here when I have mod points and mod you up. I truly think that you deserve +5 for this.

    And to think that I was beginning to loose all hope in /. ! My, oh, my.

    Thanks again. I appreciate the time that you put in.

  125. OpenOffice install freezes on Linux by Brian+W. · · Score: 1

    Anyone experience this? I've installed OpenOffice and SOT Office and both times they freeze my system when it comes to the Component registration section.

  126. Thanks! Fast fscking mirror! by baxshep · · Score: 1

    A genuine thank you is in order. I appreciate you taking the time to set this up for our convenience.

  127. Re:wtf? ugly fonts? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    You may try to install msttcorefonts package (on a debian system). Just type "apt-get install msttcorefonts". Tha package will download the core truetype fonts from microsoft and it will install them on your system. Those fonts can be freely used.

  128. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by settantta · · Score: 1

    Just open the files in OpenOffice.org 1.0. ne need to worry, as the necessary filters are built right in, and function seamlessly. This applies to _all_ M$ Office docs, up to and including XP.

  129. Private Mirror by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod it up mod it down: I've setup a mirror on my t1 (yes full t1!) , email me to get the password (sorry to not post the address and passwd but bandwith doesn't grow on trees). manuel@*****@******@stjohnsprepschool.......org

  130. appleworks for windows by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Informative

    Actually, Appleworks is cross platform. Check it out here:

    http://www.apple.com/education/k12/products/appl ew orks/

  131. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by settantta · · Score: 1

    >Note to others:
    >Before anyone jump down my throat think Access...

    Yes, thats the only one that wont import directly into OpenOffice.org. The data can be accessed though, but its a bit of fluffing about.

  132. Why isnt there a version for Mac OS X! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why isnt there a version for Mac OS X?

    A version for Mac OS X wouldnt only help
    Mac users with office productivity but also
    give Microsoft some competition!

    1. Re:Why isnt there a version for Mac OS X! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you've got some time, expertise, and determination to see OpenOffice on OS X, see:

      http://porting.openoffice.org/

      and join the Mac OS X porting project.

  133. Re:Slashdotted already. Mirrors anyone? by donovansmith · · Score: 2, Informative
    Well, I might as well see if my DSL connection and my new FreeBSD server can handle a real load, so here's a mirror for the Win32 version: ftp://is2.integratasolutions.com/mirror/openoffice . rg/OOo_1.0.0_Win32Intel_install.zip.

    I have a max upstream speed of 384Kbps, so don't expect this to be too fast. And if you do download from this site, thanks for testing out my server for me ;-)

  134. Ah, at last, but? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Is Open Office 1.0 any better than Star Office? My mother hates Star Office and can't wait to get rid of it. Just how good is this Open Office?

  135. cool, docs!!! by Micah · · Score: 2

    Maybe I spoke too soon! Here's a PDF that seems to document it. At least the API. You're expected to know BASIC, but that can be picked up from the examples, and there are also a lot of samples under OpenOffice.org1.0/share/basic/

    Link to The API Project -- at the bottom of the page is a link to the programmers tutorial PDF and an online reference guide.

    Have fun!

  136. Uhh... Because... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...Maybe some users don't want to use it... And if your user installs it, then they can configure it how they want to... And each user can have their own settings for the program in their own home directory.

    Oh, what's that you say? Admins should do that? Then maybe you should ask your administrator to install it for you...

  137. I wish it were by e144539 · · Score: 0

    So are you running Kazza(unleaded) 24/7?
    I've only found one user sharing it, but of course it's queued.

    I've tried severeal mirrors and the most I've got is 40KB before the connection times out. Maybe I should try a d/l manager.
    I wonder if it's on gnutella... yeah!! And the speed isn't half bad

    The world would be a better place if more people shared their bandwidth.

  138. Infecting a download? by Arricc · · Score: 1
    "As always, please download files with caution, as viruses and errors might enter a file in transmission"

    Ok, errors I can accept might occur... but downloading a non-infected file which suddenly develops a virus?

  139. Actualy by modipodio · · Score: 1

    I looked at what file types were supported and then I looked at the extension at the end of the file that I need open office to acces,(I do not handel office 95 and therefore do not know that much about it), and I did not see the file extension and persumed that open office did not support it and therefore I did not bother to download it and try it out.

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  140. RTF suites me fine by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    If everyone just used RTF there would be no problems.

    Afterall 90% of users don't use 90% of the crap that they pad these officesuites with to justify the price.

    1. Re:RTF suites me fine by guacamolefoo · · Score: 1

      I work for a law firm that has Word from Office 95, Office 97, Office 2000, and (egad!) WP 5.1 for DOS (!). Lately, we have been ignoring the dinosaurs with WP 5.1 and the file format being used is RTF. It does the job.

      I am lobbying for a switch to OO here to avoid all the BS with file incompatibility internally and to keep costs down. I would like to see a "save to PDF" feature in a big way, and once that happens, I think WP and Office will be dead around here.

      Guac-foo.

  141. You mean 'debassed Imperial system' by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    Just compare the size of a US pint (about 500mls) with a Brit/Commonwealth pint (about 600mls)

  142. Just save to RTF by DABANSHEE · · Score: 2

    That seems to solve the problem

  143. Don't believe the hype. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    We installed Openoffice1.0 on our Solaris network.

    From our point of view, it's a piece of crap.

    The central install took several hundred megabytes
    of disk space, which is ridiculous but perhaps acceptable in this era of bloated disk space for bloatware.

    What's unacceptable is that the thing then does an individual user install and eats an additional
    1.7 meg on everbody's home file system and screws
    with our CDE desktops without asking and with no
    option to undo or uninstall itself.

    I'm not out to customize anything? I just want
    to be able to type scalc filename or swriter filename and have the right program start up quickly on the file I specify. The damn thing
    should stay out of my desktop files unless
    I tell it to.

    Having made the mistake of installing the thing,
    I then figure I might as well look at a couple
    excel spreadsheeets. They import with a vague
    semblance to their appearance under excel.
    Headers and labels, however, disappear or are
    shifted so that they run into the values they
    label or don't line up correctly.
    Dates are converted from a meaningful May 1, 2002 to the lovely Openoffice value of Dec 30,1899.
    Lines that once read:
    GL Balance Entry $20,003.21
    now read
    GL Bal$20,003.21

    The UI is incredibly inconsistent in deciding
    whether windows that it should pop up will be
    additonal X-windows that can be moved anywhere
    or will simply be sub-windows of existing windows.

    I don't doubt that it's hard to impossible to
    write clean, bloat-free software that will
    work with Office files, but please don't
    make the claim that you have when you aren't even
    close.

  144. Excellent ideas. by Futurepower(R) · · Score: 1

    Mod parent up. Excellent ideas.

  145. Install script buggy by richmaine · · Score: 2, Informative

    The install script seems to have gotten added between 641d and 1.0 in the linux version....

    And it's got an incredibly high big density. It must have been tricky fitting that many bugs into such a small script.

    I was glad to see that the install script did a network install by default. With 641d, you just had to be in the know - the -net flag wasn't documented anywhere I could find, but if you didn't use it, you couldn't install on linux (requiring each user to install a personal copy of the whole thing practically counts as not being able to install). But back to 1.0.

    If you just run the install script with no options, it actually does a more-or-less reasonable install, aparently more by accident than design - multiple bugs manage to cancel each other out.

    The script has a strange attempt to override the default installation path on the strange theory that if you failed to specify the path, that must have been an accident, so you must really want it somewhere different; luckily the script fails to do the override correctly, so the default remains in effect.

    You also get a bunch of error messages about symlinks failing because the script used the wrong shell variable in trying to set the symlinks. But since the program can't be run via a symlink anyway, it is probably good that this failed.

    Once you have completed the shared install as root, you are in for another collection of bugs new to 1.0 during the user install. You'll get about a dozen errors from a script error in attempting to make symlinks in your gnome and kde setups. Looks like misguided attempts to use
    blanks in file names (but not managing to quote them as needed to get such names through a shell).

    In the end it worked, but what a sucky collection of install bugs, all new between 641d and 1.0

  146. needs qt for the gui by hyperstation · · Score: 1

    why can't they just use an already widely used gui library rather than fucking everything up with some crap built in (and adding what, ~20MB to the download)?

    SOL = shit outta luck (if you want it to look decent)

  147. Re: install YELLOW DOG LINUX by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Install linux, who needs OS9 POS.

  148. Re:Is there any way to access Old ms Office files by pdhines · · Score: 2, Informative

    Thank you, Anonymous. Good tip.

    Only last night I was amazed to find that OpenOffice's files are not only smaller that MSWord's, they're smaller than rich text .rtf and even (this stunned me) plain .txt files.

    So I began laboriously saving years of old MSWord verbiage into OpenOffice's space-saving .sxw format. But, having read your post, I just went off and checked AUTOPILOT. Cool! A couple of minutes later a twenty-two file 2.04 MB folder only weighs 516 KB.

    And they Save As back into MSWord just fine. The only functionality I lost was that I could no longer use the Table of Contents to jump to the entry. But simply reinserting the ToC in Word took five seconds. I'm impressed.

    Thanks again, Anonymous. And thank you OpenOffice!

  149. Actually by teflonrabbit · · Score: 1

    The build process invokes "javac" in order to complete the compile. I didn't have it on my search path the first time I built. It defineately compiles bytecode.

  150. OpenOffice 1.0 abnt2 Keyboard Problem by Compass · · Score: 0


    Hi people.
    I downloaded and installed OpenOffice 1.0 English Version and I can't get my abnt2 keyboard to work.
    The only character that works is "ç".
    Characters that use accents like "à", "à", "ã", "â" and "ü" don't work. I also can't use "
    When I press the accent keys I don't get any response, and I've setup OpenOffice to use the Brazilian pt-br language.
    Wierd thing is that StarOffice 5.2 English Version works fine with my keyboard, and never gave me any problems.
    Most of my aplications work with my keyboard, so I don't think it is a wrong keyboard configuration.
    What to do?
    Compass.

  151. Re:Ximian Evolution by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Try Evolution