Furthermore how is this any different then most other people in the company.
Does the original poster think a engineer sitting in a cubical designing a Death Ray with drawings and such about is in any less of a bad situation.
Honestly IT people would be one of the first people to get cubed in most places. They are much less likely to be seeing important stuff, or having important/need to know phone calls and so forth.
I think the problem spans past computers. Who knows if we will even have computers forever.
Anything that has to really last needs to be turned to hardcopy. If computers suddenly stopped working tomorrow, we would have a problem. Or what if someone creates some super virus that infects all OS's out there and starts deleting. We might not loose everything, but we would loose a lot of stuff.
Far as MS support, well, I give them as a good of a chance as anyone else. And honestly, the whole deal about them not maintaining support for things is way over blown. I think they have done a heck of a job.
I come across docs I made over 10 years ago on who knows what version, and they open just fine in office 2004 on my mac. Switching to a different format would be a much bigger headache. Also, in time if MS has moved to other formats for a long enough time. They will just give the format out to the world, they won't just hide it away forever.
I think the way this is titled is kinda funny. Canon, Fuji, KM, are victims of 1 company having a failure. Its one failure, not failures at 4 companies. Then again trusting sony is a form of a failure.
Now to just keep hoping the sony CCD in my KM 7D doesn't have issue. Which would be real bad since it would be bad to have a leak in something that gets cleaned with liquid from time to time.
Amusingly I got in a debate not long ago in a camera forum about Sony Quality, I think I have officially won that debate now.
CAD apps are everywhere. But there are probably only a 1/2 dozen that are very commonly used. And many are just tailoring to the "random cad program you buy at frys" market.
Just look at any time someone says "what do you mean there isn't CAD apps for X platform, look at this link (which then shows 30 CAD apps for some OS)" then you go look at it, and maybe 1 of them is used at all. This example works well when it's talking about CAD and OS X .
Many CAD apps are tailored to very specific markets. So for the right target, they are the real deal. But for most others, they are a non-app.
For largely used stuff, Pro/E, Solidworks, AutoCAD, UniGraphics and a couple others are the main ones that most large companies use. Mainly because when you start looking at 3D solid modeling with parametric design, and integrated tools to take parts to production, and or collaborative environments your list of options starts to get very small.
I think what he was getting at is most the engineering world has left autoCAD type apps and moved on to Pro/E and Solidworks.
I've tried all 3 above. I can't stand autoCAD, I feel like i should be at a computer that hooks into some mainframe with a mono chromatic screen, and have a slide rule at hand when using it. Solidworks I used when in school and like a great deal. I use Pro/E at work, 2001 was ok, but Wildfire is very nice (made it more like solidworks).
I think the only reason AutoCAD survives is the install base, with lots of companies having a lot of drawings they still need in AutoCAD. The only industries I know that still use it a great deal is Architecture and Civil Engineering.
Ever see an incredible beautiful girl, who is also extremely smart and has a great sense of humor. That were hopefully we are evolving to.
That or we will become a creature with an ass shaped like a lazy boy, and develop a secondary finger like feature on our hands that allows us to grasp a beer can while still able to use our fingers to work a remote.
The answer is large Pneumatic Tubes. Climb in the tube and go. But sadly the road lobbies have put a stop to all Tube Research.:)
Anyways, yes, the problem is just about every mass transit system that gets built in the US is killed before it starts by having it go to such a limited area.
Take the SF Bay area. We have BART, which is nice, except for one slight design flaw. It goes to all the major places....but one. San Jose, the biggest City in the area, and all the neighboring cities that make up the silicon valley. It should be here, but it's not. They keap debating it and calling it too expensive and so forth. Yet they keap building more freeways.
It also means a large chunk of people that could be on the system and make it more profitable are cut off. So BART looses more money. Then in San Jose we have the Light Rail. It to is nice, I live right next to it, but there is a problem, it goes no where. They keap adding, which helps, but until it goes someplace useful to me, it's no good. I'm sure it works for some. But the number of people who can really use it is limited by it's limitations. Get it going to a bit more big places, and you have a winner. The biggy is it gets within a few miles of BART, (which comes to fremont) but the two systems don't connect. So there is no nice way to hop on light rail, then get on BART and go.
Mass transit is great, but if it doesn't get a person within a few blocks of their home (3) and that same distance away from where they are going, with ease, it's defeated.
Also the solution is not busses, People hate busses, and they are an awful solution.
No it's not. Its very uncommon for a city to be a profit to a state. Once a town gets so big (becoming a city) and starts needing things like freeways, on/off ramps, mass transit and so forth, it becomes a money pit to the state. Rural areas are dirt cheap to keep going. Thus why they pay more to the state then they ever get back.
Cities just aren't cost effective.
This is a big problem in california where there is so many huge cities (60 over 100,000 people) and not a much rural population.
Far as this, well a mono-rail screams money pit. But thats not to say mass transit is bad. If a mass transit system is done right it will be a boon to the area. Since construction of freeways and other roadways can be scaled back. Even when running in debt, a proper mass transit system is much cheaper then continually building more freeways, high way, and repairing them, expanding them.
Unfortunently most good forms of mass transit (trains, subways, trolleys, pedestrian/biker only pathways) get way under funded and under designed so they don't cover enough area to be worthwhile. I always love how city boards cut such projects back so hard, so then the rail system becomes a 3 mile stretch to no where, and then people attack mass transit for being a waste.
Scientist also reported that implementing this into a anti aging drug would involve the destruction of millions of kittens and 14 sea otters and one Great Dane puppy to derive enough of the compound to supply the worlds population.
Fortunately the Lead Scientist isn't a Cat person.
Attempt was made to contact PETA, but they apparently were in to much shock to respond, but we expect them to be happy with the idea.
Apple is a hardware company first and foremost. But they also have a part of them that makes straight up software like the apps you mentioned. OSX does not fall in the later.
OSX is made to sell the hardware. They make the other apps to make money and maintain viability.
If they were to ditch the hardware and sell OSX as a stand alone, it would carry prices higher then their pro-apps. OSX is priced simply to keep things moving and selling hardware.
And no, the benefit of going intel is not to repackage other peoples mainboards in a pretty case. They did it so they can have a real supplier who delivers product. Apple will still make very custom boards just like they always have. They do that for a reason, to make a good box. They have no interest in making ATX hack jobs like the developer boxes. Besides, creating their own boards is a non-issue to them. It's not hard for them, they have done it for ages, and they still use companies like ASUS as manufactures for them anyways.
Its doubtful you will even see intel sockets in the intel macs. Expect cpus to be on daughter cards and such the same as they are today.
Well, you hit the gist of where pretty much everyone was going. Good example.
I think another example would be religions.
Or the classic Billy Madison line "we are all now stupider for having listened to that" (not sure if I phrased that exactly but it's very close to that).
But you can look at pretty much anything in society and see this being used all the time. Look at how many people think things like Universal Health Care is bad, Schools need local control, taxes are always bad, paying off national debt isn't important, the media is a left wing conspiracy, nuclear power is bad, republicans are good with money , tax cuts jump start the economy etc etc...
(if you found a slant in there, well, sorry those are just the common ones going on today and have caused us to have the officials we have while the continue to screw up on the basis of people believing these things)
People just go with these things, but they would not be able to give you a solid answer as to why, they just hear it so much it sticks. Thats why we have pundents who go on the news and get air time to drive it into peoples heads even more. The more something is said the more it becomes fact even if it has no basis.
Look at myths and urban legends, people here it something so much for so long they just accept them even if common sense would prove it otherwise.
This makes me happy, since I have been very unhappy with apples implementation. Many widgets such as iTunes widgets and weather widgets are pretty worthless when they don't say up all the time. Why bring up Dashboard to then get the itunes widget to click "next" when you could just click on itunes. Konfabulator had is right with widgets being able to stay on the desktop all the time.
I think you messed up in there someplace. Maybe you just phrased something funny in there since in the end I do agree with you.
People in general just say XP, few even bother with windows. If you tell people you run XP on your box, not windows XP. Much like no one (assuming RMS doesn't count as a human) calls linux, GNU/Linux. Heck many don't even use linux in there, it's just Debian, or Slackware.
If you say XP people know your talking about windows, after-all what else is called XP and is used by a significant portion of the population.
Yeah, people will either keap using what they have, or upgrade to XP, if this was going to cause them to move to firefox they would have allready moved over.
If you don't have a problem running an older version of windows, you probably don't have an issue running an older version of IE.
Yeah, I think people are missing simple facts here.
Pelters aren't very efficient.
Furthermore, if they were a good means of cooling things, we would use them for everything, but they don't thus why some kids build it, and corporations don't. If would be massively cheaper for them to use and have nothing but benefits. But they suck for the job, thats why they don't use them.
But people seam to be missing that part of this thing. I'm guessing all the articles are gone cause someone pointed out how bad a story it was.
Though probably known to few, may I suggest the population of South Towanda PA for such a study. Some may have heard of it, very special population, get to study genetics and a special language all in one shot.
how much do you think we spend on roads each year, bulk of travel on them cold be eliminated. Half billion dollars? (well, for one a orbiter is a few billion, a launch is 600-900 million bucks).
But going with your half billion, well, the rather mundane intersection between a 4 lane street and a I-880 by me is costing 96 million, so for your half billion you can have a space shuttle that does some interesting stuff, or about 5 intersection that are very boring, used by lots of people doing pointless trips, and will probably see more people killed in each one in the life of the intersection then is killed by a shuttle experiencing a "unscheduled decommissioning"
Greenpeace exist to make other environmental groups look very sane and rational. Sorta the polar opposite of rush limbaugh/bill o'reilly, they exist to make other republicans look rather normal and logical.
I can't stand green peace, but consider myself an environmentalist. Let bad people deal with greenpeace for a few years, they will more then welcome other logical groups after a while if it gets greenpeace off their back.
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Yes, thats a good start.
Furthermore how is this any different then most other people in the company.
Does the original poster think a engineer sitting in a cubical designing a Death Ray with drawings and such about is in any less of a bad situation.
Honestly IT people would be one of the first people to get cubed in most places. They are much less likely to be seeing important stuff, or having important/need to know phone calls and so forth.
I think the problem spans past computers. Who knows if we will even have computers forever.
Anything that has to really last needs to be turned to hardcopy. If computers suddenly stopped working tomorrow, we would have a problem. Or what if someone creates some super virus that infects all OS's out there and starts deleting. We might not loose everything, but we would loose a lot of stuff.
Far as MS support, well, I give them as a good of a chance as anyone else. And honestly, the whole deal about them not maintaining support for things is way over blown. I think they have done a heck of a job.
I come across docs I made over 10 years ago on who knows what version, and they open just fine in office 2004 on my mac. Switching to a different format would be a much bigger headache. Also, in time if MS has moved to other formats for a long enough time. They will just give the format out to the world, they won't just hide it away forever.
I think the way this is titled is kinda funny. Canon, Fuji, KM, are victims of 1 company having a failure. Its one failure, not failures at 4 companies. Then again trusting sony is a form of a failure.
Now to just keep hoping the sony CCD in my KM 7D doesn't have issue. Which would be real bad since it would be bad to have a leak in something that gets cleaned with liquid from time to time.
Amusingly I got in a debate not long ago in a camera forum about Sony Quality, I think I have officially won that debate now.
Yeah, cause Grandmas and 5 year olds and such are always hacking their electronics since they are capable of such things.
Any solution that involves the word "hack" is not a solution. People don't mess with there stuff or look for work arounds. They want it to just work.
Never heard of it. Not to say it's not well used.
CAD apps are everywhere. But there are probably only a 1/2 dozen that are very commonly used. And many are just tailoring to the "random cad program you buy at frys" market.
Just look at any time someone says "what do you mean there isn't CAD apps for X platform, look at this link (which then shows 30 CAD apps for some OS)" then you go look at it, and maybe 1 of them is used at all. This example works well when it's talking about CAD and OS X .
Many CAD apps are tailored to very specific markets. So for the right target, they are the real deal. But for most others, they are a non-app.
For largely used stuff, Pro/E, Solidworks, AutoCAD, UniGraphics and a couple others are the main ones that most large companies use. Mainly because when you start looking at 3D solid modeling with parametric design, and integrated tools to take parts to production, and or collaborative environments your list of options starts to get very small.
I think what he was getting at is most the engineering world has left autoCAD type apps and moved on to Pro/E and Solidworks.
I've tried all 3 above. I can't stand autoCAD, I feel like i should be at a computer that hooks into some mainframe with a mono chromatic screen, and have a slide rule at hand when using it. Solidworks I used when in school and like a great deal. I use Pro/E at work, 2001 was ok, but Wildfire is very nice (made it more like solidworks).
I think the only reason AutoCAD survives is the install base, with lots of companies having a lot of drawings they still need in AutoCAD. The only industries I know that still use it a great deal is Architecture and Civil Engineering.
Paul Allen
Ever see an incredible beautiful girl, who is also extremely smart and has a great sense of humor. That were hopefully we are evolving to.
That or we will become a creature with an ass shaped like a lazy boy, and develop a secondary finger like feature on our hands that allows us to grasp a beer can while still able to use our fingers to work a remote.
Agreed.
:)
The answer is large Pneumatic Tubes. Climb in the tube and go. But sadly the road lobbies have put a stop to all Tube Research.
Anyways, yes, the problem is just about every mass transit system that gets built in the US is killed before it starts by having it go to such a limited area.
Take the SF Bay area. We have BART, which is nice, except for one slight design flaw. It goes to all the major places....but one. San Jose, the biggest City in the area, and all the neighboring cities that make up the silicon valley. It should be here, but it's not. They keap debating it and calling it too expensive and so forth. Yet they keap building more freeways.
It also means a large chunk of people that could be on the system and make it more profitable are cut off. So BART looses more money. Then in San Jose we have the Light Rail. It to is nice, I live right next to it, but there is a problem, it goes no where. They keap adding, which helps, but until it goes someplace useful to me, it's no good. I'm sure it works for some. But the number of people who can really use it is limited by it's limitations. Get it going to a bit more big places, and you have a winner. The biggy is it gets within a few miles of BART, (which comes to fremont) but the two systems don't connect. So there is no nice way to hop on light rail, then get on BART and go.
Mass transit is great, but if it doesn't get a person within a few blocks of their home (3) and that same distance away from where they are going, with ease, it's defeated.
Also the solution is not busses, People hate busses, and they are an awful solution.
No it's not. Its very uncommon for a city to be a profit to a state. Once a town gets so big (becoming a city) and starts needing things like freeways, on/off ramps, mass transit and so forth, it becomes a money pit to the state. Rural areas are dirt cheap to keep going. Thus why they pay more to the state then they ever get back.
Cities just aren't cost effective.
This is a big problem in california where there is so many huge cities (60 over 100,000 people) and not a much rural population.
Far as this, well a mono-rail screams money pit. But thats not to say mass transit is bad. If a mass transit system is done right it will be a boon to the area. Since construction of freeways and other roadways can be scaled back. Even when running in debt, a proper mass transit system is much cheaper then continually building more freeways, high way, and repairing them, expanding them.
Unfortunently most good forms of mass transit (trains, subways, trolleys, pedestrian/biker only pathways) get way under funded and under designed so they don't cover enough area to be worthwhile. I always love how city boards cut such projects back so hard, so then the rail system becomes a 3 mile stretch to no where, and then people attack mass transit for being a waste.
One could also simply double click the header in Office to edit it. I would think this is what 99% of people do.
Scientist also reported that implementing this into a anti aging drug would involve the destruction of millions of kittens and 14 sea otters and one Great Dane puppy to derive enough of the compound to supply the worlds population.
Fortunately the Lead Scientist isn't a Cat person.
Attempt was made to contact PETA, but they apparently were in to much shock to respond, but we expect them to be happy with the idea.
Wow, you are so out of it.
Apple is a hardware company first and foremost. But they also have a part of them that makes straight up software like the apps you mentioned. OSX does not fall in the later.
OSX is made to sell the hardware. They make the other apps to make money and maintain viability.
If they were to ditch the hardware and sell OSX as a stand alone, it would carry prices higher then their pro-apps. OSX is priced simply to keep things moving and selling hardware.
And no, the benefit of going intel is not to repackage other peoples mainboards in a pretty case. They did it so they can have a real supplier who delivers product. Apple will still make very custom boards just like they always have. They do that for a reason, to make a good box. They have no interest in making ATX hack jobs like the developer boxes. Besides, creating their own boards is a non-issue to them. It's not hard for them, they have done it for ages, and they still use companies like ASUS as manufactures for them anyways.
Its doubtful you will even see intel sockets in the intel macs. Expect cpus to be on daughter cards and such the same as they are today.
Well, you might get rapped by one.
Well, you hit the gist of where pretty much everyone was going. Good example.
I think another example would be religions.
Or the classic Billy Madison line "we are all now stupider for having listened to that" (not sure if I phrased that exactly but it's very close to that).
But you can look at pretty much anything in society and see this being used all the time. Look at how many people think things like Universal Health Care is bad, Schools need local control, taxes are always bad, paying off national debt isn't important, the media is a left wing conspiracy, nuclear power is bad, republicans are good with money , tax cuts jump start the economy etc etc...
(if you found a slant in there, well, sorry those are just the common ones going on today and have caused us to have the officials we have while the continue to screw up on the basis of people believing these things)
People just go with these things, but they would not be able to give you a solid answer as to why, they just hear it so much it sticks. Thats why we have pundents who go on the news and get air time to drive it into peoples heads even more. The more something is said the more it becomes fact even if it has no basis.
Look at myths and urban legends, people here it something so much for so long they just accept them even if common sense would prove it otherwise.
Nice to see that, now if only apple will hurry up and do this so dashboard works the way it should have in the first place.
Come on now, who can resist a product named.
Konfabulatorahoo!
This makes me happy, since I have been very unhappy with apples implementation. Many widgets such as iTunes widgets and weather widgets are pretty worthless when they don't say up all the time. Why bring up Dashboard to then get the itunes widget to click "next" when you could just click on itunes. Konfabulator had is right with widgets being able to stay on the desktop all the time.
I think you messed up in there someplace. Maybe you just phrased something funny in there since in the end I do agree with you.
People in general just say XP, few even bother with windows. If you tell people you run XP on your box, not windows XP. Much like no one (assuming RMS doesn't count as a human) calls linux, GNU/Linux. Heck many don't even use linux in there, it's just Debian, or Slackware.
If you say XP people know your talking about windows, after-all what else is called XP and is used by a significant portion of the population.
Yeah, people will either keap using what they have, or upgrade to XP, if this was going to cause them to move to firefox they would have allready moved over.
If you don't have a problem running an older version of windows, you probably don't have an issue running an older version of IE.
Yeah, I think people are missing simple facts here.
Pelters aren't very efficient.
Furthermore, if they were a good means of cooling things, we would use them for everything, but they don't thus why some kids build it, and corporations don't. If would be massively cheaper for them to use and have nothing but benefits. But they suck for the job, thats why they don't use them.
But people seam to be missing that part of this thing. I'm guessing all the articles are gone cause someone pointed out how bad a story it was.
Though probably known to few, may I suggest the population of South Towanda PA for such a study. Some may have heard of it, very special population, get to study genetics and a special language all in one shot.
the ants don't farm, they sort bolts. And the ants too may be over achievers.
how much do you think we spend on roads each year, bulk of travel on them cold be eliminated. Half billion dollars? (well, for one a orbiter is a few billion, a launch is 600-900 million bucks).
But going with your half billion, well, the rather mundane intersection between a 4 lane street and a I-880 by me is costing 96 million, so for your half billion you can have a space shuttle that does some interesting stuff, or about 5 intersection that are very boring, used by lots of people doing pointless trips, and will probably see more people killed in each one in the life of the intersection then is killed by a shuttle experiencing a "unscheduled decommissioning"
Greenpeace exist to make other environmental groups look very sane and rational. Sorta the polar opposite of rush limbaugh/bill o'reilly, they exist to make other republicans look rather normal and logical.
I can't stand green peace, but consider myself an environmentalist. Let bad people deal with greenpeace for a few years, they will more then welcome other logical groups after a while if it gets greenpeace off their back.
But can molten glass in space sort bolts.