" ever 50% of computer users in the world are Mac users and most people don't even know what Linux is"
I know people who see the first part like that, for many things, everyone has a mac, a tivo etc. But yes, doesn't make it true.
For the later part, I would say that is true, most people don't know what linux is, even though those who are into linux seam to think 50% of computer users in the world will be running linux at any moment.
I'm rather interested in how you would like people to send information even such as simple 2 column list?
People send them this way since it makes life easy, the nature of list is you add and subtract stuff to them. Pass them on to the next person and they do what they need to do and pass it on. Also stuff in list often finds itself in a greater spreadsheet.
Also if your in a business environment you can basically guarantee everyone has excel on their computer. So their is nothing stopping it being used.
Also excel gives you a format that is very usable. From excel you can copy and past things into other documents easily, but try taking stuff from a email and putting it into a spread sheet, not so easy, or any random text.
Kodak has become a big producer of imagine sensors. The use them in their own cameras, and sell them to other makers. The reasonably brought out a 18.1 MP censor to be used in a new Digital medium format camera.
They may not have a big presence in DSLRs but they do make their stuff.
Also Canon and Nikon do not make all their stuff, Sony makes a lot of the sensors used in various brands of cameras including some of Nikons, Canons, and Minoltas. And I must say having recently bought a Minolta 7D I can't complain with the job Sony has done.
No one cares about the text. I'm sure they have lots of copies of that around. People want to preserve the real thing and have it. The magazine is the law. And they probably want to have it on display someplace. Or it's the only one missing from their archive of that magazine.
I suppose your the same type of person who see's no value in preserving national parks since we have photos of them. Or the type of person who sees no point in going outside and looking at stars when you could pull up some program on your computer.
I think one of the big things people have to look at is Why would these people want a computer in the first place?
I'm doubting many of the people in the world have any need or interest in a computer. Most of us use computers to do computer things. Few of use really have a need for a computer. That is if you moved us to a place like where they were selling these, and we took on the general lifestyle there, I doubt many of us would need a computer.
You can't sell anything to a person if they have zero interest in it.
"Most people believe that the bible represents a guide and isn't to be taken absolutely literally."
Well you are partially right here, the bible is a guide of sorts, it's a collection of fables that are derived from stories from many cultures and believes that people created to show basic ground rules for life and good lessons, and was spiced up a bit. At this level it's pretty good. Even a non religious person can find good value in the bible as a book of fables.
The problem is most people do not see it this way as you say. Most people unfortunately take it very literally, that's where the whole religion part comes in. The bible in it's basic form probably pre-dates religion, it was only later that people began to see it as something more and worship it, like present day people do with Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTRs. This wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have all the negatives that have come out of religion. It's fine to have kooky beliefs, until it involves killing and condemning.
Yes, and lots of older worms won't work on WinXP or 2k. To think you are safer on something 10 years old with no updating is crazy.
Win2k and XP got rid of a lot of problems for people by leaving the 9x series kernel in hell. I have no problems with windows, but 9x series stuff, and pre-XP stuff I want nothing to do with. If only longhorn would do a Macos9->OS X jump and axe nearly all backwards compatibility and be a real start over i might move back to windows. Maybe by the time MS does that OS X will have gotten to be a pile of cruft and I will be tired of it.
Actually, the CIA has stated that what happened was a act of treason, but the man focus is on who gave the info to Novak (who is a shithead regardless) . The CIA has stated that someone in the whitehouse committed treason and they have a sort list of who it could be since you have to be at a decent level up.
Last I read the path is basically focused on Cheney and his immediate staff, and Rove. Since people below wouldn't have known unless those above told them.
Damn your Dumb! Read before posting dumb things. No two things are exactly the same even if designed as such. And yes you can get in two identical cars and one will perform different.
It's a calibration, the whole concept is no two things are the same. Any piece of instrumentation needs to be calibrated and that calibration is set for that device. No manufacturing can produce 2 identical things, just not possible since the two items could not share the same time and space in the universe together thus both are going to be slightly different.
Anytime you get a piece of gear, you get it setup, then you take some means of calibrating it and test it with something that has deemed to be as accurate as possible. Maybe some source such as a rock. But basically anything that will provide a common test basis for the device.
So say you are measuring temperatures on something in a lab. You set up a big system for collecting data off a bunch of thermocouples. Each one has it's own channel through it's own voltage modules and thermocouples and so forth. So you take a calibrator and have it feed a signal through the system to mimic a thermocouple. you get a calibration curve for a channel, then you go to the next channel with the same device and do the same for the next channel, this will be a different calibration. and then you work through them all. I have system set up with 16 channels at work and all use the same parts, but there is about 4 closely similar calibrations across the channels, but no two channels follow the same calibration.
NASA did the same, they built the devices, then calibrated them with the same rocks, and developed a calibration curve for each system, and that was to be kept with each rover, they swapped the instruments, so now they switch the calibrations and everything is fine.
This all goes back to simple accuracy and how close you can get things, but bottom line no two things are the same. Look at computers, you can have 100 computers, exactly the same built right in a row, with the exact same software and so forth. Turn them on and let the run under exact same conditions, some will have hardware failures, some will have software get wacky on them and so forth. It's just the way it works.
This is much smaller then micro-ATX, and a complete deferent form factor then anything else.
The reason shuttle is able to make the boxes like they do is not using a standard form-factor. The regular G sized shuttles are close to Flex-ATX, but not quite. This is a bit bigger. Then there is the BTX i Chassis which is really close to the BTX form factor but a good bit bigger then this machine.
where the real difference comes with shuttles is the packaging. You will be very hard pressed to find a micro atx case that is anywhere near this small, and has a CD that isn't vertical mounted, and accepts Full height PCI/AGP cards. Shuttles mean you have no trade offs from normal ATX machines, but they are much smaller.
Not that some things Intel does isn't marketing driven. I doubt they would go about doing this if they didn't have good reason to.
It's not like this would be an easy thing to sell in some way that people would really understand very well. But regardless they aren't going to develop a whole new piece of hardware that is worthless. Making a design decision that pushes something down a bad path like clock speed is a whole different issue. I'm pretty sure intel guys would think this one out before spending a ton of cash working on it.
I think intel is realizing that the future is much brighter in them delivering better hardware solutions for distributing out the computer to many parts instead of everything done in software in the CPU. Not only does it mean their cpus don't have to work as much thus less heat and power draw, but it also means they get to sell more chips. And specialized hardware will always be faster then software. The CPU should be used for stuff that can't be easily hardware done, or for emerging things. Once it gets well define it should get moved out to it's own chip.
I just picture them moving towards more centrenio type families
Penn state does this too, though mainly as temporary sidewalks.
PSU is also the place that invented spray on grass, basically grass seed, with liquid fertilizer and green pigment. They spray it on bare dirt and it it looks like grass from a distance, then in time real grass should grow. But from what i saw that rarely happens and it just gets washed into cracks in the first rain.
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Not a bad idea.
I think students have been trying this as schools all over the country. They walk were it makes sense, and you can see the beaten paths were they go, thus were the sidewalk should be.
Unfortunately the school i went to, Penn State, decided that if students make a path across an area, that the best solution is to put up a drooping chain fence, or to put some scrubs at the ends of were they walked. Instead of just getting rid of the paths no one uses and moving them to were they do. Unfortunately many sidewalk were designed purely for style and zero function. Making something look good is nice, and should be attempted, but making it look nice but functionally suck is no good.
Oh, and if a PSU sidewalk person is reading this, asphalt is not a sidewalk material! Nor is concrete sidewalks made with forms that were put down by a drunken OPP guy.
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Furthermore, you can't price your rocket and ship out based on used parts, salvage and ebay stuff anyways.
When do something like this for anyone to care it has to be all available/still made parts that anyone can get and priced at their actual price. In other words, if it works could you build them over and over and at what price.
Saying "you suck nasa, look what we did" when you managed to find a main engine to a saturn V on ebay for 25 bucks, or bought some dented Russian rockets cheap doesn't really count.
Using used parts are fine for a one time thing to show you could do it. Burt Rutan used some used Jet engines for white knight. But if he was to build more of them over again, he would have to go to new engines and add that to the overall cost.
Yeah, imagine it now, climb to a nice overlook on a clear night, maybe with you special someone, sitting back to watch the stars and in the sky.
"Refinance you home, Call Earl at 555-Loan"
Wonderful.
Some astronomer gets the latest shot from his telescope and an incredible image is ruined by a add for Outback Steakhouse.
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This is definitely an issue. I think they will have to build a sort of mini UPS into the system. A small battery, a Cap and some other filter bits. To at least handle things better then a PSU can, and be able to shut the computer down. This thing will probably have some minimal PSU anyways. Just integrate a UPS and PSU into one. By joining the two into one, they both are simpler, since a UPS has to make DC power anyways, just take it right off the battery and into the DC-DCs.
You are a true visionary to ecological problems do to computer. Move our crap pile to some other place and put a great spin on it, wonderful, problem solved.
Ever see the clips showing mountains of computer parts in some of those countries with people just out there banging on them like something out of 2001 space odyssey?
They aint' going to do anything with a pile of parts. They are going to do about as much with that as all of use with the pile of parts we built up from out old stuff for that robot project thats never going to happen.
The better solution is to not make computers such a throw away item and have them be easily recycled when done with and such.
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" ever 50% of computer users in the world are Mac users and most people don't even know what Linux is"
I know people who see the first part like that, for many things, everyone has a mac, a tivo etc. But yes, doesn't make it true.
For the later part, I would say that is true, most people don't know what linux is, even though those who are into linux seam to think 50% of computer users in the world will be running linux at any moment.
no, they are just as significant as if they were 1s or 2s.
There are only insignificant if it was a case of 4.0 x 3 =12.0 in that case the 0 isn't significant. Since the answer is actually 12
42.0
Got to use the floating point power.
Could just make it real simple.
Science: The act of pissing off creationist and other nuts for the betterment of Man
No, it would tell you if a baby is about to come out of the Data's tummy.
I'm rather interested in how you would like people to send information even such as simple 2 column list?
People send them this way since it makes life easy, the nature of list is you add and subtract stuff to them. Pass them on to the next person and they do what they need to do and pass it on. Also stuff in list often finds itself in a greater spreadsheet.
Also if your in a business environment you can basically guarantee everyone has excel on their computer. So their is nothing stopping it being used.
Also excel gives you a format that is very usable. From excel you can copy and past things into other documents easily, but try taking stuff from a email and putting it into a spread sheet, not so easy, or any random text.
You are mistaken,
Kodak has become a big producer of imagine sensors. The use them in their own cameras, and sell them to other makers. The reasonably brought out a 18.1 MP censor to be used in a new Digital medium format camera.
They may not have a big presence in DSLRs but they do make their stuff.
Also Canon and Nikon do not make all their stuff, Sony makes a lot of the sensors used in various brands of cameras including some of Nikons, Canons, and Minoltas. And I must say having recently bought a Minolta 7D I can't complain with the job Sony has done.
Wow, you are really out of touch with reality.
No one cares about the text. I'm sure they have lots of copies of that around. People want to preserve the real thing and have it. The magazine is the law. And they probably want to have it on display someplace. Or it's the only one missing from their archive of that magazine.
I suppose your the same type of person who see's no value in preserving national parks since we have photos of them. Or the type of person who sees no point in going outside and looking at stars when you could pull up some program on your computer.
I think one of the big things people have to look at is Why would these people want a computer in the first place?
I'm doubting many of the people in the world have any need or interest in a computer. Most of us use computers to do computer things. Few of use really have a need for a computer. That is if you moved us to a place like where they were selling these, and we took on the general lifestyle there, I doubt many of us would need a computer.
You can't sell anything to a person if they have zero interest in it.
No you don't.
At most you need one for 9x series and one for NT series, but even then most things will work on all with just one package.
"Most people believe that the bible represents a guide and isn't to be taken absolutely literally."
Well you are partially right here, the bible is a guide of sorts, it's a collection of fables that are derived from stories from many cultures and believes that people created to show basic ground rules for life and good lessons, and was spiced up a bit. At this level it's pretty good. Even a non religious person can find good value in the bible as a book of fables.
The problem is most people do not see it this way as you say. Most people unfortunately take it very literally, that's where the whole religion part comes in. The bible in it's basic form probably pre-dates religion, it was only later that people began to see it as something more and worship it, like present day people do with Star Wars, Star Trek, LOTRs. This wouldn't be so bad if it didn't have all the negatives that have come out of religion. It's fine to have kooky beliefs, until it involves killing and condemning.
Yes, and lots of older worms won't work on WinXP or 2k. To think you are safer on something 10 years old with no updating is crazy.
Win2k and XP got rid of a lot of problems for people by leaving the 9x series kernel in hell. I have no problems with windows, but 9x series stuff, and pre-XP stuff I want nothing to do with. If only longhorn would do a Macos9->OS X jump and axe nearly all backwards compatibility and be a real start over i might move back to windows. Maybe by the time MS does that OS X will have gotten to be a pile of cruft and I will be tired of it.
That doesn't make it invalid. Especially since the case is a california case.
Furthermore if it's appealed it will just end up getting appealed in a federal court which will rule the same way.
The ruling was exactly correct and this ruling will stand.
Actually, the CIA has stated that what happened was a act of treason, but the man focus is on who gave the info to Novak (who is a shithead regardless) . The CIA has stated that someone in the whitehouse committed treason and they have a sort list of who it could be since you have to be at a decent level up.
Last I read the path is basically focused on Cheney and his immediate staff, and Rove. Since people below wouldn't have known unless those above told them.
Damn your Dumb! Read before posting dumb things. No two things are exactly the same even if designed as such. And yes you can get in two identical cars and one will perform different.
It's a calibration, the whole concept is no two things are the same. Any piece of instrumentation needs to be calibrated and that calibration is set for that device. No manufacturing can produce 2 identical things, just not possible since the two items could not share the same time and space in the universe together thus both are going to be slightly different.
Anytime you get a piece of gear, you get it setup, then you take some means of calibrating it and test it with something that has deemed to be as accurate as possible. Maybe some source such as a rock. But basically anything that will provide a common test basis for the device.
So say you are measuring temperatures on something in a lab. You set up a big system for collecting data off a bunch of thermocouples. Each one has it's own channel through it's own voltage modules and thermocouples and so forth. So you take a calibrator and have it feed a signal through the system to mimic a thermocouple. you get a calibration curve for a channel, then you go to the next channel with the same device and do the same for the next channel, this will be a different calibration. and then you work through them all. I have system set up with 16 channels at work and all use the same parts, but there is about 4 closely similar calibrations across the channels, but no two channels follow the same calibration.
NASA did the same, they built the devices, then calibrated them with the same rocks, and developed a calibration curve for each system, and that was to be kept with each rover, they swapped the instruments, so now they switch the calibrations and everything is fine.
This all goes back to simple accuracy and how close you can get things, but bottom line no two things are the same. Look at computers, you can have 100 computers, exactly the same built right in a row, with the exact same software and so forth. Turn them on and let the run under exact same conditions, some will have hardware failures, some will have software get wacky on them and so forth. It's just the way it works.
This is much smaller then micro-ATX, and a complete deferent form factor then anything else.
The reason shuttle is able to make the boxes like they do is not using a standard form-factor. The regular G sized shuttles are close to Flex-ATX, but not quite. This is a bit bigger. Then there is the BTX i Chassis which is really close to the BTX form factor but a good bit bigger then this machine.
where the real difference comes with shuttles is the packaging. You will be very hard pressed to find a micro atx case that is anywhere near this small, and has a CD that isn't vertical mounted, and accepts Full height PCI/AGP cards. Shuttles mean you have no trade offs from normal ATX machines, but they are much smaller.
Not that some things Intel does isn't marketing driven. I doubt they would go about doing this if they didn't have good reason to.
It's not like this would be an easy thing to sell in some way that people would really understand very well. But regardless they aren't going to develop a whole new piece of hardware that is worthless. Making a design decision that pushes something down a bad path like clock speed is a whole different issue. I'm pretty sure intel guys would think this one out before spending a ton of cash working on it.
I think intel is realizing that the future is much brighter in them delivering better hardware solutions for distributing out the computer to many parts instead of everything done in software in the CPU. Not only does it mean their cpus don't have to work as much thus less heat and power draw, but it also means they get to sell more chips. And specialized hardware will always be faster then software. The CPU should be used for stuff that can't be easily hardware done, or for emerging things. Once it gets well define it should get moved out to it's own chip.
I just picture them moving towards more centrenio type families
What about the existence of Cheese?
Penn state does this too, though mainly as temporary sidewalks.
PSU is also the place that invented spray on grass, basically grass seed, with liquid fertilizer and green pigment. They spray it on bare dirt and it it looks like grass from a distance, then in time real grass should grow. But from what i saw that rarely happens and it just gets washed into cracks in the first rain.
Not a bad idea.
I think students have been trying this as schools all over the country. They walk were it makes sense, and you can see the beaten paths were they go, thus were the sidewalk should be.
Unfortunately the school i went to, Penn State, decided that if students make a path across an area, that the best solution is to put up a drooping chain fence, or to put some scrubs at the ends of were they walked. Instead of just getting rid of the paths no one uses and moving them to were they do. Unfortunately many sidewalk were designed purely for style and zero function. Making something look good is nice, and should be attempted, but making it look nice but functionally suck is no good.
Oh, and if a PSU sidewalk person is reading this, asphalt is not a sidewalk material! Nor is concrete sidewalks made with forms that were put down by a drunken OPP guy.
Furthermore, you can't price your rocket and ship out based on used parts, salvage and ebay stuff anyways.
When do something like this for anyone to care it has to be all available/still made parts that anyone can get and priced at their actual price. In other words, if it works could you build them over and over and at what price.
Saying "you suck nasa, look what we did" when you managed to find a main engine to a saturn V on ebay for 25 bucks, or bought some dented Russian rockets cheap doesn't really count.
Using used parts are fine for a one time thing to show you could do it. Burt Rutan used some used Jet engines for white knight. But if he was to build more of them over again, he would have to go to new engines and add that to the overall cost.
but what color/wavelength is your chisel?
Yeah, imagine it now, climb to a nice overlook on a clear night, maybe with you special someone, sitting back to watch the stars and in the sky.
"Refinance you home, Call Earl at 555-Loan"
Wonderful.
Some astronomer gets the latest shot from his telescope and an incredible image is ruined by a add for Outback Steakhouse.
This is definitely an issue. I think they will have to build a sort of mini UPS into the system. A small battery, a Cap and some other filter bits. To at least handle things better then a PSU can, and be able to shut the computer down. This thing will probably have some minimal PSU anyways. Just integrate a UPS and PSU into one. By joining the two into one, they both are simpler, since a UPS has to make DC power anyways, just take it right off the battery and into the DC-DCs.
You are a true visionary to ecological problems do to computer. Move our crap pile to some other place and put a great spin on it, wonderful, problem solved.
Ever see the clips showing mountains of computer parts in some of those countries with people just out there banging on them like something out of 2001 space odyssey?
They aint' going to do anything with a pile of parts. They are going to do about as much with that as all of use with the pile of parts we built up from out old stuff for that robot project thats never going to happen.
The better solution is to not make computers such a throw away item and have them be easily recycled when done with and such.