Funny story about the LaserJet 1200. If you use a Mac, if you install the driver CD on a clean OS 9.0.4 through 9.2.2 install (in a "MacOS All Set" of extensions), the printer will not print until you uninstall that shit and just use the laserwriter driver that apple makes.
Now, if you want to talk about a printer that caused a couple fist fights in Boise, I can start talking about the LaserJet 3200. Google around, the firmware fucking sucked (and that isn't just a gratutious use of profanity, the firmware was really that bad) in the first 6 or so firmware revisions. Best of all, upgrading the firmware required HP to send out a dimm that the users would install. It took well over a year for HP to release a firmware DIMM that, you know, printed and shit without giving a firmware error. I would really like to see if they broke even on that printer after you look at support costs, etc. I doubt it.
And yes, the 3200 was the first multifunction laser printer under the command of Carly. (The 33xx series on a Mac never worked a damn either)
That is about right... IIRC the 4100's had been out for about 2 years when I started working as a phone monkey for them in 2002. They really didn't have that many problems aside from a couple paper pick issues beacause of old rollers. Oh, and every so often, some fucking kid would stick some shit in the engine test hole and break the button inside causing it to print nothing but engine tests.
The 4100's had the "you can print envelopes if you don't mind lines on your regular 8.5x11 printouts" fuser issues as well as a ton of other fuser issues. There was some rare firmware issues for both, but both got fixed by the second or third revision.
You're missing the point. There isn't any protection for journalists in most states, and certainly not on a federal level. Now, perhaps there "should be", but in effect, there isn't. Some federal judges get stiffys when they throw a reporter in jail for "obstruction of justice".
Hollywood movies go for $3-5 on PPV off dish network and the like. Economies of scale and all that, but you're comparing 43 minutes (@what, 2 mil an episode?) vs ~100 minutes (@75 mil?) and if they leave commercials in the tv episodes...
I think they wouldn't rape you on price all that much - unless the whole "OMG Digital! Tehy can copi!" mentality comes into play. Some folks there realize that if they push too hard, they will force the entire movement underground to a place where they have real difficulty tracking it - i.e. freenet. A whole bunch of people on freenet probably wouldn't hurt speeds either, especially if they leave their boxes on 24/7
I agree with you on not giving up any fair use type rights - if there is a bunch of BS DRM, et al, most people will just continue downloading stuff elsewhere.
Hahaha, yes, because company-sponsored binding arbitration (where the arbitrator is, of course, picked, and paid for by the company who did something bad) has worked so well in the past in ensuring that the whole "conflict of interest" issue doesn't pop up.
By all accounts BoA has made reasonable effort to protect its data, its tapes and its customers.
Sure, if they encrypted the data, and I don't know, didn't ship them in an unsealed cardboard box with a "BoA Customer Records, steal me for 1.2 million free credit cards and a billion dollars in credit" sticker on the side.
If not, they didn't make a "reasonable effort". There really can't be any debate here, you can only be so naive. I mean, who would think that you can't trust the TSA dude (yes, the same dudes with the fabric badges) with over a million accounts?
It doesn't take much thought to implement even the most basic security precautions and really, sometimes it just is basic common sense.
I see some of the mind-bogglingly stupid stuff that some companies do on a regular basis and I'm sick of seeing them act shocked when something happens.
Really, some of these examples in the last couple of weeks have had me reading the article, blinking a couple of time, staring at the screen for about 15 minutes and then standing up, waving my arms, scowling and yelling "WHAT THE FUCK?!"
"Holy shit! You mean this Rolex I bought in Mexico City from a street vendor isn't real?"
That all said, it was probably some airport screener who was pissed at BoA and dumped them in a trash can. Still...
Oh... and in case you forgot, the "victim" won't BoA or Choicepoint or the "Dumbass Company of the Week(TM)", the victim is going to be the guy on a military salary who got his identity stolen and will be trying to clean up his credit record for the next 5 years while BoA shrugs their shoulders and does fuckal except for lobby Congress for more protection against lawsuits.a
Even a.22 will screw up a hard drive, but you'll probably be able to recover some data (but you can silence a.22 really well, if you use sub sonic rounds) Just don't shoot it at an 45 degree angle or something.
Something a bit bigger, like a.380 or 9mm will a.) put a nice 9mm hole into the platter b.) make a nice and small entry hole c.) warp the platter so severly that some of the platter will end up outside the casing. linky d.) penetrate more than 1 drive.
That said, open it up and nuke the platters for 10 minutes, you'll be fine;)
Registrizzle frizzle. http://software-dl.real.com/26624ed225ac 7a5b7c16/r ia/entinst.exe http://get.real.com/RBR3/200.96.99 .13/26624ed225ac 7a5b7c16/ria/entinst.exe Thanks btw. Real alternative works pretty well, but I will have to check it out.
Oh and to speak to the moral issue with Clinton...I'm sorry but if someone is willing to go against the covenant he made with his wife, why would I trust him to keep any other promise or covenant? If he is willing to throw out his trust with his wife, he shows his character very plainly.
You mean like Newt Gingrich? Well, hell, that's not the same. His wife had MS and was old and stuff...
Sure, no problem. Let me know (/.login @gmail.com)if you can print from a computer after resetting the dates or resetting the printer (oh, and #3, #6, #9 are the resets, #3 being the most severe)
You might be stuck using those carts for only standalone copying / faxing.
Doubt there is any formal documentation, especially from HP. As far as I know, the fuse is inside the drum assembly, although the connector is on the outside. That said, the fuse should be pretty hefty, the imaging drum is charged to a couple thousand volts, as is the ITB. Not sure of the amperage, but I doubt you'd want to grab it when it is charged (and especially not the fuser, anything that can heat something to 300C in about 15 seconds takes a fair bit of amperage). There is, as I recall, a connector that has (IIRC, it's been a while, it may be the ITB) 2ish x 10ish pins on the imaging drum plus 2 or 4 big connectors, so while I'm assuming that the fuse is hefty, it might not be.
I suppose all you would have to do to defeat it is just hack up an old drum / itb and hook a fuse up the the electrical contacts, figure out what blows when you turn on the printer. Or just rip apart the thing and look for a fuse. It isn't designed to be "replacable", but that shouldn't stop you... A drum runs about a hundred bucks from HP and lasts 6k color pages, so you have some incentive... Oh, I believe the drum has an eeprom too, but it's probably simple, I think it just counts rotations. I know I'm being vague, perhaps too much so. If I had a printer here, I could be a bit more help.
You have stupid overzealous prosecutors out there who will bring stupid things to trial if they find out. I don't have much faith in the average American either, so the whole "trial by jury"* thing doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings either.
(*Well, you will get a trial, but not for a year or so, hope you can post bail)
Take this case, about a month old, they are charging a minor, who took naked pictures of (just) herself, with "sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography". http://www.post-gazette.com/breakin g/20040329pornp 6.asp eh?
Or this recent gem, which should be downright scary. http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003- 04-17/fe ature2.html/1/index.html
These folks were arrested, had to post bond to be released, their house was searched, CPS did show up and CPS did take their kid.
In the good old USA, you can be brought up on charges because some hick cop or religious fundie comes across your site and has a hissy fit.
I'm not sure if you knew of cases such as this, but I think they had to be raised./land of the free indeed.//the more you know, the more ulcers you get.
Not trying to defend HP or anyone, but when nozzles start dying from lack of ink, they tend to do so en masse. Not saying it is ok that they kill the cart, but you probably have about 20-40 pages (or one or two full color photos) between when the head starts to die due to lack of ink to a point where less than 10% of print nozzles still work.
Not really an excuse, but I can imagine the "oh no, it just says low, why does it look like shit" tech support calls - I called years ago about a inkjet for that exact reason, so I'm sure that many others have called. Of course, there are a ton of other benefits for the manufacturer.
Oh, by the way, toner dumping on paper? Scratch on the imaging drum (*cough*)/ fuser causing a repetitive defect? Call HP:) They will be glad to send you a newer toner cartridge next day air... (Personal laserjet support can LJ 4+ stuff out, even if their systems crap out when you give them a "short" serial number and they put you on hold 50x because they don't know what to do - don't let the call directors bully you and charge you for the calls, you don't have to pay for an in-warranty consumable (any toner cartridge with any amount of toner in it, any fuser with less pages than the replacement period, etc)
Time is set on the PSC 950 and AFAIK all AIOs based on the computer's time. There are a couple of dates set in the printer, but they can be changed / reset.
Hold * and # while pressing 123. You'll get into the service menu. Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (bad idea, it will die eventually, but cool light show, especially if you throw a prism on the glass).
I think holding *9 (it is "*" + "some number", might be *7) while plugging in the printer will do a reset on the unit. *3 does a complete reset (and will screw up some printers, not the psc 950 though) That will wipe out settings, saved fax numbers, etc. Just a heads up. Of course, unplug the usb cable before doing this.
Time is set on the PSC 950 and AFAIK all AIOs based on the computer's time. There are a couple of dates set in the printer, but they can be changed / reset.
Hold * and # while pressing 123. You'll get into the service menu. Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (bad idea, it will die eventually, but cool light show, especially if you throw a prism on the glass).
I think holding *9 (it is "*" + "some number", might be *7) while plugging in the printer will do a reset on the unit. *3 does a complete reset (and will screw up some printers, not the psc 950 though) That will wipe out settings, saved fax numbers, etc. Just a heads up. Of course, unplug the usb cable before doing this. ./guess where I worked;) (it has been a while)
I can see how this could be modded as funny, but it isn't. He wasn't making a joke. HP's newer printers (and others) use something called "underprinting". Just before the black is printed, a layer of color ink is printed, and the black prints over on top of it. That "makes the black ink appear darker". Or it is supposed to. It sounds like not-so-clever marketing./shrug.
Just a wee bit of a devil's advocate thingy on point 2. If they use a thermal system (and to my knowledge, hp only uses thermal, epsons and their licensed stuff uses peizos), if you run a thermal print head (heat ink up, ink drops out) without any ink, you basically burn up the print head. The ink provides a bit of cooling - enough so that the resistors don't burn up and die.
That said, if your print head is in the cartridge (it is with most), you can't claim this. Who cares about a dying print head in an empty cartridge.
HP does make printers that have seperate print heads, but they aren't the majority. Of course, warranty issue arise, you (as a company) don't want to have to replace a print head because "Bubba's Backyard Brew" Ink is too thick and gummed up the ink channels in your print head.
Kind of a side note, but... HP also sells officejets. The D series uses a seperate print head, and they still rape you on the ink. Granted, they subsitute KY instead of the usual icy-hot, but... In that case, I can sort of understand an expiry date, etc. If you run the print heads dry, they die (they use what amounts to resistors that heat up the ink and pump it out that way, no ink, no cooling, they basically burn up)
Congrats on talking to HP's Mac Tech support for AIO's. Formerly located just outside of Portland, Oregon, this is now served by Canadians in one of the "who the fuck cares, it's east of Quebec and all they do there is fish" Provinces.
The date is set based on communication from the Mac, early versions of the OSX AIO driver set the time to Zulu / Greenwich Mean time (or something like that) when a job was printed, so just adjusting the date / time on the computer should resolve that.
Try holding *,# and then typing 123 on the keypad. You should be able to get to the service menu that way. Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (cool light show)./guess where I worked;)
If so, then HP has not been a real business for a long time, but has been merely piggybacking on the ignorance of its customers. And that means that Carly Fiorina was not a businesswoman at all, but merely good at giving the appearance of competence. And that, in turn means that people who write for the business press are completely incompetent, too. Indeed. Anything with the "new HP logo" (you know, the shiny glue on, 3d one) on it just isn't anything like the pre-Carly version. I'm not saying it is all crap, but it just isn't the same. Some of it _is_ crap - say, did anyone here have a LaserJet 3200? Interesting story, fist fights broke out several times in the HP offices between engineers and the such when the 3200's codename was mentioned. I'd say more, but NDA and all that. I'm sure others can confirm) I have a LaserJet 3 from 1992 and it still works. Slow, but it even has ghetto old postscript;) I have no doubt that my more recent HP products will die by 2015.
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Funny story about the LaserJet 1200. If you use a Mac, if you install the driver CD on a clean OS 9.0.4 through 9.2.2 install (in a "MacOS All Set" of extensions), the printer will not print until you uninstall that shit and just use the laserwriter driver that apple makes.
Now, if you want to talk about a printer that caused a couple fist fights in Boise, I can start talking about the LaserJet 3200. Google around, the firmware fucking sucked (and that isn't just a gratutious use of profanity, the firmware was really that bad) in the first 6 or so firmware revisions. Best of all, upgrading the firmware required HP to send out a dimm that the users would install. It took well over a year for HP to release a firmware DIMM that, you know, printed and shit without giving a firmware error.
I would really like to see if they broke even on that printer after you look at support costs, etc.
I doubt it.
And yes, the 3200 was the first multifunction laser printer under the command of Carly. (The 33xx series on a Mac never worked a damn either)
That is about right... IIRC the 4100's had been out for about 2 years when I started working as a phone monkey for them in 2002. They really didn't have that many problems aside from a couple paper pick issues beacause of old rollers. Oh, and every so often, some fucking kid would stick some shit in the engine test hole and break the button inside causing it to print nothing but engine tests.
The 4100's had the "you can print envelopes if you don't mind lines on your regular 8.5x11 printouts" fuser issues as well as a ton of other fuser issues. There was some rare firmware issues for both, but both got fixed by the second or third revision.
We, uhh, do. A $15,000 fine for a company who had revenues of over 100 million last year... fucking please...
You're missing the point. There isn't any protection for journalists in most states, and certainly not on a federal level. Now, perhaps there "should be", but in effect, there isn't. Some federal judges get stiffys when they throw a reporter in jail for "obstruction of justice".
Hollywood movies go for $3-5 on PPV off dish network and the like. Economies of scale and all that, but you're comparing 43 minutes (@what, 2 mil an episode?) vs ~100 minutes (@75 mil?) and if they leave commercials in the tv episodes...
I think they wouldn't rape you on price all that much - unless the whole "OMG Digital! Tehy can copi!" mentality comes into play. Some folks there realize that if they push too hard, they will force the entire movement underground to a place where they have real difficulty tracking it - i.e. freenet. A whole bunch of people on freenet probably wouldn't hurt speeds either, especially if they leave their boxes on 24/7
I agree with you on not giving up any fair use type rights - if there is a bunch of BS DRM, et al, most people will just continue downloading stuff elsewhere.
You'd have a bit more credibility if your fucking links worked...
Actually, it sort of was the Germans who did 2-8 too. Sure, they were working for the Americans or the Russians, but . . .
Hahaha, yes, because company-sponsored binding arbitration (where the arbitrator is, of course, picked, and paid for by the company who did something bad) has worked so well in the past in ensuring that the whole "conflict of interest" issue doesn't pop up.
By all accounts BoA has made reasonable effort to protect its data, its tapes and its customers.
Sure, if they encrypted the data, and I don't know, didn't ship them in an unsealed cardboard box with a "BoA Customer Records, steal me for 1.2 million free credit cards and a billion dollars in credit" sticker on the side.
If not, they didn't make a "reasonable effort". There really can't be any debate here, you can only be so naive. I mean, who would think that you can't trust the TSA dude (yes, the same dudes with the fabric badges) with over a million accounts?
It doesn't take much thought to implement even the most basic security precautions and really, sometimes it just is basic common sense.
I see some of the mind-bogglingly stupid stuff that some companies do on a regular basis and I'm sick of seeing them act shocked when something happens.
Really, some of these examples in the last couple of weeks have had me reading the article, blinking a couple of time, staring at the screen for about 15 minutes and then standing up, waving my arms, scowling and yelling "WHAT THE FUCK?!"
"Holy shit! You mean this Rolex I bought in Mexico City from a street vendor isn't real?"
That all said, it was probably some airport screener who was pissed at BoA and dumped them in a trash can. Still...
Oh... and in case you forgot, the "victim" won't BoA or Choicepoint or the "Dumbass Company of the Week(TM)", the victim is going to be the guy on a military salary who got his identity stolen and will be trying to clean up his credit record for the next 5 years while BoA shrugs their shoulders and does fuckal except for lobby Congress for more protection against lawsuits.a
Even a .22 will screw up a hard drive, but you'll probably be able to recover some data (but you can silence a .22 really well, if you use sub sonic rounds) Just don't shoot it at an 45 degree angle or something.
.380 or 9mm will
;)
Something a bit bigger, like a
a.) put a nice 9mm hole into the platter
b.) make a nice and small entry hole
c.) warp the platter so severly that some of the platter will end up outside the casing.
linky
d.) penetrate more than 1 drive.
That said, open it up and nuke the platters for 10 minutes, you'll be fine
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http://software-dl.real.com/26624ed225a
http://get.real.com/RBR3/200.96.9
Thanks btw. Real alternative works pretty well, but I will have to check it out.
Oh and to speak to the moral issue with Clinton...I'm sorry but if someone is willing to go against the covenant he made with his wife, why would I trust him to keep any other promise or covenant? If he is willing to throw out his trust with his wife, he shows his character very plainly.
You mean like Newt Gingrich? Well, hell, that's not the same. His wife had MS and was old and stuff...
They, uh.. did that whole medals thing for being incompetent about a month ago. Don't know if you remember.
or get a free mac mini, put it on ebay buy two psps...
Sure, no problem.
Let me know (/.login @gmail.com)if you can print from a computer after resetting the dates or resetting the printer (oh, and #3, #6, #9 are the resets, #3 being the most severe)
You might be stuck using those carts for only standalone copying / faxing.
Doubt there is any formal documentation, especially from HP. As far as I know, the fuse is inside the drum assembly, although the connector is on the outside. That said, the fuse should be pretty hefty, the imaging drum is charged to a couple thousand volts, as is the ITB.
Not sure of the amperage, but I doubt you'd want to grab it when it is charged (and especially not the fuser, anything that can heat something to 300C in about 15 seconds takes a fair bit of amperage).
There is, as I recall, a connector that has (IIRC, it's been a while, it may be the ITB) 2ish x 10ish pins on the imaging drum plus 2 or 4 big connectors, so while I'm assuming that the fuse is hefty, it might not be.
I suppose all you would have to do to defeat it is just hack up an old drum / itb and hook a fuse up the the electrical contacts, figure out what blows when you turn on the printer. Or just rip apart the thing and look for a fuse.
It isn't designed to be "replacable", but that shouldn't stop you... A drum runs about a hundred bucks from HP and lasts 6k color pages, so you have some incentive...
Oh, I believe the drum has an eeprom too, but it's probably simple, I think it just counts rotations.
I know I'm being vague, perhaps too much so. If I had a printer here, I could be a bit more help.
whoa there.
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/land of the free indeed. //the more you know, the more ulcers you get.
Hold on.
You have stupid overzealous prosecutors out there who will bring stupid things to trial if they find out.
I don't have much faith in the average American either, so the whole "trial by jury"* thing doesn't give me any warm and fuzzy feelings either.
(*Well, you will get a trial, but not for a year or so, hope you can post bail)
Take this case, about a month old, they are charging a minor, who took naked pictures of (just) herself, with "sexual abuse of children, possession of child pornography and dissemination of child pornography".
http://www.post-gazette.com/breaki
eh?
Or this recent gem, which should be downright scary.
http://www.dallasobserver.com/issues/2003
These folks were arrested, had to post bond to be released, their house was searched, CPS did show up and CPS did take their kid.
In the good old USA, you can be brought up on charges because some hick cop or religious fundie comes across your site and has a hissy fit.
I'm not sure if you knew of cases such as this, but I think they had to be raised.
Not trying to defend HP or anyone, but when nozzles start dying from lack of ink, they tend to do so en masse. Not saying it is ok that they kill the cart, but you probably have about 20-40 pages (or one or two full color photos) between when the head starts to die due to lack of ink to a point where less than 10% of print nozzles still work.
:)
Not really an excuse, but I can imagine the "oh no, it just says low, why does it look like shit" tech support calls - I called years ago about a inkjet for that exact reason, so I'm sure that many others have called. Of course, there are a ton of other benefits for the manufacturer.
Oh, by the way, toner dumping on paper? Scratch on the imaging drum (*cough*)/ fuser causing a repetitive defect?
Call HP
They will be glad to send you a newer toner cartridge next day air...
(Personal laserjet support can LJ 4+ stuff out, even if their systems crap out when you give them a "short" serial number and they put you on hold 50x because they don't know what to do - don't let the call directors bully you and charge you for the calls, you don't have to pay for an in-warranty consumable (any toner cartridge with any amount of toner in it, any fuser with less pages than the replacement period, etc)
Time is set on the PSC 950 and AFAIK all AIOs based on the computer's time. There are a couple of dates set in the printer, but they can be changed / reset.
Hold * and # while pressing 123.
You'll get into the service menu.
Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (bad idea, it will die eventually, but cool light show, especially if you throw a prism on the glass).
I think holding *9 (it is "*" + "some number", might be *7) while plugging in the printer will do a reset on the unit. *3 does a complete reset (and will screw up some printers, not the psc 950 though) That will wipe out settings, saved fax numbers, etc. Just a heads up.
Of course, unplug the usb cable before doing this.
Time is set on the PSC 950 and AFAIK all AIOs based on the computer's time. There are a couple of dates set in the printer, but they can be changed / reset.
/guess where I worked ;) (it has been a while)
Hold * and # while pressing 123.
You'll get into the service menu.
Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (bad idea, it will die eventually, but cool light show, especially if you throw a prism on the glass).
I think holding *9 (it is "*" + "some number", might be *7) while plugging in the printer will do a reset on the unit. *3 does a complete reset (and will screw up some printers, not the psc 950 though) That will wipe out settings, saved fax numbers, etc. Just a heads up.
Of course, unplug the usb cable before doing this.
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I can see how this could be modded as funny, but it isn't. He wasn't making a joke. /shrug.
HP's newer printers (and others) use something called "underprinting". Just before the black is printed, a layer of color ink is printed, and the black prints over on top of it.
That "makes the black ink appear darker".
Or it is supposed to.
It sounds like not-so-clever marketing.
Just a wee bit of a devil's advocate thingy on point 2.
If they use a thermal system (and to my knowledge, hp only uses thermal, epsons and their licensed stuff uses peizos), if you run a thermal print head (heat ink up, ink drops out) without any ink, you basically burn up the print head. The ink provides a bit of cooling - enough so that the resistors don't burn up and die.
That said, if your print head is in the cartridge (it is with most), you can't claim this. Who cares about a dying print head in an empty cartridge.
HP does make printers that have seperate print heads, but they aren't the majority. Of course, warranty issue arise, you (as a company) don't want to have to replace a print head because "Bubba's Backyard Brew" Ink is too thick and gummed up the ink channels in your print head.
Kind of a side note, but...
HP also sells officejets. The D series uses a seperate print head, and they still rape you on the ink. Granted, they subsitute KY instead of the usual icy-hot, but...
In that case, I can sort of understand an expiry date, etc. If you run the print heads dry, they die (they use what amounts to resistors that heat up the ink and pump it out that way, no ink, no cooling, they basically burn up)
Congrats on talking to HP's Mac Tech support for AIO's. Formerly located just outside of Portland, Oregon, this is now served by Canadians in one of the "who the fuck cares, it's east of Quebec and all they do there is fish" Provinces.
/guess where I worked ;)
The date is set based on communication from the Mac, early versions of the OSX AIO driver set the time to Zulu / Greenwich Mean time (or something like that) when a job was printed, so just adjusting the date / time on the computer should resolve that.
Try holding *,# and then typing 123 on the keypad. You should be able to get to the service menu that way. Have fun playing with the diagnostics, you can make the scanner test the scanner motor for days at a time (cool light show).
If so, then HP has not been a real business for a long time, but has been merely piggybacking on the ignorance of its customers. And that means that Carly Fiorina was not a businesswoman at all, but merely good at giving the appearance of competence. And that, in turn means that people who write for the business press are completely incompetent, too. ;)
Indeed. Anything with the "new HP logo" (you know, the shiny glue on, 3d one) on it just isn't anything like the pre-Carly version.
I'm not saying it is all crap, but it just isn't the same.
Some of it _is_ crap - say, did anyone here have a LaserJet 3200?
Interesting story, fist fights broke out several times in the HP offices between engineers and the such when the 3200's codename was mentioned. I'd say more, but NDA and all that. I'm sure others can confirm)
I have a LaserJet 3 from 1992 and it still works. Slow, but it even has ghetto old postscript
I have no doubt that my more recent HP products will die by 2015.