If you already own the CD, why are you downloading the MP3.
The RIAA is going to base their chksums on songs they download off the net. Things get unpredictable with multiple bitrates, VBR, different ID3 tags, etc.
To do this, you would need to decode the MP3, reandomize or encode a picture into those least-significant bits, and reencode. This would destroy sound quality. MP3 is a lossy format. It's going to sound crappy if you decode it and reencode it.
sorry...this is one of my pet peeves. A LOT of people are saying that effects in songs are a vocoder when they are actually an auto-tune. The "Cher-effect" is achieved on an auto-tune by setting the slide time to zero.
An auto-tune is a pitch shifting device, while a vocoder is a bunch of band-pass filters, envelope followers, and VCA's (amplifiers.) To hear what a VOCODER sounds like, try Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express, or Styx - Mr. Roboto.
I don't know who keeps telling everyone that the zero-slide autotune effect is a vocoder, but it isn't.
The Simpsons episode with the "Studio Magic" came out WAAAAAYYYY after people were using pitch-correction. During the episode, there is a small sample of autotune. If I remember correctly, Ralph was singing "gonna get in love formation" (in the music video) through an auto-tune device. Autotune was actually probably used in the other singing in that episode.
I've been thinking about this for a while. The only reason record labels exist are to distribute CD's to stores, promotion, and payola. They are afraid MP3s will eliminate the need to distribute anything.
Good will come out of this if it happens. Artists will be able to distribute music for free, without record labels will die, there will be no more payola, and we'll start hearing good music on the radio. I do hope vinyl and CDs never die (and they won't. Bands that have talent will gain the money to produce CDs and records), but free promotion/distribution? Why do we need a label again?
I will gladly and proudly dispise anybody who uses this little device in anything but electronica. The point of electronica is to make things sound as electronic as possible, and this box helps that. (Although *I* would prefer a vocoder.)
You can take OUT vocals, and possibly other instruments if everything is panned correctly (which will only happen if you are lucky.) Vocals are usually panned towards the center, and instruments are usually not.
To take out anything panned to the center, you take a stereo track, invert one of the channels, and mix the two channels down to a mono track, and if you're lucky, you get a vocal-less version of the song.
As for seperating instruments... I might go as far as to call this impossible.
Its suprizing to see this thing on slashdot after I've known about it for years. Autotune's not just for singers. I've heard about it being used with instruments such as clarinets.
Its been used to get a neat effect out of it when you set the slide time to zero. (For example, Daft Punk's One More Time.)
They DO have useful applications, for example, if you're producing a track, the singer has left, and you notice the singer is a little off pitch.
Oh, and if you're going to Britney Spears concerts because you enjoy the quality of the music, I hate to say it, but (because of how the music industry is,) you're missing the point.
Also, this is the first time I've heard it been called an "Auto-tuner." Probebly a news reporters take on the name. It's a little like saying "making a xerox" instead of "making a copy." There are two companies that I know that make pitch-correction devieces. Antares and some other company whose name I can't think of at the moment.
ALSO, one other thing to add that is a pet peeve of mine. AUTO-TUNE DOES NOT EQUAL VOCODER.
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Downloading will go for most people....but if you're like me, changing linux distros and hard drives from day to day:P, you want your music on a physical medium, weather its vinyl, CD, or 8 track tape...okay maybe I would prefer MP3's to 8 track.
MP3s and OGGs can be real handy because they're easy to transfer and carry (in a player), but nothing beats owning it in a physical medium.
"A vinyl record has a groove carved into it that mirrors the original sound's waveform. This means that no information is lost."
That is very wrong...
Audio is often transferred to a digital medium before being put on vinyl nowdays, and even then, before being cut into a master, the sound must be processed to prevent weird things from happening when you play/press the record.
the point of loving vinyl is not sound quality (although I prefer it to CD,) but the geeky idea that the sound is stored physically, and played back mechanicly, which means that a CDR with added turntable noize, humming, etc won't satisfy us "vinyl psuddo-elitists"
you're friends were obviously choosing turntables over cds because you told them you were playing the turntable sample, however 60 cycle humms (and other low frequencys) could warm up the sounds.
but if you are hearing 60 cycle humms while listening to vinyl, either it was put there by the person who created the music, or something is grounded when it shouldn't be.
as much as i love vinal, i'll admit it has its flaws. it does snap crakle and pop sometimes, more on the old stuff than the new, and only when you dont take care of your records. you can't take vinyl with you like an OGG player (boo mp3!)
i don't think digital audio will replace analog audio, or vice versa.
[NOTE: This is a very big rant, and I'm warning you now that if you're the type of person that doesn't like reading rants....well then don't read it. (My comments are inclosed in []'s)]
May 14, 2003
Neo Keanu Reeves Morpheus Laurence Fishburne Agent Smith Hugo Weaving Trinity Carrie-Anne Moss Oracle Gloria Foster Niobe Jada Pinkett Smith Zee Nona Gaye Lock Harry Lennix Link Harold Perrineau Persephone Monica Bellucci Twins Neil and Adrian Rayment
Warner Bros. presents a film written and directed by Andy Wachowski and Larry Wachowski. Running time: 138 minutes. Rated R (for sci-fi violence and some sexuality).
BY ROGER EBERT
Commander Lock: "Not everyone believes what you believe."
Morpheus: "My beliefs do not require that they do."
Characters are always talking like this in "The Matrix Reloaded," which plays like a collaboration involving a geek, a comic book and the smartest kid in Philosophy 101. Morpheus in particular unreels extended speeches that remind me of Laurence Olivier's remarks when he won his honorary Oscar--the speech that had Jon Voight going "God!" on TV, but in print turned out to be quasi-Shakespearean doublespeak. The speeches provide not meaning, but the effect of meaning: It sure sounds like those guys are saying some profound things.
That will not prevent fanboys from analyzing the philosophy of "The Matrix Reloaded" in endless Web postings. Part of the fun is becoming an expert in the deep meaning of shallow pop mythology; there is something refreshingly ironic about becoming an authority on the transient extrusions of mass culture, and Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) now joins Obi-Wan Kenobi as the Plato of our age.
[Shallow pop mythology? If you ask me the Matrix is pretty deep. The part where Neo gets power in "the real world" is pretty weird, but who is to say this could not happen? Buddist monks can make them selves lighter and run faster just by thinking of it.]
I say this not in disapproval, but in amusement. "The Matrix" (1999), written and directed by the brothers Andy and Larry Wachowski, inspired so much inflamed pseudo-philosophy that it's all "The Matrix Reloaded" can do to stay ahead of its followers. It is an immensely skillful sci-fi adventure, combining the usual elements: heroes and villains, special effects and stunts, chases and explosions, romance and oratory. It develops its world with more detail than the first movie was able to afford, gives us our first glimpse of the underground human city of Zion, burrows closer to the heart of the secret of the Matrix, and promotes its hero, Neo, from confused draftee to a Christ figure in training.
[Pseudo-philosophy? Whatever, I just disagree.]
As we learned in "The Matrix," the Machines need human bodies, millions and millions of them, for their ability to generate electricity. In an astonishing sequence, we saw countless bodies locked in pods around central cores that extended out of sight above and below. The Matrix is the virtual reality that provides the minds of these sleepers with the illusion that they are active and productive. Questions arise, such as, is there no more efficient way to generate power? And why give the humans dreams when they would generate just as much energy if comatose? And why create such a complex virtual world for each and every one of them, when they could all be given the same illusion and be none the wiser? Why is each dreamer himself or herself, occupying the same body in virtual reality as the one asleep in the pod?
[Why not?]
But never mind. [Okay...] We are grateful that 250,000 humans have escaped from the grid of the Matrix, and gathered to build Zion, which is "near the Earth's core--where there is more heat." As the movie opens, we are alarmed to learn that the Machines are drilling toward Zion so quickly that they will arrive in 36 hours. We may also wonder if Zion and its free citizens really exist, or if the humans only think so, but that leads to a lo
Did the author of this article really have to link to pokemon.com?
Not only is pokemon not popular anymore (which means it wouldn't be a best selling item on Amazon,) it is completely irrevelent. Even if the author was talking about somthing popular like say GameCube for example, a link is completely unnecessary.
Slashdot Mirror
We the people should make our own nameservers, and make fair rules governing who gets to own what domain.
Or am I being ignorent to some sad fact?
If you already own the CD, why are you downloading the MP3.
The RIAA is going to base their chksums on songs they download off the net. Things get unpredictable with multiple bitrates, VBR, different ID3 tags, etc.
To do this, you would need to decode the MP3, reandomize or encode a picture into those least-significant bits, and reencode. This would destroy sound quality. MP3 is a lossy format. It's going to sound crappy if you decode it and reencode it.
http://www.frontalot.com/mp3/mc_frontalot_-_bragga docio.mp3
Yes... Thats auto-tune in the chorus.
While not TECHNICALLY a vocoder, the digitech talker is definately not an autotune.
:)
My bad. Guess I'm not much of an expert on Cher
It would seem like a stupid thing to go through all that trouble with the vocoder when an auto-tune would have achieved the same effect.
NO IT WASN'T!!! DIE DIE DIE!!!
sorry...this is one of my pet peeves. A LOT of people are saying that effects in songs are a vocoder when they are actually an auto-tune. The "Cher-effect" is achieved on an auto-tune by setting the slide time to zero.
An auto-tune is a pitch shifting device, while a vocoder is a bunch of band-pass filters, envelope followers, and VCA's (amplifiers.) To hear what a VOCODER sounds like, try Kraftwerk - Trans Europe Express, or Styx - Mr. Roboto.
I don't know who keeps telling everyone that the zero-slide autotune effect is a vocoder, but it isn't.
The Simpsons episode with the "Studio Magic" came out WAAAAAYYYY after people were using pitch-correction. During the episode, there is a small sample of autotune. If I remember correctly, Ralph was singing "gonna get in love formation" (in the music video) through an auto-tune device. Autotune was actually probably used in the other singing in that episode.
I've been thinking about this for a while. The only reason record labels exist are to distribute CD's to stores, promotion, and payola. They are afraid MP3s will eliminate the need to distribute anything.
Good will come out of this if it happens. Artists will be able to distribute music for free, without record labels will die, there will be no more payola, and we'll start hearing good music on the radio. I do hope vinyl and CDs never die (and they won't. Bands that have talent will gain the money to produce CDs and records), but free promotion/distribution? Why do we need a label again?
I will gladly and proudly dispise anybody who uses this little device in anything but electronica. The point of electronica is to make things sound as electronic as possible, and this box helps that. (Although *I* would prefer a vocoder.)
In a word, no.
You can take OUT vocals, and possibly other instruments if everything is panned correctly (which will only happen if you are lucky.) Vocals are usually panned towards the center, and instruments are usually not.
To take out anything panned to the center, you take a stereo track, invert one of the channels, and mix the two channels down to a mono track, and if you're lucky, you get a vocal-less version of the song.
As for seperating instruments... I might go as far as to call this impossible.
Its suprizing to see this thing on slashdot after I've known about it for years. Autotune's not just for singers. I've heard about it being used with instruments such as clarinets.
Its been used to get a neat effect out of it when you set the slide time to zero. (For example, Daft Punk's One More Time.)
They DO have useful applications, for example, if you're producing a track, the singer has left, and you notice the singer is a little off pitch.
Oh, and if you're going to Britney Spears concerts because you enjoy the quality of the music, I hate to say it, but (because of how the music industry is,) you're missing the point.
Also, this is the first time I've heard it been called an "Auto-tuner." Probebly a news reporters take on the name. It's a little like saying "making a xerox" instead of "making a copy." There are two companies that I know that make pitch-correction devieces. Antares and some other company whose name I can't think of at the moment.
ALSO, one other thing to add that is a pet peeve of mine. AUTO-TUNE DOES NOT EQUAL VOCODER.
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So much for that...
Microsoft isn't going to sue Linux any time soon, that would look bad. Thats why they had SCO do it.
Bill is just spreading FUD about OSS, thats all.
Downloading will go for most people....but if you're like me, changing linux distros and hard drives from day to day :P, you want your music on a physical medium, weather its vinyl, CD, or 8 track tape...okay maybe I would prefer MP3's to 8 track.
MP3s and OGGs can be real handy because they're easy to transfer and carry (in a player), but nothing beats owning it in a physical medium.
That is very wrong...
Audio is often transferred to a digital medium before being put on vinyl nowdays, and even then, before being cut into a master, the sound must be processed to prevent weird things from happening when you play/press the record.
the point of loving vinyl is not sound quality (although I prefer it to CD,) but the geeky idea that the sound is stored physically, and played back mechanicly, which means that a CDR with added turntable noize, humming, etc won't satisfy us "vinyl psuddo-elitists"
you're friends were obviously choosing turntables over cds because you told them you were playing the turntable sample, however 60 cycle humms (and other low frequencys) could warm up the sounds.
but if you are hearing 60 cycle humms while listening to vinyl, either it was put there by the person who created the music, or something is grounded when it shouldn't be.
as much as i love vinal, i'll admit it has its flaws. it does snap crakle and pop sometimes, more on the old stuff than the new, and only when you dont take care of your records. you can't take vinyl with you like an OGG player (boo mp3!)
i don't think digital audio will replace analog audio, or vice versa.
Its not that hard to create a domain name that points to somebody elses web site, in fact, it doesn't require any hacking at all.
That is not microsofts domain.
Read up on your DNS.
I could never give up my linux box for audio.
Really.
And I know other people who feel the same way.
You want to make music in linux?
Ever heard of audour?
Or audacity?
You want an audio sequencer? Check out soundtracker.
Or if you like to mess with oscillators and stuff, spiralsynthmodular.
don't you DARE tell me we have no sound apps in linux.
if you're STILL unconvinced, check out http://linux-sound.org/
19 f***ing 84
[NOTE: This is a very big rant, and I'm warning you now that if you're the type of person that doesn't like reading rants....well then don't read it. (My comments are inclosed in []'s)]
May 14, 2003
Neo Keanu Reeves
Morpheus Laurence Fishburne
Agent Smith Hugo Weaving
Trinity Carrie-Anne Moss
Oracle Gloria Foster
Niobe Jada Pinkett Smith
Zee Nona Gaye
Lock Harry Lennix
Link Harold Perrineau
Persephone Monica Bellucci
Twins Neil and Adrian Rayment
Warner Bros. presents a film written and directed by Andy Wachowski and Larry Wachowski. Running time: 138 minutes. Rated R (for sci-fi violence and some sexuality).
BY ROGER EBERT
Commander Lock: "Not everyone believes what you believe."
Morpheus: "My beliefs do not require that they do."
Characters are always talking like this in "The Matrix Reloaded," which plays like a collaboration involving a geek, a comic book and the smartest kid in Philosophy 101. Morpheus in particular unreels extended speeches that remind me of Laurence Olivier's remarks when he won his honorary Oscar--the speech that had Jon Voight going "God!" on TV, but in print turned out to be quasi-Shakespearean doublespeak. The speeches provide not meaning, but the effect of meaning: It sure sounds like those guys are saying some profound things.
That will not prevent fanboys from analyzing the philosophy of "The Matrix Reloaded" in endless Web postings. Part of the fun is becoming an expert in the deep meaning of shallow pop mythology; there is something refreshingly ironic about becoming an authority on the transient extrusions of mass culture, and Morpheus (Laurence Fishburne) now joins Obi-Wan Kenobi as the Plato of our age.
[Shallow pop mythology? If you ask me the Matrix is pretty deep. The part where Neo gets power in "the real world" is pretty weird, but who is to say this could not happen? Buddist monks can make them selves lighter and run faster just by thinking of it.]
I say this not in disapproval, but in amusement. "The Matrix" (1999), written and directed by the brothers Andy and Larry Wachowski, inspired so much inflamed pseudo-philosophy that it's all "The Matrix Reloaded" can do to stay ahead of its followers. It is an immensely skillful sci-fi adventure, combining the usual elements: heroes and villains, special effects and stunts, chases and explosions, romance and oratory. It develops its world with more detail than the first movie was able to afford, gives us our first glimpse of the underground human city of Zion, burrows closer to the heart of the secret of the Matrix, and promotes its hero, Neo, from confused draftee to a Christ figure in training.
[Pseudo-philosophy? Whatever, I just disagree.]
As we learned in "The Matrix," the Machines need human bodies, millions and millions of them, for their ability to generate electricity. In an astonishing sequence, we saw countless bodies locked in pods around central cores that extended out of sight above and below. The Matrix is the virtual reality that provides the minds of these sleepers with the illusion that they are active and productive. Questions arise, such as, is there no more efficient way to generate power? And why give the humans dreams when they would generate just as much energy if comatose? And why create such a complex virtual world for each and every one of them, when they could all be given the same illusion and be none the wiser? Why is each dreamer himself or herself, occupying the same body in virtual reality as the one asleep in the pod?
[Why not?]
But never mind. [Okay...] We are grateful that 250,000 humans have escaped from the grid of the Matrix, and gathered to build Zion, which is "near the Earth's core--where there is more heat." As the movie opens, we are alarmed to learn that the Machines are drilling toward Zion so quickly that they will arrive in 36 hours. We may also wonder if Zion and its free citizens really exist, or if the humans only think so, but that leads to a lo
How many hits thematrix.com's firewall has picked up on port 22 since this movie was realesed.
They can't say they weren't asking for it.
SCO (like Microsoft) views Linux as competitive and they are trying to kill it with a lawsuit.
Not a very good buisness practice. They're worse than microsoft.
You can't make an April Fools joke in May.
Double dumbass on you!
I would like to see them confirm that its an april fools joke..... in May (or maybe April, but way after April 1st anyways)!
Did the author of this article really have to link to pokemon.com?
Not only is pokemon not popular anymore (which means it wouldn't be a best selling item on Amazon,) it is completely irrevelent. Even if the author was talking about somthing popular like say GameCube for example, a link is completely unnecessary.
Whats with that?
This is not a troll, its a serious complaint.