I worked for MII a few years ago (the company I worked for was bought out by them) and everything I saw indicated they were on their way to destruction and should make their time.
The Vik brothers have been using MII as part of a shell game for years - I wonder when they got the bright idea to try and make money with it?
I mean, what if you get a nice overcoat for that - now you've exceeded your address space. Sure, you could implement NAT, but then you're going to need another pocket for the router, et cetera...
Certainly, and that's where being able to do this kind of thing in general (Linux routers, packet forwarders, and now level 7 switching) provides an option for people who would like these capabilities but don't want to/can't spring for the high end Cisco/etc gear.
My comment wasn't intended to be derogatory - this is a nifty project and I'm glad to see it. But I've already seen a few comments (and there will likely be more) talking about how this is going to "kill Cisco" or "pave the way for a linux only datacenter". Such talk is just silly:)
Apache isn't under the GPL, so it's kind of moot:)
This question in general is pretty old, and I don't think I've ever seen it get a real answer. It'll probably take a courtroom to decide for sure.
If I were the FSF legal counsel, I would probably try and get the newer GPL versions to take this into account (but I'm not, and RMS may actually leave that loophole for a reason, but I doubt that).
Because that special employee now has to pay income tax on that. Whereas corporations and organizations can play funny accounting games to get away with lower taxes, individuals have pretty set rules to play by. Not perfect, but better than the existing system - it'll cost a group a lot more to do what they're trying to do.
When Microsoft makes games only for the X-Box, they're labelled monopolistic and evil. Why *wouldn't* we want the game to run on anything and everything it's feasible to run it on?
I'm hopeful to get it running on at *least* Linux, Windows, MacOS X, Free/Open/NetBSD, and hell, maybe Solaris. I know a few people with Sun boxes who wouldn't mind me borrowing them for a while...
So, again, why wouldn't you want a good game to be available everywhere? To "lock people in"? All that will do is make sure no one plays the game - that trick only works when you already have the dominant market share.
The FS/OSS world will do a lot better commercially when it finally comes to finally, wholehartedly accept that not All The World's A Programmer.
My company's sysadmin is very good at maintaining the network, but he's not a developer, nor should he be. Why do people insist on parroting the "you have the source, fix it yourself!" mentality?
Having actually *had* that conversation with him (personally - he makes it a point to speak with prospective customers on the phone, time permitting) I can assure you that that really is what he says. And the first time I talked to him, it didn't hurt bad enough, so we stuck with CVS.
Months went by, the world got more complicated, and we evaluated SCM systems again. We switched to BK a short while later, and I hope I never look back.
If you've not used the two, and compared them - especially as an administrator of them (which is my role in things) then you really don't know what you're missing. There are things that I do every day now that wouldn't even be *possible* in CVS - and BK makes them simple, even trivial.
And to people who talk about "Oh, I wouldn't use something that's not Free", I say this: I do this for a living. I'll use whatever lets me keep my focus on the real issues of release engineering the most. The fewer dumb SCM questions I have to answer or "features" I have to fight with (or implement myself) the happier I am. If something like GNUkeeper shows up and does even half of what BK does, hey, I'll have a look. But I doubt it. Mr. McVoy is a notorious realist, and his estimations on what it really takes to build a system like that are pretty spot on. Any such project would take years, period. And he has a few years of head start on you already;)
Techs are not cheap, especially when you consider things like benefits, office space, and so on, and so forth. If you add up the costs between manpower, networking gear (and the high-end stuff isn't going for peanuts either) and administrative overhead (management) then maybe that number isn't so far fetched.
Ok, so even if you manage to avoid the summons, through no physical address, email/spam filtering, and a healthy dose of being unable to find, why would you *not* want to know you've been summoned?
After all, if they cannot find you, you lose pretty much by default. I cannot imagine they care much, beyond their duty to at least try and serve you. But you might care very much that someone has called you into court...
"GNOME, the most advanced Linux user environment" - ridiculous.
This is not a GNOME bash. I've used it, and it has its strengths. But anyone who claims it is more "advanced" than KDE has either 1) not used a recent KDE build or 2) is toeing the marketing line.
Never, never, never take a counter offer. You'll be gone within 6 months.
Once you prove you're looking elsewhere, your boss *knows* you're not happy, and therefore could leave at any time. So, it's in his best interests to replace you on his terms, while he can, rather than scramble when you do leave.
And of course, once he's replaced you... he doesn't need disloyal old you anymore. Wave good-bye.
If you want to job hop, find a good recruiter. They do exist. Talk to them, explain what you're looking for, and be picky. But don't let on that you're doing this. Sheesh.
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I worked for MII a few years ago (the company I worked for was bought out by them) and everything I saw indicated they were on their way to destruction and should make their time.
The Vik brothers have been using MII as part of a shell game for years - I wonder when they got the bright idea to try and make money with it?
People! This is what IPv6 is for!
I mean, what if you get a nice overcoat for that - now you've exceeded your address space. Sure, you could implement NAT, but then you're going to need another pocket for the router, et cetera...
IPv6! Your pockets will thank you!
Heh. I just glanced. If it's commodity stuff, then more power to them.
Interesting. It still appears to be custom hardware, which is where you get the real advantage.
Certainly, and that's where being able to do this kind of thing in general (Linux routers, packet forwarders, and now level 7 switching) provides an option for people who would like these capabilities but don't want to/can't spring for the high end Cisco/etc gear.
:)
My comment wasn't intended to be derogatory - this is a nifty project and I'm glad to see it. But I've already seen a few comments (and there will likely be more) talking about how this is going to "kill Cisco" or "pave the way for a linux only datacenter". Such talk is just silly
As long as you don't care about performance.
(Seriously. A modified PC is more flexible, but it isn't going to beat custom hardware of the same generation. In a few years, though...)
Apache isn't under the GPL, so it's kind of moot :)
This question in general is pretty old, and I don't think I've ever seen it get a real answer. It'll probably take a courtroom to decide for sure.
If I were the FSF legal counsel, I would probably try and get the newer GPL versions to take this into account (but I'm not, and RMS may actually leave that loophole for a reason, but I doubt that).
Well, I'm not the original poster, but...
Because that special employee now has to pay income tax on that. Whereas corporations and organizations can play funny accounting games to get away with lower taxes, individuals have pretty set rules to play by. Not perfect, but better than the existing system - it'll cost a group a lot more to do what they're trying to do.
What makes you think they're idiots?
And why is this insightful?
Personally, I liked the full anagram better ;-)
What would be wrong with porting it to Windows?
When Microsoft makes games only for the X-Box, they're labelled monopolistic and evil. Why *wouldn't* we want the game to run on anything and everything it's feasible to run it on?
I'm hopeful to get it running on at *least* Linux, Windows, MacOS X, Free/Open/NetBSD, and hell, maybe Solaris. I know a few people with Sun boxes who wouldn't mind me borrowing them for a while...
So, again, why wouldn't you want a good game to be available everywhere? To "lock people in"? All that will do is make sure no one plays the game - that trick only works when you already have the dominant market share.
I thought that looked familiar... I figured you had posted the one on LL.
It's actually http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com - and the development company's site is http://www.linuxgamepublishing.com/devcompany.php
HTH
... how I got labelled an "International Man of Mystery".
"Personally I'm tired of living in a world
where 80% of the people I meet have the IQ of
Yogurt."
Have you *seen* Spaceballs? Yogurt is a smart dude. I'm sorry if you can't keep up.
IT person != programmer
The FS/OSS world will do a lot better commercially when it finally comes to finally, wholehartedly accept that not All The World's A Programmer.
My company's sysadmin is very good at maintaining the network, but he's not a developer, nor should he be. Why do people insist on parroting the "you have the source, fix it yourself!" mentality?
Having actually *had* that conversation with him (personally - he makes it a point to speak with prospective customers on the phone, time permitting) I can assure you that that really is what he says. And the first time I talked to him, it didn't hurt bad enough, so we stuck with CVS.
;)
Months went by, the world got more complicated, and we evaluated SCM systems again. We switched to BK a short while later, and I hope I never look back.
If you've not used the two, and compared them - especially as an administrator of them (which is my role in things) then you really don't know what you're missing. There are things that I do every day now that wouldn't even be *possible* in CVS - and BK makes them simple, even trivial.
And to people who talk about "Oh, I wouldn't use something that's not Free", I say this: I do this for a living. I'll use whatever lets me keep my focus on the real issues of release engineering the most. The fewer dumb SCM questions I have to answer or "features" I have to fight with (or implement myself) the happier I am. If something like GNUkeeper shows up and does even half of what BK does, hey, I'll have a look. But I doubt it. Mr. McVoy is a notorious realist, and his estimations on what it really takes to build a system like that are pretty spot on. Any such project would take years, period. And he has a few years of head start on you already
You mean VxWorks? (VMWare would be silly.)
No figures, but a theory, perhaps.
Techs are not cheap, especially when you consider things like benefits, office space, and so on, and so forth. If you add up the costs between manpower, networking gear (and the high-end stuff isn't going for peanuts either) and administrative overhead (management) then maybe that number isn't so far fetched.
Just a thought.
Ok, so even if you manage to avoid the summons, through no physical address, email/spam filtering, and a healthy dose of being unable to find, why would you *not* want to know you've been summoned?
After all, if they cannot find you, you lose pretty much by default. I cannot imagine they care much, beyond their duty to at least try and serve you. But you might care very much that someone has called you into court...
"GNOME, the most advanced Linux user environment" - ridiculous.
This is not a GNOME bash. I've used it, and it has its strengths. But anyone who claims it is more "advanced" than KDE has either 1) not used a recent KDE build or 2) is toeing the marketing line.
(KDE on Solaris works just fine, by the way.)
That's why Yahoo! runs it, right? They barely serve any mail at all.
Duh, Spaceballs.
"When will then be now?"
"Soon!"
Ack!
Never, never, never take a counter offer. You'll be gone within 6 months.
Once you prove you're looking elsewhere, your boss *knows* you're not happy, and therefore could leave at any time. So, it's in his best interests to replace you on his terms, while he can, rather than scramble when you do leave.
And of course, once he's replaced you... he doesn't need disloyal old you anymore. Wave good-bye.
If you want to job hop, find a good recruiter. They do exist. Talk to them, explain what you're looking for, and be picky. But don't let on that you're doing this. Sheesh.