Because they are fake little worlds, seperated from reality, filled with a bunch of people who have no experience of living life outside of a university. Then to top it off they get a lot of government funding.
JDS is SuSE with some logo's moved around. If you don't believe me install JDS, then install SuSE. Then update or install some packages, you will see what I mean. It is SuSE with the addition of a picture of Jonathan Schwartz on your desktop.
1. JDS is Gnome centric, but it is not like SuSE does not come with Gnome. Sure they prefer you use KDE but it is there.
2. That is what is so weird, Sun give Red Hat server requirments but then they chose to base their JDS on SuSE. Stupid? Yes, but when was the last time Sun was smart.
Looks like AMD can really give Intel a beat down on the low end market now.
Will this finally force Dell to start selling AMD chips in their machines? I can't imagine they would be able to ignore the price and performance advantage.
Here I am a Long Island resident and I had not hear of or played these wonderful games they provide absolutely free! Long Island Politics for President!
First, don't get addicted to too many games. I will only buy the very best games out there then go a couple months in between them once finished.
Second, arrange times that you are going to play a couple days in advance so you can warn significant other. Set a time limit like 2 hours or so. You will always run over the time limit, so you should aim toward the lower end of the spectrum that you really want to play for.
Third, it is ok to play once significant other has fallen asleep, but never...I repeat...NEVER let her go to bed by herself. If you do you are just asking for it. Now if you can pull off the cuddle for awhile bit until she is asleep and then get up and play you may get away with it, but that laying down till fall asleep time seems to be very important to women.
This has worked for me. I must admit that I don't play as much as I used to, but that is probably for the best. Just remember to spend at least as much time as you plan on playing with your significant other. I don't mean sitting in front of the tube time, but realy quality time. Also let them know you are going to play, so it does not come as a suprise.
I am curious if, for instance, Indian people who work for an American (or other country) corporation are concerned that as their wages increase their jobs will be moved to another country with even cheaper wages.
It seems that a vast majority of American corporations that outsource their IT work send it to India. Lately there appears to be a shift to the Philippines, especially for help desk related positions. Do Indian employees share the same fears some Americans do that there jobs too will be sent overseas to another country?
My only concern about this is that there would still need to be peer-review before publishing, even if it is just online. It is getting harder and harder to find pertinate information because it is so easy to to just put up a page or article regardless of the facts or fallacies it may contain. Having to submit your research to a journal that has production costs means they don't want to just print everything they get.
Unfortunately, I think they would still need a subscription service to pay for the bandwidth, storage, and personnel to maintain an 'open' site.
The debate should definately be interesting and full of both great and harebrained ideas.
The sad thing is the astornauts themselves are not the one's complaining. They seem to understand the risks and are willing to take them.
Making this an anti-American argument was just silly though. In fact, we are much more likely to send people into space than any other country. That is why we have/had so many hitch hikers on the space shuttle missions.
Although I agree with you, it would be a dangerous mission. Look at the outrage the explosion of the latest space shuttle caused. Although there would be plenty of astronauts willing to take the risk, my guess is that, no time soon, will they even be given the opportunity.
It seems that most people have forgotten that this kind of exploration can be dangerous. I think people would be leary of sending Lewis and Clark out in this day...but what if they get sick...what if Clark falls..yadda yadda
I do have sysfs working. Your suggestion to mknod just reminded me of something. The USB device would get a different major number each time I unplugged and plugged it in. A dmesg would show that the removal of the device was detected, but when plugged back in the major number would increment by 1. It would still be assigned sda though.
Thank you for the quick USB primer!
Perhaps you are right about Redhat and Suse adopting 2.6. I just wish an ls of/dev was not so painful in these distros!:)
I tried 2.6 both with and without devfs. I at first didn't use devfs since it is deprecated, but gave it a shot when I noticed the USB problem.
I did not mknod mainly because I don't think I should have to. When it got to the point of trying it out I just decided it was easier to go back to 2.4. This actually would be a good test and I will give it a shot.
I'm sorry,/sys was mounted...I just meant there were not mountable block devices in/sys.
So my point was not to get technical support from people. I am quite capable on my own, the real problem is that when I go home I don't feel like dealing with this stuff. I don't want to trouble shoot. I do this crap all day at work so at home I just like things to work. But anyway, here are the answers to your questions if you care to figure out the problem for me.:)
Distro) Gentoo
Kernel) 2.6.3
Enable devfs, usb?) I did NOT enable the depricated devfs at first, but did when trying to figure the problem out. I have of course enabled the usb mass storage mod, and scsi emulation mods. I also built these things into kernel to see if that made a difference, it did not.
Module-init-tools) This was a touch one, I was not using the absolutely latest version. I was using was Gentoo had in portage tree. Fairly recent 3.0 pre 9.
Hardware) Involved parts: Asus A7V133 (Via chipset) iRiver iFP-390T MP3 player
Just as a side note...my Kodak DC240, usb keyboard, mouse all work without a hitch.
I was using Gentoo at the time...so 2.6.3 was what I was doing my testing on.
For the hell of it I tried Fedora Core 2 Test 1 and Suse with the 2.6 test kernel. All exhibited the exact same problems with USB. As I said previously, I didn't even get into the CD/DVD drive issue other than to just check if hdg and hdh were created in Gentoo. With Fedora and Suse I didn't even check because I was looking for USB support a lot more than burning capabilites.
My particular most certainly IS the litmus test for Linux desktop use. I am using it as a desktop. Sure my experience is unique to me, but it should not be completely discounted because it is one small test.
You are correct about the 'staying away from' comment. That was a bit too strong. Of course they are testing it, they just do not support it currently nor will they in the next few months.
The move from 2.2 to 2.4 just seemed to be so easy, perhaps I was spoiled for lucky. The big thing then was going from ipchains to iptables...simple stuff. Then again, I was not using a bunch of USB devices then either.
So I went to the 2.6 series when they first came out. I was very happy with it at work, there was a noticable bump in speed...mainly in starting applications.
At home it was another story. Sure the speed increases I noticed at work were still there but there were some fairly large problems.
First, neither my DVD reader or CD burner were assigned/dev entries. So no reading CD's, DVD, or writing CD's. I honestly don't do it that much anyway, so I didn't spend a lot of time trouble shooting it. Plus after a day at work trouble shooting problems I don't feel like doing it at home.
Second, I have not been able to mount my USB flash drive. It is an MP3 player which I changed CD's on weekly so I am not listening to the same stuff at the gym every day. Well after a few weeks of Outkast it was time for a change so I sat down to fix the problem. Two hours later, I just went back to the 2.4 kernel.
I have gotten as far as getting the kernel to assign sda to my usb device but it never creates an entry in/dev and the/sys stuff is not mountable. Enabling USB debugging just shows me that things are messed up but does not really help much.
I also started to get annoyed with all the SCSI emulation needed to mount a USB storage device. I don't understand how Linus can hate SCSI emulation so much when it comes to burning CD's yet it is perfectly acceptable to use it to mount a USB disk. Seems a bit hypocritical, but then again...he did sort of invent Linux so I guess I can cut him some slack.
So all in all, I have been disappointed in the 2.6.x series of kernels and if they are the one's that are supposed to take the desktop market by storm then I think Linux on the desktop is in trouble. It is no wonder Redhat and SuSE are staying away from it for the most part right now. It is going to take both of them a lot of work to get everything working properly I would imagine.
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Because they are fake little worlds, seperated from reality, filled with a bunch of people who have no experience of living life outside of a university. Then to top it off they get a lot of government funding.
I lived in Beverly Hills and didn't even get to enter 90210 on my mail...90212 baby!
Wow, you must really be hard of seeing. In your own link that you posted it says they based it one SuSE and they explain why.
Clink on your link and look at #11...or go there now!
JDS is SuSE with some logo's moved around. If you don't believe me install JDS, then install SuSE. Then update or install some packages, you will see what I mean. It is SuSE with the addition of a picture of Jonathan Schwartz on your desktop.
I am not on drugs, but perhaps Sun is.
1. JDS is Gnome centric, but it is not like SuSE does not come with Gnome. Sure they prefer you use KDE but it is there.
2. That is what is so weird, Sun give Red Hat server requirments but then they chose to base their JDS on SuSE. Stupid? Yes, but when was the last time Sun was smart.
They just have to convine Lockheed to use Sun Java Desktop, aka SuSE.
Looks like AMD can really give Intel a beat down on the low end market now.
Will this finally force Dell to start selling AMD chips in their machines? I can't imagine they would be able to ignore the price and performance advantage.
ya, it was posted on fark...but headline is not even similar.
Here I am a Long Island resident and I had not hear of or played these wonderful games they provide absolutely free! Long Island Politics for President!
First, don't get addicted to too many games. I will only buy the very best games out there then go a couple months in between them once finished.
Second, arrange times that you are going to play a couple days in advance so you can warn significant other. Set a time limit like 2 hours or so. You will always run over the time limit, so you should aim toward the lower end of the spectrum that you really want to play for.
Third, it is ok to play once significant other has fallen asleep, but never...I repeat...NEVER let her go to bed by herself. If you do you are just asking for it. Now if you can pull off the cuddle for awhile bit until she is asleep and then get up and play you may get away with it, but that laying down till fall asleep time seems to be very important to women.
This has worked for me. I must admit that I don't play as much as I used to, but that is probably for the best. Just remember to spend at least as much time as you plan on playing with your significant other. I don't mean sitting in front of the tube time, but realy quality time. Also let them know you are going to play, so it does not come as a suprise.
this just sounds like a kde user rant. this is the same kind of crap that comes out everytime there is a new release of kde or gnome.
flog that goblin!
I am curious if, for instance, Indian people who work for an American (or other country) corporation are concerned that as their wages increase their jobs will be moved to another country with even cheaper wages.
It seems that a vast majority of American corporations that outsource their IT work send it to India. Lately there appears to be a shift to the Philippines, especially for help desk related positions. Do Indian employees share the same fears some Americans do that there jobs too will be sent overseas to another country?
what the hell is the u of a doing with the donations i give them every year! obviouisly not not /. proofing their servers! :)
My only concern about this is that there would still need to be peer-review before publishing, even if it is just online. It is getting harder and harder to find pertinate information because it is so easy to to just put up a page or article regardless of the facts or fallacies it may contain. Having to submit your research to a journal that has production costs means they don't want to just print everything they get.
Unfortunately, I think they would still need a subscription service to pay for the bandwidth, storage, and personnel to maintain an 'open' site.
The debate should definately be interesting and full of both great and harebrained ideas.
The sad thing is the astornauts themselves are not the one's complaining. They seem to understand the risks and are willing to take them.
Making this an anti-American argument was just silly though. In fact, we are much more likely to send people into space than any other country. That is why we have/had so many hitch hikers on the space shuttle missions.
Sometimes I wish I had a Hummer H2 just to piss people like you off.
Granted I would never be caught dead in one...but it sure would be fun to see you whine and bitch.
Although I agree with you, it would be a dangerous mission. Look at the outrage the explosion of the latest space shuttle caused. Although there would be plenty of astronauts willing to take the risk, my guess is that, no time soon, will they even be given the opportunity.
It seems that most people have forgotten that this kind of exploration can be dangerous. I think people would be leary of sending Lewis and Clark out in this day...but what if they get sick...what if Clark falls..yadda yadda
Im so glad all these scientists have finally be able to validate your claim...you must be very proud.
Suddenly I'm hungery for a nice juicy steak...
Notice I used the phase "bump in speed" not speed bump.
bump: To raise; boost.
So, to me at least, a bump in speed means to raise the speed...which is exactly what I meant to say.
I do have sysfs working. Your suggestion to mknod just reminded me of something. The USB device would get a different major number each time I unplugged and plugged it in. A dmesg would show that the removal of the device was detected, but when plugged back in the major number would increment by 1. It would still be assigned sda though.
/dev was not so painful in these distros! :)
Thank you for the quick USB primer!
Perhaps you are right about Redhat and Suse adopting 2.6. I just wish an ls of
I tried 2.6 both with and without devfs. I at first didn't use devfs since it is deprecated, but gave it a shot when I noticed the USB problem.
/sys was mounted...I just meant there were not mountable block devices in /sys.
I did not mknod mainly because I don't think I should have to. When it got to the point of trying it out I just decided it was easier to go back to 2.4. This actually would be a good test and I will give it a shot.
I'm sorry,
So my point was not to get technical support from people. I am quite capable on my own, the real problem is that when I go home I don't feel like dealing with this stuff. I don't want to trouble shoot. I do this crap all day at work so at home I just like things to work. But anyway, here are the answers to your questions if you care to figure out the problem for me. :)
Distro) Gentoo
Kernel) 2.6.3
Enable devfs, usb?) I did NOT enable the depricated devfs at first, but did when trying to figure the problem out. I have of course enabled the usb mass storage mod, and scsi emulation mods. I also built these things into kernel to see if that made a difference, it did not.
Module-init-tools) This was a touch one, I was not using the absolutely latest version. I was using was Gentoo had in portage tree. Fairly recent 3.0 pre 9.
Hardware) Involved parts:
Asus A7V133 (Via chipset)
iRiver iFP-390T MP3 player
Just as a side note...my Kodak DC240, usb keyboard, mouse all work without a hitch.
I was using Gentoo at the time...so 2.6.3 was what I was doing my testing on.
For the hell of it I tried Fedora Core 2 Test 1 and Suse with the 2.6 test kernel. All exhibited the exact same problems with USB. As I said previously, I didn't even get into the CD/DVD drive issue other than to just check if hdg and hdh were created in Gentoo. With Fedora and Suse I didn't even check because I was looking for USB support a lot more than burning capabilites.
My particular most certainly IS the litmus test for Linux desktop use. I am using it as a desktop. Sure my experience is unique to me, but it should not be completely discounted because it is one small test.
You are correct about the 'staying away from' comment. That was a bit too strong. Of course they are testing it, they just do not support it currently nor will they in the next few months.
The move from 2.2 to 2.4 just seemed to be so easy, perhaps I was spoiled for lucky. The big thing then was going from ipchains to iptables...simple stuff. Then again, I was not using a bunch of USB devices then either.
So I went to the 2.6 series when they first came out. I was very happy with it at work, there was a noticable bump in speed...mainly in starting applications.
/dev entries. So no reading CD's, DVD, or writing CD's. I honestly don't do it that much anyway, so I didn't spend a lot of time trouble shooting it. Plus after a day at work trouble shooting problems I don't feel like doing it at home.
/dev and the /sys stuff is not mountable. Enabling USB debugging just shows me that things are messed up but does not really help much.
At home it was another story. Sure the speed increases I noticed at work were still there but there were some fairly large problems.
First, neither my DVD reader or CD burner were assigned
Second, I have not been able to mount my USB flash drive. It is an MP3 player which I changed CD's on weekly so I am not listening to the same stuff at the gym every day. Well after a few weeks of Outkast it was time for a change so I sat down to fix the problem. Two hours later, I just went back to the 2.4 kernel.
I have gotten as far as getting the kernel to assign sda to my usb device but it never creates an entry in
I also started to get annoyed with all the SCSI emulation needed to mount a USB storage device. I don't understand how Linus can hate SCSI emulation so much when it comes to burning CD's yet it is perfectly acceptable to use it to mount a USB disk. Seems a bit hypocritical, but then again...he did sort of invent Linux so I guess I can cut him some slack.
So all in all, I have been disappointed in the 2.6.x series of kernels and if they are the one's that are supposed to take the desktop market by storm then I think Linux on the desktop is in trouble. It is no wonder Redhat and SuSE are staying away from it for the most part right now. It is going to take both of them a lot of work to get everything working properly I would imagine.
Am I the only one who went back?
or you can just go right to the source:
http://www.newisys.com/products/2100.html