HP did the design of the Itanium II, yes. But The world didn't crumble at the thought of HP putting out a PA-RISC replacement. They crumbled at the thought of a good chip designer (HP) pairing up with a manufacturing and marketing behemoth (Intel). HP didn't have the muscle to make it a ubiquitous platform (IBM didn't even have it back in the early days of PowerPC, there were versions of Solaris and NT that ran on it, but it never flew). Only the manufacturing muscle of Intel, helped by the economies of scale that being a monopoly, made people throw in the towel.
It's not a clone, at lest it's not reverse engineered. Intel has the rights to AMD64 a.k.a. x86-64, because of the old co-manufacturing agreement in the 386 days. The internals will be different, but it has the rights to that ISA and other goodies.
From What I Remember: Intel had difficulties in spitting out enough 386 chips, so they drew up an agreement to co-fab the 386. By the time the 486 came out, Intel figured it could spit out enough 486es themselves. They tried the initial brand differentiation, calling it the i486, and tried to trademark the 'i'. Judge said "you gotta bekidding me, trademark a letter? If I do that, then I only need 25 other ocmpanies to trademark the english language". As an aside, he wasn't that far off, both Zilog and Datsun tried to trademark the letter Z. Anyways, they couldn't, so for the next generation, out comes a made-up trademarkable name, Pentium.
The interesting thing is 3 RISC chips were killed because of the threat of Intel - MIPS (well, at least in workstations, embedded lives on), Alpha, and PA-RISC. PA-RISC even had a technology that could be seen as the opposite of EPIC, instead of moving scheduling logic to the compiler, they actually moved some of the optimization the compiler could do to the chip itself, since it knew current state of the machine and the compiler couldn't. Just shows you what a bit of monopoly muscle can do I guess.
I was reading this, it seems vaguely anti-corporate tinfoil hat-ish (not that I'm a big fan of corporations, but there are so many evil things they do, why waste time beating them up for stuff they don't?)
It keeps on going on with connotations of evil monopolists squashing the guys in the garages like bugs as being the only reasons it's moved slow. Part of the reason is that you want stability in public utilities. Innovation breeds incompatibilites. If I wanted to, I could buy a 1950's rotary phone from eBay and plug it in and still use it (in the movie Cellular Kim basinger takes advantage that teh network still can use the old "micro-disconnect" signals that rotary pulses were). For overclocking, fastest GPU of the week fanboys that may seem quaint, like using MicroChannel on a 386, but to most people the phone just works. The government actually discouraged innovation by capping profit margins. As a regulated monopoly, the phone company was capped to a certain net profit. New business or old, same profit margin. This discouraged innovation, but encouraged stability. Not so much evil as the upside/downside to a decision that is more complex than people would like to think. I'm not sure if they are currently so capped, there's so much breakup and consolidation since the old Ma Bell days, some of the compatibility is probably gone as well.
Yes, and you are STEALING. The RIAA will be at your door shortly, to install a very small and unobtrusive mircochip in your brain to make sure you pay for all your daily music. Hmm, seems like you're humming "Afternoon Delight", that's another 5 cents...
Doesn't look like the Slashdot rendering bug has been fixed yet, though. Since the Firefox team doesn't seem to care, perhaps the Slashcode authors could a hack to fix this? They do care, it's been fixed in the trunk. Not sure if this will make it to 1.0 release though.
Svengoolie, a.k.a. Son of Svengoolie has been doing this (minus the silhoettes) for years, maybe decades now. And I even got a glow in the dark T-shirt.
Two different purposes. If I'm going out and buying a new system I check the compatibility list, and ignore this. If I have a flakey install, and I'm not sure if it's my mistake or just a bad driver, I can check this.
Also, it serves as a central point for advocacy, let everyone who has an issue with one of these products collect and aggregate themselves to complain to manufacturer.
Slightly off topic, but RedHat 6 had Redneck as an install language. In those days, RedHat was barely moving into the packaged installers, and they had a first cut of an installer with multiple language support. Since they couldn't get a translator before release, they just punted and added Redneck. I always installed in that, the writer added a bit of humor. Sadly RedHat seems to have gone too corporate now.
Think Cavalier+nasty plastic decorations. Can't be worse than a Cimmarron. Think Cavalier + Cadillac badges + cheapo fake leather roof + $5000 or so on the sticker
Thunderbird is older, dates to 55 (it was a competitor to the then brand new Corvette) I think, and it's heydey as a cruiser really was the 50's. Had a revival when the SuperCoupe came out - that thing was a work of art - but it was bloated and eventually was canned for the retro-Cruiser Thunderbird, also canned. Firebird is from the 60s, came out when the Camaro did, as a competitor the the original Mustang, so porbably 63-65 range. Sunbird came out originally as the J2000 in the mid-80's, I forget when the rename was.
I think it more shows that there are no good names left. Either you reuse something for the billionth time, or you make up stupid shit like Achieva.
All the other companies are niche players when it comes to controlling x86 technology.
AMD Opteron x86_64 (renamed AMD64) is so successful that Intel had to, after numerous denials, copy it to it's chips, called EM64T. By that definition, AMD is not a niche player.
This has all died out now, with CISC (read: Intel) coming out as a winner.
1) There are no IA32 CISC chips since the 486. IA32 CISC is just what your apps see, it's all RISC inside. 2) The cost of a CISC ABI (is that the term?) is lots of chip space needed for decode logic and deep deep pipelines. Power is a simpler chip, so much so that they'll be on their second generation of multi-core chips before intel has their first. It also consumes a lot of power.
Don't confuse market share with quality. There are many ways to say which is "better", some have Intel winning, same have "pure RISC" whatver that means winning. Intel is where it is becasue it always targetted the low end space and got economies of scale that RISC vendors can only dream about. With IBM fabbing PowerPC processors for the XBox2 and the new gamecube, it will be intereting to see who wins the next round.
Strangely, the x86 architecture can also be a benefit to chip design. Because x86 compresses commonly used instructions into tiny, awkward byte codes, the P4 generation of chips requires less memory and fewer cache misses - and the convoluted opcodes can be decoded quickly by the processor prior to dispatch.
I doubt if most people agree with that. Pentium and later architectures (like the Cyrix 5x86, Athlon, etc) decode CISC instructions to RISC core. I believe the 5x86 would even let you run these microOps natively, but never really did anything with it, since no one would want to target such a microscopic segment of the market anyway. x86 baggage is not only decoding complicated instructions, with numerous special cases, makes for a lot of extra decode logic. Additionally, with the MHz at any cost mentality at Intel, makes for super long pipelines that cost you dearly on any branch prediction failure. It also makes the chips run damn hot, so much so that Google found their power/performance/electricity cost sweet spot with old PIIIs not P4s.
Yes, you can get good performance from a bad external Architecture (IA32) but at costs of large amounts of silicon, electricity,. and brainpower. Pentium works decently well (decent depending on your definition) in spite of IA32, definitely not because.
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not sure if you consider this "cross platform" or "Windows" but ddd has been part of Cygwin on Windows for a while now.
I gotta agree wit you on this one. Horrible, horrible. Too many plot things put in there that don't make sense. Here they're 50 years in the future, but a guy brings a straight razor on board to shave? What, BIC, Gillette, AND Schick go out of business? Oh, so he can have a "oooooh, scary" moment when the blade comes close to his throat. And that stupid metal thing in the hallway that looked like a meat grinder. Didn't give any suspense, made me think "damn they're trying way too hard."
Cool, but just saves a process. Could do this with seq before. seq 1 30 | xargs -i wget http://pr0nsite.com/image{}.jpg Not that I'd try this or anything... no...
I do want to get a T-Shirt made: Real geeks download their pr0n with one line shell-scripts.
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HP did the design of the Itanium II, yes. But The world didn't crumble at the thought of HP putting out a PA-RISC replacement. They crumbled at the thought of a good chip designer (HP) pairing up with a manufacturing and marketing behemoth (Intel). HP didn't have the muscle to make it a ubiquitous platform (IBM didn't even have it back in the early days of PowerPC, there were versions of Solaris and NT that ran on it, but it never flew). Only the manufacturing muscle of Intel, helped by the economies of scale that being a monopoly, made people throw in the towel.
It's not a clone, at lest it's not reverse engineered. Intel has the rights to AMD64 a.k.a. x86-64, because of the old co-manufacturing agreement in the 386 days. The internals will be different, but it has the rights to that ISA and other goodies.
From What I Remember:
Intel had difficulties in spitting out enough 386 chips, so they drew up an agreement to co-fab the 386. By the time the 486 came out, Intel figured it could spit out enough 486es themselves. They tried the initial brand differentiation, calling it the i486, and tried to trademark the 'i'. Judge said "you gotta bekidding me, trademark a letter? If I do that, then I only need 25 other ocmpanies to trademark the english language". As an aside, he wasn't that far off, both Zilog and Datsun tried to trademark the letter Z. Anyways, they couldn't, so for the next generation, out comes a made-up trademarkable name, Pentium.
The interesting thing is 3 RISC chips were killed because of the threat of Intel - MIPS (well, at least in workstations, embedded lives on), Alpha, and PA-RISC. PA-RISC even had a technology that could be seen as the opposite of EPIC, instead of moving scheduling logic to the compiler, they actually moved some of the optimization the compiler could do to the chip itself, since it knew current state of the machine and the compiler couldn't. Just shows you what a bit of monopoly muscle can do I guess.
I was reading this, it seems vaguely anti-corporate tinfoil hat-ish (not that I'm a big fan of corporations, but there are so many evil things they do, why waste time beating them up for stuff they don't?)
It keeps on going on with connotations of evil monopolists squashing the guys in the garages like bugs as being the only reasons it's moved slow. Part of the reason is that you want stability in public utilities. Innovation breeds incompatibilites. If I wanted to, I could buy a 1950's rotary phone from eBay and plug it in and still use it (in the movie Cellular Kim basinger takes advantage that teh network still can use the old "micro-disconnect" signals that rotary pulses were). For overclocking, fastest GPU of the week fanboys that may seem quaint, like using MicroChannel on a 386, but to most people the phone just works. The government actually discouraged innovation by capping profit margins. As a regulated monopoly, the phone company was capped to a certain net profit. New business or old, same profit margin. This discouraged innovation, but encouraged stability. Not so much evil as the upside/downside to a decision that is more complex than people would like to think. I'm not sure if they are currently so capped, there's so much breakup and consolidation since the old Ma Bell days, some of the compatibility is probably gone as well.
Yes, and you are STEALING. The RIAA will be at your door shortly, to install a very small and unobtrusive mircochip in your brain to make sure you pay for all your daily music. Hmm, seems like you're humming "Afternoon Delight", that's another 5 cents...
Doesn't look like the Slashdot rendering bug has been fixed yet, though. Since the Firefox team doesn't seem to care, perhaps the Slashcode authors could a hack to fix this?
They do care, it's been fixed in the trunk. Not sure if this will make it to 1.0 release though.
Svengoolie, a.k.a. Son of Svengoolie has been doing this (minus the silhoettes) for years, maybe decades now. And I even got a glow in the dark T-shirt.
"I see a little silhouette of a man..."
Two different purposes. If I'm going out and buying a new system I check the compatibility list, and ignore this. If I have a flakey install, and I'm not sure if it's my mistake or just a bad driver, I can check this.
Also, it serves as a central point for advocacy, let everyone who has an issue with one of these products collect and aggregate themselves to complain to manufacturer.
there is a kde-cygwin.sourceforge.net site, but they're still on 3.1
Will Klingon be on their next release?
Slightly off topic, but RedHat 6 had Redneck as an install language. In those days, RedHat was barely moving into the packaged installers, and they had a first cut of an installer with multiple language support. Since they couldn't get a translator before release, they just punted and added Redneck. I always installed in that, the writer added a bit of humor. Sadly RedHat seems to have gone too corporate now.
If you're running Gentoo on an old Pentium II
Today is a good week to compile...
this ad looks like they cribbed from Stallman
My bad, I thought the first Sunbird was the J2000. The first Sunbird was a bad Vega clone.
Think Cavalier+nasty plastic decorations.
Can't be worse than a Cimmarron. Think Cavalier + Cadillac badges + cheapo fake leather roof + $5000 or so on the sticker
Thunderbird is older, dates to 55 (it was a competitor to the then brand new Corvette) I think, and it's heydey as a cruiser really was the 50's. Had a revival when the SuperCoupe came out - that thing was a work of art - but it was bloated and eventually was canned for the retro-Cruiser Thunderbird, also canned.
Firebird is from the 60s, came out when the Camaro did, as a competitor the the original Mustang, so porbably 63-65 range.
Sunbird came out originally as the J2000 in the mid-80's, I forget when the rename was.
I think it more shows that there are no good names left. Either you reuse something for the billionth time, or you make up stupid shit like Achieva.
Wouldn't that be Page 0.3? Not that I'd browse such pages myself, no sir...
All the other companies are niche players when it comes to controlling x86 technology.
AMD Opteron x86_64 (renamed AMD64) is so successful that Intel had to, after numerous denials, copy it to it's chips, called EM64T. By that definition, AMD is not a niche player.
This has all died out now, with CISC (read: Intel) coming out as a winner.
1) There are no IA32 CISC chips since the 486. IA32 CISC is just what your apps see, it's all RISC inside.
2) The cost of a CISC ABI (is that the term?) is lots of chip space needed for decode logic and deep deep pipelines. Power is a simpler chip, so much so that they'll be on their second generation of multi-core chips before intel has their first. It also consumes a lot of power.
Don't confuse market share with quality. There are many ways to say which is "better", some have Intel winning, same have "pure RISC" whatver that means winning. Intel is where it is becasue it always targetted the low end space and got economies of scale that RISC vendors can only dream about. With IBM fabbing PowerPC processors for the XBox2 and the new gamecube, it will be intereting to see who wins the next round.
Strangely, the x86 architecture can also be a benefit to chip design. Because x86 compresses commonly used instructions into tiny, awkward byte codes, the P4 generation of chips requires less memory and fewer cache misses - and the convoluted opcodes can be decoded quickly by the processor prior to dispatch.
I doubt if most people agree with that. Pentium and later architectures (like the Cyrix 5x86, Athlon, etc) decode CISC instructions to RISC core. I believe the 5x86 would even let you run these microOps natively, but never really did anything with it, since no one would want to target such a microscopic segment of the market anyway. x86 baggage is not only decoding complicated instructions, with numerous special cases, makes for a lot of extra decode logic. Additionally, with the MHz at any cost mentality at Intel, makes for super long pipelines that cost you dearly on any branch prediction failure. It also makes the chips run damn hot, so much so that Google found their power/performance/electricity cost sweet spot with old PIIIs not P4s.
Yes, you can get good performance from a bad external Architecture (IA32) but at costs of large amounts of silicon, electricity,. and brainpower. Pentium works decently well (decent depending on your definition) in spite of IA32, definitely not because.
not sure if you consider this "cross platform" or "Windows" but ddd has been part of Cygwin on Windows for a while now.
I gotta agree wit you on this one. Horrible, horrible. Too many plot things put in there that don't make sense. Here they're 50 years in the future, but a guy brings a straight razor on board to shave? What, BIC, Gillette, AND Schick go out of business? Oh, so he can have a "oooooh, scary" moment when the blade comes close to his throat. And that stupid metal thing in the hallway that looked like a meat grinder. Didn't give any suspense, made me think "damn they're trying way too hard."
Anyway - why bother renaming and what is "Open Source Name"?
Your Open Source Name is Pinto.
Why Pinto?
Why not!?!!
Cool, but just saves a process. Could do this with seq before.
seq 1 30 | xargs -i wget http://pr0nsite.com/image{}.jpg
Not that I'd try this or anything... no...
I do want to get a T-Shirt made:
Real geeks download their pr0n with one line shell-scripts.
I can't wait to buy thse Los Souvenir Jackitos myself...
mmm, hemi superbird. [drools]