As much as I feel for these people, is there any law here that applies that they have a chance of winning? Is there something on the books that states that a company cannot outsource to save money? I also what evidence they have on age / national origin discrimination, as that's usually difficult, barring obvious
discriminatory statements in email and such.
Yeah, good luck with that, I am seeing the exact same thing you are. Thing is, it is scombination of both weak salaries and overspending IMO, they're double whammying themselves.
"Actually ive done mainly Service tech/electrical work my whole life. I work with the "general public" a lot. And if you explain options to most of them they will choose one and do it to make their daily life easier."
I have yet to meet these users, I give three options and then in 99% of cases they ask me to choose for them, consider yourself lucky.
"YOU(the real selfish people like you) dont want to learn or have to do anything"
And there are devices that cater to that, and they're selling like wildfire, so why learn if I don't have to?
BTW I'm an admin so I am learning all the time, my mother shouldn't have to, that's not being selfish, and I have 0 idea how you came to that conclusion. Tech should be easier to use for everyone, how is that selfish?
"you are supposed to be selfish about things that effect YOU and how you do something."
Says who? You? What's that worth? nothing.
I've fired many guys like you over the years, "why don't the users just learn" which my immediate response is, "why aren't we making it simple enough?" The days of sitting in a dark room and enforcing IT will are OVER, it is a customer service business, like that or not, and you either adapt to that or switch careers, and a couple people I know did just that.
"The end result is that your low-income community has turned into a high-rent development that looks shiny, but sits vacant because of the crime and housing problem... and in turn, the landlords still don't get paid."
Midtown Miami summed up perfectly. Want to see this in action, go there.
"Imposing these distortions removes the incentive for landlords to maintain and improve their properties"
This is a problem of capitalism, the only incentive a landlord should need for doing this is being a decent human being. Unfortunately, the lure and indoctrination of capitalism, especially in the US, causes humans to trade in decent behavior for cash, and they are celebrated for it.
"Another example is minimum wage floors. These make it prohibitive for businesses to start, and make it harder for existing businesses to continue remaining viable. These also help create "high-poverty districts", because there are fewer jobs than there naturally would be if labor didn't need to be paid artificially high wages."
This suggests to me that you are one of these rabid capitalists, and you also think that the system will work for you someday. What proof is there of this?
Clearly, you haven't worked with the general public much, that is not as easy as you make it sound for many, it becomes overwhelming, "I only want to do this one thing, why is this other crap here?" Power users like yourself have the same complaints, about "bloatware" you could just ignore that too.
"you still have to learn something other than microsoft's bend you over and violate you OS's"
No, no one has to, they may choose to though.
"Therefor they can continue to get fucked by microsoft or apple and limit their capabilities."
If the device does everything they want it to how are they limited?
You just think everyone should work the way YOU do. How selfish. Stop whining because other people use their devices differently than you.
What's bizzarre about people wanting something they can just pick up, do the setup, and then use without hassle?
Yes, TOO MANY preferences and TOO MANY look and feel options certainly are for 99% of users. Technologists often don't understand that when you expose too many things, it looks too daunting and the customer shuts down. Seeing as said technologists are also less likely to spend money in app stores, why should they care about you?
"These are the people that dont want to have to do any work to have a good system working" And, what's the problem with that. Do you have to tweak a new car, or do you buy it, set the seat and wheel position, and Go? This is why Apple won so hard, and continues to sell stuff.
I wish, but this is going to affect so few people who actually care it won't make a dent. the 99% don't understand what any of this means, and of that 99% maybe 1% even knows.
"That's the ehart of conservatism in America - a government without the power to fuck you."
Care to explain the browser history vote yesterday then?
Both parties are just using their members to keep most of the country distracted while they work with business to extract wealth that was stolen from the workers that created it.
And my point has nothing to do with all of this, merely that I simply do not trust that someone isn't siphoning this data. Every phone has a black box (the radio) that not even the OS really knows what it is doing.
I disable the fingerprint stuff as soon as the device arrives, I don't even power it on until that thing is not working. That data is being siphoned by someone, somewhere.
Slashdot Mirror
"consumers should stop tolerating unrepairable trash"
Asking, not tolerating. That's why they are out there, the market wants them this way.
A slashdotter that looks at Apples locked rendering engine in iOS and sees no action is laughing.
As much as I feel for these people, is there any law here that applies that they have a chance of winning? Is there something on the books that states that a company cannot outsource to save money? I also what evidence they have on age / national origin discrimination, as that's usually difficult, barring obvious
discriminatory statements in email and such.
Yeah, good luck with that, I am seeing the exact same thing you are. Thing is, it is scombination of both weak salaries and overspending IMO, they're double whammying themselves.
Also, old people are less resistant to change.
I'm done being old, but please stay on my lawn.
"Actually ive done mainly Service tech/electrical work my whole life. I work with the "general public" a lot. And if you explain options to most of them they will choose one and do it to make their daily life easier."
I have yet to meet these users, I give three options and then in 99% of cases they ask me to choose for them, consider yourself lucky.
"YOU(the real selfish people like you) dont want to learn or have to do anything"
And there are devices that cater to that, and they're selling like wildfire, so why learn if I don't have to?
BTW I'm an admin so I am learning all the time, my mother shouldn't have to, that's not being selfish, and I have 0 idea how you came to that conclusion. Tech should be easier to use for everyone, how is that selfish?
"you are supposed to be selfish about things that effect YOU and how you do something."
Says who? You? What's that worth? nothing.
I've fired many guys like you over the years, "why don't the users just learn" which my immediate response is, "why aren't we making it simple enough?" The days of sitting in a dark room and enforcing IT will are OVER, it is a customer service business, like that or not, and you either adapt to that or switch careers, and a couple people I know did just that.
"The end result is that your low-income community has turned into a high-rent development that looks shiny, but sits vacant because of the crime and housing problem... and in turn, the landlords still don't get paid."
Midtown Miami summed up perfectly. Want to see this in action, go there.
That was about 28 years ago, so back, you had a point?
"Imposing these distortions removes the incentive for landlords to maintain and improve their properties"
This is a problem of capitalism, the only incentive a landlord should need for doing this is being a decent human being. Unfortunately, the lure and indoctrination of capitalism, especially in the US, causes humans to trade in decent behavior for cash, and they are celebrated for it.
"Another example is minimum wage floors. These make it prohibitive for businesses to start, and make it harder for existing businesses to continue remaining viable. These also help create "high-poverty districts", because there are fewer jobs than there naturally would be if labor didn't need to be paid artificially high wages."
This suggests to me that you are one of these rabid capitalists, and you also think that the system will work for you someday. What proof is there of this?
"You can also just ignore all the extra stuff"
Clearly, you haven't worked with the general public much, that is not as easy as you make it sound for many, it becomes overwhelming, "I only want to do this one thing, why is this other crap here?" Power users like yourself have the same complaints, about "bloatware" you could just ignore that too.
"you still have to learn something other than microsoft's bend you over and violate you OS's"
No, no one has to, they may choose to though.
"Therefor they can continue to get fucked by microsoft or apple and limit their capabilities."
If the device does everything they want it to how are they limited?
You just think everyone should work the way YOU do. How selfish. Stop whining because other people use their devices differently than you.
Again!
Okay, so it's a matter of the devs saying no to the store then.
That does not explain how they "will not work" under the windows store rules. They can use centennial to port win 32 to store in a few minutes, so...
I think maybe you need to do more homework on what is isn't possible on UWP.
"See how there are alot of education apps that will not work under the windows store rules"
Such as? Why?
"I do not use any kind of "App" currently and never will use one on any screen bigger than a mobile phone if I can help it."
Well, you won't be able to help it REALLY soon, the 99% have spoken.
What's bizzarre about people wanting something they can just pick up, do the setup, and then use without hassle?
Yes, TOO MANY preferences and TOO MANY look and feel options certainly are for 99% of users. Technologists often don't understand that when you expose too many things, it looks too daunting and the customer shuts down. Seeing as said technologists are also less likely to spend money in app stores, why should they care about you?
"These are the people that dont want to have to do any work to have a good system working" And, what's the problem with that. Do you have to tweak a new car, or do you buy it, set the seat and wheel position, and Go? This is why Apple won so hard, and continues to sell stuff.
I wish, but this is going to affect so few people who actually care it won't make a dent. the 99% don't understand what any of this means, and of that 99% maybe 1% even knows.
Neither is worse than the other. They're both "worse"
Well, I'm still taking up the rear, but at lest the dildo is smaller.
And yours.
No, NEVER a good idea, regardless who is in control. Verizon having control is bad, Apple having control is bad, period.
The GOP represents conservatives, they picked these people, remember?
smartass.
OP mentioned that Cons don't fuck you, I asked him to explain the browser vote, which clearly fucked us. what's odd about that?
"That's the ehart of conservatism in America - a government without the power to fuck you."
Care to explain the browser history vote yesterday then?
Both parties are just using their members to keep most of the country distracted while they work with business to extract wealth that was stolen from the workers that created it.
I agree, I am not seeing a mass outcry for any competition at the moment. Actually I am seeing this across a lot of markets today.
And my point has nothing to do with all of this, merely that I simply do not trust that someone isn't siphoning this data. Every phone has a black box (the radio) that not even the OS really knows what it is doing.
I disable the fingerprint stuff as soon as the device arrives, I don't even power it on until that thing is not working. That data is being siphoned by someone, somewhere.