I really don't think so, if it's easy enough to steal, with a practically 0% chance of getting caught for said theft, people will do it.
It does hurt the industry as well, why do you think so many develpers are are wary of PC gaming, piracy. So someone like me who does not steal, is denied access to stuff because of the people that are stealing. It sucks.
Because parent's 95% of the time are too busy working or simply don't care, and wouldn't do anything. If something slips out that a kid was on a school issued device looking at porn, aswell, then that's a headache, whether it's the parents fault or not. Even if that weren't the case, we have acutal laws on the books that put the responsibility on the school system.
or they could just develop a program that will run on one of the other dozens of win / linux vm's we have. Or better yet a simple to use web based frontend that the schools can manage themselves and leave us out of most of it. We had to install 0 additional infrastructure to support android and win tablets, they need to play catch-up
Most customers in my current environment don't even know they are using windows 7. It has nothing to do with a pocket computer versus a big one. It's just something people simply do not care about, is the device still working, can I do what I want on it? All good.
You don't but many do use their phones for important work, and they STILL don't give a rats ass what version is on there.
The disconnect between technologists and the general public is massive indeed.
Managing them, at least in my school system, was a nightmare. It cost money any way we looked at it, money we didn't have. If they had just built active directory hooks, or given us a way to manage them for free, or less than inflated 3rd party mdm pricing, we might have supported them, we decided not to, but the schools are autonomous. They bought them anyway, then cried when we said we wouldn't touch them. They tried self management, paid for MDM, etc. and no one knew how to work any of it... It was funny.
Most people don't want to care about any of that in my experience it's the power users doing the complaining. Ask any average mobile user what version their software is and 99% won't be able to tell you.
This is the part where I think there is a massive disconnect between technologists and the layman. The layman, even when it's explained to them the privacy implications of a system, they simply do not care.
"I know, but I want the service" "I'm not that important" "Well how else is service supposed to work?"
I could go on, but I think you get the point. My uncle had his identity stolen because facebook, he has some money, and it took 6 months to sort out. He's still on facebook... MS just wants to cash in on what Google, Apple, and Facebook already are, and whose behavior has been already normalized, it's just not true for MS yet, but a couple years and I think it will be.
I disagree. If it takes one extra tap or mouse click people will call it inferior, they DONT CARE that it's an external problem to the encryption itself, and will just see it as another complicated thing that is a pain in the ass.
Source, former helpdesk tech that answers a few calls still now and again.
I have, and that's unfortunate that a lot of people can't won't learn it correctly. I have a more than good enough grasp in middle school, and any English classes after that were a complete waste of time. You shouldn't need to study a language you speak for 12 years, it's just absurd.
I agree and it's why I am kinda meh about some of my kids grades in some his classes. He is going into trades, good for him, so I tell him not to worry too much about english and lit stuff, certainly try and pass, but don't worry about the grade or even really retention that much, as long as he gets the general ideas and learns the lessons from them, then good. I still don't get the teaching of English for so many years, I mean he speaks the damn language properly, and has since middle school. To me that is tons of wasted time that could be spent learning things more relevant to fixing elevators.
That's a lot of extra support as well. They have to have ANOTHER fork that has to be maintained, tested, etc. Another fork of the insider program as well. What do they get in return? laypeople stopped listening to the tech savvy years ago so that's not really good for them. Those users with this crippled version aren't going to be buying apps in the store either, or any media, etc. It's a market no one wants because those types of people tend to be cheap or pirates anyway. I am one so I would know.
It's actually probably your storage is slow. I have a 5 year old i3 laptop that hums along and never see any noticeable disk access, it's also got an SSD.
If you look at the details in this case there is a vast difference between the 2 bans, I recommend looking at the details, then you'll understand why people are so pissed.
Point 1, their problem, not mine. If they don't want to change from their philosophy based "free" paradigm then they never have to, but they'll never "win" the desktop. The only way this happens is with ad and marketing dollars, full stop. How they get to that point is their issue to solve.
Point 2, It is a serious issue, whether or not it is for you is another matter. but I know better than to even try to get my girlfriend to use win32 outlook, when the much simpler UWP mail client is available. She knew how to use that in seconds, traditional outlook, she would need a manual and all the controls for things she will never do were just in the way. I don't understand why power users cannot grasp that they are a TINY portion of the market, an that the money, and mindshare, is making stuff that's more grandma friendly and simplified with just core features. So yes, it's a serious issues if you are trying to get people to switch, if you aren't, as distro makers have made abundantly clear for 15+ years, then I guess it's a non issue.
We just ditched an old web front end for time clock management, from a 2005 era one to something from current year. The techs tell me there are almost no time clock related calls now. There used to be all sorts of buttons for things like audit time, check this, check that other thing, etc. They removed all that and just left IN, OUT, LUNCH. The auditors and all have a separate page for all the complication. Calls dropped 90% for issues with that system.
Only Apple is making real money on hardware, MS has seen this, and that's why they have gone service heavy. Even Apple will eventually have their hardware profits dry up, I think the better question is what will they do about that when it happens, MS already has a plan.
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I really don't think so, if it's easy enough to steal, with a practically 0% chance of getting caught for said theft, people will do it.
It does hurt the industry as well, why do you think so many develpers are are wary of PC gaming, piracy. So someone like me who does not steal, is denied access to stuff because of the people that are stealing. It sucks.
Right?
Because parent's 95% of the time are too busy working or simply don't care, and wouldn't do anything. If something slips out that a kid was on a school issued device looking at porn, aswell, then that's a headache, whether it's the parents fault or not. Even if that weren't the case, we have acutal laws on the books that put the responsibility on the school system.
or they could just develop a program that will run on one of the other dozens of win / linux vm's we have. Or better yet a simple to use web based frontend that the schools can manage themselves and leave us out of most of it. We had to install 0 additional infrastructure to support android and win tablets, they need to play catch-up
Most customers in my current environment don't even know they are using windows 7. It has nothing to do with a pocket computer versus a big one. It's just something people simply do not care about, is the device still working, can I do what I want on it? All good.
You don't but many do use their phones for important work, and they STILL don't give a rats ass what version is on there.
The disconnect between technologists and the general public is massive indeed.
Managing them, at least in my school system, was a nightmare. It cost money any way we looked at it, money we didn't have. If they had just built active directory hooks, or given us a way to manage them for free, or less than inflated 3rd party mdm pricing, we might have supported them, we decided not to, but the schools are autonomous. They bought them anyway, then cried when we said we wouldn't touch them. They tried self management, paid for MDM, etc. and no one knew how to work any of it... It was funny.
Most people don't want to care about any of that in my experience it's the power users doing the complaining. Ask any average mobile user what version their software is and 99% won't be able to tell you.
Some of us didn't from the start because we could see at the outset what this company was all about.
This is the part where I think there is a massive disconnect between technologists and the layman. The layman, even when it's explained to them the privacy implications of a system, they simply do not care.
"I know, but I want the service"
"I'm not that important"
"Well how else is service supposed to work?"
I could go on, but I think you get the point. My uncle had his identity stolen because facebook, he has some money, and it took 6 months to sort out. He's still on facebook... MS just wants to cash in on what Google, Apple, and Facebook already are, and whose behavior has been already normalized, it's just not true for MS yet, but a couple years and I think it will be.
Include smartphones, which are just as much of a privacy problem, and you've got my support.
I find it unbelievably hilarious that Apple and Google, Facebook, etc. are not under the same scrutiny.
As it is it looks like a witch hunt to me right now.
I disagree. If it takes one extra tap or mouse click people will call it inferior, they DONT CARE that it's an external problem to the encryption itself, and will just see it as another complicated thing that is a pain in the ass.
Source, former helpdesk tech that answers a few calls still now and again.
they most certainly do, they have an entire group dedicated to testing peripherals.
I have, and that's unfortunate that a lot of people can't won't learn it correctly. I have a more than good enough grasp in middle school, and any English classes after that were a complete waste of time. You shouldn't need to study a language you speak for 12 years, it's just absurd.
I agree and it's why I am kinda meh about some of my kids grades in some his classes. He is going into trades, good for him, so I tell him not to worry too much about english and lit stuff, certainly try and pass, but don't worry about the grade or even really retention that much, as long as he gets the general ideas and learns the lessons from them, then good. I still don't get the teaching of English for so many years, I mean he speaks the damn language properly, and has since middle school. To me that is tons of wasted time that could be spent learning things more relevant to fixing elevators.
That's a lot of extra support as well. They have to have ANOTHER fork that has to be maintained, tested, etc. Another fork of the insider program as well. What do they get in return? laypeople stopped listening to the tech savvy years ago so that's not really good for them. Those users with this crippled version aren't going to be buying apps in the store either, or any media, etc. It's a market no one wants because those types of people tend to be cheap or pirates anyway. I am one so I would know.
Unfortunately, despite what you read, you are in a super minority with this. Linux is that way >, I suggest just giving up, the masses have spoken.
That's what most people are buying, including businesses, well they have slightly better crap, but the point stands.
Very few people are willing to pay what "quality, innovative hardware" costs nowadays.
I get that, but how does THAT fact make Obama's ban "worse?" that's why I just walked away.
It's actually probably your storage is slow. I have a 5 year old i3 laptop that hums along and never see any noticeable disk access, it's also got an SSD.
No, it's where I walk away from this, bye!
It was worse because it was unexpected...
I have no words.
If you look at the details in this case there is a vast difference between the 2 bans, I recommend looking at the details, then you'll understand why people are so pissed.
Point 1, their problem, not mine. If they don't want to change from their philosophy based "free" paradigm then they never have to, but they'll never "win" the desktop. The only way this happens is with ad and marketing dollars, full stop. How they get to that point is their issue to solve.
Point 2, It is a serious issue, whether or not it is for you is another matter. but I know better than to even try to get my girlfriend to use win32 outlook, when the much simpler UWP mail client is available. She knew how to use that in seconds, traditional outlook, she would need a manual and all the controls for things she will never do were just in the way. I don't understand why power users cannot grasp that they are a TINY portion of the market, an that the money, and mindshare, is making stuff that's more grandma friendly and simplified with just core features. So yes, it's a serious issues if you are trying to get people to switch, if you aren't, as distro makers have made abundantly clear for 15+ years, then I guess it's a non issue.
We just ditched an old web front end for time clock management, from a 2005 era one to something from current year. The techs tell me there are almost no time clock related calls now. There used to be all sorts of buttons for things like audit time, check this, check that other thing, etc. They removed all that and just left IN, OUT, LUNCH. The auditors and all have a separate page for all the complication. Calls dropped 90% for issues with that system.
Only Apple is making real money on hardware, MS has seen this, and that's why they have gone service heavy. Even Apple will eventually have their hardware profits dry up, I think the better question is what will they do about that when it happens, MS already has a plan.
The same apps that I see complaints all over the web about not being "tablet ready" are going to do this? do tell.