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Despite Netflix and Amazon Prime, Most of the World Watches Pirated Content (techinasia.com)

An anonymous reader shares a TechInAsia report: More than half of the people surveyed across the world still watch pirated movies and TV shows, a new survey shows. The study, conducted by digital security firm Irdeto, asked more than 25,000 adults across 30 countries about video watching trends. Here's what it found: 52 percent of those surveyed said they watch pirated videos. 48 said they would stop, or watch less illegal content after they were told about the damaging effects of piracy on the media industry. While many recognize that producing or sharing pirated video is illegal (70 percent), far fewer people are aware that streaming or downloading is also against the law (59 percent).

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  1. lol amazon prime by whoozwah · · Score: 5, Informative

    Dude. Amazon prime's streaming is garbage. It's all bait n switch. You're paying 100 bucks a year and you only get a handful of episodes per show/season. After that they expect you to pay per episode. No thanks.

    1. Re:lol amazon prime by hawguy · · Score: 5, Insightful

      Dude. Amazon prime's streaming is garbage. It's all bait n switch. You're paying 100 bucks a year and you only get a handful of episodes per show/season. After that they expect you to pay per episode. No thanks.

      Well, you're not paying $100/year for prime streaming. At least few people are.

      I'm paying $100/year for the shipping benefits (I make it all back during Christmastime when I send gifts to my extended family), the prime streaming is just a perk... and sometimes useful since there are some shows that Prime has that Netflix doesn't. So prime streaming is worth something to be, but not $100/year. Maybe $10/year. Though if I didn't have Netflix, Prime Video would be much more valuable to me.

    2. Re:lol amazon prime by gnick · · Score: 5, Insightful

      This goes hand-in-hand with TFA's conclusion. Start watching a series on Prime, continue watching it pirated. Then, next time, eliminate Prime from the loop since it added so little. Amazon Prime and Netflix will never have as wide a catalog as TPB.

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    3. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Plus shipping, plus free books, plus streaming audio...

      But I doubt people of your ilk read very much.

    4. Re:lol amazon prime by Nidi62 · · Score: 1

      plus free books

      Even with the free books, half of them (at least the ones that actually look interesting) are just one of a series of books, so they are still trying to drive you towards more purchases

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    5. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      This goes hand-in-hand with TFA's conclusion. Start watching a series on Prime, continue watching it pirated. Then, next time, eliminate Prime from the loop since it added so little. Amazon Prime and Netflix will never have as wide a catalog as TPB.

      The article is full of shit.
      Their conclusions are biased due to their sample choice, the sample set does not even begin to accurately reflect the average TV/Video/Movie consumer, in the US or anywhere else.

      And in the US, the "piracy rate" is far, far lower than in a lot of other countries. Not because there's anything special about Americans, but because there's a lot of stuff available here legitimately which is simply not available Out-Of-Region.

      Most people don't bother "pirating" shows. If a show isn't available, they just find something else to watch.

    6. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The point, then, is if people could they'd subtract all these "perks" and spend a lot less than $100/year. So, the whole point of the "perks" is to try to entice people to the notion that the $100/year is worth it and the rate shouldn't be lower. Well, no. Precisely because each one of these "tastes" of Prime Video, Prime Music, Prime Twitch, etc are just hooks to spend yet more money on things because of just how shitty those "tastes" of Prime Video, Prime Music, Prime Twitch, etc are.

      Or put another way, this is why people would rather pirate because nickle and diming people is a great way to make people feel cheated, especially when Amazon goes out of its way to sell you on the promise of what Prime offers but simultaneously goes out of its way to hide from you watch little Prime actually gets you, beyond the two day shipping.

    7. Re: lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      So they did a study that says people do. And you did no study and say people don't pirate. Hmmm who should I believe.

    8. Re:lol amazon prime by spire3661 · · Score: 1

      They do this same strategy with pricing across the board. The first book of a trilogy will be $2.99, the second book will be $5.99 and the third $7.99. IM talking about low grade fantasy from the 80s still commanding these insane prices. The example i am using is the Apprentice Adept series by Piers Anthony. A story that i thought was going to cost me $9 to read ballooned up to over double that...for books that are almost 40 years old and cost nothing to send me a copy.

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    9. Re:lol amazon prime by dmomo · · Score: 5, Informative

      I found that often, even though we are paying Prime fees for free shipping, the shipping fees are still often reflected in the cost of the item. I don't know why I keep Prime. They seem to be double dipping at times. When you search for the same item and find it for a lower price, it's likely a non-prime item, and often the price difference is pretty much in the ball park of the 2-day shipping cost.

    10. Re:lol amazon prime by Moof123 · · Score: 2

      This. Amazon is convenient, but their prices have bloated since prime such that most of the time it is worth my while to find a promotion elsewhere and get free shipping. Prime basically keeps me from becoming irate at Xmas time when my wife would otherwise just be ordering stuff without heeding how much shipping is going to be at the last minute for the cheap garbage her relatives want for Xmas. Between Prime BS and their search algorithm that mostly ignores my search terms I am really close to being done with Amazon.

    11. Re:lol amazon prime by the_Bionic_lemming · · Score: 1

      Heh, a guy on ebay is trying to sell the entire destroyer series (150 books) for 999.00.

      My Magicians of Gor - first print runs around 60 bucks because there weren't that many printed. I have a signed Alan Dean Foster if anyone is interested.

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    12. Re:lol amazon prime by Quirkz · · Score: 1

      Just curious, is that for electronic or print versions?

      That kind of pricing model might make sense for new books or indie authors: cheap for older books, or to entice the curious, and then more expensive for the newer books and/or once readers are hooked.

      I wouldn't expect that for something that old, though.

    13. Re:lol amazon prime by tacokill · · Score: 1

      there is a checkbox on the left nav for "Prime". Check it and you will only see prime shipping eligible products. Very helpful you exactly your situation.....

    14. Re:lol amazon prime by spire3661 · · Score: 2
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    15. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      So if the problem is that prime-eligible items have their prices jacked up by the cost of shipping, thus negating the value of the service, the solution is to ignore the problem? Do you work for Amazon?

    16. Re:lol amazon prime by Custard+Horse · · Score: 1

      Plus Amazon helpfully states when the product is available cheaper elsewhere in a non-Prime listing - and tells you the price.

    17. Re:lol amazon prime by serviscope_minor · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Then, next time, eliminate Prime from the loop since it added so little.

      It actually subtracts a bit, rather than adds anything. Thing is, go to TPB, type in the name, get a super fast download (choose the quality), and watch it on any device, with your own media player, in any way you want with precisely ZERO hassles from DRM.

      That's the problem with pirated stuff: it's not just that's free, it's also better.

      Contrast that with music. If I get it from amazon, after paying, I get a zip file with nicely categorized, DRM free, play anywhere anyhow files in it. That is an excellent product.

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    18. Re: lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I don't get free shipping, books, audio, or rental in my country. Only streaming the shit in prime.

    19. Re:lol amazon prime by tacokill · · Score: 1

      I haven't found that to be the case and no, I don't work for Amazon. But I do buy a lot of stuff from them. Prime, for the shipping alone, is worth it to me.

    20. Re: lol amazon prime by tsqr · · Score: 1

      He didn't say people in the US don't pirate; he said they pirate at a much lower rate than people in other parts of the world. The study to which you're referring say that as well.

    21. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Man, if you think that's a bait and switch, my experience with Hulu was much worse. They advertise shows that were hosted by other entities and thus not available from a mobile app/Chromecast/Roku, or they have content that is available to watch only in a browser, but no where else.

      Things may have changed from 2 years ago, but I cancelled that shit not 3 hours after I signed up, still within the "trial" period.

    22. Re:lol amazon prime by JoeMerchant · · Score: 2

      What people do, vs what people say they do, vs what people say that people do are three almost disconnected things.

      Do you break the law? Would you stop if X? How many paying customers do you have?

      All of these are extremely loaded questions, without some form of independent validation of the results - voluntary answers are highly unreliable.

    23. Re:lol amazon prime by JoeMerchant · · Score: 1

      You're paying for fast shipping with Prime, basic shipping is definitely pre-loaded into the Free Shipping items cost.

    24. Re:lol amazon prime by war4peace · · Score: 1

      I had subscribed to Netflix, then canceled my subscription because most stuff that I wanted to watch (e.g. my favorite movies) weren't available in my country. Lack of localized subtitles was a major no-no for my wife. Incomplete cartoon series was a let-down for my kids.

      Pirated movies are of excellent quality, have localized subtitles, some are dubbed in my language (important for cartoons). Shortly put, better service.
      I couldn't care less about "exclusive contracts" preventing me from enjoying content legally. Those are between entities which are thriving at my expense and don't "improve my experience" a bit.

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    25. Re:lol amazon prime by OrangeTide · · Score: 2

      It's definitely the case for small items. I've been using Prime for 10-12 years and the prices for items have slowly crept up. I can frequently find a third party sell that isn't doing prime that has an item that is +Shipping that rivals the prime price. But it's much harder to compare the third party seller because sometimes I get the item in 2 days and other times it's more like 10 days. Where as prime shipping has been more consistent, probably because it all comes from the same set of warehouses.

      Really the only good deal for shipping is Amazon Pantry. But they make it intentionally difficult to order just a single item.

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    26. Re:lol amazon prime by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      It's a scam. Once you have it you feel like you should be your money's worth. You buy more from Amazon, and they use it to drive you to the things they want you to buy. Unless you buy a lot of stuff and can't be bothered to wait a few more days for the free shipping you don't even save any money.

      I just use the free trials they offer every few months, but never pay for it.

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    27. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The home stone of Ar's Station is not a suppository. ... Or is it?

    28. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I concur with this... When you stream a pirated TV show, the commercials are all cut-out, the seasons and episodes are all nicely organized. I don't even have to reach for the remote to FFWD the commercials when you are streaming a pirated tv show, because it's all done for you.

    29. Re:lol amazon prime by sheramil · · Score: 1

      I had subscribed to Netflix, then canceled my subscription because most stuff that I wanted to watch (e.g. my favorite movies) weren't available in my country.

      This, emphatically. I had it for three days, then canceled it when I realised how fragmented and... relentlessly Pink their selection was. The Subgenius needs SLACK, not ... digital MUSH.

    30. Re:lol amazon prime by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

      Amazon rarely sells Prime items directly. The company reselling using FBA sets the price, it's just that FBA items get a higher priority than another company selling the same item.

      Companies are selling for what they know people are willing to spend on an item. If it doesn't sell, they lower it. But this isn't on Amazon, it's on the vendor. Shipping is completely irrelevant.

    31. Re:lol amazon prime by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it's also theft. I don't care how nice and convenient it is, a worker is worthy of their wages and for me to steal a movie robs someone of their honest, hard earned cash.

    32. Re:lol amazon prime by hairyfeet · · Score: 1

      Its a total scam dude, that is why Amazon is being sued over Prime. Log out and then look at the prices of several items, note them then log back in and see what the prices are. You'll find your Amazon Prime membership will often raise the prices on items so you aren't saving shit, its just a shell game and all you are really getting for the $100 a year is the streaming service.

      Personally I don't think their content is worth anywhere near a c-note a year so I passed on it but YMMV.

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    33. Re:lol amazon prime by hairyfeet · · Score: 2

      I'm sorry but they robbed everyone in America by committing bribery and stealing the Public Domain from We, The People, so ask me how much I give a fuck. Until We, The People actually get a seat at the table and copyrights become what the constitution spelled out which was a LIMITED PERIOD instead of Valenti's "forever minus a single day"? Excuse me if I don't feel bad if someone mugs a fucking thief.

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    34. Re:lol amazon prime by hawguy · · Score: 1

      Its a total scam dude, that is why Amazon is being sued over Prime. Log out and then look at the prices of several items, note them then log back in and see what the prices are. You'll find your Amazon Prime membership will often raise the prices on items so you aren't saving shit, its just a shell game and all you are really getting for the $100 a year is the streaming service.

      Personally I don't think their content is worth anywhere near a c-note a year so I passed on it but YMMV.

      The article you linked to doesn't match what you are saying.

      The lawsuit claims:

      Instead, the suits accuse Amazon of offering free shipping on items whose prices had been inflated to incorporate the cost of the shipping.

      Well duh, Amazon doesn't try to hide that, items with "free" prime shipping often cost more than items without free shipping, or with paid shipping.

      This is especially true with low-cost items. For example: Sharpie Permanent Markers, Ultra Fine Point, Black, 5 Count

      Here's the pricing Amazon advertises:

      Price: $5.79 FREE Shipping (3 days) for Prime members Details

      Note: Available at a lower price from other sellers, potentially without free Prime shipping.

      New (61) from $4.99 & FREE shipping.

      I've tried the "Clear your cookies and check pricing" trick after other people have said that Amazon inflates prime prices, and haven't seen any difference for Amazon fulfilled products between what I see when I'm logged in and when I'm not. I'd be really surprised if Amazon actually did this since it would quickly be discovered and would cause a backlash.

    35. Re:lol amazon prime by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      Whenever I search Amazon, I do it to find the item, then log on to purchase it. I've never seen the prices jump.

    36. Re:lol amazon prime by R.Mo_Robert · · Score: 1

      So if the problem is that prime-eligible items have their prices jacked up by the cost of shipping, thus negating the value of the service, the solution is to ignore the problem? Do you work for Amazon?

      (Not the original poster, but...) I don't think that Prime eligibility, even when the item costs the same as a non-Prime item plus shipping (usually a fixed amount per category, not per item), is necessarily "negating the value of the service." Unlike a random shipping method a third party might choose, Prime shipping is usually two days and gives you the option to upgrade to next-day for a per-item fee. If you don't care how fast it ships, Amazon has also been doing a promotion lately where they let you choose super-slow shipping in return for a $1 digital video/music/book credit or occasionally a Prime Pantry credit that basically covers shipping, so you can build up enough of those to save on other products/services you might use. (I basically get an MP3 album or Kindle book for free every few months.)

      This is saying nothing of Prime's other benefits. While there is video streaming (the topic of this article), I think many people find the free options kinda "meh." Amazon Prime Music, however, is quite nice--not as vast as Spotify (which has the same music available at all tiers; you can pay more to get more on Amazon), but convenient if you have an Echo (or access to a web browser or the Amazon Music app) and just want to stream something it has. There are Kindle things as well, but I don't think anything quite compares to the music streaming in terms of usefulness for me--besides, of course, shipping. (Now *I* probably sound like I work for Amazon. I don't, and let it be known that free RedCard shipping for items on target.com is often cheaper than Amazon these days and often just as fast if it's from a nearby warehouse.)

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    37. Re:lol amazon prime by Oligonicella · · Score: 1

      You got your "they"s wrong there Sparky. The author decides if they want their book on for free. I have one for free and yes it's only one of a series. It's called a loss-leader and that's the entire point of giving it away.

    38. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      ...even if you made it the best quality and DRM free it would be uploaded to the pirate bay within an hour of its release where it continues to get pirated anyway by all the same people. People pirate because getting something for nothing is always better than getting something for something. Everything else is just self-delusion. You fucking morons use the same excuses over and over and it changes nothing. The bottom line is if you can find a way to avoid paying, you will.

    39. Re:lol amazon prime by serviscope_minor · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it's also theft.

      That's irrelevant. You can fight against human nature if you like, but you're unlikely to be able to overcome it. If you charge a high price for a crap product when a better one is available, you're going to have problems with people not buying it yours. And that applies even if the alternative is not legal.

      You can say "but but but theft" all you like, but it won't change the fundamentals. The sharing of culture, stories and entertainment is fundamental to human nature and dates back to well before recorded history: until people started actually recording history, that WAS the record. Speaking about some abstract laws which have exsted for less than 0.1% of the time that humans have been sharing stories that tells them they're going to have to wait 6 months because of some sort of contract between enromous legal entities (and especially ones with a reputation for massively ripping off the actual creators) just doesn't really tap into the moral centres of most people's brains. So, most people don't feel terribly bad about pirating when a legal alternative doesn't exist.

      So, you can say "theft" all you like, and crack down as hard as you like, but it just won't work. Compare to the war on drugs: the US after a series of massive crackdowns it has the higest prison incarceration rate in the entire world. All there is to show for it is hundreds of billions, possibly trillions wasted.

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    40. Re:lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Amen to that brother. Pink boy mediocretin programming is just an insult, and an irritant, to the attention gland !

      Praise "Bob" !!!

    41. Re:lol amazon prime by pnutjam · · Score: 1

      irc ebooks are where it's at.

    42. Re: lol amazon prime by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      I had both, got rid of them. All the older shows I enjoyed were vanishing for their own brand of shows. "Exclusive" to Netflix or "Exclusive" to Amazon. I've had Netflix for years for the ability to watch old shows that I can't find on tv. I basically ended up with a server full of shows I enjoy from "pirated" content because they eliminated those shows from their library.

    43. Re:lol amazon prime by Guybrush_T · · Score: 1

      Also, the price for legal services is quite low compared to the average US income (and compared to -say- mobile plans). Go to almost anywhere else in the world and those same prices will be considered too much.

    44. Re: lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      80 cents plus $100 per year is still a pretty good deal though.

    45. Re: lol amazon prime by hawguy · · Score: 1

      80 cents plus $100 per year is still a pretty good deal though.

      You don't seem to understand Prime -- it's not just "free shipping", but it's "free express shipping" -- so whether or not it's worth it depends on how fast you want the product. For this product, If I order through Prime, they'll deliver them by Sunday evening. If I save 80 cents and order through the other merchant, they'll arrive sometime between Wednesday and next Monday. Or I can pay $9.50 for expedited shipping and have them here by Monday.

      Plus I get Amazon's trouble-free customer service for amazon fulfilled products, if the product arrives late or damaged, they'll take it back (and pay for return shipping) free of charge, no questions asked.

    46. Re: lol amazon prime by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      As an American now living abroad, I have a new understanding of why this happens. For one, even Netflix (and friends) don't have a great selection of older and smaller-release films I enjoy, but I realize that in my current country, none of the major American providers exist. The only option is to stream/torrent if you want to watch at home without ordering a DVD or BluRay. And definitely, the pirated films tend to have localized subtitles or even dubbed audio tracks (since it's hard to justify the business decision to provide such features to a market of only a few million).

  2. The cycle is almost complete by Baron_Yam · · Score: 2, Interesting

    It used to be that art was more or less done because either the artist was driven or a patron was willing to fund it.

    Right now, art in various forms draws a lot of money... but it isn't piracy that will kill Hollywood, it's machinima. Once an affordable computer can replicate the real world (plus special effects)realistically, the current system will fail completely.

    Then our problem will be wading through all the polished turds produced by people who only think they're talented while we're trying to find an actual precious stone.

    1. Re: The cycle is almost complete by Newton+IV · · Score: 1

      Facebook, Instagram and Snapchat have already killed Hollywood for younger people. Distributed creation of crappy content.

    2. Re: The cycle is almost complete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Please go back to elementary school and read a biology textbook.

    3. Re:The cycle is almost complete by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You mean like they're doing it right now with most movies?

    4. Re:The cycle is almost complete by lgw · · Score: 1

      Right now, art in various forms draws a lot of money... but it isn't piracy that will kill Hollywood, it's machinima. Once an affordable computer can replicate the real world (plus special effects)realistically, the current system will fail completely.

      There are low budget efforts from the big studios using this very idea that have been pretty good: Star Wars Clone Wars and Rebels, and the DTV Tinkerbell movies. That level of quality has little "wow" factor, but it doesn't matter if the writing is good. It will soon be to the point that independents can create stuff at that quality level, and make some money.

      But that's a threat to the direct-to-video market. The Marvel movies are also mostly animation, and no independent outfit will be challenging them any time soon. The render budget is just insane (the entire 3D animation business in the US is kept in business by Marvel movies at this point). CPU hours at scale aren't getting cheaper very fast these days.

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  3. It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Pirated material can be played with your player of choice, on your device of choice.

    It can be played at 1.5x speed. The audio can be amplified, or filtered, and the channels can be mixed differently.

    The video can be transcoded to meet the needs of a mobile device.

    The content can be consumed off-grid.

    There is just so much convenience when these motherfuckers get out the goddamn way!!!1111

    1. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by TWX · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I think you're drilling-down too far.

      Pirated content is free from restrictions governing its availability. It's availability is not limited to a single television season for a few weeks or months, or for a slate of a hundred films for a few months before being changed-out and no longer being available. The viewer is free to watch any content that they can find any time they want to.

      We have over 2000 movies and TV seasons in our physical media collection spanning five formats. There are no restrictions preventing us from watching whatever we want from this set. If streaming is going to work, this is how it will have to work, like someone's personal movie collection, with everything possible available all of the time, ad infinitum. Forever.

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    2. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by nickittynickname · · Score: 2

      I know that's why many people pirate. They will buy the digital title through apple or amazon. Then they will download it from TPB in the format they want for whatever device they have. This is especially true for disney titles and media for children where parents want the movies for not connected hand me down phone or tablets.

    3. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix and Amazon Prime have fuck all content. Both libraries are shrinking as they throw money into their own shows instead of renting it from content owners. What they offer is good enough to be superior to live TV and incessant fucking adverts, but it's way too small a selection unless you've not seen anything for over a decade.

    4. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by peragrin · · Score: 4, Interesting

      It gets better as studios are still restricting content per region and sometimes country. In Europe and USA and Canada you can get commercial for shows that are airing a few miles away but you can't legally watch for another few months per the studios desired schedule.

      I find it funny. You have a hit show world wide. You tell the word when it will air in country a and then get pissed when the world pirates it since it won't be in their country for 6-9 months in the future.

      Piracy is and always will be an economic one if people are pirating your content that means the supply side is not meeting the needs of the demand side in a massive way.

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    5. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I can afford it, so I pay rather than pirate. So I buy DVDs and CDs. I can then watch/listen at home, or rip the stuff and put it on a phone/tablet for travelling. And then I can use the content without being online. Which is important - holidays got to places where the only internet is in a café. I select hotels based on interesting location, not because they have decent internet speed.

      If I should bother with streaming, they would have to match this:
      * work with linux, no more hassle than watching a dvd on linux
      * I can pay, download once, store the movie/song on my any of my devices
      * when I play the stuff later, in the years to come, I should not need an internet connection or their app. They don't have an app that runs on arm anyway . . .
      * Of course the content will work forever, even if they go bankrupt and cease operating their servers. No cloud dependency.

    6. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by squiggleslash · · Score: 1

      Well, that might be true, I don't know, I don't pirate, but I suspect a bigger part of it is that it's about actually being able to watch what you want. Netflix, Amazon Prime, Hulu, and the other streaming services rarely actually have the content you're looking for. They're a lightyear away from being the "Watch anything you want, at any time" services they were originally intended to become. Netflix has given up. Prime was probably never meant to be that. Hulu is permanently beleaguered.

      It's a little rich to complain about piracy "despite" legal alternatives when those legal alternatives aren't alternatives.

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    7. Re: It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I like pay services I like convenience, except when I pay too much. If I watch Netflix once a week, I am subsidizing people who watch 10 hours everyday. Give me an option to pay 20 cents a movie, 5 cents an episode, then I will stop pirating.

    8. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by TWX · · Score: 2

      Sometimes I wonder if their staggered-release model is to attempt to span revenue over time. It's generally easier to budget when revenue comes in as a stream rather than in chunks.

      I don't necessarily agree with it mind you, especially when it's been proven that the viewing audience is only willing to wait so long for the next thing that's already out.

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    9. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by TWX · · Score: 1

      We've done much the same thing. Unfortunately a large part of our collection is on VHS and Laserdisc, which don't really lend themselves to digital storage. We generally have a two-format rule, the new version needs to be two formats better than the old version in order to justify replacing it, but we're starting to soften on that with the Laserdiscs. It was easy to find DVDs to replace tapes, but there are a lot of titles on LD that can't be found on Blu-Ray and on the modern projector the analog Laserdiscs look pretty awful.

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    10. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by jafiwam · · Score: 1

      Netflix and Amazon Prime have fuck all content. Both libraries are shrinking as they throw money into their own shows instead of renting it from content owners. What they offer is good enough to be superior to live TV and incessant fucking adverts, but it's way too small a selection unless you've not seen anything for over a decade.

      Meh.

      I watch random stuff. Amazon Prime Video keeps me occupied enough with what is there to suit my purposes.

      Just recently I went back and watched all three seasons of the original Star Trek, Generation Kill, and Band of Brothers.

      None of those would even get a second glance if I had to pay for them directly.

      Yes, if you want the latest X-men dreck then you might be disappointed. But as an alternative to channel surfing or Youtube it works great.

    11. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Are you crazy? And how are they going to make us pay through our noses every time we want to view a movie?

    12. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by tbannist · · Score: 1

      Netflix and Amazon Prime have fuck all content. Both libraries are shrinking as they throw money into their own shows instead of renting it from content owners.

      This is one of the downsides of competition, all of the media cartel giants are getting in on the streaming action and they all want to have exclusive shows, so the prices are going up and everything that is licensed exclusively disappears from the library of every other service. The new Netflix-wannabes want exclusives because they don't want to just be successful, they want to destroy Netflix. In particular, because Netflix is not a cable/satellite network, it is an existential threat to the cable TV distributors. Many of them are aiming to choke off content access for Netflix, by driving up prices and denying them access to flagship content.

      That's the reason Netflix is focusing so heavily on developing it's own content, it's protection against the media cartels that are gunning to kill them.

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    13. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      When DVD was the new format Hollywood was so happy, the production costs were crazy cheap but people would pay the same price as video because of the quality difference. Now they are starting to regret that they ever released their products in a digital-ready format, because everything that was ever committed to plastic in now available online somewhere. They want streaming, they want only streaming, and they want that streaming locked down with DRM.

    14. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am the same thing. Think I am around 3k in ripped disks (1200 movies, 100+ TV shows). Then on top of that my wife and I had been buying CDs for years. We have about 1000 of those.

      For me I get DVD for most things. The bluray for the stuff I know I will like. Many times movies are not worth watching ever again. I have about 10-20 movies I am half way through. They were not even worth finishing to watch. That is where things like netflix and amazon come into play. But their libraries are lets just say either expensive or eclectic. Meaning they do not usually carry what I want. Occasionally I come across one my early DVDs where the quality is basically a VHS rip. I look to see if I like it enough to buy it on a newer media. Many times that is not worth even doing. Some movies actually suffer from the better resolution. The special effects become obvious and jarring. I found that to be true especially in the horror genre. The sci fi/action stuff usually holds up better. I have a list of 'probably should replace that'. Then when people ask what gift they would like me to get I pull out my list and ask for a bluray of something. I then donate the DVD to the local public library. Usually if it is a FF matte transfer of a movie that was filmed in widescreen it is a good candidate for an upgrade.

      I managed to skip LD. For its time it was the best there was. I jumped in right when DVD hit big. But it really shows its NTSC/PAL resolutions. You can kinda tweak it a bit but its not the same as a rip from a good master. Even back in the day it was only slightly better than VHS.

      I got to the point where I was using KODI to watch my ripped stuff more than netflix. I ditched it. I kept amazon for the shipping. But it is nice for the occasional streamed TV show I am not sure of. But even then usually if it is new they want 3-5 bucks an episode. I can BUY whole seasons of DVDs for 15-30 bucks usually. Sometimes I can get entire 5-10 season shows for that.

    15. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Pirated material can be played with your player of choice, on your device of choice.

      It can be played at 1.5x speed. The audio can be amplified, or filtered, and the channels can be mixed differently.

      The video can be transcoded to meet the needs of a mobile device.

      The content can be consumed off-grid.

      There is just so much convenience when these motherfuckers get out the goddamn way!!!1111

      It's also about PRIVACY. Pirated content can be downloaded and viewed anonymously. With Netflix or Amazon, I need an account.

    16. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Kjella · · Score: 1

      If streaming is going to work, this is how it will have to work, like someone's personal movie collection, with everything possible available all of the time, ad infinitum. Forever.

      That's what the people on /. said about MP3s too but I'd say Spotify and friends have proven that's not really the problem. The problem is that we want specific content and you'll never be able to say a video is a video in the same way that music streaming services say a song is a song. HBO will want to charge you for Game of Thrones, BBC for Doctor Who, George Lucas for Star Wars, NFL for football, Brazzers for pr0n and so on. And that's okay, but there's no federated access. I'd like to add sources to one media player the way you add third party repositories to the package manager in Linux. You've bought something? It's there. You have a subscription? It's there. You have a local copy of whatever? It's there. But that doesn't exist while piracy is a one-stop shop for everything.

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    17. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh my god yes!

      I've been ruined by pirated content and vlc.
      I can't hardly watch a video lower than 1.2x speed anymore.

    18. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by AmiMoJo · · Score: 2

      Disabling common, expected technology is a deal breaker too. For example, if I buy an ebook, it better support text to speech with my choice of high quality speech synthesis engine. I'm not paying 30 bucks for your audiobook version, if you try to force me I'll be paying you nothing at all.

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    19. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by whitlocktj · · Score: 1

      So piracy can be excused by economics. How convenient. I'm sorry lawyer, you see, I didn't have the means to wait until it was out on Blu-Ray and pay $25 bucks. That's why I illegally downloaded the movie.

    20. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by enrique556 · · Score: 1

      .. and if nobody ever pirated, we wouldn't know what we're missing. I think this parallels the FOSS vs proprietary/closed software ideal that Richard Stallman champions. RJS is a complete nut, but like people who pirate, and especially like people who facilitate piracy, without him we wouldn't even know what we're missing. You really do need someone operating outside the established system to do this as the incumbents will fight hard to put a stop to it. To give a real-world example, I very much doubt Netflix and the like would even exist if torrents hadn't existed; the film studios would have us buying DVDs for $35 for the next 50 years.

      Oh and don't get me started about blu-rays. I bout a blu-ray player for my pc, only to find that I wasn't allowed to use it to watch blu ray movies unless I bought some $50 software that paid a license fee to Sony for the priviledge. It wasn't enough that the manufacturer of the drive AND the movie studios paid a license fee to Sony to use the tech. What a fucking joke.

    21. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "most" of the world, includes the likes of china and russia.. where piracy is the 'norm'.... and especially in china, is also available from street vendors *everywhere*

      those, plus most of the rest of the world lives in backwards countries with region locks, delayed or limited distribution, and/or unavailable content.

      that "most of the world" watches pirated content over two specific streaming sites should not surprise *anyone*.

    22. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by michelcolman · · Score: 1

      It may not be a legal excuse, but many people take it as a moral one.

      I want to watch a movie that was released 3 years ago. I happened to see it was available for rental on iTunes last year, but for some obscure reason today it isn't. I can buy it for three times the price, but not rent it. Possibly because they have a deal with a TV station that will air it later this year, I don't know, I can only guess.

      Anyway, I want to rent the film today, I'm fully willing to part with the fair price for it, but the content providers have decided they don't want the money, unless I pay a lot more to buy it outright.

      Meanwhile, I have this app that can download any movie for free, illegally but with practically zero chance of getting caught. (In my country it's not even 100% clear whether downloading is illegal or not in this case, only uploading).

      Guess what, content providers, you just lost the rental fee I was perfectly willing to pay but you refused to accept. And I don't even feel bad about it, quite the contrary, I feel entitled. Sure, it won't stand up in court, but it won't have to because nobody knows I did it.

      Other example: if I buy a legal DVD with a movie for my children, they need to watch about a minute or so of copyright notices, "don't be a pirate", "you wouldn't steal a car", or similar bullshit before the movie can finally start. The illegally downloaded version starts right away. Guess which one we prefer. Isn't that ridiculous? They are degrading their legal customers' experience with a message that has zero effect on pirates! Clearly a lose-lose situation.

    23. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if i buy an ebook it better not fucking cost essentially the same as an actual book.
      cunts.

    24. Re:It's all about CONVENIENCE. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      as long as Netflix suits you we should all be happy you mean?
      cunt.

    25. Re: It's all about CONVENIENCE. by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Agreed. I'm not about to pay $30 for a Blu-ray that I'll probably watch only once because there is no local video store rental place. Netflix, doesn't have it. I won't give iShit any money ever. If it's a classic I've watched 10+ times it's usually in a Walmart discount bin for $8 (fair price) and I buy it. I wouldn't pay the $30 to see a new movie because there is a 80% chance the movie is going to be recycled garbage and suck.

  4. Obligatory Oatmeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Funny
    1. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      The strip missed the bits about your-tax-dollar-paid-government-thugs under the command of "content industry" busting down his door with guns drawn, arresting his ass for causing "billions of dollars" in "damage."

    2. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by hawguy · · Score: 5, Funny

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

      Sure that's funny and all, but how do I find the site for "Impossibly proportioned girls that want to date your testicles!"? I've been searching for that my whole life!

    3. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 4, Insightful

      Pirated content: timely, convenient, a decent choice of formats and compression, unencumbered with DRM for offline watching on any device, a huge selection of both older and new material, easy to find and download. And also cheap, but I put that advantage last for a reason. Remember when we had AllOfMP3? At the time I said it made a great example for a proper legal online music shop. Maybe at some point the movie / TV industry will take note as well, and start offering their content in a more timely and friendly manner.

      In this country, the official position used to be "provide your content in an acceptable manner or we won't prosecute people when they pirate it". They have since changed that policy but I still think it's a decent one. Specifically where it concerns geoblocked content. Not willing to sell here for some arbitrary reason? Then people are free to avail themselves of it as far as I am concerned, and that's precisely what I did for a while with ebooks. I'd try the regular stores, and if I hit a geoblock (which was very often during the early days of ebooks) I'd try a store that accepted PayPal (so I could just enter a bogus US address and bypass the block). But if that failed, TPB usually had what I wanted.

      Copyright was intented to foster the spread of cultural works, and to encourage creators to keep on creating. Giving creators a chance to make some money with their craft is one way to encourage them thusly, but the reward is a means, not an end.

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      If construction was anything like programming, an incorrectly fitted lock would bring down the entire building...
    4. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by mjwx · · Score: 2

      http://theoatmeal.com/comics/game_of_thrones

      Sure that's funny and all, but how do I find the site for "Impossibly proportioned girls that want to date your testicles!"? I've been searching for that my whole life!

      This.

      And to add to this that a lot of content that is available on US Netflix is not available outside the US, even on Netflix. So if publishers are going to try to lock down their content, they can expect pirates.

      I believe Gabe Newel, Brad Wardell (Of Stardock) as well as whoever is in charge of CD Projekt Red (GOG) have all said something along the lines of "pirates are just unserved customers".

        In order for me to pay for some shows in the UK I need to wait for them to come out on DVD... that misses a huge window of opportunity for the vendor as I'm not going to wait six months for that to happen when I can just download them for free. Sure I feel a little bad for it... but then I think, fuck it, I tried to give them my money and they didn't want it. Hell, some shows dont even make it here on DVD.

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    5. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I tried pasting that into google search but I got a website for a restaurant in Colorado. No, that's not an oyster.

    6. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Cigaes · · Score: 1

      Hear, hear!

      I am convinced that most people are inherently honest and would gladly pay for what they watch, if given the chance. And I remember a TED talk by Amanda Palmer saying the same thing.

      But what do they ask us to pay for? Exclusive rights wars, clumsy proprietary players, limited play periods.

      If the studios and distributors had any brains at all, they would acknowledge that limiting the spread of the files is a lost war, they would give easy access to them and a wide variety of payment methods, including an open “I have watched something from you for free (I will not tell you if it was legally or not), I would like to give back” donate form. And they would actually charge for extra features such as earlier access.

      I even suspect a lot of pirates would respect that and not compete with the paying extra features.

      At this time, as far as I know, only Crunchyroll gets it almost right.

    7. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      Sure that's funny and all, but how do I find the site for "Impossibly proportioned girls that want to date your testicles!"? I've been searching for that my whole life!

      So that post was modded "+5 Insightful".... well at least /. has it's priorities straight.....

    8. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by jediborg · · Score: 1

      Basically the studios refuse to sell their content online. They will RENT it attached to DRM or advertising (e.g. streaming neflix, amazon rentals, etc.) But they absolutely refuse to give you a DRM free file downloaded to your PC for money. Heck they've even stopped allowing you to download DRM'd files to be played on your PC for money. (remember google video?)

      So really, they are refusing to sell their content, and then complaining about people not buying their content

      If I could go to sony.com and see every sony pictures movie ever made, and can download DRM free SD, HD, or HD+Bonus Features files for say, $2.99, $5.99, and $8.99 and basically got a similar file to what i would on a pirated site, only i didn't have to deal with malicious advertisements, sleazy advertisements (its embarrassing to browse some of these sites) and I knew the movie would always be available for me to purchase on the site, and the the download speeds where fast and not unprofessionally slow, i would never ever pirate a Sony movie ever again..

      its surprising that no studio has made such a site thus far. From what i can tell they think if they sold their content like that, the pirates would pay for one copy of each movie, and then we would all download the files for free from the pirate sites.

      i don't think that would actually happen because A) the big pirates actually have to pay money for the upload bandwidth B) a professional amazon-grade website would have download speeds greater than Bittorrent C) I think most people actually WANT to pay a few bucks for a legitimate copy of a movie they're gonna watch once D) a bunch of other economic factors i don't wanna bother to type out, but basically I think they would make more money from this buisness model then they would loose from the small percentage who will continue to pirate, using files from the official site

    9. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      well, for a start, the model's name is Denise Milani.

    10. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by Zemran · · Score: 1

      The cartoon shows why people in the US download torrents but outside in the rest of the world where the article was written you do not even have those choices. You have the torrent or nothing. Most people are on much less money than someone in the US so they may know that people in the US think it is wrong to torrent but for someone earning $150 there is no other option. Ending torrents will not save the movie industry, in fact the opposite. Most people cannot afford to buy the movies so stopping copying would simply result in them not seeing the movie with no increase in revenue. There would however be a decrease in demand. People can learn to live without movies. As society changes, that change can spread into the lands where people can afford to watch movies but can chose not to.

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    11. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1

      i don't think that would actually happen because A) the big pirates actually have to pay money for the upload bandwidth B) a professional amazon-grade website would have download speeds greater than Bittorrent C) I think most people actually WANT to pay a few bucks for a legitimate copy of a movie they're gonna watch once D) a bunch of other economic factors i don't wanna bother to type out, but basically I think they would make more money from this buisness model then they would loose from the small percentage who will continue to pirate, using files from the official site

      Most importantly: E) All the movies you could possibly want are already available on the pirate sites, in your favorite format, despite DRM and legal smackdowns. Making movies available as legal downloads with no DRM isn't going to change that.

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    12. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by jediborg · · Score: 1

      Actually no, .Torrents often expire as both leechers and seeders remove them from their bittorent queues. You can't download 'Avatar: The Last airbender: The Movie' because it bombed in theaters so no one bothers to seed it anymore. Also the legions of fans that gladly ensure all episodes of the Cartoon are available for free downloading don't bother doing the same for the horrible movie.

      Also try downloading a good movie (even a REALLY good movie) from the 1930's or 1940's that isn't on AFIS "Top 100 movies of all time" list. You can't do it, there just isn't the demand+supply available. But if a movie studio put ALL their movies ever made available for sale online like I suggested, they would get a lot of money from old people that want to re-watch these old movies they loved or share them with friends, and movie history buffs would also love to watch these for the first time and blog about them

      There is a hudge untapped market here for old movies that the studios aren't taking advantage of, and because of copyright term lengths, they won't let anyone else provide such a service. I'm pretty sure they would make millions if they stopped trying to fight piracy and just sold their back catalog online legit.

    13. Re:Obligatory Oatmeal by JaredOfEuropa · · Score: 1
      Surprisingly, even crap movies like that are still around being seeded. Want "The Last Airbender"? Couple of formats with plenty of seeders: this taken from TPB just now:

      Video Avatar: The Last Airbender [Remastered 1080p]
      Magnet linkPlay linkThis torrent has 3 comments. Uploaded 12-11 2016, Size 63.46 GiB, ULed by RemasteringATLA 78 32

      The Last Airbender (2010) 1080p BrRip x264 - YIFY
      Magnet linkPlay linkThis torrent has 7 comments.VIP Uploaded 11-20 2012, Size 1.4 GiB, ULed by YIFY 57 16

      The Last Airbender (2010) 720p BrRip x264 - YIFY
      Magnet linkPlay linkThis torrent has 10 comments.VIP Uploaded 11-20 2012, Size 750.83 MiB, ULed by YIFY 50 9

      AVATAR - 2010 Movie, The LAST Airbender, Legend of KORRA - 720p
      Magnet linkThis torrent has 1 comments.Trusted Uploaded 10-11 2016, Size 29.19 GiB, ULed by HardToF1nd 29 64

      Sure, not everything is there, and if movie studios were to offer their complete collection online for downloading I'd be a happy customer. But if TPB were a legit shop, even movie buffs would be pretty happy with the selection.

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  5. Pirated Content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indeed, it took an entire ship, 40 mates, plenty of gunpowder (and some for your beard) to make this content available. Miraculously, not one man died in this heroic act of piracy.

  6. Pirate PowARR!! by GameboyRMH · · Score: 2

    Prepare to be boarded, lilly-livered DRM-lubbers!

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  7. Availability of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    Not to speak for everyone, but some content just is not available. Easiest example that comes to mind: Little Witch Academia is airing in Japan. Netflix has streaming rights, so it should be available for me to watch on Netflix, right? Wrong, because Netflix doesn't show things as they air, but they will be putting the whole thing up once it's over in a few months. So if I want to watch this show as it airs (because watching shows as they air and discussing it with other nerds online is way more fun than binging on an archive), I have no legal option to do so.

    1. Re:Availability of content by Njorthbiatr · · Score: 2

      Crunchy Roll I think has the rights for Simulcast of this show.

      But you do have a point that real shows are region locked or not licensed in certain regions. It's attempting to control distribution of something that's always going to be easily distributed that's the problem.

    2. Re:Availability of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Netflix paid big bucks to keep LWA to themselves.

      I'm pretty sure that I posted about this in the amazon strike thread, but netflix's "binge" model might work great for things that are truly netflix owned and released, but for anything else (LWA specifically, since Trigger is the hype wave effect cannon that blew the hype train away), this behavior is just going to lose customers to piracy since people are going to want to be in on what everyone else is talking about and not wait 'til the end of the season to "binge" it.

    3. Re:Availability of content by pr0fessor · · Score: 2

      I had cable for years even though there were other options because the content I wanted just wasn't there yet... now it's much better but if you need to sign up for a subscriptions on half a dozen sites then you may as well be paying for cable.

      I have netflix, prime, my dvd collection, and a bunch or free ad supported content like cbs and cwtv that I watch and no cable. I don't mind commercials on free content, I do however mind paying for cable and still having a boat load of commercials.

    4. Re:Availability of content by swb · · Score: 1

      A lot of Hollywood content is not available, not just more obscure stuff like Japanese shows.

      Diane Keaton and Richard Gere were in Looking for Mr. Goodbar but it hasn't been released since VHS and that's not the only film that's languished in obscurity.

      They seem to get buried in rights problems, although I'm never quite sure why it remains a problem some 20, 30, or even 40 years or more after the film was released. What kind of rights/income can they be fighting for 40 years later? Many of the people involved are dead and even if they weren't, I don't understand what they're holding out for in terms of compensation -- it's likely to be peanuts.

      And what's really strange is why the digital rental market has so few titles. I get why they wouldn't release DVDs or Blue-Rays of every title, but not distributing them to the on-demand rental market? That's bizarre, it's like asking people to pirate your content.

    5. Re:Availability of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      They don't. I pirate all my anime, but my friends actually have subscriptions to all the services that stream anime. We marathoned what was available at the time (6 episodes) together in-person, and then the next week they asked me where they could keep watching because I was talking about the next episode in our Discord room. After looking into it, I found out that LWA is Netflix-only, and not available until it's done.
       
      Aside from this type of licensing stuff, there are shows that used to be available for streaming that are no longer available because the owners of the rights no longer exist or because agreements lapsed and were never re-signed. It's aggressively difficult to get a hold of some stuff without importing it directly from Japan, and even if you do, there's no subtitles or perhaps the DVD is region-locked and there's no Blu-Ray.
       
      In short, there is no way to get access to certain media without pirating it. This is true for music, too. The greatest loss of what.cd was all the rare albums that are no longer in production, are not available for streaming, and only exist in collections and private databases.

    6. Re:Availability of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You're confused because your thinking on this is that of a normal person, not a businessman.

      MBA: It would cost more money to distribute Mr. Goodbar than I could ever see in return. The movie is worthless in the current market.

      NormalPerson: Since it is worthless to you, can I have it? I'll handle all the distribution costs myself.

      MBA: What is in it for me? I said is it worthless in the current market. Some unforeseeable shift in the marketplace could make it sell-able again and I'll be ready to cash out. In the mean time, the maintenance on this property cost me nothing. This is an asset of mine, and it doesn't help me in any way to give up ownership. Even if it stays worthless until the end of time, making it freely available would cause the market for stupid romantic comedies to be more competitive (which is market where I have made several other investments). Now stop bothering me about some lame old movie and go watch our latest project: Romantic Comedy Formula #62237. It has all the newest movie stars!

    7. Re:Availability of content by Harlequin80 · · Score: 1

      Also the subs are TERRIBLE! I've been watching Kuromukuro on netflix just because its there. And sometimes the subs make me want to vomit. I watch enough that I have picked up broken Japanese and when the subs are not even conveying the basic meaning your know you have problems. That and the white font they use is often invisible against lighter backgrounds.

    8. Re:Availability of content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's not really a rights problem.

      It's they're super super worried $SOMEONEELSE might make a penny on that content. Somehow. Someway.
      And that just CAN NOT HAPPEN.

  8. They're waiting to give you their money! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    But...

    Are you, movie industry, going to take it? Are you man enough to take it? If you build it they will come. Because right now the movie industry's MO seems to be "the more buzz it generates, the more barriers we create to viewing it"

  9. Duh by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    There's nothing on Amazon Prime

  10. People don't tolerate rent-seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

    And despite the summary, it isn't necessarily illegal to pirate in certain countries. Heck, the former USTR maintains a special list of countries you should visit if you wanted to do so.

    1. Re: People don't tolerate rent-seeking by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indeed.

      https://torrentfreak.com/streaming-pirate-content-isnt-illegal-uk-trading-standards-says-170306/

  11. Many people tired but... by evolutionary · · Score: 1

    we discovered that Netflix offering was a subset of the USA offering in Canada. I actually tried to subscribe to the HBO web service in Canada and discovered that I could not get "Game of Thrones" without paying an extortion fee to Bell Canada who has exclusive rights to distribute HBO content which adds an extra $60/month by forcing people to go cable or satellite services.So..I wait for DVD's from the library.

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    1. Re:Many people tired but... by Grishnakh · · Score: 1

      I actually tried to subscribe to the HBO web service in Canada and discovered that I could not get "Game of Thrones" without paying an extortion fee... So..I wait for DVD's from the library.

      Or you could just download it on BitTorrent.

    2. Re:Many people tired but... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I tried as well and yeah, just not enough content to justify it after watching the few things on it I was interested in. What made Netflix appealing during its DVD days, the massive catalog of films to choose from, is not there with the streaming service. If there was something more like Spotify is with music, and the catalog was good worldwide, I could see that taking off and reducing piracy. Right now the content is divided between too many services. Who wants to pay $10+ per month on multiple streaming services just to keep up with one or two shows on each and a back catalog of crappy movies?

    3. Re:Many people tired but... by bgrahambo · · Score: 3, Funny

      So..I wait for DVD's from the library.

      That's code for "I downloaded it on BitTorrent"

  12. Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    This is what happens when you sell a product with $0 distribution cost for > $0 while the people making it are making millions.
    Just imagine for a second that people were 3D printing their own furniture for nothing but the cost of the plastic, and IKEA started bitching about people not buying their stuff.
    It would be absolutely ridiculous, and yet, somehow the media companies have normalized this situation.

    1. Re:Makes sense by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you 3D print furniture, you'd spend a fortune on plastic. IKEA wood stuff is cheaper by far. If you want to pirate IKEA, get a cnc machine that saws & drills & create IKEA-compatible parts from planks. Milling is the opposite of 3D-printing, removing material instead of adding. Waste wood can be burned for heating.

  13. Control Freaks cause piracy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    One of the issues is still the same old story: I want to view something, but the owner refuses to give it to me the way I want.

    Hulu and similar services from individual networks are a good example. Their model is the same as broadcast TV: you get content for "free" for agreeing to watch ads. I have no problem with this arrangement, but for whatever reason they think it benefits them to refuse to provide all their content under that agreement. For example, they only provide the most recent 3-4 episodes of a show, so if I am a new viewer of that show -- or I have not watched for a few weeks -- I have no way to view it (often at any price). So, I don't watch it (and some people pirate it instead).

    And, of course, there is also the region restriction BS that Netflix, et al. still have to deal with. Literally saying to customers "no, I won't sell you this to stream because you live in the wrong country!".

  14. Despite? They're content creators themselves. by m00sh · · Score: 1

    All the services like Netflix and Amazon prime have their exclusive content. They are like different channels on cable TV.

    Netflix long ago stopped being a content store and became a content creator.

    it doesn't make any sense to say despite Neflix because Netflix sells their own content, not make others content easily available.

    1. Re:Despite? They're content creators themselves. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None of that is true. The vast majority of content on Netflix and Amazon is not their own content. They are both, not one or the other.

  15. "Can't stop the signal, Mal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    People wouldn't pirate as much if they weren't getting assraped to watch TV shows, especially when it's something that was broadcast over-the-air in the first place. I'll 'pirate' an episode my DVR somehow missed all I want, and fuck the police, the networks, and all you wankers who whine and cry about it.

    1. Re:"Can't stop the signal, Mal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Stand back Internet, we got a Tough Guy over here

    2. Re:"Can't stop the signal, Mal" by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      FOR YOU.

  16. Most of the world has no access to most shows by ET3D · · Score: 1

    Netflix might have a lot of content is a few countries, but has little content in most countries. The choice ends up being either not to watch or to pirate. There's no real damage to the industry in such cases.

    1. Re:Most of the world has no access to most shows by Baron_Yam · · Score: 1

      >The choice ends up being either not to watch or to pirate. There's no real damage to the industry in such cases.

      Except of course most people who don't pirate (presumably because they don't know how) will simply settle for what's otherwise available.

      You may not recall the 'good old days' of broadcast television pre-On Demand and pre-VCR... but if one of the handful of channels you could get in your area didn't have what you wanted and you didn't feel like doing something other than sit in front of the tube, you would cycle through whatever was on until you found the least objectionable thing.

      Essentially, the industry loses eyeballs when you pirate instead of looking at whatever they've decided to serve to you. (And I'm crying a river for them, obviously...)

    2. Re:Most of the world has no access to most shows by Luthair · · Score: 1

      You're describing pre-cable even from the sounds of it, if it wasn't local or nationally syndicated people didn't even know about it since all their information sources were also local and wouldn't have had access either.

  17. You make your own bed by transami · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The content companies only have themselves to blame, mostly at least. When there is no way to catch up on missed episodes the only choice is pirated or stop watching altogether. Which would they prefer? Beyond that, cable isn't cheap. We pay $100 a month for something that we used to get for free over the air. And most of the world is dirt poor, so if they can't get content for cheap... I'm not exactly poor but I'd never ordinarily pay $1.99 just to watch one episode of one show.

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    1. Re:You make your own bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

      We pay $100 a month for something that we used to get for free over the air.

      Bullshit. What you used to get over the air, you can still get over the air, for free.
      You pay $100 a month because you aren't willing to settle just for what comes over the air, or even the basic cable/satellite package... you decided you wanted even more.

    2. Re:You make your own bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Nope. Since the glorious advent of the miracle that is "digital television" there are more channels available but only 2 or 3 that I can actually tune in now, compared to the close to 20 analog ones I was able to get prior to the digital transition. OTA TV is utter crap now.

    3. Re:You make your own bed by xxxJonBoyxxx · · Score: 1

      >> What you used to get over the air, you can still get over the air, for free.

      Not true. Some of the content you can no longer get over the air includes sporting events and recent movies. Those items have largely moved to cable TV.

    4. Re:You make your own bed by hondo77 · · Score: 1

      When there is no way to catch up on missed episodes the only choice is pirated or stop watching altogether.

      You could always wait for the missed episodes become available. I know, I know, that would involve delayed gratification...

      I'm not exactly poor but I'd never ordinarily pay $1.99 just to watch one episode of one show.

      Ah, so you're just cheap. And the content companies have themselves to blame for that because...?

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    5. Re:You make your own bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Cram it, choad. There is no fucking way you're paying to watch a series @ $2 a pop. Fucking asshole.

    6. Re:You make your own bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could always wait for the missed episodes become available. I know, I know, that would involve delayed gratification...

      Sure, and in the process you end up with more missed episodes, meaning that you will never catch up until a year or so after the show ends. At which point you might as well just stop watching. If the networks want to keep people interested in the episodes as they air, there needs to be a way to catch up on missed episodes. Otherwise, they can kiss ratings and ad rates goodbye.

      Ah, so you're just cheap. And the content companies have themselves to blame for that because...?

      Because they distribute their content through far less expensive media and are competing against others who do the same? Eventually, seasons of the show will be on sale at Target for 2 for $10 on DVD. If your options are to spend $2/episode to stay current or $5/season to stop watching and catch up (ad-free) long after the fact on a show that airs on a non-premium network that comes with most cable packages, they end up in competition not only with other shows but also other times. It only encourages more cord-cutting by removing the incentive to keep up with new shows (though the large number of shows that got terrible and/or canceled after the first season or two already got people moving in that direction).

    7. Re:You make your own bed by _Sharp'r_ · · Score: 1

      Yeah. We have a Netflix subscription, Amazon Prime and an expensive Dishnetwork bundle. You'd think with all that there'd never be a need to stream from anywhere else.... nope. DVR missed some episodes of a TV show a month or more ago and you just now noticed? You can keep recording the new ones, but no way to watch the old ones but to find an "illegal" stream online.

      At some point the video content creators need to figure out that people who've paid for their content at least once just want to be able to consume it how and when it's convenient for them, not have to get the magical time and space incantation correct in order to make sure they don't miss something.

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    8. Re:You make your own bed by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Not true, $100 bucks a month is the cheapest cable/satellite available most parts of the US, there are places where they are still charging $50 a month for dialup.

      Bigger city's sure but not everybody lives in a metro area.

  18. Most of the world? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Most of the world doesn't have access to either of those.

  19. Free Markets? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I used to pay for Netflix until I got rolled up in their massive crack down on VPNs and blocked my house, which had been using the same static IP for years.

    Pirates make a better product and listen to their customers. Netflix used to do that, but now that they've acquired their "market share" they care not for the pseudo-customers paying monthly subscription fees because the lions share of their money and valuation comes from selling their subscriber's view habits. Nothing like paying for the privilege of being a companies product.

  20. Not surprising by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't know about Amazon, but Netflix has very different content (apart from the exclusives/original things of course). As a result the quality of programming of Netflix is very variable

  21. Flawed Study by BenFranske · · Score: 4, Insightful

    This study is so obviously flawed in methodology it's laughable. Clearly this is just a bunch of propaganda. First, if you're surveying people around the world you also need to determine what licensed streaming services the person has access to as not all (or even any) services are available in all countries. Second, you need to consider the differences in the catalogs of licensed services from country to country. Because of antiquated business practices and agreements the catalog of Netflix (for example) varies greatly from place to place. In most places it's much worse than the US, which isn't even that great. Third, the study makes the assumption that simply viewing pirated content is in fact illegal (and they report about this with a leading statement, Did not know that simply watching....). While this may be true in some regions globally there is certainly some disagreement about whether only distribution is unlawful or whether consumption is also unlawful. This really smells like media industry propaganda to me.

    1. Re:Flawed Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Agreed ... this is fairly fishy. In Canada it's not clear that watching streams from unauthorized sources is in fact illegal. In fact it is in all probability legal but there has yet to be a case to test it. See https://www.thestar.com/business/2015/01/16/how-canadian-law-views-online-streaming-video-geist.html

    2. Re:Flawed Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The summary makes it (unintentionally) clear that the study was sponsored and the questions dictated by Big Content. And the summary itself seems to have been written by the MPAA's press office. ("... far fewer people are aware that streaming or downloading is also against the law" - really? "Aware" implying that this is an undisputed fact, which is bullshit - there are places where this is explicitly allowed, and there are services, e.g. Netflix, that make it legal even where the process itself isn't.)

    3. Re:Flawed Study by Zemran · · Score: 1

      It is extremely flawed. In the US downloading may be illegal but in most countries it is a civil offence. You may be sued but not arrested. Where I live there is no choice. There are no DVD shops for rental or purchase. There is no cable. As a US citizen you assume that I can buy something through the post because you lack the experience to imagine what life is like in the rest of the world. I do not have an address. The post office will steal anything of value. One thing they will not do is deliver it even if I had an address. This is before we get into price to someone earning $150 a month. The only viable choice is download. As many have pointed out, Netflix etc. have seriously reduced catalogues in other countries but they also do not work. If you try to stream a movie in Asia it will appear in lumps. It is far better to download the torrent and watch it.

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    4. Re:Flawed Study by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In addition, this part seems to have been fed to respondents as an indisputable fact:

      the damaging effects of piracy on the media industry

      *alleged* damaging effects

    5. Re:Flawed Study by RivenAleem · · Score: 1

      https://www.youtube.com/watch?...

      I'd like to see the actual questions used to compile this survey. "Have you pirated any movies or TV in the last 12 months" is a different question to "Is illegal downloading or streaming of TV shows and Movies your primary method of watching them?"

      I have a Netflix sub and a Google Play sub, I also pay a TV license. I still download shows that I can't get through legal channels, because I feel I've done my best to obtain them legally.

  22. Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Informative

    Get the Amazon cash rewards Visa. Use it for everything but pay off the balance monthly to avoid fees. That 1% to 3% cash back more than pays off the $100 prime membership. All in all I get about $600 per year using cash back cards and no service fees.

    1. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And now, as an Amazon Prime member, the cash back for Amazon purchases has gone from 3% to 5%, furthering the whole "it pays for itself" thing.

    2. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It only pays for itself if you spend more than $2,500 per year at Amazon, assuming that you already get at least 1% back on your non-Amazon card. Otherwise, you're coming out behind where you would be without an Amazon credit card and Prime membership. Remember, the alternative isn't getting no cash back, it's getting the same 1-3% back on a different card or even the same amount on an Amazon card without Prime. Once you compare the relevant alternatives, the only variables left in play are the cost of Prime membership and the increase in cash back on Amazon purchases with Prime membership and the Amazon card. If you get 3% back on Amazon purchases with the Amazon card but without Prime and 5% with Prime, then it takes $5,000 in annual Amazon purchases to earn enough additional rewards to make up the $100 Prime membership fee.

    3. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Did you not see "Use it for everything"? I pay all my bills with it, groceries, gas, and even used it for a down payment on a new car.

    4. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That's great, but you can do that with any card without paying for Prime membership, so it isn't applicable. The cash back you're getting on those purchases is exactly the same as what you would get without Prime. Prime isn't paying for itself if it isn't what is getting you the cash back. By your logic, Prime pays for itself when I get free car washes with an oil change. Hell, by your logic, I'm doing a better job of working the system by not paying for Prime!

    5. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Some people just don't get it. I have 4 cash back credit cards and haven't paid a cent in finance charges in almost 20 years. So... go ahead and use cash or checks and miss out on free money.

    6. Re:Work the system... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      If you get 3% back on Amazon purchases with the Amazon card but without Prime and 5% with Prime, then it takes $5,000 in annual Amazon purchases to earn enough additional rewards to make up the $100 Prime membership fee.

      Yep. I spent just over $5,000 last year at Amazon (my highest year on record). I've never paid full price for Prime, always waiting for some sort of deal. This year when it comes up for renewal, I'll let it renew at full price for the first time ever. Essentially free if my spending remains the same, and heavily discounted even if I spend less. The sum total of the benefits are worth whatever it may work out to be in the end.

  23. Why I pirate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Easy, I am in Québec and want to watch Walking Dead in French? Nope, AMC seems to have refused to sale the rights to French Canadian TV, so I wait for it to be showned in France/Belgium/whatever and torrent it.
    Best comedy serie ever? Married With Children of course, cannot find it in French in Canada, even in DVDs, so torrent it goes.
    Repeat for a lot of things dubbed in French and unavailable by any legal meaning in Canada.

    1. Re:Why I pirate? by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 2

      What's baffling is the lack of french dubbed content on Netflix Canada. According to 2011 statistics, english is used by 58% of the population and french by 22%. So take the smaller-than-USA catalog, put only maybe 10% of it dubbed in french (most of the time there's not even french subtitles either) and that means Netflix Canada are losing at least 20% of potential customers.

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    2. Re:Why I pirate? by minogully · · Score: 1

      For someone who seems to only want to watch shows in French, your English is quite good. In fact it's flawless as far as I can tell.

      If you can speak/understand the original language of the show, why would you want to watch it in another language and risk aspects of the content getting lost through translation?

    3. Re: Why I pirate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Because they're French.

    4. Re:Why I pirate? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Non-francophone Canadian here:
      As far as the rest of us can tell, to keep thinking that they're special on this oh-so-Anglophone continent.
      Well, either that or he's one of the few benefiting enormously from the rampant corruption in Quebec's public and private sectors.

  24. Culture wants to be echoed, and be free by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    that's the signal given to the content-creators. The question is when they'll pick it up and simply accept that a smaller number of people will pay for a larger number of viewers, rather than people "stealing" their content.

  25. Go ahead MPAA...convey your "damage" by geekmux · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "48 (percent) said they would stop, or watch less illegal content after they were told about the damaging effects of piracy on the media industry."

    As movies continue to smash box office earnings records, and leading movie stars continue to justify obscene paychecks, I'd love to know how the MPAA is going to convey those "damaging" effects.

    Sure as shit doesn't seem like they're hurting, especially in the face of what appears to be rampant piracy.

    1. Re:Go ahead MPAA...convey your "damage" by DontBeAMoran · · Score: 3, Funny

      What's annoying is those messages at the end of the credits, such as "This movie was produced with 15,000 people" and such.

      What they will never write is "This movie was produced with 15,000 people and the three main actors got 95% of the money."

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    2. Re:Go ahead MPAA...convey your "damage" by TimothyHollins · · Score: 1

      Dude, Tom Cruise could only afford a *single* goldplated shark tank this month!

    3. Re:Go ahead MPAA...convey your "damage" by Tom · · Score: 1

      Unfortunately, it is the big stars that pull the crowds, so if the movie industry hurts, they will be the last to feel the pressure. The paychecks of regular workers will be cut first, as always.

      If people would stop to ideolize people whose job is basically to stand in a place and deliver a few words of pre-written dialog, and instead focus on the guys who write the script, setup up the beautiful locations, create the props and costumes, etc. etc.

      But of course that's as crazy as expecting that we'd actually admire the designers and engineers instead of the CEO...

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  26. And whose fault is that? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'll tell you, it's DMCA assclowns and the fact that no one asked me or anyone else if they wanted to pay 3-5x more for netflix to get EXACTLY the content I want and none of the crap I don't. So now, I find myself paying for the 2 past years of netflix while spending MORE TIME flipping through their garbage content instead of watching actual content. Then they mete out an occasional kimmy schmidt where I binge-watch and then it's back to being absolutely tired of NAZI content, Social justice garb, stupid documentaries of obscure things that ought not have ever been made, low quality child content, b lister anime, and a proliferation of WAR/POLICE/INTELLIGENCE lionizing state sponsored propaganda content.

    Netflix basically has become CABLE now, as the dominators have infiltrated their way into Netflix (and Amazon), giving us pernicious propaganda like "White Helmets" which--if you have any clue whatseover about what's actually happening and how WH relates to the film "The Whistleblower" with Rachel Weisz, then you'll know it's a total fraud and that it's evil state propaganda. Lionizing a group that's selling war orphans as child brides to Saudi 20 somethings to be raped.

    So yes, we pirate stuff. It's their fault. F them. We'll continue until you get a new model where we can pay only what we use, and that it's fair and not extortionary or abusive, or tries to continue to sneak advertising into it, either in the content itself (product placement), subliminally (billboards in content), or by some other abusive method.

    We're not cheapskates. We told HBO for example we wanted to pay for each episode of game of thrones; they didn't listen until this year; that's 5+ yrs they've missed out on our money.

    Who's fault is that??

  27. Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    The content just isn't there! Same for Netflix. It only has half of what anyone wants to see.

    So, people go where the content is. That's all.

    1. Re: Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      You forgot... Free

    2. Re:Indeed. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That is the weird part of these streaming services, and it's on purpose...

      Netflix will have roughly 50% of what you like to watch... Hulu will have roughly 50% of what you like to watch... AmazonPrime will have roughly 50% of what you like to watch... Sling will have roughly 50% of what you like to watch...

      And yet, even if you subscribe to all the above services, you still find yourself missing 25% of what you want to watch. A new form of Hollywood math?

    3. Re: Indeed. by gravewax · · Score: 1

      Free while I am sure factors in it for a lot, there is also a shitload of us who would happily pay for access to a large legal library, using TPB etc is a convenience because I refuse to hunt from service to service to find what I want. hell Netflix could more than double the charge and I would pay for it if they provided an extensive library that wasn't region restricted.

    4. Re:Indeed. by Boronx · · Score: 1

      If third party content is available on Neflix, it should also be available on Amazon, the same way music can be played by any radio station that's willing to pay the royalties.

  28. Non-negotiable items by rtkluttz · · Score: 2

    I have sincerely tried to be legal. I bought HDHomeruns and cable cards so I could consume media in my linux environment legally on a DVR that has capability that is important to me and storage that lets me keep it as long as I want. But the cable co's are now encrypting to make cable on all but a few channels making it impossible for me to view on the platform of my choice. They are using encryption as a way to force you into a rental scenario. As for online streaming, I don't have fast enough internet to stream. I wouldn't even if I could. I will download on linux and view using the player of my choice or I'll work around the artificial crippling.

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    1. Re:Non-negotiable items by Obfuscant · · Score: 0

      But the cable co's are now encrypting to make cable on all but a few channels making it impossible for me to view on the platform of my choice.

      The reason for the cableCard you claim you have more than one of is to do the decryption of content. If your cableCard isn't decrypting the content you are paying for, it is broken. Call the cable company and get it fixed.

      I have an HDHomeRun with a cable card, and VLC talks to it just great on Linux. At the point it hits the net it is unencrypted and ready for many different viewing programs. I've even got a DLNA (IIRC) app on one of my Android tablets that can view the content from the HDHR.

    2. Re:Non-negotiable items by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      That all sounds like a lot of complex time wasting work compared to just pirating it...

    3. Re:Non-negotiable items by Voyager529 · · Score: 1

      But the cable co's are now encrypting to make cable on all but a few channels making it impossible for me to view on the platform of my choice.

      The reason for the cableCard you claim you have more than one of is to do the decryption of content. If your cableCard isn't decrypting the content you are paying for, it is broken. Call the cable company and get it fixed.

      I have an HDHomeRun with a cable card, and VLC talks to it just great on Linux. At the point it hits the net it is unencrypted and ready for many different viewing programs. I've even got a DLNA (IIRC) app on one of my Android tablets that can view the content from the HDHR.

      Fellow HDHomeRun owner here. It was my hope that your description would be the case. I initially made my setup with Mythbuntu, and then I learned about the CopyOnce flag. The use of the CopyOnce flag is prohibited on the broadcast channels, but on actual-cable channels (not even HBO/Showtime/Starz), it's up to the cable company as to whether they want to use it. My cable company (Altice, formerly Cablevision) sets that flag on all their non-broadcast HD channels, and over half of the SD ones, not including premium channels. It worked for the two dozen or so channels that didn't have the flag, as did VLC, but virtually every non-network show I wanted to watch was on a C1 channel. Mythbuntu can't use signals with the CopyOnce flag, and it never will because of the licensing requirements (no one is giving the decryption methods to an OSS project). and neither can the bundled SiliconDust software or mobile apps, meaning that my only option was Windows Media Center. This was amusing, as in my 4-5 calls to activate my CableCard, none of the reps I spoke with had ever spoken with someone using Windows Media Center and I had to describe it to them a bit.

      Win7 worked for a month until it didn't and wouldn't start working again (bizarrely, even after a machine format), leaving me to spend a weekend hacking WMC into Windows 10 on my DVR. It's definitely off the beaten path, but it works. Hopefully the new SiliconDust DVR software won't suck, because I have a gut feeling my setup will only work until Win7 support ends.

      So, tl;dr, the GP can absolutely be right in that his CableCard is decrypting the stream properly, but the broadcast flags are prohibiting him from using an OSS application.

    4. Re:Non-negotiable items by Sloppy · · Score: 1

      I have an HDHomeRun with a cable card, and VLC talks to it just great on Linux.

      When did this happen?! (I fear I'm probably misinterpreting your comment.)

      I have one of the older non-CableCard HDHomeRuns and it worked great for a while.. but ClearQAM gradually phased out so that CableCard was the only option that could receive everything you pay for. At the time the CableCard version of HDHomeRun came out, it was not interoperable with whatever software you wanted; you had to use Microsoft's whatever-it's-called or else "fuck you, fucking customer, we don't want your fucking money, you fucking fuckity fuckfuck." (I paraphrase the lack of API.)

      Did they really later open it up so that it works? (You're not going to tell me this is really a VLC-specific proprietary blob thing, I hope.)

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    5. Re:Non-negotiable items by Obfuscant · · Score: 1

      When did this happen?!

      As recently as last night. As long ago as VLC 1.1.13. I think it has a build date in 2012.

      but ClearQAM gradually phased out so that CableCard was the only option that could receive everything you pay for.

      Yes. the cableCard is what decrypts the channels that are now encrypted.

      (I paraphrase the lack of API.)

      Given that SD gave out for free a program to view programs from the HDHomeRun, I think your's is a very poor paraphrase.

      Did they really later open it up so that it works?

      Is this a "have you stopped beating your wife yet" kind of question? I know of no "later"; it has worked all along where I am. What has changed is that the HD Quick View program has bloated to the point that it can no longer decode the MPEG video stream in real time, choosing instead to worry about things like getting images of the current content on channels from some web server somewhere and showing progress bars for EVERY channel. The old one simply showed a list of available channels it got from the device, now it's a program guide and helpful image display along with a non-functional video viewer.

  29. Bad numbers by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm pretty sure piracy is much lower now, without historical data of the same questions those numbers are just plan sh**t, and this is just s**ty lobby.

  30. I stopped watching pirated videos ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... now I have a lot more free time and the studios still aren't getting any more money from me.

  31. That's because by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Services like Netflix show past seasons (unless it is something the Netflix directly produced). Most people want to want the current on-going season.

  32. Think of the children! by irrational_design · · Score: 4, Funny

    "damaging effects of piracy on the media industry"

    1. I believe children are damaged by the media industry.
    2. Therefore the media industry needs to go away.
    3. Piracy has a damaging effect on the media industry.
    4. I pirate media content because it is my moral obligation to damage the media industry - for the children.

    Well, that should totally hold up in court.

    1. Re:Think of the children! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Maybe get Jack Thompson to represent you on that one... You can't lose!

  33. When something isn't available in your country... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    you don't have much choice other than piracy... other than importing which cost 10x what the product is actually worth. And illegal in some cases.

  34. There MAY have been a survey, by jenningsthecat · · Score: 5, Insightful

    but they didn't provide ANY indication of the exact questions asked, how they chose potential respondents, how they rejected potential respondents, how many results they threw away and under what criteria - you know, any of the important stuff that would allow the reader to actually evaluate whether or not the conclusions drawn have even a chance of reflecting the real state of affairs. The 'article' is a blatant, crude, substanceless, hit-and-run propaganda piece, and any thinking person should either take its conclusions with a whole cupful of salt, or dismiss them out of hand.

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    1. Re:There MAY have been a survey, by davecb · · Score: 3, Informative

      We call this a "push" survey. It usually ends with a question like "now that you know X, will you do Y?"

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  35. People prefer Legal by Oswald+McWeany · · Score: 1

    If you give people a reasonable alternative to piracy I'd like to believe they would take it. Hulu, Netflix, and Amazon between them scratch my TV needs, although, with further fragmentation of the streaming market, I'm seriously considering reviewing the situation. I can't pay for EVERY channel that fragments off and wants its own subscriber base.

    When it comes to sport- I have to stream from grey-area sources. I'm sorry, I'm not paying for cable just to have sports- nor am I paying $60 a year just to watch Premier League games. Come out with a reasonable price alternative and I'll pay. Charge me $15 to watch online- and I will pay for your service- ask ridiculous amounts and I won't.

    I'd really like Netflix to show sports but they're always claiming consumers don't want to be able to watch sports and turn away when consumers scream back "YES WE DO". I don't even care if there is a several hour delay of a live event. I can resist checking for updates on my phone that long.

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    1. Re:People prefer Legal by Ayanami_R · · Score: 1

      I really don't think so, if it's easy enough to steal, with a practically 0% chance of getting caught for said theft, people will do it.

      It does hurt the industry as well, why do you think so many develpers are are wary of PC gaming, piracy. So someone like me who does not steal, is denied access to stuff because of the people that are stealing. It sucks.

      --
      "Science is the power of man"
    2. Re: People prefer Legal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Try $150 for a season of NHL and then discover half your favorite teams are unavailable because NBCSN or NHL Channel decided to broadcast the game, nevermind your local cable provider doesn't carry either one. Sure I use grey market sources and don't feel bad about it.

  36. Piracy kills mainstream media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    I see that mainstream media has gone completely bankrupt in the last decade as "piracy" has increased.

    I miss watching films and TV and now that piracy has taken over there just is no new TV, music or movies anymore. Same with books, since ebook piracy became a thing NO ONE has written, published or bought a book in years.

    All media is now completely dead.

    Thanks pirates!

    1. Re:Piracy kills mainstream media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And all you people running ad blockers are LITERALLY stealing the internet from the rest of us.

      Not one person has made money from the internet in like, years now thanks to you adblockers.

    2. Re: Piracy kills mainstream media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Great! When these trash websites go away and quality contebt returns I will be happy.

    3. Re:Piracy kills mainstream media by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And if some parts of the internet DIES due to adblockers, good riddance! The internet was good enough for me before ads. I still use the internet without ads. If someone depends on ads, their problem not mine. If you don't like that, send some money to those who publish the ads I never see. You can keep them alive, if you, unlike me, care about them.

      A business model that depends on me watching ads, is doomed to fail. For I refuse.

  37. Gimme all of the content by SpaghettiPattern · · Score: 1

    Tried Netflix and Prime. You expect to get anything and everything. But instead you get one decent show, a load of old movies you've already seen.

    Suddenly the most important thing is to remember to terminate subscription.

    Let me put it this way. I can only watch so much content. There's more content around than I'll ever watch. If I'll be allowed to choose out of everything then I'll come back.

    I think I might speak for one or two more.

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    I hadn't the slightest objection to his spending his time planning massacres for the bourgeoisie... (P.G. Wodehouse)
    1. Re:Gimme all of the content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Tried Netflix and Prime. You expect to get anything and everything. But instead you get one decent show, a load of old movies you've already seen.

      Pay TV! Gilligan's Island. Rugby. Gilligan's Island again. BFW!

        - This Is Serious Mum, "Big Fucking Whoopee"

  38. Well - it is Free & Easy by ripvlan · · Score: 1

    Aside from not having "good" content on Netflix/Amazon/iTunes etc (aka be an appealing product) --- watching Pirated content fills the "Now" and "Cheap"

    I know multiple people who watch pirated content -- and Own a copy too -- only because the mechanism to watch said content is easier via the pirate tools. One person wants to watch on his phone when traveling (or some mobile device for the kids in the backseat) - but the copy he purchased on iTunes/Amazon can't be loaded onto said device. But the device will play other formats that can be downloaded off the web.

    And then there are those who are too cheap to pay $10 a month for the streaming services (or sum of iTunes purchases / 12 months). Free is always a good price - plus you can watch movies that aren't available on the streaming services.

  39. what by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where does it say that downloading pirated content is illegal?
    Is this a contributory infringement theory?
    I live in the unitrd states. Curious where the law is that suggests downloading without redistributing is illegal. I want a citation to US code.

  40. That's me in the corner by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's me in the spotlight stealing your content.

    I pay a monthly fee for netflix Canada. I do not use proxies or a VPN to bypass the restrictions. I am ok for the most part with their content.

    I still use kodi as my PRIMARY source of media as there's no restrictions and I can find playlists for addons like 1channel that simply are not an option on netflix. And I'm able to get tv shows the night they air or the morning after, not 6 months later

    But the #1 reason I'm still pirating while also paying for netflix?

    "Are you still watching?" That's fucking annoying as fuck, some shows it's like once a season, others it's every 3 episodes. Fuck off netflix I want to blast through an entire season while I'm working around the house or something, my pirate box isn't so needy as to constantly ask "are you there? do you still love me?"

  41. What damaging effects? by Simulant · · Score: 1

    Seriously. There's more content than ever. We could use a culling mechanism, IMO, but piracy doesn't seem to be it.

    Now let's talk about the damaging effects of making sharing a crime.

    1. Re: What damaging effects? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      i know right. imagine watching a dvd with friends you just facilitated their pirating.

  42. Piracy is often due to geo restrictions by raynet · · Score: 1

    I live in Finland and have tested all streaming services available here. Checked the scifi movies section on all of them and results were poor: HBO Nordic 5 movies, Viasat 13 movies and CMore 28. Netflix had similar selection. And most of the movies were old, some so old that they were shown on TV. Selection on TV series was slightly better, but still I had watched all interesting shows during the first free month all these services offered. And I only watched 1-2 hours every now and then.

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    1. Re:Piracy is often due to geo restrictions by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      this is also a good Point. You end up having to subscribe to different providers with "package" prices when you only actuallý want one series here, some Movie there. These companies can go fuck themselves until they all start to offer a reasonably priced, timely option on an "as you want" basis without being tied in to a specific package deal.

  43. what do you expect? by Khashishi · · Score: 2

    Most people around the world are poor, and they probably can't afford legitimate access to US video programming. Hollywood should be happy that foreigners are pirating their movies. It helps keep down competition from places like Bollywood. America benefits from exporting its culture abroad.

  44. Pirated is faster to download by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm a subscriber (just because it's cheap, and sometimes use on the tablet) and illegally download even Netflix content. It's great to have always 1080p from the go with no delays.
    The day my ISP stop the traffic shaping I may change.

  45. It's been said before... by grasshoppa · · Score: 2

    ...but I'm going to say it again: Convenience, convenience, convenience. The market always corrects when you try to impose artificial supply constraints, especially when demand is high.

    You'd think people would have learned from watching the music industry go through it's "head in the sand" phase.

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  46. Speed trap by AnotherBlackHat · · Score: 1

    If last year I watched a hundred pirated videos, and this year I watched two, this survey would say I still watch pirated video.

    And the list of people who think streaming pirate content isn't illegal would seem to include the UK trading standards - https://yro.slashdot.org/story/17/03/06/1958209/streaming-pirate-content-isnt-illegal-uk-trading-standards-says

    This survey is a streaming pile.

    1. Re:Speed trap by sheramil · · Score: 1

      This survey is a streaming pile.

      streaming, huh? that means if i try to take the survey, i'll be told "This content is not available in your region."

      i wonder if i can torrent it?

  47. So... the US really is only a blip on this survey by gosand · · Score: 1

    Looks like maybe providers need to make the content available to those countries who are watching that "pirated" content.

    It really seems to me that this is more about content not being available, so people find ways to get it. While Netflix/Amazon may be available in some of those countries, do they get the full list of shows/movies, or just a pittance? I know it is likely due to copyright law restrictions, but that should serve as a wake up call that those restrictions are not helping the copyright holders.

    They sure threw the word pirate around a lot in the article. It would be interesting to see a definition of what they call "pirated".

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    My beliefs do not require that you agree with them.

  48. I turned my back on Netflix by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...the same day they implemented geoblocking and I could no longer stream from my US based VPS. I had a choice: either engage in a game of cat and mouse or return to the convenient method that I knew just works. Netflix doesn't miss me, even if their annoying emails suggest otherwise.

    Torrents of Netflix shows are available within literally minutes of their release, hours at most. It's a similar story for Amazon Prime. However, where watching TV shows this way really shines is getting commercial free versions of network shows. While having to skip through commercials can be described as a first world problem, it's hard to go back to having to even acknowledge that commercials exist after you've not had to deal with them for a few years.

    The bottom line for me is that ease and convenience wins out, and that the more you try to tell me how I can and can't do something, the more likely I am to tell you to piss off.

  49. Despite Netflix and Amazon? by gravewax · · Score: 1

    Despite Netflix and Amazon? They operate more and more the same way the rest of the industry operates, Netflix locks down content by region giving many regions only a tiny library and I am sure Amazon would do the same if they actually had a decent service to lock down. Those 2 have the abilities to lead the way and Netflix for a while even seemed to be trying but now they are just part of the problem.

  50. cost vs income? by JustNiz · · Score: 2

    I'm guessing thats really because most of the people of the world still don't live in first-world countries with significant disposable income and high-bandwidth internet.

  51. Dear TechinAsia by nehumanuscrede · · Score: 2

    If folks have to resort to pulling content from frowned upon channels, Big Media has only themselves to blame.

    While Netflix, Hulu, Amazon and the like are cheap enough, the quality and lack of shows available to stream across them reflects their price. I cannot tell you how many times I've searched for a show I was interested in watching on Netflix, only to find out that it isn't available in the streaming catalog. I can't tell you how many times I've found a series I would like to watch, only to find out it's Season 3 and the first two seasons aren't there anymore :|

    When the MPAA / RIAA pull their heads out of their ass and realize the following:

    1) Make the content available across all platforms, not this exclusive bullshit we have now
    2) Make it reasonably priced, WITHOUT ADS ( don't f*ck this up, you'll sink the whole damn ship )
    3) Get rid of the GD geo-blocks. We don't need YOU telling us what YOU think WE should watch.

    You'll likely find the number of folks who resort to the Yarr-Matey versions will drop significantly and instead of bitching about the " Pirate Problem ", you can instead focus on your real issue.

    That being the creation of quality content that folks actually want to watch.

    1. Re:Dear TechinAsia by Rande · · Score: 1

      They've told you time and time again that there's NO DEMAND for such services and they wish people would STOP ASKING all the damn time!

    2. Re:Dear TechinAsia by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      3) Get rid of the GD geo-blocks. We don't need YOU telling us what YOU think WE should watch.

      Geo-blocks are not entirely the fault of the provider. For instance, in Canada, we have the lovely CRTC and their antiquated rules to thank.

    3. Re:Dear TechinAsia by arzach95 · · Score: 1

      You are absolutely right , just the geo-blocks alone are enough reason , I pay Prime but my money is not as good as someone in the US and I can't watch the video content, same money same service I think that is called fair trade. Most of the piracy problem is created by themselves, and it's true that there always be people that pirates for other reasons that could be considered "more illegal" like copying material for sale, but I think piracy overall would be considerably reduced if those restrictions mentioned above are lifted.

  52. They're paid enough by Miamicoastguard · · Score: 0

    Actors and musicians don't need any more of my money. They have a lot more wealth than me, they aren't engineers, they don't contribute to any breakthroughs which would advance the species (usually quite the opposite) and ironically they continue to mouth off to anyone who'll listen about diversity. Well piracy is my way of helping with their diversity problems.

  53. Streamed vs Local content by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    1. No advertising interruptions (during the middle of the content, before/after might be fine).
    2. Intuitive user interface for both viewing and administration of content
    3. Access groups for family members (kids can't access R-Rated content)
    4. Media format of my choice including converters (for future compatibility)
    5. Encode/Transcode quality of my choice
    6. Availability away from home with secure login
    7. No billing schedule that will remove access to content. Once yours it's yours for life.
    8. Personalization of title ratings, favorites, and suggestions.
    9. Integrated weather and RSS apps of my choice
    10. Ability to group any content together (episodes or movie series)
    11. Playlists that can be put on repeat (cue up 1000 movies to play in a row)
    12. Coming Soon movie trailers can be played prior to any movie viewed as an option. Some people like this, some don't.

    The movie and music industry needs something like Steam. Something they can all agree on as 1 platform. Studios are so greedy they all want their own individual platforms which is very inconvenient to users, that's why users are rejecting them. All they have to do is come together, agree on a platform, and make it work in the way described above and they'll have the platform consumers have been asking for, for the past decade or two. Media industry is so far behind the times. They need talented programmers and web developers more than their next big budget movie to make this happen.

  54. Nailed it. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    The movie industry leaders made a collective decision to retain control over the distribution of their digital products. They saw what happened to the music industry as a loss of control. Your "excellent product" is precisely what they despise.

    In the short term, there is absolutely no plan in place to rectify this. No video-content producer wants to be beholden to free-market impacts on price. They absolutely don't want to accept the terms of someone else's video streaming service. They abhor the thought of a netflix monopoly on streaming, and how little negotiation leverage it means they will have. They will not abide ANY of this.

    So instead they will expend tremendous amounts of money in the completely vain attempt at enforcing technically-misguided laws that attempt to maintain control of digital distribution and consumption. They will create a lot of noise and pain, but will accomplish nothing else.

  55. Subtitles by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    My wife regularly watches streamed movies from foreign websites. The reason is simple. She's Romanian and even though I'm a prime member she can't find anywhere to legally watch movies with Romanian subtitles.

    This simply comes back to not offering any legal alternatives to watching pirated content.

  56. Reality of the Situation by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It's not really about pirating...

    It's really all about financing. This is an issue about who pays to have content made. In order for your favorite show on cable or TV to be made someone has to pony up the cash to make it. This is done by pre-selling the content to distributors who in turn get an exclusive license to distribute the show and package advertising or a paid platform around it. Pirating circumvents this financing model by stealing the exclusive rights away from the distributor who is in a roundabout way financing the development and production of the content.
    It's actually kinda funny.... the more people pirate the less the distributors can afford to pay, so lower and lower quality content is produced.
    Restricting access is part and parcel of getting a show made. If you want DRM free content and the ability to play it on any of your devices then a method to finance content directly needs to be implemented. People don't make TV shows for the love of it, producers make TV to get paid. Producers couldn't give a toss who's paying them as long as they make their money. So, if you want to cut out the middle man between you and your fav show then you should work on a platform that can actually crowdfund on an industrial scale production financing for shows you want to watch. Nothing is free.

  57. As I read this... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I'm listening to a (pirated? paid for by ads I'm blocking?) Youtube stream of The Who's classic album Who's Next, which I also own on vinyl. It's just easier to listen to it this way when I'm at my computer. This is what we were promised more than 20 years ago when those TV ads about "The Information Superhighway" ran.

    Not an endless money and content grab by a few big corporations.

  58. i think by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    when good services no flash and full repository are available and no region blocks pirating will go down. people do not want a bunch of sites to go too either thats what was greate about hulu back in the day there are other reasons its ok but not greate today. a drm html5 will be able to get content out far better with how people feel they need to protect their media.

  59. DRM by smccurry · · Score: 2

    I won't buy DRM shows at any price. I want to manage my shows in the player of my choice and I don't want to worry about losing access. I've been burned on this before when I bought a show to watch at the airport and lost access to it when I left the country. At 1.99 a pop I'd pay for a few worthwhile things, and 99 cents I'd be willing to buy a lot. But with DRM? Not a penny.

  60. "Despite Netflix" ? by thegarbz · · Score: 2

    I'm struggling with how this is "despite" Netflix. These days I'm saying it's more because of Netflix. When Netflix started it was promising an alternative to the video rental model. Easy, online, full of popular content, right at your door. When they moved to streaming it was revolutionary, all the latest and greatest and a huge back catalogue giving the middle finger cable providers.

    Now?

    Now I struggle to see how Netflix is any different than owning cable. They mostly fill up their catalogue with their own self made content, content from others is sparse, content is not first to arrive on Netflix unless it's exclusive, and outside the USA let me just say the content is utter garbage. How garbage? Look for Australian TV shows in the USA, and then try and find the same shows on the Australian Netflix. Yes even the local content is harder to get locally on Netflix compared to the USA.

    So when people say despite Netflix people all over the world are pirating, I would say they would first need to put a bit of effort in before qualifying for the word "despite".

    1. Re:"Despite Netflix" ? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "Yes even the local content is harder to get locally on Netflix compared to the USA."

      That doesn't even surprise me. I'm not defending it, I think it's utter BS, but it's probably because there are existing licenses to broadcast that stuff in Australia (since it was made by and for that market) but not in other parts of the world ... so Netflix can license it for the USA market but they can't because someone locally already has an exclusive license. This is precisely why the old model needs to die a quick and swift death in the digital age.

    2. Re:"Despite Netflix" ? by captaincity · · Score: 1

      Amen to that, Netflix is like going to your friend's house and finding a couple of shelves of his favorite movies ( a very bad collection for the most part ) - with all the garbage out there, I m not looking to limit myself even further. Its bewildering to see netflix this successful in 2017 when they can just stream any content they want, legally and for free!

    3. Re:"Despite Netflix" ? by Rande · · Score: 1

      Yup. I remember when they serviced the 'long tail' and I could find series from a couple of decades ago that I could nostalgia watch.
      Now I wonder if they have more than 2000 titles at any one time.

  61. This + Plex.tv by waspleg · · Score: 2

    Make your own streaming service for free.

    1. Re: This + Plex.tv by thundercattt · · Score: 1

      Mediatomb ftw!

  62. myth that viewing pirated content=illegal by JustNiz · · Score: 1

    At least In the EU its legal to stream pirated content.
    http://www.digital-digest.com/...

    1. Re:myth that viewing pirated content=illegal by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Also it's a myth to think that streaming content means you don't own or didn't pay for the content originally.
      Nor does it account for the fact that streaming/downloading content is the same as stealing. The downloader/streamer may have no intention of ever paying for the content regardless of price and might perhaps just never watch the content at all if payment was the only option.

  63. What percentage of viewed content is pirated? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I think a MUCH more interesting number would be what percentage of a person's media consumption is of pirated content vs. legally streamed content? Of course, that means they'd need to have performed this same quiz before the acceptance of Netflix streaming to compare it to.

    I have to say, since signing up for Netflix in 2009, my pirated content has been dropping steadily year over year. Right now, it's probably down 75% from what it was in 2009. The 25% that remains are current run TV shows that Netflix got me hooked on, but left me with blue balls by being 3 seasons behind what's currently airing. And once I get that flexget routine going for a show, it becomes just as easy to watch it when it magically shows up in Plex as it is to use Netflix, since I have a Chromecast on every TV in the house.

  64. 48 sounds about right by lusid1 · · Score: 1

    48 out of the 25000 surveyed in TFA.

  65. Why pirated content? by ElizabethGreene · · Score: 1

    Here is why people choose pirated content:

    "Every movie you've ever searched for" is unavailable to stream. This title is available on Netflix DVD.
    -and-
    You can stream this, but we have non-skippable commercials poorly cut in and if you pause or seek it the episode will restart. Also, we use dumb buffering, so that every commercial causes the buffer to flush and you'll end up watching most of the video at 180p, not 1080p, quality.

    1. Re:Why pirated content? by sabbede · · Score: 1

      Or it's not even available through Netflix DVD, only on "not your region" DVD for an exorbitant price.

  66. prime is for shipping by sdinfoserv · · Score: 1

    I have amazon prime for shipping. I have relatives that live all over the US and it's very handy, as well as one day shipping when i need something (it's available in my area). the problem with Netflix remains content owners. Studios, lawyers and ISP's are trying to rob the last dollar from the American consumer (with the blessing Lord Trump) all the while the really good and NEW content is available for streaming in Foreign countries. There's zero reason foreign subscribers should have better content for the same service other than greed. And it's only going to get worse, much worse if the current Administration has they're way.

  67. Poor industry by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ... effects of piracy on the media industry ...

    If the media industry can enforce and sell per-country monopolies for its catalog, it's not suffering noticeable or significant damage. BTW, those monopolies, which are usually realized as bundled subscriptions (eg. Foxtel, NetFlix) delivering 90% drek, become cheaper to enforce every decade because the media industry socializes more of the cost to the domestic government.

  68. Pirates have way better files by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Duh? Pirates use standards, so their stuff works. Netflix and Amazon still require special software/devices. As long as Netflix and Amazon go to all that extra trouble to tell would-be customers to go fuck themselves, it shouldn't be a surprise that so many people opt for easier/less-hassley and more reliable methods.

  69. Pirate Shows! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    still watch pirated movies and TV shows

    Like Pirates of The Caribbean or Pirates of Silicon Valley? Or are you just repeating MPAA/RIAA argument framing language?

  70. Too late to the party by baker_tony · · Score: 1

    I believe that most people have found that pirated content is high quality and no ads, plus all those RSS feeds have been set up to automatically download shows a long time ago, well before Amazon and Netflix came to the party.
    So why switch from something high quality and ad free?

  71. Netflix + Amazon vs Pirated Content in the World by b783719 · · Score: 1

    Oh wait it's missing one word
    Netflix + Amazon (Western content) vs Pirated Content in the World

    Netflix + Amazon (Western content) Pirated Content in the World

    It doesn't take much to point out Netflix & Amazon are still pretty limited in content across the world. Go travel for a vacation to some weird Asia place. If you can find internet, go on Netflix or Amazon. You will be very disappointed.

  72. Most of the *world* by Sun · · Score: 1

    Most of the world doesn't get any benefits from Amazon Prime, and a very partial library from Netflix. With such lame offering, why would most of the world switch to something that costs money and doesn't give anything much in return?

    This is without even mentioning that $10/mo in the US is not the same level of pay as in some other countries. You essentially pay more (relatively speaking) and get less

    Shachar

  73. title by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    nice

  74. Rest of the world by stiebrs · · Score: 1

    I live in a "non DMCA" country, meaning, that I have to jump hoops to even purchase anything legally, let alone streaming. Even if we ignore income/price ratio differences between US and, say, Belarus or some other not-so-well-off country, people have to HUNT for an opportunity to buy digital content legally. Amazon, albeit most popular, is geo-blocking. Apple thingy does not allow downloads + also geoblocks. Google music is much more open, but limited in content. BandCamp is mostly empty/indie. When will publishers realize, that they are shooting themselves in the leg with such an approach? With geo-blocking they don't prevent piracy, they proactively foster it, because even that single-digit percentile of well-off population is just unable to give their money away. I would recommend them to open up and enjoy the money stream.

  75. For most of the world, $8/month is a lot. by sabbede · · Score: 1
    If you live somewhere where the average monthly wage is a few hundred dollars, you're lucky to have something that can stream or download content at all. Paying what could easily be several days' wage is right out.

    So, they pirate for the same reason I used to - they can't afford to get content legally. (since then I've bought much of what I pirated. If it was any good.)

  76. Geoblocking by Tukz · · Score: 1

    "despite Netflix"?

    We get less than 40% of the catalogue in my country (Denmark).
    And this goes for other services as well.

    I don't want to wait up to 3 years before "My Show, Season X" finally airs in my location.
    Netflix Denmark STILL doesn't have the last season of several shows they offer.

    So I can either wait up to 3 years before I can watch shows or pirate it.

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  77. Lost revenue argument is also flawed by greg.fleury · · Score: 1

    Many of these cable companies and movie studies cite "lost revenue" as a result of piracy. These numbers are also flawed because, let's face it, the only reason why many pirates even watch/stream pirated content is because it's free. I would be willing to bet that more than half wouldn't even bother going to the movies and paying for it. Sort of like free firewood in the state parks. The minute they make you pay for it, suddenly the night gets quiet =)

  78. Thanks YouTube! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's where I get my pirated content.

  79. especially older stuff? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Netflix has a nasty habit of removing series TV shows in the middle of me finally getting around to watch them. Others, all they show are "collections" missing a lot of the show's episodes

    I went without any TV or cable for over two decades due to being "privileged" enough to not afford any sort of cable service. So I'm playing catch up on every single show that might be interesting during that time. And revisiting stuff I loved as a child. Lots of stuff that isn't even available on DVD to purchase on Amazon, much less stream.

    For stuff I cannot find available on even physical media, or only "collectors" stuff priced at hundreds of dollars and even then often PAL or the wrong region code, I can find on youtube ( is that still 'pirated'?) or downloadable.

    Hell, how much stuff has gone off streaming simply because the company that had it last had their rights "expire" or some such and the original company doesn't exist to allow anyone to purchase it? How much stuff went down the Memory Hole because it didn't sell enough action figures? Hell there's stuff that has disappeared due to Political Correctness. Those old WWII Looney Tunes, Popeye and other propaganda type films? Sometimes you see a collection in the bargain bin, but they're too 'racist' to be shown on Netflix. Disney's Song of the South? forget about that. Network, the movie about Media making its own news for its own ratings, back in the 70's? Tricky to catch on disc, forget about streaming.

  80. Content is fleeting. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Someday, the media companies that peddle this stuff will realize that once we, as a people, evolve out of such crap, and then have media that actually provides good to the social community.

    The media companies continue to enjoy record profits, (except Sony - their own fault), so don't believe that "pirated content" is killing anything. Remember that, when I tell you that I used to pay $20 for a dinner AND a movie... and Hollywood is just remaking old shows... it's not new, it's old... burned out and reused. Sorry... When the content get's better, it may be something worth paying for.

  81. Because Netflix is shit in most of the world by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    In my country Netflix has the same rate as in the US and has about 11% of the content. None of the ~10 tv shows I watch are on it...

  82. Boy, there WAS, NO, content to WATCH by syntotic · · Score: 1

    And they still complain? Who is not being paid? I think there are institutions for those cases so piracy is just a matter of settling payments for all because those are payments always positive for all.