Since Harrison Ford is getting up there... I'm not sure he's up the physically demanding role of Indiana Jones anymore, but... hey... anything could happen.
And both try very hard to look like either Windows or the Mac.
While I do realize that there is a lot of R&D done in the open source world... there is also a lot of imitation being done interface wise.
What I think is being forgotten here is... MS didn't write the report for you or for any other even slightly savvy person. They wrote it for the investors and for the less knowledgable people who are more likely to give them their money now that they have been "shown the light" by the "all-mighty" Microsoft.
Most of the latest generation of developers, scientists and engineers are very much into self development and self interest not like the previous generation which was into working for a big company for 20 years and retiring with a pension.
The issue is that most of the big contractors treat their employees like dirt because, you know... they have 75,000 other people working for them who are just like you and they can replace you in a heartbeat.
I should know... I made the mistake of working for one once whose name I will not mention here. The people I worked with were top notch, but the company itself was as evil as they come.
The "problem" is the spirit of individuality that my and the current generation have... thank god for it.
Yes... absolutely. People are free to say what they like. When I say that you "can't say" something what I mean is that you can't say it and expect it to be true.:)
I can say that I'm surrounded by 100 beautiful cheerleaders. That doesn't make it so.;)
I've seen this argument applied to other technologies too. Eclipse, for example. A friend of mine used to say that he would never use an IDE because it was for "stupid people" and that he didn't need a programs help to find things in the application he was working on.
I tried to explain to him that all it did was automate the mundane tasks to make you more efficient.
In a way my friend was right. Because you use Eclipse to locate issues with your code or to find symbols or to refactor, you may lose some of the skills you acquired to do those things.
But also... you're time is better spent.
All google is doing is automating the mudane task of sorting and searching through tons of data.
So, on some level yes. But as long as you stay in practice with some things.. it should be okay. Challenge yourself every once in a while to do things the hard way.:)
In parting... how many of you can take a square root without using a calculator?;)
Ubuntu is Debian based... now we have gNewSense which is Ubuntu based trying to be more Free Software conscious than Ubuntu when Debian already is that.:)
Sitting on the sidelines and saying what someone should do with a company they've built up from the ashes is very easy for you, but you have to consider what they're thinking. The people who founded Yahoo are free thinkers.
Yahoo is thought of (or was, during the boom) almost like Google is today. It's hard to build something from nothing and then have someone threaten to take it away like this. MS is strong arming them. They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.
If I were the yahoo management, I would be fighting MS with everything I have and looking for an alternate deal to screw them.
If it can be shown that Apple intentionally bricked modified phones (that is to say... had code which specifically detected and *proactively* bricked the phone), then they're in violation of Magnusun v. Moss. This lawsuit establishes the precedent that you are allowed to modify hardware that you own and, unless the company can show that your modification harms the device in some way, then they must honor the warranty.
IANAL, but I don't think this fight is as cut and dry as you believe it to be.
For anyone who can't think for themselves, yes, his opinion really counts.
I, personally, like to form my own opinions of things. While Linux has been seized upon by people as a great operating system. The only good thing about it is that it's free.
Linux is a monolithic kernel architecture which, as many operating systems experts will tell you, has number of problems.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that he's some kind of visionary, when he's not. The man never says anything positive about anyone else's work. I find it really tiring to listen to him rail on everything under the sun... speaking of Sun. Linus railed against them for not giving anything to the community.... let's examine that assertion for a minute:
Sun has: 1) Given it's OS out under a Free Software license 2) Given it's Processor out under the GPL 3) Released Open Office under the GPL 4) Is in the process of releasing Java under the GPL.
What else would you like them to give? Does he want them to drop Solaris and start being a Linux distributor?
Linus poo-poo's CVS and SVN as being "good enough." While I agree that CVS certainly does suck, SVN is not a the piece of crap he thinks it us.
He regularly criticizes RMS. I don't agree with everything RMS says, but some of the things that Linus dings him on are completely assinine. The GPLv2 was created before certain technologies existed. The GPLv3 was made to address the problems these new technologies present... and keeps with the spirit of the GPLv2. Linus is too blind to see this.
Don't kid yourself... he's no one's hero. He's just started to believe his own press.
Trademark infringment would only come into play if it were possible for people to confuse one for the other, which I really don't think that they can. IPM and IBM are different enough to be distiguished by the average consumer.
How about not paying them a goddamn dime for technology they:
1) Didn't invent and 2) Sat on like most patent trolls do these days
A professor of mine at UMCP was working on ways to dynamically break up programs for parallel processing machines prior to the submission of thier patent.
Linden Lab's servers are in TX and in CA. They have not implemented their architecture such that just anyone can create an instance that can be tied into the whole. This is something they are addressing, so, currently, Linden Lab's servers are solely under the jurisdiction of the US Government.
[W]ow, complete honesty from the maintainer of GNUstep, which at least admits it's not currently successful (from which it may improve), unlike Gnome and KDE, which are definitely on a long road to failure. Thanks for that nugget of frankness!
Since I believe you're making an attempt at sarcasm here I feel compelled to explain that I wasn't trying to make any kind of comparison or value judgement of any given environment.
My point was that there are too many competing looks for open source window managers and applications. They lack a consistent feel and user interface. One of the other posters said that the user would adjust to each app in it's own context. I believe that to be blatant over estimation of the users. Without a consistent look and feel, Linux (and other open source OS's) will always lag behind on the desktop.
Linux didn't fail on the desktop because of bad performance.. no no... it failed because of the lack of a consistent interface. One app is done using one kit, and another is done using a different kit. All with a different set of interface guidelines. We have dozens of window managers and hundreds of different looks and thousands of people who are too convinced that their way is the right way.
I have a very close friend who says that she doesn't know if she has a Mac or a PC, she just wants it to work. That's it. Nothing against her, she's one of the sweetest people I know, but that is the kind of person the desktop plays to. The community suffers from a consistent overestimation of their users. They forget to consider that many users are not interested in the technology... they just want it to work and look pretty... that's it.
Oh and, by the way, this doesn't just apply to Linux, but it will happen with any free software/open source operating system out there.
Full Disclosure: I am the Chief maintainer of GNUstep... so I'm guilty of this too. So sue me...
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Since Harrison Ford is getting up there... I'm not sure he's up the physically demanding role of Indiana Jones anymore, but... hey... anything could happen.
GC
And both try very hard to look like either Windows or the Mac.
While I do realize that there is a lot of R&D done in the open source world... there is also a lot of imitation being done interface wise.
What I think is being forgotten here is... MS didn't write the report for you or for any other even slightly savvy person. They wrote it for the investors and for the less knowledgable people who are more likely to give them their money now that they have been "shown the light" by the "all-mighty" Microsoft.
Sometimes ignorance compounds itself.
GC
Most of the latest generation of developers, scientists and engineers are very much into self development and self interest not like the previous generation which was into working for a big company for 20 years and retiring with a pension.
The issue is that most of the big contractors treat their employees like dirt because, you know... they have 75,000 other people working for them who are just like you and they can replace you in a heartbeat.
I should know... I made the mistake of working for one once whose name I will not mention here. The people I worked with were top notch, but the company itself was as evil as they come.
The "problem" is the spirit of individuality that my and the current generation have... thank god for it.
Regards, GC
Yes... absolutely. People are free to say what they like. When I say that you "can't say" something what I mean is that you can't say it and expect it to be true. :)
;)
I can say that I'm surrounded by 100 beautiful cheerleaders. That doesn't make it so.
GC
I think this is a stereotype like any other. You can't say that one group of people always does something in a given way.
I certainly do not write my code in a "cryptic way" to show off. I find it a little insulting to my entire gender to be pigeonholed in that way.
I was taught that when you write code it should be easily understandable and well commented and that's what I do.
Sheesh.
Greg C.
Haha!!!!! You got me. Dangit... I knew I should have used the spell checker!! Not using it just makes me look dumberer. ;)
I've seen this argument applied to other technologies too. Eclipse, for example. A friend of mine used to say that he would never use an IDE because it was for "stupid people" and that he didn't need a programs help to find things in the application he was working on.
:)
;)
I tried to explain to him that all it did was automate the mundane tasks to make you more efficient.
In a way my friend was right. Because you use Eclipse to locate issues with your code or to find symbols or to refactor, you may lose some of the skills you acquired to do those things.
But also... you're time is better spent.
All google is doing is automating the mudane task of sorting and searching through tons of data.
So, on some level yes. But as long as you stay in practice with some things.. it should be okay. Challenge yourself every once in a while to do things the hard way.
In parting... how many of you can take a square root without using a calculator?
GC
Period.
:)
Ubuntu is Debian based... now we have gNewSense which is Ubuntu based trying to be more Free Software conscious than Ubuntu when Debian already is that.
Seems redundant to me.
Both KDE and GNOME seem to be innovating on a massive scale to bring us a GUI we've all grown to hate.
:)
Congratulations guys for bringing us the Windows 2000/XP GUI on Linux!
Sincerely, G.
Sitting on the sidelines and saying what someone should do with a company they've built up from the ashes is very easy for you, but you have to consider what they're thinking. The people who founded Yahoo are free thinkers.
Yahoo is thought of (or was, during the boom) almost like Google is today. It's hard to build something from nothing and then have someone threaten to take it away like this. MS is strong arming them. They're basically saying "Sell or we'll take you over by rousing your stock holders" which is just business... but you have to really consider it from the perspective of the people who have created and grown with the company from the beginning.
If I were the yahoo management, I would be fighting MS with everything I have and looking for an alternate deal to screw them.
Everyone who's gone against the Open Source/Free Software community in the past has come up short. Bring it, Ballmer!!! Bring it!!!
GJC
Correction... it's a Act, not a lawsuit. Like I said, IANAL.
If it can be shown that Apple intentionally bricked modified phones (that is to say... had code which specifically detected and *proactively* bricked the phone), then they're in violation of Magnusun v. Moss. This lawsuit establishes the precedent that you are allowed to modify hardware that you own and, unless the company can show that your modification harms the device in some way, then they must honor the warranty.
IANAL, but I don't think this fight is as cut and dry as you believe it to be.
GJC
'nuff said.
GJC
For anyone who can't think for themselves, yes, his opinion really counts.
I, personally, like to form my own opinions of things. While Linux has been seized upon by people as a great operating system. The only good thing about it is that it's free.
Linux is a monolithic kernel architecture which, as many operating systems experts will tell you, has number of problems.
Don't fool yourself into thinking that he's some kind of visionary, when he's not. The man never says anything positive about anyone else's work. I find it really tiring to listen to him rail on everything under the sun... speaking of Sun. Linus railed against them for not giving anything to the community.... let's examine that assertion for a minute:
Sun has:
1) Given it's OS out under a Free Software license
2) Given it's Processor out under the GPL
3) Released Open Office under the GPL
4) Is in the process of releasing Java under the GPL.
What else would you like them to give? Does he want them to drop Solaris and start being a Linux distributor?
Linus poo-poo's CVS and SVN as being "good enough." While I agree that CVS certainly does suck, SVN is not a the piece of crap he thinks it us.
He regularly criticizes RMS. I don't agree with everything RMS says, but some of the things that Linus dings him on are completely assinine. The GPLv2 was created before certain technologies existed. The GPLv3 was made to address the problems these new technologies present... and keeps with the spirit of the GPLv2. Linus is too blind to see this.
Don't kid yourself... he's no one's hero. He's just started to believe his own press.
Good day.
Who really gives a flying hoot what Linus thinks anymore?
GJC
Haha. Read my reply to the previous post.
GJC
Yes, you may dare ask. Sycophantic hero worship of any person is wrong. Period.
GJC
Just more of Linus running his mouth.
Stop your sycophantic hero worship.
GJC
Trademark infringment would only come into play if it were possible for people to confuse one for the other, which I really don't think that they can. IPM and IBM are different enough to be distiguished by the average consumer.
GJC
How about not paying them a goddamn dime for technology they:
1) Didn't invent and
2) Sat on like most patent trolls do these days
A professor of mine at UMCP was working on ways to dynamically break up programs for parallel processing machines prior to the submission of thier patent.
Please...
GJC
Linden Lab's servers are in TX and in CA. They have not implemented their architecture such that just anyone can create an instance that can be tied into the whole. This is something they are addressing, so, currently, Linden Lab's servers are solely under the jurisdiction of the US Government.
GJC
Indeed this is very true, unfortunately.
GJC
[W]ow, complete honesty from the maintainer of GNUstep, which at least admits it's not currently successful (from which it may improve), unlike Gnome and KDE, which are definitely on a long road to failure. Thanks for that nugget of frankness!
Since I believe you're making an attempt at sarcasm here I feel compelled to explain that I wasn't trying to make any kind of comparison or value judgement of any given environment.
My point was that there are too many competing looks for open source window managers and applications. They lack a consistent feel and user interface. One of the other posters said that the user would adjust to each app in it's own context. I believe that to be blatant over estimation of the users. Without a consistent look and feel, Linux (and other open source OS's) will always lag behind on the desktop.
Two more reasons for linux failing:...
On your other points you're right on the money.
GJC
Linux didn't fail on the desktop because of bad performance.. no no... it failed because of the lack of a consistent interface. One app is done using one kit, and another is done using a different kit. All with a different set of interface guidelines. We have dozens of window managers and hundreds of different looks and thousands of people who are too convinced that their way is the right way.
:)
I have a very close friend who says that she doesn't know if she has a Mac or a PC, she just wants it to work. That's it. Nothing against her, she's one of the sweetest people I know, but that is the kind of person the desktop plays to. The community suffers from a consistent overestimation of their users. They forget to consider that many users are not interested in the technology... they just want it to work and look pretty... that's it.
Oh and, by the way, this doesn't just apply to Linux, but it will happen with any free software/open source operating system out there.
Full Disclosure: I am the Chief maintainer of GNUstep... so I'm guilty of this too. So sue me...
Choice can, sometimes, be a really bad thing.
GJC