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Lucas Researching Concept For New Indiana Jones Film

Cycon writes "According to George Lucas, 'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea. And that series is very research-intensive. So we're doing research now to see if we can't come up with another object for him to chase ... hopefully we'll come up with something.' Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,' instead stating, 'if [Harrison Ford] wasn't in it, you'd have to call it "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis."'"

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  1. Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by beh · · Score: 4, Funny

    There's plenty he could be going after:

    Indiana Jones and the Clump Of Dark Matter

    Indiana Jones and the RIAA lawsuit about him touching the Ark Of The Covenant (without seeking prior license from the Vatican) ...?

    1. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Zekasu · · Score: 5, Funny

      I was thinking along the lines of, "Indiana Jones and the Search for the Higgs Boson, coming to a theater near you October 21, 2008."

    2. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by mfnickster · · Score: 5, Funny

      "Raiders of the Lost Medicine Cabinet"

      "Indiana Jones and the Child-proof Cap"

      "Indiana Jones and the Walker of Doom"

      "Indiana Jones and the Damn Kids on His Lawn"

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    3. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      "Indiana Jones and why George Lucas Keeps Ruining Every Saga He Created When He Was Young"

    4. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by noob749 · · Score: 1

      cowboy neal?

    5. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      Indiana Jones and the Babylonian Weapons of Mass Destruction?

    6. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by illumastorm · · Score: 1

      "Indiana Jones and the Shuffleboard of Doom"

    7. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

      You just wait for American Grafitti 2, complete with CGI exploding '57 Chevy Impalas spinning through the air...

    8. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by PJCRP · · Score: 2, Funny

      Indiana Jones and the Iron Lung

      Indiana Jones and the Legend of the Pharmaceutical Store

      Indiana Jones and the Tale of Arthritis

      Indiana Jones, Raiders of the Lost Dentures

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    9. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by 192939495969798999 · · Score: 1, Redundant

      Indiana Jones and the Search for More Money?

      Indiana Jones and the Search for a Good Retirement Home?

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    10. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Swampash · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indiana Jones and the Iraqi Weapons of Mass Destruction

    11. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Cycon · · Score: 5, Interesting

      It seems to me that Lucas' first movie, THX 1138 can be seen as an allegory for his career. The "American Zoetrope" production house he formed with Francis Ford Coppola back in the revolutionary days of the late '60s in San Francisco was all about the independent thinker escaping from the machine of control and exploitation which was the "old boys'" movie studio system at the time.


      ***SPOILER ALERT***
      At the end of the movie, when he has finally escaped and is free of the system (as Lucas is now free and able to produce any movie he chooses from conception through to finished product) the protagonist finds him system alone, in the middle of a barren wasteland. All credit to Lucas for escaping the machine, but it sees his imagination is just as empty these days.

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    12. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by rhyder128k · · Score: 5, Funny

      Indiana Jones and the Time He Went Over to Shelbyville During the War.

      He wore a bullwhip on his belt. Which was the style at the time.

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    13. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 4, Funny

      Indiana Jones and the Natalie Portman Figurine

      Indiana Jones and the Lost Netcraft Confirmation

      Indiana Jones and the Steven King Demise Report

      and, finally,

      InSovietDiana, Raiders of the Temple of the Crusade of the Skull are Jonezin' for you!

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    14. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by ThomConspicuous · · Score: 1

      "Indiana Jones and the Search To Understand How A Refrigerator Saves You From A Nuclear Blast" - Kinda long... *shrug*

    15. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Kavli · · Score: 3, Funny

      What about the obvious "Indiana Jones and the Hunt for Duke Nukem Forever"?

    16. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by blitziod · · Score: 1

      Umn in related news Lucas is also making a LONG AWAITED follow up to Howard the Duck!

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    17. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by initialE · · Score: 1

      The Indiana Jones francise had many years to come up with new material. When they didn't, someone else came up with "The DaVinci Code"

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    18. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      (the) one possibility is money

    19. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by weetabeex · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Great research method: post it on slashdot and get everyone doing the job for you!

    20. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 4, Interesting

      What about the obvious "Indiana Jones and the Hunt for Duke Nukem Forever"?

      I wanted "Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis: The movie" :(

    21. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by binarylarry · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and the Lost Thetans of Xenu!

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    22. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Grimbleton · · Score: 1

      Did you seriously just compare Indiana Jones to a piece of hack fiction? Oh... wait.. Yeah, I see it now.

    23. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by jo42 · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and The Quest for Goatse.

      Indiana Jones and The Search for Bush's Brain.

    24. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by hiryuu · · Score: 2, Interesting

      ***SPOILER ALERT***
      At the end of the movie, when he has finally escaped and is free of the system (as Lucas is now free and able to produce any movie he chooses from conception through to finished product) the protagonist finds him system alone, in the middle of a barren wasteland. All credit to Lucas for escaping the machine, but it sees his imagination is just as empty these days.

      Rather than comment on the film ending being a metaphor for Lucas' career and ability, I just wanted to remark that I always found it quite disconcerting that, for once, the film had the bleak ending and the _book_ (Ben Bova's novelization of Lucas' screenplay) had the happily-ever-after. Was never sure which one I preferred.
       

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    25. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually, Indiana Jones would need to seek a license from the Ethiopian Orthodox. They claim to actually have it.

    26. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by elrous0 · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and the Quest for a Good Nursing Home

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    27. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by morari · · Score: 1

      Because he's a hack who has nowadays completely succumb to CGI for films. He's obviously never been all that great, he's just always had other people helping him. Given free reign, he tends to make worthless crap.

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    28. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by morari · · Score: 1

      Happy endings should never be preferred over a good "bleak" ending, especially within the dystopian genre. Sad endings stick with you, whereas happy endings are the same thing over and over again. Of course, if everyone took up this theory, sad endings would probably become the status quo and would thus be pretty lame too. :P

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    29. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Boronx · · Score: 1

      Why is the ending bleak? They were told the surface was unlivable, and it clearly wasn't. There were birds, it wasn't a barren wasteland. Yeah he's alone, but he's master of himself in a living world he never knew existed.

    30. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Just keep it simple.

      Indiana Jones: Wheelchair Adventures

    31. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by syntek · · Score: 1

      I'm pretty sure if Duke Nukem Forever was searched for, found, and released... the universe would implode. Thankfully the developers realized they had accidentally made a doomsday device and have thus since not unleashed it upon the universe.

    32. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by porky_pig_jr · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and the Beowulf of those.

    33. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Hurricane78 · · Score: 1

      Hmm... somewhere in there is a joke about how DNF is the hell-portal in Doom 3 and what would have happened to Doom 3 if DNF came out at that time.
      Hmm... i can't quite catch it... ;)

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    34. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by flappinbooger · · Score: 1

      Naw, that's just a legend.

      Lucas needs something more plausible.

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    35. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by flappinbooger · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I read the biography of GL, that was also an analysis of star wars, that made it's rounds a few months back. I found his early career fascinating.

      I think what GL needs again is what all talented and admittedly gifted artistic people need. Pressure. They create, they need to create, because that's all they got going for them. That's their tool, they use it because they have to. Pressure to create.

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    36. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by fyngyrz · · Score: 2, Funny

      After how poor the last one was -- crystal skull -- I'm probably done with 'em anyway. I nearly bailed after that one with the incredibly annoying kid, but Lucas redeemed himself through Sean Connery's good auspices. That kid was the Jar Jar Binks / Ewok of IJ movies. Precocious, annoying children only amuse mothers in the full flush of new-kid hormones, and grandparents who snicker at the parents trying to handle them. The rest of us just want to stuff them into a barrel and pound in the bung.

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    37. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "CowboyNeal and the Missing Poll Option"

      "Commander Taco Meets the Deadly Filter of Lameness"

      "Roblimo and the Red-Hot Portman Grits"

      "Indiana Jones and the +5 Insightful Mod"

    38. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      actually as a piece of fiction, Davinci Code was not hideous. The problem was that people thought it was somehow based in reality because they used stuff that touched on reality. It actually would have been a decent IJ type movie. I actually preferred "The 8" but DC was a fun read if you turned off the brain.

    39. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

      Excellent

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    40. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Not going to work - Indy always finds what he goes looking for.

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    41. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by ArsonSmith · · Score: 1

      Didn't you see the tag that said it was lead lined? Duh..

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    42. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Ebirah · · Score: 2, Funny

      Perhaps they could make

      "The Indiana Jones Holiday Special"

      as an interim measure.

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    43. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by cashman73 · · Score: 1

      He found it. Remember, in the last movie? He found the nuke and escaped inside of a refridgerator,... ;-)

    44. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by KGIII · · Score: 4, Funny

      The rest of us just want to stuff them into a barrel and pound in the bung.

      I'm pretty sure you're not supposed to want to do that to kids, no matter how annoying they are.

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    45. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by ArcticCelt · · Score: 1

      I am pretty sure the last Indiana Jones film was the "Holiday Special". At least it was of that level of quality and humor, to bad Itchy and Lumpy weren't in it :(

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    46. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indiana Jones and The Temple of Grits?

    47. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by ps2os2 · · Score: 1

      Don't forget the possibility:
      Indiana Jones and Laura Croft go head to head trying to find the fountain of youth

    48. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by MoeDumb · · Score: 0

      "Indiana Jones: Escape from the Semi-Private Room"

      "Indiana Jones and the Throbbing Temple of Pain"

      "Indiana Jones: The Last Transplant"

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    49. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      with a new animated bad guy? And some furry little critters dancing to music.

      I thought the new one was good, and tied up lose ends moving Indy from kid to "dad" but the torch was clearly passed to "Mutt". I think Speilberg was more instrumental than Lucas at driving that though. Lucas doesn't realize that a young, cocky, impulsive "Mutt" is exactly what all those 50's Serials he's worshiping would need. I'd think a totally different "pop sci-fi" series than Indy was, maybe closer to Flash Gordon, but like Speilberg points out WITHOUT digital effects as much as possible.

    50. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by ZeroFactorial · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones and Duke Nukem Forever.

    51. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How about he goes looking for Lucas's talent? I'm sure that's a tiny object that's going to be difficult to find.

    52. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Vexar · · Score: 1

      the lead lining wasn't thick enough. Also? There is no accounting for the heat levels. He may have had a reduced radiation dose, but his carcass would have been fried to a crisp.

    53. Re:Lucas obviously doesn't read slashdot... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      It's a refrigerator. They're cold inside. Duh..

  2. I know what kind of object they need by evwah · · Score: 2, Funny

    It has to be some kind of magical totem that will resurrect the desiccated corpse of the franchise.

    1. Re:I know what kind of object they need by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Oh come on. Lucas has to have something else to fuck up. He's run out of screwing up Star Wars movies.

  3. Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by darkheart22 · · Score: 1

    I haven't seen the new indiana jones movie yet but i like the idea of a new indiana jones. I don't know if Shia LaBeouf is a good choice thought cause i said earlier i haven't seen the new indy movie yet.

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    1. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Hansu · · Score: 5, Informative

      I haven't seen the new indiana jones movie yet

      Consider yourself lucky. Once you have seen it, it can't be unseen.

      My eyes, the goggles do nothing!

      seriously it's crap.

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    2. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The biggest disappointment from the new Indy movie was the lack of Sallah. You can't have a good Indy movie without Sallah

    3. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I'm gonna go ahead and disagree with everyone telling you the new one was crap. While it wasn't as good as, say, Raiders of the Lost Ark or Last Crusade, I'd definitely say it was better than Temple of Doom. Quite frankly, there's no legitimate reason I've seen that anyone has to complain about it. Yes, the plot/physics is nonsensical. So what? They've always been that way for this series.

      Dunno if Shia LaBeouf would make an adequate replacement for Ford, though. He does ok in the new movie, but it wouldn't be the same.

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    4. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Shihar · · Score: 1

      I know that Lucas thinks that everyone 'relies on him" to come up with good ideas... but seriously, Lucus is a one trick pony. He makes exactly one good movie in a series, then he either hands it off to someone who is talented or makes a crapfest. I personally hope he does what he did with the Empire Strikes Back. Give some writer and director WHO IS NOT LUCUS a rough outline of what he wants, and let them make a good movie. I can just see him directing a love scene...

      Lucus: "No! Less emotion! Like you are a fucking robot! No, not like a robot, like a god damn lumb of coal! Yes yes! You have it, look vacant and repeat those lines more mono ton! Brilliant! Quick, someone get some comic relief in here. Give me a funny like black man or something. The audience can't handle too much heavy shit like that or their brains will explode in contemplate of MY GENIUS!!!! AHAHAHAHHAHAH!

    5. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by GleeBot · · Score: 1

      I know that Lucas thinks that everyone 'relies on him" to come up with good ideas... but seriously, Lucus is a one trick pony. He makes exactly one good movie in a series, then he either hands it off to someone who is talented or makes a crapfest. I personally hope he does what he did with the Empire Strikes Back. Give some writer and director WHO IS NOT LUCUS a rough outline of what he wants, and let them make a good movie.

      The only problem with your theory is that this is pretty much exactly what Lucas has done with the Indiana Jones series.

      The Indiana Jones movies are directed by Steven Spielberg. Always has been. Lucas has a producer credit, which basically means his role is just to come up with ideas (and bankroll them).

      That didn't stop the most recent one from sucking pretty badly. Guess Spielberg is losing his touch, too.

    6. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Crizp · · Score: 1

      The roles should be switched, perhaps -- at least Lucas should stop writing because, from his own admission, he really really stinks at writing dialogue. But he's an OK director, he has an eye for imagery.

      I don't think I'm alone in thinking he wanted the IJ4 movie to hint at Star Wars as a plot device (aliens, right?) since, as he said (paraphrased) "I wanted it to be more far out but Steve kinda stopped me on that"

      Ugh.

    7. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I have no idea what Sallah is, but I was disappointed with the lack of cowbell... I got a fever, and the only prescription is cowbell... I gotta have more cowbell.

    8. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by mcvos · · Score: 1

      The roles should be switched, perhaps -- at least Lucas should stop writing because, from his own admission, he really really stinks at writing dialogue.

      With Indiana Jones (or any movie with Harrison Ford) that's not a problem, because he'll just improvise something better.

      But he's an OK director, he has an eye for imagery.

      He is only okay when it comes to special effects. As soon as an actor appears on screen, it turns to crap. Look at how he managed to turn each and every one of the extremely talented all-star cast of the Star Wars prequels into wooden robots. Ewan
      McGregor, Liam Neeson, Natalie Portman, Samuel L. Jackson, each and every one of them is a brilliant actor with lots of great roles to their name (well, Natalie Portman is still young, but she'll get there), but all of them managed to give the absolute worst performance of their career in Lucas' films. That's a pretty good sign that he's not really a very good director at all.

    9. Re:Shia LaBeouf the new indiana jones by Crizp · · Score: 1

      OK perhaps not director, but principal photographer. Jeez how the man has fallen since THX.

  4. I know by twatter · · Score: 3, Funny

    How about introducing a strange new character that behaves in an obnoxious way, speaks in unintelligible patois and causes everyone to flinch whenever he's onscreen. He could be called Shortstop Bingo and be Indy's trusty right-hand fuck up.

    Surely this would totally enhance the franchise.

    1. Re:I know by EdIII · · Score: 1

      I sincerely hope you are not making fun of the little kid in Indiana Jones and the Temple of Doom. You must be making some sort of sarcastic obscure reference to Jar-Jar "WTF" Binks.

      Otherwise prepare for an ass wooping :) I mean come on, he played Data, AKA "Booby-Twap" in The Goonies. How could you not love that?

      In fact, screw Jar-Jar. You could replace him and put Data in the Phantom Menace and it would be an even better movie.

    2. Re:I know by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      With the exception of the mine cart chase and the rope bridge fight, Short Round was the only good thing about Temple of Doom.

    3. Re:I know by mcvos · · Score: 1

      With the exception of the mine cart chase and the rope bridge fight, Short Round was the only good thing about Temple of Doom.

      You're kidding me, rgiht? Temple of Doom had the two worst sidekicks ever. Even apart from the mine cart chanse and the rope bridge fight, the movie has its moments, but those were mostly the ones without Short Round in it.

      I particularly really like the opening scene a lot.

    4. Re:I know by Von+Helmet · · Score: 1

      While I concur that Willie was awful, I'd defend Short Round. He was good fun.

    5. Re:I know by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 1

      "Mister Obi-wan! Mister Obi-wan! Huwwy!"

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    6. Re:I know by marco.antonio.costa · · Score: 1

      Willie was fucking hot.

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    7. Re:I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Willie was fucking hot.

      I'd say the same for short round!

    8. Re:I know by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      Being suspended in a wooden cage in a pit not far above some lava does tend to make one hot, yes...

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    9. Re:I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      if you're gonna put Data in Star Wars, make it the *other* Data. Star Wars meets Star Trek... Two classic geek memes meet and the universe explodes....

    10. Re:I know by EdIII · · Score: 1

      The difference is that the Wookie would not be pulling the arms of that android when he loses. Data would kick some Wookie butt.

    11. Re:I know by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      You could replace Jar-Jar with anything and Phantom Menace would be a much better movie.

  5. James Bond with whips by mcvos · · Score: 5, Insightful

    Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,' instead stating, 'if [Harrison Ford] wasn't in it, you'd have to call it "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis."'

    I think Lucas missed an opportunity to turn Indiana Jones into a James Bond-like franchise. Some months ago I read that it was originally sold as "James Bond with nazis and ancient treasures", and I think it would have been a great idea to keep it perpetually in a pre-WW2 setting with nazis and zeppelins, and replace the main actor if he gets too old.

    Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.

    1. Re:James Bond with whips by OzRoy · · Score: 1

      I remember when I first saw Last Cruisade at the cinema. I was only 12 at the time and I got really confused by the bit at the beginning. I thought they had done exactly what you said and replaced Harrison Ford with a new actor.

    2. Re:James Bond with whips by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      Ah, River Phoenix. Had he lived, he may well have become the next Indy.

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    3. Re:James Bond with whips by OzRoy · · Score: 1

      No I'm talking about the bad guy he got The Hat from. I recognised The Hat, and saw he was digging up stuff so I assumed he was Indy.

      I didn't realise it was a flashback to his childhood.

    4. Re:James Bond with whips by thermian · · Score: 1

      To do the James Bond thing he would have had to have kept making films, not leave it this long between movies.

      They were a product of a different age anyway, time was the a new James Bond film was a cause for national celebration. Now if one is released its just another action flick, people simply don't care as much.

      The only reason studios are interested in getting a James Bond type thing going is the potential product placement revenue such a popular series would generate.

       

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    5. Re:James Bond with whips by bhunachchicken · · Score: 1

      I think Lucas missed an opportunity to turn Indiana Jones into a James Bond-like franchise.

      I believe that was the idea when Clive Cussler's Sahara was adapted to the big screen.

      As I understand it there was a desire to turn Dirk Pitt into a brand new big screen hero, as a combination of James Bond and Indiana Jones, hence the tag line,

      "Dirk Pitt. Adventure has a new name"

      However, the film was a box office bomb and nothing else came of it.

      It probably didn't help matters that Clive Cussler himself attempted to torpedo the franchise.

      But, in fairness to him, he did request to approve the script and then they made alterations without consulting him after he'd signed off.

      I've probably got some of this wrong, and I imagine Dirk Pitt fans will correct me :)

    6. Re:James Bond with whips by mcvos · · Score: 1

      To do the James Bond thing he would have had to have kept making films, not leave it this long between movies.

      Exactly. That was the missed opportunity, IMO. But I admit I didn't realise this until I heard the new movie played in the '50s with commies instead of nazis.

      They were a product of a different age anyway, time was the a new James Bond film was a cause for national celebration. Now if one is released its just another action flick, people simply don't care as much.

      Nowadays it's a new Star Wars that's cause for national celebration, it seems. The new Indy got quite a lot of press too.

      The only reason studios are interested in getting a James Bond type thing going is the potential product placement revenue such a popular series would generate.

      If it's such a popular series, wouldn't they be interested in it anyway? The product placement is just a nice bonus.

    7. Re:James Bond with whips by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I believe that was the idea when Clive Cussler's Sahara was adapted to the big screen.

      As I understand it there was a desire to turn Dirk Pitt into a brand new big screen hero, as a combination of James Bond and Indiana Jones, hence the tag line,

      "Dirk Pitt. Adventure has a new name"

      I've never heard of any of these.

      However, the film was a box office bomb and nothing else came of it.

      That explains it then. Was it any good at all?

    8. Re:James Bond with whips by maxume · · Score: 1

      It was well packaged and there was nothing staggeringly inconsistent. The heroes are awfully lucky, but that's the way movies are; mostly, it is easier to say that it wasn't bad, but it stumbles along at times.

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    9. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think River Phoenix would've made an excellent replacement for Harrison (if he retired Indy that is). I also believe most fans would've accepted Phoenix easier because he played young Indy in The Last Crusade. Personally, I think he did a damn fine job playing the part. Too bad things worked out the way they did.

      Rest in peace Phoenix.

    10. Re:James Bond with whips by niktemadur · · Score: 1

      Well, there was Raise The Titanic in 1980, the first Cussler/Pitt cinematic foray. Raise your hands if you remember that one. The book was a hit, the film wasn't.
      With the notable exception of Hunt For Red October, underwater sagas do not perform well at the box office. Remember The Abyss and Waterworld.

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    11. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

      I disagree. Nathan Fillion's Captain Mal from Firefly was Han Solo only cooler. I think he could be a great Indy.

    12. Re:James Bond with whips by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      there is a new star wars coming out. I couldn't care less. How bout you?

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    13. Re:James Bond with whips by syntek · · Score: 1

      Another Indy besides Ford. Yeah, I could see that. But you mentioned Bond, and I tend to enjoy the new Bond, and flame if you will, the latest batman. Much darker and more believable then the neon lights and the batmobile traveling at amazing speeds of 30mph with a jet engine on the back. Any who, I not sure is Shia LaBeouf would make a good Ford, but he did kinda look like his son... sorta, if you squinch your eyes real tight.

    14. Re:James Bond with whips by rolfwind · · Score: 1

      Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.

      Yeah, I used to think that about Jack Nicholson's Joker... then Heath Ledger came along. We all love movies from our youth, but remember things as much better than they were when a new interpretation comes along.

    15. Re:James Bond with whips by VoidEngineer · · Score: 1

      I dunno. Some of the earlier Bond movies were kinda of out there, as the studios experimented with different ideas. Moonraker comes to mind as being kind of "out there" Plus, I was under the impression that Ford was signed up for 5 Indy movies, according to his original contract. I wouldn't discount the possibility of the franchise going the way of Bond.

    16. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      There are still those how say that no Bond has ever compared to Sean Connery... I personally have always preferred Moore, but that's probably just because he's the one who was bond when I was young.... The same thing is happening with Doctor Who, a few geeks where I work argue over who is better, Eccleston or Tennant, My answer is Pertwee, though Tom Baker seems to be synonymous with the Doctor for many. Keeping it pre WWII or during WWII would have been perfect... A New Indy every few years would have worked well, giving each generation someone new to identify with the character. I like the first mummy movie, and I though it captured the spirit of Indy quite well. I would not have minded seeing the fedora passed to Brendan Frasier at the time (subsequent mummy and related movies have not been as good, so that might not have been the best idea, but you get the picture). It would have been a great idea, had they actually done it at the time, but now, bringing Ford back as Indy and setting it 20 years later makes that kind of seen a bit out of place. It would take a couple of really good stories with another actor as Indy to pull it off, and as Crystal Skulls shows, he does not have any good stories left.

    17. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      you know, when I saw that movie, I thought that Ledger did a great Joker, but I also thought that I could have seen Jack playing it exactly the same way (when he was younger, specifically, watch the shining again) but that playing the joker the way Ledger did would not have fit in with the Tim Burton-esque vision of the other Batman movies. If Nicholson were 20-25 years younger, and playing the Joker in the new movies, I see him playing it almost the way Ledger did.

    18. Re:James Bond with whips by sunami · · Score: 1

      Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.

      And how many people said no James Bond could ever compare to Sean Connery?

    19. Re:James Bond with whips by Broken+Toys · · Score: 2, Insightful

      Mal was too moody and unpredictable.

      Characters in Lucas films aren't permitted to have the same degree of emotional complexity as the audience.

    20. Re:James Bond with whips by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.

      And how many people said no James Bond could ever compare to Sean Connery?

      A lot, so such a franchise could work equally well for Indy. And eventually we did get a few James Bonds that, while no Sean Connery clones, were perfectly fine James Bonds in their own right.

    21. Re:James Bond with whips by mcvos · · Score: 1

      Mal was too moody and unpredictable.

      Nathan can do more characters than just Mal. I'm inclined to agree with the GP that Nathan Fillion might be able to do a very good Indy.

    22. Re:James Bond with whips by Broken+Toys · · Score: 1

      This should have been a clue, "Characters in Lucas films aren't permitted to have the same degree of emotional complexity as the audience."

      I was being sarcastic. Fillion is an excellent actor and you are a good judge of acting talent :-)

    23. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Any who, I not sure is Shia LaBeouf would make a good Ford, but he did kinda look like his son...

      Indy was originally supposed to evoke a Steve McQueen type of character.

      LaBeouf is evidently supposed to be a cross between Marlon Brando and Errol Flynn!

    24. Re:James Bond with whips by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      And how many people said no James Bond could ever compare to Sean Connery?

      No other Bond ever has.

  6. Yes, well... by djupedal · · Score: 1

    As long as the next plot doesn't rely on yet-another-alternate-reality scheme, where, say, Jones spends most of the movie in a coma, dreaming about Stonehenge or the Giza plateau or Atlantis, only to suddenly wake up after drifting off in a bathtub somewhere in Berkeley, I'm in. Wait....we're done w/Shia, right? No more Mutt? Mutt is off w/J.J. Binks somewhere? Permanently? Promise? Ok, then...please proceed.

    1. Re:Yes, well... by Broken+Toys · · Score: 1

      I can't take credit for this idea, someone else came up with it first"; Indy doesn't survive his ride in the refrigerator and the rest of the movie is a massive hallucination as he shuffles off this mortal coil.

      It would explain a lot.

  7. Pffffft.... by VE3OGG · · Score: 5, Interesting

    Lucas whining about "research" is laughable.

    Granted, Raiders of the Lost Ark had some interesting stories in it, and did at least deal with some research, but I would say the amount of true "research" in Indiana Jones films has been dropping geometrically.

    Indeed, The Last Crusade, other then repeating the Romantic-era story about the grail that so many people already knew, gave no new information and instead focused on the relationship between Indy and his father.

    And Crystal Skull -- from what people have told me about it is even worse. Dealing with a completely fictional back story that doesn't represent anything presently known about the crystal skulls, nor anything that is written about widely in popular paranormal literature.

    No one is saying that Indiana Jones isn't a fabulous example of those serial movies from the 40s and 50s, but I am arguing that the amount of research is mind-numbingly small.

    And who here thinks that this statement:

    "The franchise really depends on me"

    Isn't just a bit egotistical... *cough*Phantom Menace*cough*

    1. Re:Pffffft.... by 1u3hr · · Score: 1

      "Research"??? At least he's being honest, it's obvious he doesn't have the ability now, if he ever did, to create a story that isn't a rehash. Problem is he isn't rehashing imaginative stuff by good writers, as he did in his early movies, but third-generation self-plagiarism. He should stick to marketing action figures and hand over the creative reins to someone who hasn't disappeared up their own asshole.

    2. Re:Pffffft.... by hairyfeet · · Score: 5, Insightful

      What I want to know is this: Is Lucas out of money? Gambling debts,an expensive mistress or three to pay for? Surely he is making enough off of the "real" Star Wars trilogy,right? If he still has money why in the name of all that is good and decent in the universe is he determined to destroy every good thing he created in his youth. What's next, American Graffiti the next generation? Seriously WTH is Lucas thinking,either come up with some new ideas or sit on your money and quietly retire. But please quit screwing up our collective past with crap like,well,pretty much everything Lucas has done for the past decade and a half. But as always this is my 02c,YMMV.

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    3. Re:Pffffft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The franchise depends on him because he is going to take it down with him. Has he done anything good in the past 15 years? They really shouldn't let him direct anymore, he's like your grandfather driving 30 in a 55 zone. We all know it's time for him to stop but nobody is making him for some reason.

    4. Re:Pffffft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      You don't get it do you? Lucas is rich, filthy rich. This attracts shit eaters and douchebags that also want to become rich. They lend him some money to make a movie and expect a fortune in return. Because it's their money (and because they are idiots) they force him to "broaden the experience to appeal to a wider audience demographics" (read: tone down the violence for kids, put in a smooth young main character for the gays, add some slapstick comedy elements and stereotypes for racists and idiots and devise some sort of ridiculous love story for women and those that ususally don't see action films). Cook that mixture over a writers strike for a few months, stir in some greed and stock scare and then dump it into the mainstream to milk the cow.

      Perfect recipe for an awful movie. I don't actually believe that Lucas makes all these terrible decisions himself, there is probably a team of production assistants payd by the shareholders and the studio to fuck up his projects big time (or as they would call it: refine the market appeal).

    5. Re:Pffffft.... by rpillala · · Score: 1

      In Lucas' mind, his movies are the only ones that exist. Never mind that Star Wars was The Hidden Fortress. If you listen to his commentary on these recent movies (I've made a huge mistake,) he's including homage to his own earlier movies.

      As such, there are only about 10 movies to watch in the entire history of film. So we clearly need more.

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    6. Re:Pffffft.... by nospam007 · · Score: 1

      > Lucas whining about "research" is laughable...

      I guess searching 'The Google' on the 'Internets' which cars are right for the era can be called 'research'.

    7. Re:Pffffft.... by mazarin5 · · Score: 0

      What's next, American Graffiti the next generation?

      It's about website defacement this time.
      "American Graffiti: The Lulz Generation"

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    8. Re:Pffffft.... by c · · Score: 4, Insightful

      > Seriously WTH is Lucas thinking, either come up with some new ideas or
      > sit on your money and quietly retire.

      If you kept coming up with stupid ideas, lousy plots, terrible actors, and every nerd on the planet still paid money to see it (often multiple times), do you think maybe you'd be getting a bit of a mixed message? What, is he supposed to listen to critics? If half your "fan base" consisted of people like "Comic Book Guy", you'd probably learn to ignore them pretty quickly.

      If you don't like Lucas' stuff, stop giving him your money.

      c.

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    9. Re:Pffffft.... by Narpak · · Score: 1

      I expect he just want to keep seeing his name in lights, and have magazines interview him.

    10. Re:Pffffft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Interesting

      See, I have an Idea for the Next Indy movie, not caring who is going to be the next Indy: As the mummy franchise has moved to China 1st emperor legend, and emergent world powers are popular these days, why Lucas can't go to the Brazilian world domination legend?

      Don Bosco was a Jesuit monk from the 18th century in Brazil and he compiled together various legends to prove that Brazil was the only real heir of the glory of Atlantis and hence destined to become the only world superpower.
      The legend goes something like this:
      Troy was founded by the last dynasty of Atlantes escaping from the cataclysm which drowned the whole continent. They lived in Troy until the war with the Athenians destroyed their city.
      Escaping from their doom, Troy's Royal family traveled through the Mediterranean to Gibraltar (and you can find old inscriptions in Gibraltar...) and then crossed the Atlantic Ocean to the shores of the State of Maranhao, Brazilian Northeast. There, they settled up, and create a complex of walled cities (the seven cities are a national park in Brazil with "ancient walls" made of mud, with strange inscriptions), and a big tower, which the remains you can see even today at Tutoia (from "Tower of Troy"), a small fishermen village and tourist spot in Brazilian Maranhao.
      They mixed with the local natives, and spread across the Brazilian coast, until different attacks from different civilizations ended the Troy heritage. There were Phoenicians raiders in the Region of Rio de Janeiro (where you can see the face of a Phoenician king carved on a huge mountain, the Pedra da Gavea, Gavea Rock), Chinese in the coasts of Bahia and Sergipe, and finally Vikings in the coasts of Para and Maranhao.
      The few survivors of the Troy civilization fled to the semi-deserted lands of Brazilian Sertao to hide.
      When King Don Manuel of Portugal fought and lost the battle of Alcacer-Kibir in Morrocco, He and his knights on order to escape the imminent massacre from the Saladin's troops, had to also flee on a ship, and after a long time in the sea, they finally saw a light, which the natives used to light up on the top of the former-tutoia, then (and now) in ruins.
      The King and his knights arrived in the Brazilian coast and met the ambassadors of the old Troy dynasty. They also mixed up (people do that a lot in Brazil...) and the King Don Manuel promised that one day he will come back to Portugal to make Portugal big again, and together with Brazil, create the super-powerful Lusitania, which will rule the world with an Iron fist (the whole Portuguese Fascism, called Salazarism, from the beginning of the 20th century, is based on this legend).
      The descendants of those two Royal houses, also had to flee from the raiders on the coast, and ended up finding other survivors of the Atlantis cataclysm which were living in caves at the Chapada dos Guimaraes (Highlands on the Brazilian State of Mato Grosso).
      With their advanced technology they helped to create the Inca Empire in Peru, and there they began their plan to reestablish themselves as the ruling world's dynasty.
      However, when the Spaniards destroyed the Inca Empire they had no option to hide again on the caves and underground.
      On the underground they built an empire, hiding themselves from the humankind on the surface. However, when the golden sages from the secret city of Aghartah (described by Helena Blavastky) found out the plans of the Brazilian underground empire, they waved a magic war, and sealed magically the empire doors.
      The keys for the doors where then scattered across the globe. Only the King Don Manuel resurrected would be able to get the 7 keys for the 7 doors together, and release the underground empire. That day, the King Don Manuel and the forces of the underground empire will fight and destroy all the Kings and governments of the world and Lusitania (Brazil and Portugal) will become the only ruling nation over all others. The Nazis had a special division, designated to find those Keys. One was supposedly found in the French Langedoc, Catar

    11. Re:Pffffft.... by whopub · · Score: 1

      And who here thinks that this statement: "The franchise really depends on me" Isn't just a bit egotistical... *cough*Phantom Menace*cough*

      I don't. I think you completely missed the point. Lucas knows that of the 3 people with some say on this (himself, Spielberg and Harrison Ford), he's the one most willing to do a 5th movie. And he knows he'll be able to convince the other two if he comes up with the right storyline. Just like what happened with this 4th movie. So, if we want a new Indy movie, we may as well start throwing ideas around, in hopes one sticks. The crystal skull idea was actually good. They just didn't dove deep enough. But how could they? The movie is not about crystal skulls, it's about us watching Indy do his stuff. Keep in mind that we love the character, so it could very well be 'Indiana Jones Drinks a Cold One', because we'd still want to see it. Of course they could do what the Batman people did, and come up with something dense, but they probably did Indy 4 in the same spirit we watch it: just for fun. And that's better than no movie at all. So the movie can afford not to be ground breaking. As long as it's shot properly and has Harrison for playing the role, it'll be worth it. And this is coming from a Kubrick loving movie snob. So yeah, I wish they went for Indy 5 with their minds set on doing the best movie yet. Completely ignoring all the big studio crap and conventions. But if that doesn't happen, another Crystal Skull is still welcome.

    12. Re:Pffffft.... by initialE · · Score: 1

      I don't know about you, but I'm going to give Clone Wars a miss.

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    13. Re:Pffffft.... by initialE · · Score: 1

      And that's better than no movie at all.

      Er really? In that case you wouldn't mind Indiana Jones doing all kinds of things to ruin your childhood memory of who he is? You prefer that Han didn't shoot first? You prefer to see lots of CIA agents with walkie talkies?

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    14. Re:Pffffft.... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "And Crystal Skull -- from what people have told me about it is even worse. Dealing with a completely fictional back story that doesn't represent anything presently known about the crystal skulls, nor anything that is written about widely in popular paranormal literature."

      Are you fucking retarded?

    15. Re:Pffffft.... by greenkite71 · · Score: 1

      Lucas has said on more than one occasion that he doesn't care what the critics or *the fans* think of his movies. I think that pretty much explains everything.

    16. Re:Pffffft.... by whopub · · Score: 1

      I just think Spielberg will be less inclined to screw up than Lucas. And Harrison Ford even less than Spielberg. So having the 3 on board will assure some quality control, even if we aren't to expect some sort of masterpiece. And no, I don't think a lesser film will screw up my childhood memories at all. I'll know the difference. Didn't you enjoy the last Batman movie? The crappy post Tim Burton and pre Christopher Nolan adaptations were just ignored. Not to mention the TV series. Argh! As for the 'walkie talkie' thing on ET, I can understand people's frustration. But I also think it would be nonsense, in real life, for police officers or CIA agents or whatever those guys were, to run gun-in-hand chasing a few kids in bikes! Of course the motivation of the director here counts too. So, if he changed it just 'thinking of the children' that will be watching the movie, trying to get a better rating, than it sucks. If he changed it because, like me, he figured out it didn't make sense, then I guess it's ok. I haven't seen the movie in decades, so keep that in mind in case I'm missing something...

  8. Something by Dan Brown? by wisty · · Score: 1

    I know, you could make a movie about this art critic, who stumbles on a a clue to a secret society. Only problem is, he already found the holy grail.

  9. characters by FateStayNight · · Score: 1

    I'd like to see more Indy movies but not if Shia LaBeouf is in it.

  10. Depressing by jabithew · · Score: 1

    "The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea." *sigh*

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  11. Shit by RinzeWind · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea

    We're fucked.

    1. Re:Shit by mikelieman · · Score: 2, Insightful

      The franchise is DEAD. This last iteration, "Indiana Jones and the Crystal McGuffin" put a bullet in it.

      George, STOP LISTENING TO THE PEOPLE TELLING YOU THAT YOU'RE GOOD.

      They're lying to you.

      Your last good idea you had was hiring Irvin Kershner and Leigh Brackett and Lawrence Kasdan for Empire.

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    2. Re:Shit by ontheroll · · Score: 1

      Only if we go watching his next movie.

      Luckily, salvation is relativley easy - abscenece (or just watching re-runs of Raiders of The Lost Ark for good measure)

    3. Re:Shit by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 2

      No, we aren't. Sorry if you don't agree, but I quite enjoyed his newer work, as well as his older. Hell, Episode 3 was the crowning achievement in the Star Wars saga, what with having an actual interesting plot and all.

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    4. Re:Shit by AdamThor · · Score: 1

      The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea

      George. It really doesn't. You could hire someone. It would be ok.

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    5. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      the franchise died with the first shot of the latest film which was a frikkin CGI gopher.

    6. Re:Shit by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

      Episode 3 was the crowning achievement in the Star Wars saga, what with having an actual interesting plot and all.

      You must have missed this one.

    7. Re:Shit by retchdog · · Score: 1

      I agree, it's such an interesting plot that it would have warranted coverage by 2 or even 3 movies. Instead we got Phantom Menace, and some auxiliary coverage in a mediocre direct-to-video cartoon series (and the "new" direct-to-kiddie-cinema CGI remix thereof) appreciable only by Tartakovsky fans.

      I enjoyed SW3 too, but it is only more evidence that Lucas wasn't very good at executing the prequels. I even accept that he had to generate new characters and merchandising opportunities; that is fine, and it could still have been incorporated into the legitimate plotline. The prequels were just badly done.

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    8. Re:Shit by WrongMonkey · · Score: 5, Funny

      Hell, Episode 3 was the crowning achievement in the Star Wars saga, what with having an actual interesting plot and all.

      NoooooOOOOOOOooooooo!

    9. Re:Shit by VoidEngineer · · Score: 2, Informative

      Actually, from what I understand, Ford signed up for 5 movies in his original contract. There was a massive delay between #3 and #4 because Lucas was insistent on doing one with aliens, and Ford kept balking at the script (justifiably so, imho). They finally found a script that was tolerable, considering the plot concept, and it got made. But Ford is still signed up for one more movie. So, regardless of people telling Lucas that he's good or not, there's one more movie to be made, according to the contracts.

    10. Re:Shit by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Hell, Episode 3 was the crowning achievement in the Star Wars saga, what with having an actual interesting plot and all.

      You're breaking my heart!

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    11. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, you can't go wrong with Nazis.

    12. Re:Shit by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      Uh, I watched it, and it was easily the worst of the original trilogy. Better than Episode I, but that's about it.

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    13. Re:Shit by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      I never said there was good dialogue, to be fair. I also wouldn't say any of the Star Wars flicks have had particularly good dialogue, so that isn't a crime I would hold against that movie in particular.

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    14. Re:Shit by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      I never said there was good dialogue, to be fair. I also wouldn't say any of the Star Wars flicks have had particularly good dialogue, so that isn't a crime I would hold against that movie in particular.

      There's a difference between dull dialogue and really bad dialogue. EpIII earned its reputation. Sorry.

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    15. Re:Shit by bigstrat2003 · · Score: 1

      You can pick bad dialogue out of any Star Wars movie. The classic example is Han and Leia's exchange towards the end of Empire Strikes Back. "I know" as a response to a declaration of love is every bit as bad as "You're breaking my heart!". Sorry, but EpIII did not earn its reputation. Fans who put the originals on too high a pedestal gave the movie its reputation, not the quality of the movie itself.

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    16. Re:Shit by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      The classic example is Han and Leia's exchange towards the end of Empire Strikes Back. "I know" as a response to a declaration of love is every bit as bad as "You're breaking my heart!".

      ... You're joking, right? It's funny, really, if you were talking about that line when it showed up again in Return of the Jedi, I'd agree with you. But Empire? As bad as "you're breaking my heart?". Uh, sorry, no. In Empire, we got a slightly deeper peek into Han Solo. In Revenge, we got a slightly deeper peek into just how terrible George is at writing dialogue.

      Fans who put the originals on too high a pedestal gave the movie its reputation, not the quality of the movie itself.

      Wrong on both counts. All three of the prequels were riddled with problems and almost completely devoid of redeeming value other than some nice eye-candy. The Phantom Menace, for example, featured a cute little boy with Star Trekkian sensor-readings that claim that he's special that 'accidented' his way into being a hero in the end. Accompanying him was Jar Jar, a clumsy creature that strained the term 'comic relief', two droids, a young queen, and two Jedi who were 'charismatic' enough to put Robin Williams to sleep. They went on an adventure across the stars to ... put a stop to a trade blockade.... masterminded by creatures that were sadly unconvincing. Nothing in there about the original trilogy. It's just dull. Dull dull dull. And that's only the first of the three. Thankfully, it's also the least offensive.

      It's nice that you enjoyed them because it means you didn't waste your time or your money. Frankly, I envy you for that. But, dude, the prequels are bad. They're not bad because other movies were better, they're bad because they're bad. George Lucas lost something in the mid 80's and never got it back. I wasn't sure of that until I saw Indy 4. His writing has become so sophomoric that he has to defend himself in interviews by blaming the fans and claiming that he's paying homages to other movies. Not good.

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    17. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Your taste would rank high among H.P. Lovecraft stories.

    18. Re:Shit by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      DO NOT WANT

      Fixed that for you.

    19. Re:Shit by grahamd0 · · Score: 1

      it was easily the worst of the original trilogy.

      You are, of course, entitled to your own opinion, but I'm pretty sure you're alone on that one.

  12. Indiana Jones... by PJCRP · · Score: 2, Funny

    And The Raiders of the Lost Death Star? Temple of the Lost Jedi? Last Strike of the Empire?

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    1. Re:Indiana Jones... by JoeDuncan · · Score: 1

      Indiana Jones: A New Treasure? Strikes Back? and the Return of the Archaeologists? and the Revenge of the Nazis?

  13. Maybe I am strange... by Psychotria · · Score: 1

    ... but "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis" seems like it could be ok.

    1. Re:Maybe I am strange... by bennomatic · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Picture that movie in 3-D! With an NC-17 rating...

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    2. Re:Maybe I am strange... by Rogerborg · · Score: 3, Interesting

      If they want to keep Ford in it, then they're going to have to move the setting to a nursing home, which would segue nicely with the Elvis angle.

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    3. Re:Maybe I am strange... by 1u3hr · · Score: 4, Informative
      ... but "Mutt Williams and the search for Elvis" seems like it could be ok.

      Check out Bubba Ho-Tep. It's got mummies. It's got Elvis. It's got BRUCE CAMPBELL.

    4. Re:Maybe I am strange... by blind+biker · · Score: 1

      i had a look at the trailers, and to me that movie looks like a winner.

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    5. Re:Maybe I am strange... by xbytor · · Score: 3, Insightful

      It also has a black JFK. What's not to like about this movie?

  14. More? by Xelios · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and The Quest to Regain His Dignity...

    Or why don't we just cut right to the chase to keep this franchise going another 20 years:

    That Kid From Transformers and Indiana Jones

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  15. If they want to revive the franchise... by iapetus · · Score: 5, Funny

    Indiana Jones and the Still Beating Heart of George Lucas

    Seriously, if the franchise really depends on Lucas coming up with a good idea, they might as well call it a day right now.

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  16. Outside the box by UnixUnix · · Score: 1
    Indiana Jones and the Wedding Rings of Princess Leia and Captain Picard

    [to be married on the Andromeda]

  17. The latest indy by TheLink · · Score: 4, Informative

    I actually set my expectations low, cranked my IQ down and set suspension of disbelief to high. After all it's Indy Jones, you're not supposed to be thinking too much.

    But when Indy Jones did the ball bearings stuff, those Standard Indy settings started to show their shortcomings... I went "OK turn off physics"

    Things totally fell apart when Tarzan Boy started swinging from tree to tree. I had to do some major changes at that point. How does that add to the story line or show?

    I enjoyed the first one and temple of doom was ok. This one, save your money/bandwidth. Go watch something else. I heard Batman is good.

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    1. Re:The latest indy by mcvos · · Score: 4, Insightful

      I enjoyed the first one and temple of doom was ok.

      Please tell me you've seen The Last Crusade. That's possibly the best of the bunch, certainly rivaling Raiders.

    2. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      Good books are a waste of paper.

      Just find a good hobby instead.

    3. Re:The latest indy by Don_dumb · · Score: 1

      The Last Crusade was also the big clue that Indy had finished - "The Last Crusade"
      I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL, once Indy had found that (and eternal life, which he turned down) there was nowhere else for him to go. Everything will seem a anticlimax and (as happened) silliness needs to be added to try and make up for that.

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    4. Re:The latest indy by Jeremy+Erwin · · Score: 5, Funny

      I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL

      Archaeology is the search for fact. Not truth.So forget any ideas you've got about lost cities, exotic travel, and digging up the world. We do not follow maps to buried treasure and "X" never, ever, marks the spot.

    5. Re:The latest indy by TheLink · · Score: 1

      Agh. I meant Last Crusade instead of Temple of Doom!

      *smacks head*

      See that's what happens when you keep tweaking your brain settings for movies ;).

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    6. Re:The latest indy by Khuffie · · Score: 1

      I just watched that one again yesterday. I loved that intro, because I knew that the movie would totally go against all that was said in that sentence.

    7. Re:The latest indy by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 5, Insightful

      I was disappointed at the latest Indy as well. It simply lacks the "mystic aura" that the other Indy movies have.

      Raiders of the lost Ark: Ancient egyptian maps. Booby traps. The second half of a map that the Nazis lack. An infinitely powerful artifact. GOD's power.

      Indiana Jones and the temple of Doom: Evil cults engaged in bloodthirsty rituals. The stones of the gods. Actual jungles with vampires. Passageways filled with all kind of creepy bugs.

      Indiana Jones and the Last Crusade: Medieval writings of a Franciscan Friar. Biblical elements. The cup of Christ. Ancient roman catacombs hidden below a Church turned Library. A society designed to protect the secret of the grail. Henry Jone's Grail Diary. The canyon of the crescent moon. Three lethal tests to prove your faith.

      Indiana Jones and the Kingdom of the Crystal Skull: Whee, communists searching for alien artifacts in a jungle so fake it looks like a walk in the park! Hey, is that James Dean? Whee, look, aliens!

      I want my childhood back! :( :( :(

    8. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      He has. His hobby is trolling slashdot.

    9. Re:The latest indy by Boronx · · Score: 2, Insightful

      ********* SPOILER *************

      Mostly agreed, but they did one up the last crusade with the Atom Bomb, an artifact that was thoroughly modern and far more dangerous and powerful than any of the mythological stuff Indy had run into before.

      It's an interesting comparison with Raiders: Hitler wanted the Ark (and the Grail) so that his armies of darkness could march over the face of the earth. Americans simply built a better ark.

    10. Re:The latest indy by Hes+Nikke · · Score: 1

      May I recommend 1984?

      I think Lucas needs a kaleidoscope like they have in the fiction department.

      *Ka-Chink* North Karea *Ka-Chink* Spaghetti *Ka-Chink* Tuba *Ka-Chink* Time Travel

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    11. Re:The latest indy by catmistake · · Score: 1

      Lucas frames any adventures of Jones by using an unmentioned feature of the franchise. The movie titleing more than insinuates that the story comes from the pages of comics. If something is drawn fantastic enough, anything is possible in comics. Unfortunately, there is no previous comic hero or stories of Indy's adventures that we all grew up reading or collecting. Also, use of titleing as a replacement for a true literary frame will be often missed because no one talks about the covers of books (or movie posters or movie titleing). Generally, the cover of a book isn't part of the story it contains. But with comics it usually is.

    12. Re:The latest indy by bignetbuy · · Score: 1

      Well said. Even the previews of the latest Indy flick looked fake and superficial. All action but an awful plot.

      If I had mod points, you'd get them.

    13. Re:The latest indy by nine-times · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I actually set my expectations low, cranked my IQ down and set suspension of disbelief to high. After all it's Indy Jones, you're not supposed to be thinking too much.

      I don't mean this as an attack on you, but I *hate* when people say that about movies. "Hey, it's just a fun movie. Turn your brain off and have fun!" No. I'm all for suspension of disbelief, but only when a movie earns it. A good movie (even if it's just a fun movie) sucks you in and makes you to suspend your disbelief. If you have to put effort into suspending your disbelief, then the movie isn't doing its job. If you have to fight with yourself to ignore the stupidity, then it's just a bad movie.

      Now believe me, I don't nit-pick. I loved the first Matrix movie, the first Indiana Jones. The original Star Wars trilogy, Pirates of the Caribbean, Spiderman, the recent Batman movies and old Superman movies (1&2). I could go on and on, and all of these movies have their problems. There are things that are physically impossible, and plenty of unexplained plot-holes that you can catch if you're looking at them with a particularly critical eye.

      BUT!!! If you watch them in a state of mind that's neutral, I think you'll probably find them to be enjoyable without trying (ok, the Superman movies haven't aged that well). But beyond the enjoyability factor, each of them also has a certain degree of depth and quality. It's clear that they were crafted by some people will skill and talent, and there's some mythological value. They're commenting on our world, our times, our society. They're revealing things about what we think about heroism and life. They wouldn't be enjoyable if they weren't successfully pushing some serious psychological buttons.

      So when people think "these sorts of movies are fun, just turn off your brain", I think it's missing the point, and it's being overly-dismissive of the value of *good* fantasy/adventure stories. You shouldn't have to turn off your brain. The movie should convince you to forgive a couple flaws because, ignoring those flaws, it's a damn good piece of work.

      So back to the topic at hand: Lucas is currently a crappy film-maker. It seems like he didn't used to be, but he is now. The latest Indiana Jones doesn't earn the suspension of disbelief necessary to forgive its faults. Even before the fridge gets nuked, there's the magnetic crap, the overly-convenient rocket-train, and a nuclear test site that's overly-accessible without warning signs. Not a damned thing in the movie made sense, the characters weren't believable, and the story didn't fit into the Indiana Jones universe.

      I think part of the problem is the Lucas has bought into the idea that it's good to make movies where you "turn your brain off and have fun." So rather than making anything good, he makes movies filled with precocious children, lame actions scenes, and characters literally yelling, "Wooohooo!" It's all retarded, and we should just stop giving the man the benefit of the doubt.

      I think this is as good a case as any to support short copyright terms. Star Wars should have become public domain 10 years ago, and filmmakers with talent should be allowed to have a go at making a new Indiana Jones story.

    14. Re:The latest indy by bckrispi · · Score: 3, Interesting
      I got the same feeling. What's the point in chasing after an artifact that gives you a tactical advantage on the battlefield (the Ark, possibly the grail) when both Superpowers now have weapons capable of incinerating entire nations? The Zeitgeist of the film was certainly different than its predecessors. In Raiders, academics were trusted by their government and honored for their expertise. In Crystal Skull, they were distrusted as possible Communists. It was a different America, and the film captured that feeling very well.

      And, like the insipid prequel-bashing that goes on here, much of the hate directed at crystal skull was widely undeserved. It had some flaws, but it was still a fun adventure flick.

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    15. Re:The latest indy by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

      My favourites are also raiders and last crusade. Temple of Doom I have always found to be the weakest of the first three.

      Maybe odd-numbered Indiana Jones movies are the winners. :)

      I really enjoyed The Last Crusade.

      Everything was firing on all cylinders and because the sequel came close enough to the other movies they could use "in" jokes that made it a lot of fun.

      Also the dynamic between Sean Connery and Harrison Ford was really good.

    16. Re:The latest indy by Verteiron · · Score: 1

      Someone needs to do a re-edit like what happened with the Phantom Menace. Fans edited that movie into something a damn sight better than Lucas's version. Hopefully they'll do the same for Indy 4 and we'll have a fun, watchable movie.

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    17. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL

      Not really. I'm no archaeologist either, but several of my friends are (professionals, no less) and I took a few courses in college. Suffice it to say, archaeologists are not relic hunters. They want to unearth all the mundane, boring details of how a people actually lived: what they ate, what they built, what tools they made, who they married, how they marked kinship, etc. A single artifact generally won't tell you much, regardless of its historical import; exceptions being things like the Rosetta stone which make sense of many other artifacts. Most artifacts are useless without their original context (aka surroundings). Statistically significant sample sizes are far more important than individual items.

      Some burning questions in archaeology are: What happened to the Neanderthals? Extinction, interbreeding, or remnant populations? How did man first settle the Americas? Coastal or inland migration? Did the Clovis people evolve into later groups, or were they displaced by a second migration? Questions like these can't be answered by single artifacts. Granted, subdisciplines like biblical archaeology probably have a slightly different take on things, but the truth is that there simply is no holy grail in the sense you mean.

    18. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I am not an archaeologist but I would imagine that the holy grail of Archaeology is THE HOLY GRAIL

      Not really. I'm no archaeologist either, but several of my friends are (professionals, no less) and I took a few courses in college. Suffice it to say, archaeologists are not relic hunters.

      Not to mention that the grail is an artifact which is only of importance to followers of Jesus. Assuming that Jesus was an actual person (and not a composite of several middle-eastern cult leaders circa 2000 years ago), and that the Last Supper actually happened as described, and that someone there at the time thought the cup was important enough to preserve, there's still very little chance that the followers of Jesus who wrote the story down decades later would have any idea where it was or what it looked like.

      Even if you did find a likely candidate for a grail, how on earth could you confirm that it was indeed THE "Holy Grail"?

    19. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Even if you did find a likely candidate for a grail, how on earth could you confirm that it was indeed THE "Holy Grail"?

      That's easy. The invisible bridge and the 800 year old knight are dead giveaways.

    20. Re:The latest indy by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > That's easy. The invisible bridge and the 800 year old knight are dead giveaways.

      "The blue one. --No, the yellow.... aaaaaargghhhh!!!"

      "He chose ...poorly."

  18. New Film by Wowsers · · Score: 1

    We could call the new film "Indiana Jones: A Bridge Too Far". It describes Indiana going to Europe in search of a decent Lucas script, but Indiana pushed so far and fast across Europe he got bogged down in Arnhem (he forgot his whip), his lackey cannot help Indy because he can't land because of fog. Indiana meets intense local opposition saying "enough of the franchises and rubbish scripts." So Indiana gets beaten back and returns home empty handed.

    The film will later be re-released in THX certified, ultra-cleaned up digital transfer HiDef with additional scenes to hide the lack of continuity and script errors in the original release.

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  19. Somebody stop him by biscuitlover · · Score: 1

    George Lucas... new ideas... George Lucas... new ideas... nope, that just doesn't sound right.

    Seriously, if George Lucas was any good at coming up with new ideas then maybe we'd have seen some new movies in the last 10 years instead of having to look on in horror as he mercilessly butchers old classics which he knows will keep him swimming in caviar for the next decade.

    I mean, if left to his own devices next thing you know he'll have a camp Vader screaming 'noooooooooo' at the sky or something. Oh hang on....

    1. Re:Somebody stop him by dzfoo · · Score: 0

      >> I mean, if left to his own devices next thing you know he'll have a camp Vader screaming 'noooooooooo' at the sky or something. Oh hang on....

      My parents sent me to Camp Vader when I was a kid. That was really not cool. I still have the scars.

      However, there was this fat kid who learned how to use the lightsaber... We would all laughed at him and beat him up when our Sith Councelors weren't around.

                -dZ.

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    2. Re:Somebody stop him by Dogtanian · · Score: 1

      I mean, if left to his own devices next thing you know he'll have a camp Vader screaming 'noooooooooo' at the sky or something.

      I've only one response to that idea- "Do Not Want".

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  20. Lucas has it right under his nose...errr chin. by lantastik · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and the Search for the Giant Goiter

  21. If he's taking fan requests..... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    Can we please have a death match between Jar-Jar Binks and Shia LaBeouf? That would be about the only thing that would drag me back into the theater after the last one. The one thing Indy can't seem to dig up is a decent script.

  22. The Amulet of Yendor by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That wasn't hard.

    1. Re:The Amulet of Yendor by YttriumOxide · · Score: 1

      I would seriously pay good money to watch a movie based on Nethack! It has to be complete though - dwarvish mines, the town, the castle, elemental planes at the end, everything. I think Sokoban should either be skipped or glossed over though - it might be a little dull in movie form ;)

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  23. Young Indiana Jones by toxygen01 · · Score: 1

    I don't know about others, but I would love to see new series of Young Indiana Jones which used to be aired in '92 and later. Many people rates it very low, but for me it was very educating serie and was the only thing I used to watch in a TV when I was young.

    1. Re:Young Indiana Jones by mcvos · · Score: 1

      I don't know about others, but I would love to see new series of Young Indiana Jones which used to be aired in '92 and later.
      Many people rates it very low, but for me it was very educating serie and was the only thing I used to watch in a TV when I was young.

      I've missed most of it, but the few bits I saw were good. I'd love to see more of Young Indy. And if it works out, he could eventually grow up to be Big Indy.

      But wasn't that River Phoenix? Because he's not young anymore, and also dead. Or was he only Young Indy in The Last Crusade?

    2. Re:Young Indiana Jones by Drathos · · Score: 1

      No. In the Young Indy series, it was Sean Patrick Flanery. River Phoenix was only in Last Crusade.

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    3. Re:Young Indiana Jones by Fritzed · · Score: 1

      Didn't you read the article? George Lucas will never allow an "Indiana Jones" without Harrison Ford. George Lucas is a man of his word and never changes his stance, especially not for money. Clearly, this "Young Indiana Jones" that you speak of was a figment of your imagination. . .

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  24. Incredibly lame by HEbGb · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Lucas is going to completely destroy the franchise, just like he did with Star Wars. Clearly he has no new ideas whatsoever, as he's prefer to spend his energy squeezing every drop of life out of a one-successful brand rather than continue to create new quality films. He should be ashamed of himself.

    1. Re:Incredibly lame by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 2, Insightful

      What do you mean 'going to'?

    2. Re:Incredibly lame by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Indiana Jones and the Escape from Easter Island
      - tell the ancient story of them trying to get off the island before X happens via flashbacks he has interpreting clues. X can be a monster, non-super-powered-humanoid aliens or even better, just another tribe - leading into the 2nd movie. Maybe Angkor Wat, Egypt or China if we haven't nuked each other by then :)

      Plus it works for the 1930's-50's era too. Go Zepplins!

    3. Re:Incredibly lame by JackassJedi · · Score: 1

      I'd say let him do it; at least then we can have a convincing position to claim that all the Neo-Lucasian works are crap and basically non-canon.

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    4. Re:Incredibly lame by Tibor+the+Hun · · Score: 1

      No, you're quite wrong.
      Remember that one scene, where the crazy Arab is doing his thing, and Indy simply pulls out his gun and shoots him?
      That scene is all wrong, due to editing restraints, we don't get to see that in fact, the Arab shot at Indy first (but missed), so Indy shot him in self-defense.

      I hope that they show that in remastered trilogy. I don't want my kids to grow up thinking that Indy jones is a ruthless murderer.

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    5. Re:Incredibly lame by 427_ci_505 · · Score: 1

      ...why? That part was the funniest in any IJ movie.

  25. Fountain of Youth by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    'Cause, you know, ILM can only do so much...

  26. Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis by dalmiroy2k · · Score: 4, Interesting
    1. Re:Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Mod parent up!
      mmhm Sophia.... A nerdy kid's wet dream

    2. Re:Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis by master_p · · Score: 1

      How can we reach mr Lucas to tell him that the fate of Atlantis is THE scenario for the next Indiana Jones? If we mass-mail him, he will start thinking about it seriously.

  27. Subject by Legion303 · · Score: 5, Insightful

    "The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea."

    George Lucas hasn't had a good idea since about 1982. Well, I guess not passing the fedora to Shia LaBeouf would be a good idea if Lucas had given the correct reason for it: Shia can't act.

  28. Breaking...Indy V working title by PietjeJantje · · Score: 2, Funny

    Following the big financial success of Indy IV, Lucas has decided to further pursue the theme of self parodying absurdities.
    Mel Brooks has been cast as the new Indy. Rick Moranis is close to being signed as the new bad guy.
    Work title: Indiana Jones and The Power of The Schwartz.

    1. Re:Breaking...Indy V working title by Cylix · · Score: 1

      I like it...

      Except replace brooks with Mel Gibson, make him an escaped mental patient who thinks he is a cop and make Rick Moranis his weak willed therapist trying to bring him back!

      Mel Gibson believes himself to be a cop is trying to solve a case.

      Then twist it up and make him right and then make it a semi-action flick. (Mel Gibson still being insane and not a cop.)

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    2. Re:Breaking...Indy V working title by rhyder128k · · Score: 1

      George could make it so the lady cop calls him sugar tits first.

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  29. -pedantic by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Okay, maybe '58 Impalas but '57 sounds cooler.

    1. Re:-pedantic by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      58? no, there will be 462 of them!

    2. Re:-pedantic by KGIII · · Score: 1

      Chevy used the name in '56. FWIW the obscure named automobile might make the story just a wee bit more amusing.

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  30. Here comes the cross over by Layth · · Score: 2, Funny

    Indiana Jones and the Portal of Tatooine

    "Dr. Jones discovers the lost continent of Atlantis, containing a portal that jarringly thrusts him backwards though time, to a land far far away. After pooling resources with a seemingly kind hearted philanthropist by the name of palpatine, they leverage indi's scientific earth-knowledge of stem cells to construct a device that elicits a rapid growth in users midi-chlorian count. After mysteriously falling into the wrong hands, it becomes predictably obvious that the galaxies last, best hope for peace requires Jedi Jones to fly his ship into an enemies space station and blow it up from within."

  31. Use The Force, Luke(as) by strelitsa · · Score: 1

    If you liked Greedo shooting first or the FBI agent's guns morphing into walkie-talkies, you'll love the kinder gentler Indy as he takes on the Japanazi rats while snapping a copy of Al Gore's Earth In The Balance instead of that long leather symbol of the slavemasters of the old South.

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  32. Who judges whether or not it's a good idea? by thetoadwarrior · · Score: 1

    Because lets face it, the guy hasn't come up with a good idea in quite some time.

  33. I'll second that! by SuperMonkeyCube · · Score: 1
    In addition to the aforementioned Bruce Campbell and the savory plot points, it is also directed by Don Coscarelli. He was the director that brought us the Phantasm movies, and the not-quite-like-Andre-Norton-did-it-but-still-an-amusing-movie The Beastmaster.

    In general, at this point, I would be willing to say that I enjoy a sincere low-budget production over a self-inflated, egotistical one. If Lucas was going to make a Mutt movie, perhaps we should make him use a 16mm Bell & Howell with black & white film and a smaller crew. Then he could see what he was really made of. Let him shoot little serialized 6 minute shorts and they can show them before Spielberg's features.

  34. Richard Young by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 1

    No I'm talking about the bad guy he got The Hat from. I recognised The Hat, and saw he was digging up stuff so I assumed he was Indy.

    I didn't realise it was a flashback to his childhood.

    That was Richard Young who's been in a ton of stuff, including "The Ice Pirates". You're right, he would have made a good Indy.

    That's what Lucas should do is cast relatively unknowns (i.e. not big stars) and do a James Bond thing - as everyone else has suggested. Ford wasn't a big star when he was cast as Indy.

    1. Re:Richard Young by mcvos · · Score: 1

      That's what Lucas should do is cast relatively unknowns (i.e. not big stars) and do a James Bond thing - as everyone else has suggested. Ford wasn't a big star when he was cast as Indy.

      Originally he wanted Tom Selleck (Magnum PI) for the role. I'm glad they ended up with Harrison Ford.

    2. Re:Richard Young by TomRK1089 · · Score: 1

      Hey hey hey, no bashing Tom Selleck. Magnum PI was a great show. :D But yes, Harrison Ford probably was the best choice for Indy.

    3. Re:Richard Young by Oktober+Sunset · · Score: 1

      Then we would have to endure the Indy cycle as well as hte Bond cycle.

      The bond cycle for those who don't know, is where they start of with a good film, then then add more gadgets and stupid stunts to outdo the last one, this continues until you get a piece of shit like Moonraker or Die Another Day. Then they decide they have to go back to basics and restart the Bond cycle (usually with a new actor) with something like Goldeneye, or Casino Royale, where it's actually based on the character of Bond rather than stupid gadget cars.

      Anyway, it seems in this world of undying franchises there is developing the same cycle for all of them, it just remains to see what happens to hte new batman films, will some idiot decide they need to be more family friendly, thus requiring it to get restarted again? Will they redoot Indie? who knows, but maybe we should kill george lucas now...

    4. Re:Richard Young by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      Ford wasn't a big star when he was cast as Indy.

      How old are you? Or, what planet are you from? Harrison had already done two of the three Star Wars films and a couple other things that were very popular, even at that time. He was very well known.

      Hint:

      • American Graffiti: 1973
      • Apocalypse Now: 1979
      • Star Wars IV: 1977
      • Star Wars V: 1979
      • Raiders of the Lost Ark: 1981
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    5. Re:Richard Young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      None for you, Tom Selleck! You've had yours!

    6. Re:Richard Young by bennomatic · · Score: 1

      OK, it's been a long time since I've seen American Graffiti, so I won't comment on that. But his role in Apocalypse now was teeny tiny; hardly "big star" material. But the two SW movies I'll agree with.

      And when was Guns of Navarone? Wasn't he in that, too?

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    7. Re:Richard Young by Mark+J+Tilford · · Score: 1

      He was in the sequel "Force 10 from Navarone" (1978).

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    8. Re:Richard Young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How old are you? Or, what planet are you from? Harrison had already done two of the three Star Wars films and a couple other things that were very popular, even at that time. He was very well known.

      Star Wars put him on the map. Raiders made him a household name!

    9. Re:Richard Young by xanadu-xtroot.com · · Score: 1

      Star Wars put him on the map. Raiders made him a household name!

      Indeed. I could've been a bit more clear in my initial response. I was just trying to point out that he was far from unknown from the mid to late 70's on, as the OP was suggesting (or at the very least, prior to Raiders).

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    10. Re:Richard Young by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I was just trying to point out that he was far from unknown from the mid to late 70's on, as the OP was suggesting (or at the very least, prior to Raiders).

      All he said was that Ford wasn't a "big star" when he was cast as Indy. He's right.

      There's a difference between being "well known" and being a "big star," i.e. a box-office draw. Tom Selleck wasn't a big star then either.

  35. In don't know... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 1

    a movie based on a video game that was based on a movie that was based on a movie serial from the 40's (IIRC) that was based on pulp fiction novels...phew! Wouldn't that suffer from idea degeneration? - like making a copy of a copy of a copy of a ....

  36. There's a problem... by BitterOldGUy · · Score: 1

    what happens if Indy comes face to face with Hans Solo?!?

    1. Re:There's a problem... by strelitsa · · Score: 1

      He'll buy Hans a schnapps and ask him for a ride in the Jahrtausendfalke?

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  37. new with by referal · · Score: 1

    The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea... hmmm Elechub

  38. fail by nzeer · · Score: 1

    'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea...' You have proven again and again that you are completely out of, not just good but any captivating, ideas. Give it up. We loathe you and await your departure eagerly, so you will stop raping our childhood heros repeatedly to feed your ego.

  39. Lucas style research by heroine · · Score: 1

    For George, researching a movie means researching the copy protection for the movie.

  40. Fate of Atlantis by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 2, Interesting

    To anyone who's played Indiana Jones and the Fate of Atlantis, why don't/didn't they make that into a movie? Thought the story line was great and would have made a watchable movie.

  41. It's all part of the Legacy by Layth · · Score: 1

    It makes sense for these two characters to look so similar.
    You see, Han Solo is actually a relic of Jedi Jones, left over from the clone wars.

  42. No, you've got it wrong... by Orleron · · Score: 1
    The next trilogy will be:
    Indiana Jones and The Marketing Campaign of Doom

    Indiana Jones and The Teenie Boppers Who Eat This Stuff Up

    Indiana Jones and The Oh Fuck It Just Give Me Cash

  43. come on guys! by ramul · · Score: 2, Insightful
    george lucas' attitude makes for unintentional humour sometimes if you ask me

    eg anakin and his bitch rolling around in field of grass . ahhh, heartwarming

  44. tribbles by speedtux · · Score: 0

    Tribbles invade William Shatner's hairpiece? No, wait, that was the other one that just won't go away.

  45. Obviously theres a market for it! by voss · · Score: 3, Interesting

    711 million worldwide box office.

    Harrison Ford looked pretty good in the current film, I think they were just let down by the script and the film still did well.

    The main problem for any sequel with the current film is that it gave indy his happy ending, theres nowhere to go with the character....

    1. Re:Obviously theres a market for it! by andi75 · · Score: 1

      He's got family now? No Motivation left to go treasure hunting?

      Just kill them all. Works like a charm every time.

  46. Lucas needs a reality call by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1

    'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea.'

    So I guess now we will get the ideas of "DVD set of first three, DVD set of all four, Cartoon network series, CGI redux of series, DVD release of cartoon, DVD release of CGI, DVD release of all four with cartoon, DVD release of all four with CGI, DVD release of all four with cartoon and CGI....

    He's just a fountain of ideas...

  47. "Indiana Jones . . . by holychicken · · Score: 1

    . . . and the Stuff That Matters"

  48. "Sometimes, dead is better." by John+Guilt · · Score: 2, Funny

    When we saw "Pet Sematary" at a horror movie marathon, we were all getting a bit tired, so the comments flew fast. A major line in the film, referring to a spot of ground with the ability to resurrect pets buried in't (but it brings them back...wrong), was "Anyone ever bury a person up there?"

    When, in the film, a truck crashed and totalled, , someone yelled out, "Anyone ever bury a truck up there?" I forget if it were I or my dear who shouted, "Anyone ever bury a script up there?

    "Anyone ever bury a franchise up there?" Yes, Timmy, by all appearances, someone did.

  49. Well, we have to get with the times by zogger · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and the Search for the Low Interest Rate Fixed Mortgage

    Indiana Jones and the Quest for the 50 MPG Car

    Indiana Jones and the Hunt for a Politician who isn't Corrupt and Stupid

    Indiana Jones and the Case of the Evil Shareholder Value

    Indiana Jones and the Expedition for Desktop Linux Preinstalled

    Indiana Jones and the Navigation of the Internet Without a Functioning DNS

    Indiana Jones and the Search for an Electric Car That Doesn't Cost More Than Making This Movie

    Indiana Jones and the Development of a Cheap Working Shuttle Replacement

    Indiana Jones and the Temple of Starbucks

  50. Dude, you *so* missed this one: by smittyoneeach · · Score: 1

    "Indiana Jones in Reefer Madness II: Goin' Nucular"

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  51. Part V by loafula · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and the Played-Out Franchise

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  52. Mekanism - Ghost Ship - Artifact Cache by Gnashly · · Score: 1

    He should write a story about the Ancient Computer, and how it was used to pilot ghost ships and his quest to rebuild one with its original program to find a famous cache of lost artifacts. Timed for release when the Mekanism is decoded.

  53. So the film is already dead before it starts by SilverJets · · Score: 1

    According to George Lucas, 'The franchise really depends on me coming up with a good idea.

    Lucas hasn't had a good idea in decades so there is no fear that he'll produce another one of his cinematic abortions.

  54. Set it in South Fla by grumling · · Score: 2, Insightful

    ' Lucas 'scoffed at the possibility of passing the famed fedora from Ford to Shia LaBeouf,'

    Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth.

    After all, Harrison Ford is eligible for Medicare as of last year.

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    1. Re:Set it in South Fla by IdahoEv · · Score: 1

      That's actually not the worst idea I've ever heard.

      Some of the better reviews of the recent schlock pointed out that Indy movies do best when the object he's searching for is one everyone already understands: the ark of the covenant, or the holy grail. When it's something the audience has never heard of (Ankara stones? "Magnetic" crystal skulls?), the movie has to waste most of its time explaining why the quest is interesting, instead of just showing us the action.

      Everyone knows why the fountain of youth is interesting.
       

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  55. Close, but no cigar. by Chmcginn · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and The Oh Fuck It Just Give Me Cash

    Indian Jones and the Continued Raping of your Childhood Unless You Give Me Cash I didn't go see it, precisely because I knew it was going to be horrible. If I could, I'd delete all the trailers & ads I've seen from my brain.

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  56. Ever played the graphic adventure? by Spy+der+Mann · · Score: 2, Insightful

    I was a big fan of Lucasfilm's Indy games. The Last Crusade took me back to enjoying the "hidden parts that never appeared in the movie".

    But the Fate of Atlantis was even better. Just take a look at some Indy 4 screenshots.

    First of all, you got this archaeological dig in Iceland. Then the Azores. Then the mayan jungle of Tikal. Also, you make a stop at Monaco and have a seance with the holder of an ancient atlantean disc. AND you have to rescue him from being kidnapped by the Nazis. Later, you go to the desert and have to deal with a greedy arab merchant. Later you take a balloon to Crete and find yourself trapped in THE labyrinth. Finally you have to steal a Nazi U-boat and get to the mythical city of Atlantis. And then you have to explore a new concentric maze to find the chamber of the gods before the Nazis - not before having a secret encounter with Nur-Ab-Sal, the evil spirit posessing the body of your new girlfriend.

    This game became my new Indy standard, and this is why I wanted the Indy movie so much to have it. If you watched the latest Indy movie, play the game and you'll be more than cured.

    Ah, look, there's a youtube screenshot collection with Indy's theme playing on the background!

  57. stop beating around the bush... by griffman99h · · Score: 1
    Its obvious what the title should be.

    "Indiana Jones in The Battle for the Final MacGuffin"

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MacGuffin

  58. With apologies to Letterman... by jpellino · · Score: 1

    Top Ten Indiana Jones Sequel Pitches

    10. Indiana Jones and the Hernia of Doom
    9. Indiana Jones and the Island of Liver Spots
    8. Raiders of the Golden Medicine Cabinet
    7. Indiana Jones and the Crystal Kidney Stones
    6. Indiana Jones and the Temple of Fallen Arches
    5. Raiders of the Lost Car Keys
    4. Indiana Jones and the Wife Nearly Half His Age
    3. Indiana Jones and Pirates of Rehash Reef
    2. Raiders of the CG Lagoon
    And the number one Indiana Jones Sequel...
    1. Indiana Jones and th- Hey You Kids Get off My Lawn!

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  59. For the love of god and all that's holy, stop. by HiVizDiver · · Score: 1

    The last movie was actually awful. Shia LaBoeuf is terrible, Harrison Ford was even campier than usual, the effects were "eh", and the story? Forget it. Even John Hurt didn't have much to work with. Let's always speak fondly of the Indiana Jones Trilogy (ok, maybe not the second one) and never speak of kingdoms of crystal skulls again.

  60. Indiana Jones and the Fountain of Youth by borgheron · · Score: 1

    Since Harrison Ford is getting up there... I'm not sure he's up the physically demanding role of Indiana Jones anymore, but... hey... anything could happen.

    GC

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  61. Re: New Indy Movie by SilentBob0727 · · Score: 1

    As if you needed further evidence that George Lucas's "leave well enough alone already" detector is totally hosed...

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  62. Does it need saying? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Although ofcourse no other Indiana Jones could ever compare to Harrison Ford.

    There can only be one Sean Connery as well...

  63. How About Something Personal? by Bieeanda · · Score: 1

    Like, Indiana Jones and the Battle for Tenure.

  64. Am I the only person here? by The+Living+Fractal · · Score: 1

    I actually really liked IJ: KotCS. I have to admit though, I have a really nasty weakness for seriously unexpected plot twists, especially when they involve !! SPOILER ALERT !! SPOILER ALERT !! SPOILER ALERT !! aliens.

    I guess I'm the only one... oh well.

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    1. Re:Am I the only person here? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > I actually really liked IJ: KotCS.

      I liked it too, except...

      "Aliens. Why'd it have to be *aliens*?"

  65. /Facepalm by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Indiana Jones and The Search for More Money

    "and he's also looking into re-releasing the six "Star Wars" films using new 3-D technology"
    Oh dear god not again

  66. No... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...enough all ready. Time for something NEW, Lukas!

  67. Two really good film ideas by ukemike · · Score: 1

    That old fart had two really good film ideas. With the first idea he got two really good films, Star Wars and Empire, and then 4 (soon 5) crappy empty sequels. The second idea, Raiders, resulted in one really good movie and one passable movie out of 3 sequels. I feel sorry for the sad joke he's become.

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    1. Re:Two really good film ideas by bravecanadian · · Score: 1

      That old fart had two really good film ideas. With the first idea he got two really good films, Star Wars and Empire, and then 4 (soon 5) crappy empty sequels. The second idea, Raiders, resulted in one really good movie and one passable movie out of 3 sequels. I feel sorry for the sad joke he's become.

      I largely agree with you.. I especially can't imagine how movies as bad as the 3 prequels got made without someone telling him that some of the scenes/characters/actors/dialog were terrible. That and the Shia of the jungle scenes in the new IJ movie just make me laugh considering how the discussion for the development of something so stupid could have gone..

      On the other hand.. having two unique and enormously successful ideas isn't all that bad and I give him credit for creating those worlds that I so enjoyed. Self-made billionaires who pioneered a lot of the technology that everyone from independent filmmakers to crews working on large blockbuster projects rely on daily are hardly a joke.

      I just do the same thing with Star Wars and Indiana Jones that I do with the Matrix series.. I leave the terrible pre/sequels out of my collection and largely forget about them.

    2. Re:Two really good film ideas by mabhatter654 · · Score: 1

      I especially can't imagine how movies as bad as the 3 prequels got made without someone telling him that some of the scenes/characters/actors/dialog were terrible. That and the Shia of the jungle scenes in the new IJ movie just make me laugh considering how the discussion for the development of something so stupid could have gone..

      For the Star Wars, he cut nearly everybody out of dialog, even the actors saying the lines going so far to digitally rework lips in editing! The key thing to any kind of theater is the interplay of the dialog between actors. That's why Pixar runs multiple takes of their voice work FIRST until all the actors like it, then animate the "radio play".

      Lucas has money because he (and his company) is really good at doing effects on budget for everybody else. I think the prequels were like Id's Doom3. It doesn't matter if the movie sold, it's a showcase for what the company can do for other movies, and the marketing from past versions will cover costs because the budgets were watched very tightly. Lucas made profit even if no tickets were sold.

      My opinion is that the video game/comics/novel writers should write the movies and let Lucas input some vague ideas where he wants the story to go. Lucas' absence is what made those things work.

  68. DON'T GIVE HIM ANY IDEAS!!!! by zooblethorpe · · Score: 1

    Seriously. Things are bad enough.

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    "A four-foot prune."
  69. Better topics by dcam · · Score: 1

    Lucas could research better topics, namely why have all of his movies for the last 10 years sucked horribly?

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    1. Re:Better topics by dcam · · Score: 1

      No, a better idea: George Lucas - the search for intelligent life.

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  70. Southpark said it best by AbRASiON · · Score: 1

    I emplore ALL of you to go and check out the episode "Free Hat" from Matt and Trey at Southpark studios, probably one of my most favourite episodes of the series and sums up George Lucas perfectly, I think some of you Americans are lucky enough to be able to stream from their homepage for free now too, foreigners - try mininova, cable tv or your local DVD store.

    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Free_Hat

  71. Wow by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Why don't you cry more about how bad Lucas's movies are, just don't see them, stop wasting money on movies you don't like and stop wasting my brain space.

  72. The One That Will Never Be Made by DynaSoar · · Score: 1

    Indiana Jones and the New Version of Dukem Nukem.

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  73. Indiana Jones: and the Continent of Mu. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    This could be cool: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mu_%28lost_continent%29

  74. Already Found by bill_mcgonigle · · Score: 1

    Everyone knows why the fountain of youth is interesting.

    We've found the Fountain of Youth. It's called 'Pharmaceuticals'. Now we complain the fountain is too expensive and work out governmental ponzi schemes to pretend it isn't.

    "I'm gonna live forever and not pay a dime for it!" - unofficial AARP slogan

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