But the premise of the article isn't that sleazy sites will do this too, it's will this replace ads. My math says no, there is no way this can make money as fast as ads.
The premise of OP was "I sure hope, ads suck", and I said it will never replace ads because if you could make ad price ($0.003/minute) with JS mining, we'd all be doing it.
Sure, sleazy sites may ad to their ad revenue, wasting customer electricity (assuming they can do so at a way that the browser doesn't slow down so much as to make someone leave the site), but it doesn't look to be so valuable with JS CPU alone.
Based on the first/. article I saw addressing this issue, it said the pirate Bay could make 12k/month doing this, that could double their revenue at best, ad 10% at worse (estimated revenue from biased sources range from 100k (gross) to 10 million).
That's a site that has reduced value to advertisers though, a site with normal ad potential it wouldn't even be a blip.
so three impressions per a minutes (scrolling down a loud website) = $0.003/minute, this is across all devices, including relatively low power ones such as phones. (random estimation, not sure if the link is page view or ad view)
I pay.17/kWh (total electric bill divided by total usage, $.145 may be more accurate as it's the cumulative variable part).
We'll use 30 watts/minute for usage spike of a computer with any real power.
30 watt minutes =.5 watt hours =.0005 kWh = $0.000085 of electricity available to make up that $0.003 of ad view.
Sure these numbers include assumptions, but are 2 orders of magnitude too low. The only site where this makes any bit of sense is one that can't get traditional advertising.
Anyway, thanks for making be double check my gut assumptions, because I was just guessing until now.
I don't see how it could possibly be though. A more likely avenue to make this viable is giving JS access to the GPU.
Basically, if a short bit of JS mining is viable over an ad, it is making a higher return than the electricity used. In which case, I would mine 24/7 and make a decent amount of money, as would anyone else. We either end up hitting the point where mining for the time of a site visit is not worth it, or the currency allows unlimited coins.
If the GPU could be tapped, there is perhaps a shot at hitting the cost for the site visitor in electricity isn't so much more than the ad revenue forgone (call it a transaction fee), and is enough to make it worth it to put on your site.
I don't know what the ratio of ad revenue for a site like cracked vs the pirate bay is (cracked chosen because the ad scripts make it pretty much useless on my phone and lower end computer (a 2014 netbook) already), but for the pirate bay a 3x uptick would make it more viable than ads (estimated ad revenue 100k-
1million, I'm betting it's in the 100-500k range).
It gives a slight leg up to current residents over new ones, which I personally think is OK. It makes it harder to displace people through increased value.
I feel the same way about rent control.
Note, this is because I feel there is a non monetary benefit to people not being driven from their home, extended families forced apart, etc. It's an opinion, not a fact I suppose, but one I subscribe to.
They lump them into the payment for primary mortgages usually, because if you stop paying property taxes the government gets priority over the bank in repayment.
If I buy a house, and stop paying property taxes, the bank is screwed, not the government. What they do is make you pay one year of property taxes when you sign the mortgage (also insurance) and put it into escrow. Then, a certain amount of your monthly payment goes into the escrow, and they pay out when the bill is due (with adjustments made if the bills change).
Now 10% = $200/month seems crazy high to me. I've owned houses in three municipalities spread between two states. the prices varied between.75% and 1.25% of purchase price. Two of those municipalities charges based on assessed value which was well under the purchase price, but could change. The third charges on purchase price which meant they would never change.
Why do you say retail was never meant to be a career?
It seems like in the past it was a pretty decent career for many.
I've worked at a super market, and the previous generation were pretty well compensated and indeed saw it as a career.
Nobody was rich, and likely only the managers broke median income, but the bulk of people that were fulltime for over 5 years indeed had enough to live a reasonable life.
8 Million people are cashiers or retail sales, that's what, 6% of the workforce? all of those are supposed to be transient jobs?
Is in person credit card fraud really that significant?
I'd much rather they use some type of two factor auth for online stuff rather than add a PIN that shifts the burden if stolen, and provides more chances to grab my PIN and empty my bank account.
I've had fraudulent charges 3 times in my life, every single one was done online, the PIN is useless, and likely the chip makes a minimal impact (though it does render card cloning useless in theory).
The chip seems like a solution to a problem that wasn't really even that big of a problem.
In a previous article about this they said that the Pirate Bay could make as much as $12,000/month running this. That's money, but I suspect not what ads bring in.
I actually had a computer that would exhibit odd behavior, somewhat based on positioning.
I opened it up to change some RAM out of hopes it would be an inexpensive fix.
Ended up that is was a screw rolling around shorting stuff out (I found the loose screw), bigger than dust, but seems possible based on the symptoms described (your joke is what made me thing of it).
I'd say more likely a metal shaving that's a little bigger than dust.
Of course you're taking Dodge City numbers OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD and comparing them to annual rates in Chicago.
From the link: For instance, the adult residents of Dodge City faced a homicide rate of at least 165 per 100,000 adults per year, not sure where you get the the impression I used ten year data.
And, pertinent to the conversation, you're not distinguishing between people beaten to death while drunk or stabbed to death, etc. as opposed to those killed using openly carried firearms.
You're right, I used murder rates as a proxy for violence as it seemed to be the gist of the thread.
Didn't you're post encourage to cherry pick " Modern day Chicago is WILDLY more violent than anyplace in the frontier west.", I did a very quick search and found an article that listed multiple cities well over the rate of Chicago, not only does it appear that Chicago is not "WILDLY more violent", but actually the opposite is true.
Unless of course I take your premise that "OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD" will not lower the numbers for a city. I could in fact use stats for the last ten years of Chicago instead of just one, and get a more dramatic difference if you think that'd help make your point.
The most obvious example of this is tech, as manufacturing got cheaper (both from tech and worker abuse) prices did indeed drop for generic tech.
A company like Walmart or Amazon with very low margin is definitely passing on savings (I'm not making a moral judgement that either of these are good companies or it's the greater good, simply that they seem to aggressivenely cut costs, and do seem to pass that on to the consumer).
And if you have enough for it to really matter (doesn't even need to be much, a reasonable life insurance policy for example), get it all in a revocable trust, it will further streamline the disbursement.
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But the premise of the article isn't that sleazy sites will do this too, it's will this replace ads. My math says no, there is no way this can make money as fast as ads.
The premise of OP was "I sure hope, ads suck", and I said it will never replace ads because if you could make ad price ($0.003/minute) with JS mining, we'd all be doing it.
Sure, sleazy sites may ad to their ad revenue, wasting customer electricity (assuming they can do so at a way that the browser doesn't slow down so much as to make someone leave the site), but it doesn't look to be so valuable with JS CPU alone.
Based on the first /. article I saw addressing this issue, it said the pirate Bay could make 12k/month doing this, that could double their revenue at best, ad 10% at worse (estimated revenue from biased sources range from 100k (gross) to 10 million).
That's a site that has reduced value to advertisers though, a site with normal ad potential it wouldn't even be a blip.
Because ads earn about $0.001/impression. (link https://www.quora.com/How-much...)
so three impressions per a minutes (scrolling down a loud website) = $0.003/minute, this is across all devices, including relatively low power ones such as phones. (random estimation, not sure if the link is page view or ad view)
I pay .17/kWh (total electric bill divided by total usage, $.145 may be more accurate as it's the cumulative variable part).
We'll use 30 watts/minute for usage spike of a computer with any real power.
30 watt minutes = .5 watt hours = .0005 kWh = $0.000085 of electricity available to make up that $0.003 of ad view.
Sure these numbers include assumptions, but are 2 orders of magnitude too low. The only site where this makes any bit of sense is one that can't get traditional advertising.
Anyway, thanks for making be double check my gut assumptions, because I was just guessing until now.
Perhaps,
I don't see how it could possibly be though. A more likely avenue to make this viable is giving JS access to the GPU.
Basically, if a short bit of JS mining is viable over an ad, it is making a higher return than the electricity used. In which case, I would mine 24/7 and make a decent amount of money, as would anyone else. We either end up hitting the point where mining for the time of a site visit is not worth it, or the currency allows unlimited coins.
If the GPU could be tapped, there is perhaps a shot at hitting the cost for the site visitor in electricity isn't so much more than the ad revenue forgone (call it a transaction fee), and is enough to make it worth it to put on your site.
I don't know what the ratio of ad revenue for a site like cracked vs the pirate bay is (cracked chosen because the ad scripts make it pretty much useless on my phone and lower end computer (a 2014 netbook) already), but for the pirate bay a 3x uptick would make it more viable than ads (estimated ad revenue 100k-
1million, I'm betting it's in the 100-500k range).
An article here estimated that the pirate bay could get $12,000/month from this technique, that barely covers operating expenses.
Perhaps the Pirate Bay can't get more from ads, but I'm willing to bet a more "legitimate" site with similar traffic could have higher value ads.
So:
1) this barely covers expenses of a site
2) it doesn't even close to cover what ads from a traditional site could.
It's not the way of the future at all.
Or you're in a municipality that uses purchase price for taxes (Philly used to be this way).
That's arguably OK though.
It gives a slight leg up to current residents over new ones, which I personally think is OK. It makes it harder to displace people through increased value.
I feel the same way about rent control.
Note, this is because I feel there is a non monetary benefit to people not being driven from their home, extended families forced apart, etc. It's an opinion, not a fact I suppose, but one I subscribe to.
They lump them into the payment for primary mortgages usually, because if you stop paying property taxes the government gets priority over the bank in repayment.
If I buy a house, and stop paying property taxes, the bank is screwed, not the government. What they do is make you pay one year of property taxes when you sign the mortgage (also insurance) and put it into escrow. Then, a certain amount of your monthly payment goes into the escrow, and they pay out when the bill is due (with adjustments made if the bills change).
Now 10% = $200/month seems crazy high to me. I've owned houses in three municipalities spread between two states. the prices varied between .75% and 1.25% of purchase price. Two of those municipalities charges based on assessed value which was well under the purchase price, but could change. The third charges on purchase price which meant they would never change.
Why do you say retail was never meant to be a career?
It seems like in the past it was a pretty decent career for many.
I've worked at a super market, and the previous generation were pretty well compensated and indeed saw it as a career.
Nobody was rich, and likely only the managers broke median income, but the bulk of people that were fulltime for over 5 years indeed had enough to live a reasonable life.
8 Million people are cashiers or retail sales, that's what, 6% of the workforce? all of those are supposed to be transient jobs?
The PIN is mildly more secure.
Stolen card fraud is such a small fraction of overall fraud as to be irrelivant.
And as a user, it makes it harder to recover if you card and PIN are stolen.
Sure, that was what, $200 or so stolen?
The last time mine was stolen someone got $3000 in concert tickets (website hack I believe , because they used my fake birthday I often use).
And the chip blocks cloning, so the only in person fraud is stolen card, which makes it pretty easy to catch anyway.
It sounds like the chip prevents what happened to you.
Oh cool, so I can't make an online purchase from my phone while out and about?
Seems like a great system.
Well, technically no merchant is allowed to check ID, or accept a card with check ID written.
The USPS is simply not violating the contract they signed when getting a merchant account.
Is in person credit card fraud really that significant?
I'd much rather they use some type of two factor auth for online stuff rather than add a PIN that shifts the burden if stolen, and provides more chances to grab my PIN and empty my bank account.
I've had fraudulent charges 3 times in my life, every single one was done online, the PIN is useless, and likely the chip makes a minimal impact (though it does render card cloning useless in theory).
The chip seems like a solution to a problem that wasn't really even that big of a problem.
It's been dramatically improving.
Some of the earlier tests I read had a small percentage even running.
This one with pretty consistently withing 10% and most things running, commercial even, is good.
I think it's a pretty reasonable time to switch with a true X session as an option, but no longer the default.
It works pretty well, slight slowdown.
https://www.phoronix.com/scan....
I don't think so, but maybe.
It had the rattling for ages, and then started getting flaky based on position.
When I opened it up everything was solved. I had looked for loose parts before but failed to find any.
It won't support the site though.
In a previous article about this they said that the Pirate Bay could make as much as $12,000/month running this. That's money, but I suspect not what ads bring in.
I actually had a computer that would exhibit odd behavior, somewhat based on positioning.
I opened it up to change some RAM out of hopes it would be an inexpensive fix.
Ended up that is was a screw rolling around shorting stuff out (I found the loose screw), bigger than dust, but seems possible based on the symptoms described (your joke is what made me thing of it).
I'd say more likely a metal shaving that's a little bigger than dust.
Of course you're taking Dodge City numbers OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD and comparing them to annual rates in Chicago.
From the link:
For instance, the adult residents of Dodge City faced a homicide rate of at least 165 per 100,000 adults per year, not sure where you get the the impression I used ten year data.
And, pertinent to the conversation, you're not distinguishing between people beaten to death while drunk or stabbed to death, etc. as opposed to those killed using openly carried firearms.
You're right, I used murder rates as a proxy for violence as it seemed to be the gist of the thread.
Didn't you're post encourage to cherry pick " Modern day Chicago is WILDLY more violent than anyplace in the frontier west.", I did a very quick search and found an article that listed multiple cities well over the rate of Chicago, not only does it appear that Chicago is not "WILDLY more violent", but actually the opposite is true.
Unless of course I take your premise that "OVER A TEN YEAR PERIOD" will not lower the numbers for a city. I could in fact use stats for the last ten years of Chicago instead of just one, and get a more dramatic difference if you think that'd help make your point.
Lets compare.
Chicago, 2016, murder rate ~ 16
Dodge City murder rate had a murder rate 10x that.
source 1 (blurb answer when searching chicago murder rate 2016): https://www.google.com/search?...
Source 2: https://cjrc.osu.edu/research/...
And if a proliferation of apps don't use the feature, it becomes de facto the same as not having it.
Perhaps MS could require proper use of UAC to for companies that sign their apps (for the not scary install).
I think consumers reap savings in generic goods.
Things like Shipping, groceries, etc.
The most obvious example of this is tech, as manufacturing got cheaper (both from tech and worker abuse) prices did indeed drop for generic tech.
A company like Walmart or Amazon with very low margin is definitely passing on savings (I'm not making a moral judgement that either of these are good companies or it's the greater good, simply that they seem to aggressivenely cut costs, and do seem to pass that on to the consumer).
And if you have enough for it to really matter (doesn't even need to be much, a reasonable life insurance policy for example), get it all in a revocable trust, it will further streamline the disbursement.
Also, even if legit, wouldn't the fact that he killed himself immediately after mean he wasn't of sound mind?
Unlike a human, the car will be able to see while reading the map, it will know it didn't take the left fork, and better be able to position itself.
The crowd sourced maps will hopefully include the extra details you mention as problems with current GPS maps (I'm less optimistic there).