I still think Microsoft will just be adjusting their position to force people to pay up after forcing/tricking people into "upgrading".
Exactly. Now MS can control people's PCs, I expect that, unless you sign up to a Win10 rental scheme, the interface will gradually turn into a big button that just says "Buy!". It won't even need a field to enter your credit card details because they wil already have it.
It's highly unlikely that they will revert to previous Windows pricing once this free upgrade period is over.... I fully expect to see a low-cost upgrade option available soon.
No, it will be a rental model. Those who have taken the free offer will find themselves being left behind with future updates unless they sign up to rental at some point in the not-too-distant future.
Let's bookmark this page for future reference to see who turns out to be right.
19% market share for an OS that has been free for a year is fucking pathetic.
so tru:-D.
same can be sed about da market share of linux on the desk,
But Linux has not been pushed onto people's desktops from a Win7/8 stepping stone like Win10 has. I am amazed if Win10 has only 19% share - I'd thought it was nearly unavoidable for non-experts.
If the answer to layoffs is unionise then all your doing is giving a company cancer.
I'm guessing you are in the USA. Americans seem to have a funny and bad attitude to unions - the culture is obviously a lot different from the UK, at least.
In the corporate companies I have worked in the UK, many of the bosses themselves are in the union. I am senior enough to be regarded as a "boss" myself, and I am in favour of unions. I don't want to see workers treated like dirt whatever their level. From time-to-time in the UK a union gets too big for its boots (like the coal miners' union under Arthur Scargill in the 1980's) but that is more the exception; unions are generally regarded as a good thing, a line of communication between company and workers. The union often moderates the workers.
OTOH the USA seems to be an example of what happens without good company/union relations; and I'm seeing that everyone is worse off.
A company doesn't need Salesmen when it can push out a product digitally and only a few people whine about it.
Exactly. Not long now, with Windows 10 adoption, for Microsoft's wet dream of software rental to come true. Once MS have persuaded people to "upgrade" to Win10 (or rammed it down their throats), thus giving MS control of their PCs, MS just need to let the unpaid Win10 user experience deteriorate and fall behind until the user caves in and signs up to rental for the perpetual updates that will come with it.
MS have said that Win10 is the last ever version of Windows, so they will soon be sacking thousands of developers too. Once people are on Win10 all MS will need is a security update team, and maybe some graphic artists to give the interface a make-over now and then.
There's nothing impossible about HyperLoop. It's just impractical, completely unnecessary and solves no problem
You forgot "expensive". The hyperloop is going to need some massive civil engineering unless it can be built on an almost flat and empty plain. That is because changes in direction (in either the lateral or vertical planes) will need to be very gradual to avoid large g-forces on the passengers. So think in terms of a lot of tunnelling, viaducts, and property demolition (no-one will want to live under this thing). Some people would have us believe that it will cost no more than a large oil pipe line - that's just, er.. Hype.
Stockholm to Helsinki in 30 minutes? OK. But we can already do that. It's called airplanes.
Having said the above, railways (and the Hyperloop is one, albeit with funny rails) have an efficiency advantage over planes for a heavy traffic route. Whether Stockholm-Helsinki is heavily trafficked, and whether the Hyperloop can ever be enginered to carry more than a minority of premium passengers, I do not know.
We should retaliate by deploying a large force of niggers to China. Niggers will steal from whoever is around, so we can be certain they will steal from China. Furthermore, nigger crime tends to destabilize society, meaning that China will be weakened from within.
>Seriously, if this happened in the UK there'd be a gigantic 'fuck off' from the customers
I live in the UK, what exactly are you basing this on? You and I both know that the proles would do fuck all
You are right, they would just swallow it. Any service you buy in the UK these days is followed up with a stream of add-on expenses, and most people must be paying up or it would not happen. BT phones is a prime example. Another is restaurants which advertise bargain meal prices outside, but once in you find the drinks cost a fortune.
The difference in the UK with ISPs however is that there is a huge choice, and indeed choice of phone companies, none of whom have a specific geographical area. They are unrelated to the physical network which is operated by Open Reach, who are paid through the phone compnies and ISPs.
I was recently going through a stack of old floppies (yes I still have a FDD) on my 2.66 GHz PC and found a railway signalling simulation, done in ASCII graphics. It simulated a day of traffic covered in about 2 hours as I recall. I started it in a DOS VM and for a few seconds the screen was agitated and the PC speaker squawked blue murder, and then it stopped with a message on the screen that I was a lousy signalman and I was sacked! My day as a signalman was over.
The "turbo" button was a "torpid" button. Contrary to the name, it did slow things (on my 486 at least) down to 4.77 MHz, for games. I guess the marketing people had a sense of humour, or thought that "torpid" did not sound very cool.
CP/M and other precursor OSes are really only of interest to historians and nostalgic geeks,
You can say that about DOS too.
it was really the PC, running MS-DOS for the most part, when the vast majority of people were introduced to computers for the first time.
Some, but not "the vast majority". Many people were introduced by pre-DOS computers. Geeks were still buying non-DOS, non-Windows home (and work) computers through all the 1980's, for nearly 10 years after PC-DOS came out. At work as techies we had a mainframe terminal, a PDP-11, and a Commodore PET. We regarded the IBM PC and DOS as for admin people and would not have given a thank you for one. At home I had a CP/M machine and other techies owned BBCs and Ataris, not IBM PC clones. It was Windows that introduced "the vast majority" of people to computers, unaware that DOS lay beneath the pre-Win95 versions. Even at work, most people did not get a PC on their desk until the Windows era.
So, it's not all that surprising that DOS is seen - rightly, I think - as the OS most used at the beginning of the personal computer revolution.
No, that's wrong. The personal computer revolution had begun before DOS and in the 1980s was in full swing with or without DOS. There was a wide range of types such as Sinclairs, Commodores, Amigas, Amstrads alongside the IBM/DOS PC in the 1980-95 period. It was standardised on the IBM PC clone only gradually.
I don't think anybody has ever said Microsoft isn't moving towards a subscription based system.
That's funny, some people right here are saying it.
What people have said, is that the Windows 10 systems out there right now, they don't think will become subscription in the future.
Are people saying that? Many here including me are saying just the opposite. As MS have said Win10 is the last ever version of Windows, how are they to get any future income from non-enterprise Windows unless they turn those systems into subscription? MS control those Win10 installations so they can do it.
-- its one thing to have a perpetual windows license for a PC as a small line item in a $1000 purchase
It is not a small item, and you need to look hard to find a PC costing as much as £1000. Windows is a significant part of the cost of a high street PC.
Its quite another for buyers to sign up for $N / month. Especially, given that PCs are quite long lived now....... 84$/year ? x 10 years? To use windows? That's going to be a non-starter for a LOT of people.
They will have to pay the subscription like it or not - the pre-loaded Windows 10 on their new PC will only work for a month if they refuse. And don't talk about Linux - Joe Sixpack is never going to install it - can't, won't.
False.... I'm surprised you'd believe this with the recent Brexit vote where city dwellers overwhelmingly voted to stay but the rural folk overwhelmingly voted to leave.
That is an incredibly roundabout way to "prove" that most people don't live in cities. Run that again..... the UK voted Brexit therefore most people live in rural areas ???
Here is a clue : only a smallish minority of people in the UK live in "rural areas". Large areas that you might think are rural, like East Kent, South Devon, South Essex, West Sussex, East Dorset, are really sprawling conurbations. By definition, if many people live in an area it ceases to be rural.
The first accident was really caused by the truck crossing the road in front of oncoming traffic......... The driver was distracted and never even applied the brakes...... That probably confirms that the truck really was hard to see.
Yes, it's so hard to see 18-wheeler trucks stood across your path, I never notice them either. Good job my car is low, I pass clean underneath.
Philips screwdrivers will back themselves out if 'over torqued'
... or if they are slightly out of line with the screw, or if the screw is slightly corroded, or slightly chewed up because of any of the preceding having occurred, or the screw (or scredriver itself) has been made in China.
The Philips standard needs to die, now, and be replaced by Pozidriv (or Torx, or anything else but slot). I suppose companies keep on using Philips because they'd need to pay a $0.000001 per screw royalty on Pozidriv.
Slashdot Mirror
I still think Microsoft will just be adjusting their position to force people to pay up after forcing/tricking people into "upgrading".
Exactly. Now MS can control people's PCs, I expect that, unless you sign up to a Win10 rental scheme, the interface will gradually turn into a big button that just says "Buy!". It won't even need a field to enter your credit card details because they wil already have it.
It's highly unlikely that they will revert to previous Windows pricing once this free upgrade period is over. ... I fully expect to see a low-cost upgrade option available soon.
No, it will be a rental model. Those who have taken the free offer will find themselves being left behind with future updates unless they sign up to rental at some point in the not-too-distant future.
Let's bookmark this page for future reference to see who turns out to be right.
19% market share for an OS that has been free for a year is fucking pathetic.
so tru :-D.
same can be sed about da market share of linux on the desk,
But Linux has not been pushed onto people's desktops from a Win7/8 stepping stone like Win10 has. I am amazed if Win10 has only 19% share - I'd thought it was nearly unavoidable for non-experts.
If the answer to layoffs is unionise then all your doing is giving a company cancer.
I'm guessing you are in the USA. Americans seem to have a funny and bad attitude to unions - the culture is obviously a lot different from the UK, at least.
In the corporate companies I have worked in the UK, many of the bosses themselves are in the union. I am senior enough to be regarded as a "boss" myself, and I am in favour of unions. I don't want to see workers treated like dirt whatever their level. From time-to-time in the UK a union gets too big for its boots (like the coal miners' union under Arthur Scargill in the 1980's) but that is more the exception; unions are generally regarded as a good thing, a line of communication between company and workers. The union often moderates the workers.
OTOH the USA seems to be an example of what happens without good company/union relations; and I'm seeing that everyone is worse off.
Is Satya Nadella an H1B himself? Sounds like one.
Perhaps "extorted" would be a better word than "received".
A company doesn't need Salesmen when it can push out a product digitally and only a few people whine about it.
Exactly. Not long now, with Windows 10 adoption, for Microsoft's wet dream of software rental to come true. Once MS have persuaded people to "upgrade" to Win10 (or rammed it down their throats), thus giving MS control of their PCs, MS just need to let the unpaid Win10 user experience deteriorate and fall behind until the user caves in and signs up to rental for the perpetual updates that will come with it.
MS have said that Win10 is the last ever version of Windows, so they will soon be sacking thousands of developers too. Once people are on Win10 all MS will need is a security update team, and maybe some graphic artists to give the interface a make-over now and then.
Citation needed. Everything I've read states that it'll be a mild vacuum. There's no such thing as a "complete vacuum" on earth.
Not in space either.
There's nothing impossible about HyperLoop. It's just impractical, completely unnecessary and solves no problem
You forgot "expensive". The hyperloop is going to need some massive civil engineering unless it can be built on an almost flat and empty plain. That is because changes in direction (in either the lateral or vertical planes) will need to be very gradual to avoid large g-forces on the passengers. So think in terms of a lot of tunnelling, viaducts, and property demolition (no-one will want to live under this thing). Some people would have us believe that it will cost no more than a large oil pipe line - that's just, er .. Hype.
Stockholm to Helsinki in 30 minutes? OK. But we can already do that. It's called airplanes.
Having said the above, railways (and the Hyperloop is one, albeit with funny rails) have an efficiency advantage over planes for a heavy traffic route. Whether Stockholm-Helsinki is heavily trafficked, and whether the Hyperloop can ever be enginered to carry more than a minority of premium passengers, I do not know.
I think that the term "Model Rocket" is the problem. What is it a model of?
In fact the Saturn V at nearly 3000 tons is the largest model rocket. It is a 1:1 scale model of itself.
In any case, it [the Chinese one] is surely the biggest seaplane that exists today.
The Spruce Goose exists today.
We should retaliate by deploying a large force of niggers to China. Niggers will steal from whoever is around, so we can be certain they will steal from China. Furthermore, nigger crime tends to destabilize society, meaning that China will be weakened from within.
Then you are in luck :-
http://www.scmp.com/magazines/...
>Seriously, if this happened in the UK there'd be a gigantic 'fuck off' from the customers
I live in the UK, what exactly are you basing this on? You and I both know that the proles would do fuck all
You are right, they would just swallow it. Any service you buy in the UK these days is followed up with a stream of add-on expenses, and most people must be paying up or it would not happen. BT phones is a prime example. Another is restaurants which advertise bargain meal prices outside, but once in you find the drinks cost a fortune.
The difference in the UK with ISPs however is that there is a huge choice, and indeed choice of phone companies, none of whom have a specific geographical area. They are unrelated to the physical network which is operated by Open Reach, who are paid through the phone compnies and ISPs.
I was recently going through a stack of old floppies (yes I still have a FDD) on my 2.66 GHz PC and found a railway signalling simulation, done in ASCII graphics. It simulated a day of traffic covered in about 2 hours as I recall. I started it in a DOS VM and for a few seconds the screen was agitated and the PC speaker squawked blue murder, and then it stopped with a message on the screen that I was a lousy signalman and I was sacked! My day as a signalman was over.
Maybe games needed a "Torpid" button instead...
The "turbo" button was a "torpid" button. Contrary to the name, it did slow things (on my 486 at least) down to 4.77 MHz, for games. I guess the marketing people had a sense of humour, or thought that "torpid" did not sound very cool.
CP/M and other precursor OSes are really only of interest to historians and nostalgic geeks,
You can say that about DOS too.
it was really the PC, running MS-DOS for the most part, when the vast majority of people were introduced to computers for the first time.
Some, but not "the vast majority". Many people were introduced by pre-DOS computers. Geeks were still buying non-DOS, non-Windows home (and work) computers through all the 1980's, for nearly 10 years after PC-DOS came out. At work as techies we had a mainframe terminal, a PDP-11, and a Commodore PET. We regarded the IBM PC and DOS as for admin people and would not have given a thank you for one. At home I had a CP/M machine and other techies owned BBCs and Ataris, not IBM PC clones. It was Windows that introduced "the vast majority" of people to computers, unaware that DOS lay beneath the pre-Win95 versions. Even at work, most people did not get a PC on their desk until the Windows era.
So, it's not all that surprising that DOS is seen - rightly, I think - as the OS most used at the beginning of the personal computer revolution.
No, that's wrong. The personal computer revolution had begun before DOS and in the 1980s was in full swing with or without DOS. There was a wide range of types such as Sinclairs, Commodores, Amigas, Amstrads alongside the IBM/DOS PC in the 1980-95 period. It was standardised on the IBM PC clone only gradually.
I don't think anybody has ever said Microsoft isn't moving towards a subscription based system.
That's funny, some people right here are saying it.
What people have said, is that the Windows 10 systems out there right now, they don't think will become subscription in the future.
Are people saying that? Many here including me are saying just the opposite. As MS have said Win10 is the last ever version of Windows, how are they to get any future income from non-enterprise Windows unless they turn those systems into subscription? MS control those Win10 installations so they can do it.
-- its one thing to have a perpetual windows license for a PC as a small line item in a $1000 purchase
It is not a small item, and you need to look hard to find a PC costing as much as £1000. Windows is a significant part of the cost of a high street PC.
Its quite another for buyers to sign up for $N / month. Especially, given that PCs are quite long lived now....... 84$/year ? x 10 years? To use windows? That's going to be a non-starter for a LOT of people.
They will have to pay the subscription like it or not - the pre-loaded Windows 10 on their new PC will only work for a month if they refuse. And don't talk about Linux - Joe Sixpack is never going to install it - can't, won't.
"Most people live in cities"
False .... I'm surprised you'd believe this with the recent Brexit vote where city dwellers overwhelmingly voted to stay but the rural folk overwhelmingly voted to leave.
That is an incredibly roundabout way to "prove" that most people don't live in cities. Run that again ..... the UK voted Brexit therefore most people live in rural areas ???
Here is a clue : only a smallish minority of people in the UK live in "rural areas". Large areas that you might think are rural, like East Kent, South Devon, South Essex, West Sussex, East Dorset, are really sprawling conurbations. By definition, if many people live in an area it ceases to be rural.
The first accident was really caused by the truck crossing the road in front of oncoming traffic ......... The driver was distracted and never even applied the brakes ...... That probably confirms that the truck really was hard to see.
Yes, it's so hard to see 18-wheeler trucks stood across your path, I never notice them either. Good job my car is low, I pass clean underneath.
Philips screwdrivers will back themselves out if 'over torqued'
The Philips standard needs to die, now, and be replaced by Pozidriv (or Torx, or anything else but slot). I suppose companies keep on using Philips because they'd need to pay a $0.000001 per screw royalty on Pozidriv.
It will no longer be cool and exciting and instead be boring and uninteresting
Speak for yourself.
What did they expect? If they weren't cheating and lying to their spouses, they could of just said, "OK, go ahead. Send paper work to my house."
But I don't suppose that Ashley Madison would have allowed it to be as simply solved as that.
It doesn't cost you anything other than a 5 minute call to report an unauthorized charge and get it credited then 24-48 hrs to receive a new card.
If only life were really that simple.
... Linux hits 20% or more of the desktop market
Anything taking 2% of any market is not news
News is anything that is interesting. By your criterion, self-driving cars are not news.
2%, which is much smaller than the margin of error
So there could be zero Linux users then. Oh, wait ........
Elon Musk argued that "Long term, it'll be way better than a person. It never ..... argues with someone in the car."
But then :-
Tesla tells drivers to 'keep your hands on the wheel at all times and stay alert'
Because it can argue with you then.