But an outright blanket ban on simple possession of something is far from 'having limits'.
You need to be able to do something first in order to be limited in how much you can do it. While technically 100% is a limit, most people would still not say that is a limit to something you can do, since by definition you can't do it at that point.
But we are just getting into semantics, and I think you're on the same page as the rest of us. So over and out
This is exactly why "possession" (of *anything*) shouldn't be a crime.
So walking around with a bomb strapped to your chest is ok? Or carrying a machine gun into a bank?
So because someone could potentially carry a machine gun into a bank, you think possession of guns should be illegal?
Because someone could potentially strap a bomb to their chest, you think possession of any substance that explodes should be illegal?
Simple possession of pictures should NOT be illegal. What you do with them and why is the point that matters, which is what you are trying to ignore here.
I guess since I don't feel like I have been properly compensated, this gives me the right to dig up and cut all the phone and cable wiring that passes on under or over my property, since the government took that tiny part of land and gave it to those companies respectively.
"On June 28, 2010, Voyager 2 completed 12,000 days of continuous operations since its launch on August 20, 1977. For nearly 33 years, the venerable spacecraft has been returning unprecedented data about the giant outer planets, the properties of the solar wind between and beyond the planets and the interaction of the solar wind with interstellar winds in the heliosheath.
Wow, I knew the Voyagers have been out there for some time now, but Voyager 2 seems to have about 9 months of uptime on me (Not my computer, but ME)
If you are going to put that kind of thought into cheating on a test, wouldn't you be better served actually learning the material?
Because obviously someone that was able to write a working TI emulator has NO understanding of the material at hand that would be required for writing such an emulator!;}
If he didn't understand the material at hand, his emulator wouldn't return the correct answers anyway, so what is the problem with using the answers from it? Those answers would be a pretty accurate representation of exactly his current level of understanding.
I'm not advocating cheating for the masses, as obviously most people are no where near that level and DO need to learn this stuff. The people either writing, or just taking, this type of software and selling it to idiots so they can remain idiots are doing nothing but harming those students and the future of our country as a whole. I have nothing but spite for those people.
The ones just doing it for themselves however are the ones with the true hacker spirit, and should be more than 100% encouraged!
To start with, you have the master keys that allow the machine to communicate with the processor. After they are input, they're encrypted and stored in epoxy buried chips in the keypad, and any interruption of electrical power to those chips (which runs through fry wires from a battery also stored within the epoxy matrix) kills the keys.
I find it amazing that at least for a certain hardware vendor, when it comes to the machines holding the money, they resort to such extreme levels of security (Which is great btw!), yet when the machine is 'only' designed to hold the nations vote count for its next leader, for some reason now MSAccess files and user accessible CF cards with OS and data are concidered best practices!
I don't carry bags unless I'm on my way home from shopping. Most men don't.
Little known geek secret: Laptop bag = man purse
My laptop bag is designed to hold two laptops and some accessories, has those expandable zippered sections to shrink it down to hide some of the extra space when it is not needed, and even has wheels and a pocket with a hidden retractable handle to convert it into what looks like a small piece of carry-on luggage.
Now you too can have all of the advantages one would expect by having their own bag-of-holding, just like our feminine counterparts!
A countdown is very similar to an earlier yellow, but it only works at low speed intersections. I drive on a lot of 55 mph roads with signals. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to read a standard pedestrian countdown timer at these lights early enough to matter.
Most of the ones I have seen in practice don't have "countdown" timers in the sense of a number that counts backwards, but instead a bar graph style line made from LEDs that ticks down. The bar is usually the same height as the yellow section itself, which at night for a first time might be problematic, but otherwise you can see the entire bar section to know what 'full' is, and of course the amount illuminated is how much time is left. Even at night it is very useful because the bar gets 'shorter' and less bright over all, so you can still get a fairly accurate 'feel' for how much time is left.
I agree with you that a number display (Which I have seen as well!) is a poor idea in some pretty common situations.
This isn't exactly the same, as this timer is on the red not yellow, and is wrapped around the light instead of next to it (even better imo) but is pretty close:
Just convert that for yellow (or hell, all three colors!) and the plan is golden. Sadly, I can't see many places getting funding approved for such a retrofit:/
Quote: The only thing releasing the information would do is cause a massive Zero Day event that would only harm consumers or leave them without the services of the software for several months.
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So you prefer the alternate option, where you sit on it and only the black hats have access to the zero day event that would harm consumers and leave them without services of the software for several months.
I see the wide difference.
You would prefer you kept your exploits open and vulnerable, so no one can protect themselves against you. I can only assume you are the attacker, as aiding anyone in protecting themselves is counter to your goals as you stated.
"no evidence that the exploit is being used in the wild" is simply a fancy way of saying "The exploit is clearly in the wild, as despite my beliefs on this matter, there really are people out there smarter than I who have noticed this before"
SO thanks for making the world a more vulnerable place!
That creepy guy sitting two tables from you at the coffee shop? He can now read your e-mail.
And that is different from yesterday (before the exploit was known) how exactly?
That person not using encryption could and did have their email intercepted already. So add one more unknown person to the mix, its not any worse than before.
This is why one should use encryption. If the atom 'grandma wants to check email and encryption is too hard' is actually still true, then the problem is lack of encryption. Adding one more layer of no encryption is not the thing making the situation worse.
However saying they 'sell studies' is a bit dishonest, as to my knowledge that have never been in the business of selling studies. They sell study results.
I realize you are paraphrasing from the patent claims, and I have given up trying to understand them long ago, so thought I would ask.
Does this mean all bayesian filters do not infringe, since they don't use the header to decide which direction to take (IE sender lookup OR keywords) since they will do both checks regardless?
. "Oh just use the package manager" No. I want to go to their website and click the fucking download button. Then I want to open that downloaded file. Then I want it to install. Anything else is unacceptable for a typical user.
That will simply never happen.
We did have a few Linux distros that tried, but pretty instantly they were ignored by the Windows users after still getting viruses and having all the same problems Windows has, which they heard Linux does not have, and the Linux users knew they just added every problem they left Windows to avoid back in.
It quite correctly failed.
Part of the Linux mindset is the security. If that feature is the one thing you list that makes it unacceptable, then we are sorry but we are at an impass.
And free tech support advice from someone who does tech support for a living, might not be as free as you think it would be? Free car maintenance advice from a mechanic might not be as free as you think it would be? Free health care advice from a medical professional might not be as free as you think it would be?
Hehe, I'm not sure what you are asking your tech support guy and mechanic to do that you would be concerned with STDs...
I suppose you might have a point on the last one thou!
One question if a TV show is re-transmitted over the internet with it's commercials intact, is it copyright infringement, as you are only extending the range of it's broadcast.
That right there highlights one huge issues with the state of the law.
Legally, that is 100% copyright infringement.
Why? Being distributed is not the factor that copyright takes into account. Permission is.
However, I can guarantee you that if you take a random 1000 sampling of people on the street and asked if it was Wrong or Should be illegal, all but the same 0.3% will say NO.
speaking as an Android TABLET owner works just fine and I didn't build it, I bought it direct from a Chinese vendor. Hopefully, I'll be able to write scripts that'll run on it.
heh, way to ruin my point by reminding me of the tablets;}
Seriously thou, yea I sorta forgot about those and was fixated on the phones made to run it.
I take it the tablet runs the stock Android build? (Or at least could.. why lock a tablets bootloader after all?) I'd imagine without having a cellular carrier involved would make that not only possible, but likely.
As a matter of fact, earlier this year there was a project to get Android to compile for x86. I am unsure on its current status, but it's only a matter of time until it is working. That platform too would be open and let one run Android without these problems too.
I'm an advanced user and I don't every want to know what a repository is. My mom definitely doesn't give a shit.
Well, in plain English 'repository' is defined as simply "A place where things are stored"
You can then qualify the word with another, to describe what 'things' might be.
For example, a book repository would better be known as a library or book store. A place that has books for you to go get. In the same light, a software repository is a place software is stored at for you to go get.
Unless your mother works in the computer field, or otherwise would be considered computer knowledgeable, then she most certainly would give a shit. Even if not, it would make life easier on her.
The best way to describe a linux software repository specifically, would be to describe the problems they solve.
Just ask her about the last couple times she had to install software on her computer. Ever go to install a program, and it complains that it requires some other program installed first? So you go hunt down that program and try to install it, and then that one complains some DLL is missing or the wrong version, so you go download that and install it, then install the dependency, and finally install the original program you wanted, all while hoping you don't forget why you even wanted to install that program in the first place...
A repository will have all of those programs in it, and will know which software needs what other software. When you tell the repository you want to install something, it will check what you have already and go take care of all those dependencies for you so that no more clicking is involved.
Then there is the problem when her hard drive starts getting full, and she wants to clear stuff out to make more room. Well if you just uninstall the main program, all that other crap it required is still left on the system taking up space. Generally one forgets what had to be installed ahead of time, what is or isn't needed still, and what can be removed without breaking other programs. The end result is "I tried cleaning some programs I don't use out, but it didn't free up very much space at all! Things are still running slow, and now when I reboot I get these file missing errors!"
With a repository, since it is tracking all of that anyway, will know what dependencies the program used, And if any other programs installed since require those dependencies. Anything that was installed for the original program you are removing, will also be removed. If something has been installed in the mean time that also requires that dependency, then it will Not be uninstalled so nothing breaks.
The third problem, which we all have had, is teaching mom the difference between legit websites to download from, and 'bad' websites that are full of viruses.
Repositories eliminate the need to know the real source of a program, as no websites are involved.
Finally, for people that simply install software by hammering the next button, keeping all options default (Or worse, crappy broken installers that don't give you options), you no doubt have seen after a few months they end up with 10 auto-update programs down in the tray, which all at once bug you to check for updates when you turn on the computer and are just trying to get some work done. Then mom wonders why Word takes an extra 5 minutes to open and she keeps getting out of memory errors.
Repositories solve that problem because the repository interface is the one and only app that checks for updates. It handles all updates for you at once, AND grabs the updates from the same original legit places the software originally came from. Granted, this isn't much of an issue anymore with updater programs, but still to this day are updaters that only inform you a new version is available, and clicking the notice opens a browser to their webpage, expecting you to manually download and install the new version.
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Limits yes. Even the GP wasn't arguing that ;}
But an outright blanket ban on simple possession of something is far from 'having limits'.
You need to be able to do something first in order to be limited in how much you can do it.
While technically 100% is a limit, most people would still not say that is a limit to something you can do, since by definition you can't do it at that point.
But we are just getting into semantics, and I think you're on the same page as the rest of us. So over and out
This is exactly why "possession" (of *anything*) shouldn't be a crime.
So walking around with a bomb strapped to your chest is ok? Or carrying a machine gun into a bank?
So because someone could potentially carry a machine gun into a bank, you think possession of guns should be illegal?
Because someone could potentially strap a bomb to their chest, you think possession of any substance that explodes should be illegal?
Simple possession of pictures should NOT be illegal. What you do with them and why is the point that matters, which is what you are trying to ignore here.
when the first vagina grenade goes off on a crowded plane, what will you say?
"Oh no... now I'll NEVER find the clitoris!"
That's easy. It's right there. And a bit of it over there. And a lot of it all along there...
Some of history's greatest pieces of music would never have been...
I would like to take this time to give a moment of silence for the multiple orders of magnitude more music that will never be...
Oops, I just infringed on John Cage's copyright of silence :/
Pretty ironic that Namcos lawyers most likely were infringing the same copyright, while writing the take down notice about MITs copyright infringement
I guess since I don't feel like I have been properly compensated, this gives me the right to dig up and cut all the phone and cable wiring that passes on under or over my property, since the government took that tiny part of land and gave it to those companies respectively.
Oh yea, no it doesn't.
You are fully correct, this is just stupid.
"On June 28, 2010, Voyager 2 completed 12,000 days of continuous operations since its launch on August 20, 1977. For nearly 33 years, the venerable spacecraft has been returning unprecedented data about the giant outer planets, the properties of the solar wind between and beyond the planets and the interaction of the solar wind with interstellar winds in the heliosheath.
Wow, I knew the Voyagers have been out there for some time now, but Voyager 2 seems to have about 9 months of uptime on me (Not my computer, but ME)
Bravo NASA!
If you are going to put that kind of thought into cheating on a test, wouldn't you be better served actually learning the material?
Because obviously someone that was able to write a working TI emulator has NO understanding of the material at hand that would be required for writing such an emulator! ;}
If he didn't understand the material at hand, his emulator wouldn't return the correct answers anyway, so what is the problem with using the answers from it? Those answers would be a pretty accurate representation of exactly his current level of understanding.
I'm not advocating cheating for the masses, as obviously most people are no where near that level and DO need to learn this stuff.
The people either writing, or just taking, this type of software and selling it to idiots so they can remain idiots are doing nothing but harming those students and the future of our country as a whole. I have nothing but spite for those people.
The ones just doing it for themselves however are the ones with the true hacker spirit, and should be more than 100% encouraged!
Actually you aren't wrong, it appears over wifi I get the PC version of the page, and over 3g I get the iphone page.
However even on 3g when I try to install anything, it just sits there with a spinning cursor.
I have NO idea why the connection method would even affect it at all, you would think it was based on the browser agent string or something.
I didn't post a question, I posted a statement
Oh, in that case you are simply wrong.
If you mentally swap out 'iPhone browser' for 'iPad browser' and finish reading the sentence with the URL to go to, it installs just fine.
I now have a springboard web shortcut on both my phone and ipad... Can't wait to check it out as my iPad came with 3.2.1 so no jailbreak yet for me
To start with, you have the master keys that allow the machine to communicate with the processor. After they are input, they're encrypted and stored in epoxy buried chips in the keypad, and any interruption of electrical power to those chips (which runs through fry wires from a battery also stored within the epoxy matrix) kills the keys.
I find it amazing that at least for a certain hardware vendor, when it comes to the machines holding the money, they resort to such extreme levels of security (Which is great btw!), yet when the machine is 'only' designed to hold the nations vote count for its next leader, for some reason now MSAccess files and user accessible CF cards with OS and data are concidered best practices!
I don't carry bags unless I'm on my way home from shopping. Most men don't.
Little known geek secret: Laptop bag = man purse
My laptop bag is designed to hold two laptops and some accessories, has those expandable zippered sections to shrink it down to hide some of the extra space when it is not needed, and even has wheels and a pocket with a hidden retractable handle to convert it into what looks like a small piece of carry-on luggage.
Now you too can have all of the advantages one would expect by having their own bag-of-holding, just like our feminine counterparts!
A countdown is very similar to an earlier yellow, but it only works at low speed intersections. I drive on a lot of 55 mph roads with signals. I'm sure I wouldn't be able to read a standard pedestrian countdown timer at these lights early enough to matter.
Most of the ones I have seen in practice don't have "countdown" timers in the sense of a number that counts backwards, but instead a bar graph style line made from LEDs that ticks down. The bar is usually the same height as the yellow section itself, which at night for a first time might be problematic, but otherwise you can see the entire bar section to know what 'full' is, and of course the amount illuminated is how much time is left.
Even at night it is very useful because the bar gets 'shorter' and less bright over all, so you can still get a fairly accurate 'feel' for how much time is left.
I agree with you that a number display (Which I have seen as well!) is a poor idea in some pretty common situations.
This isn't exactly the same, as this timer is on the red not yellow, and is wrapped around the light instead of next to it (even better imo) but is pretty close:
http://www.coated.com/traffic-light-with-countdown-to-go-green-1130090007/
Just convert that for yellow (or hell, all three colors!) and the plan is golden. :/
Sadly, I can't see many places getting funding approved for such a retrofit
Careful, information gets extremely pissed off when you anthropomorphise it.
Don't blame Quantcast. They're using the technology as Macromedia intended - to violate your privacy.
So, as you say they are purposely using software designed to violate your privacy. Why exactly shouldn't we blame them for that again?
Quote: The only thing releasing the information would do is cause a massive Zero Day event that would only harm consumers or leave them without the services of the software for several months.
---
So you prefer the alternate option, where you sit on it and only the black hats have access to the zero day event that would harm consumers and leave them without services of the software for several months.
I see the wide difference.
You would prefer you kept your exploits open and vulnerable, so no one can protect themselves against you.
I can only assume you are the attacker, as aiding anyone in protecting themselves is counter to your goals as you stated.
"no evidence that the exploit is being used in the wild" is simply a fancy way of saying "The exploit is clearly in the wild, as despite my beliefs on this matter, there really are people out there smarter than I who have noticed this before"
SO thanks for making the world a more vulnerable place!
That creepy guy sitting two tables from you at the coffee shop? He can now read your e-mail.
And that is different from yesterday (before the exploit was known) how exactly?
That person not using encryption could and did have their email intercepted already. So add one more unknown person to the mix, its not any worse than before.
This is why one should use encryption. If the atom 'grandma wants to check email and encryption is too hard' is actually still true, then the problem is lack of encryption. Adding one more layer of no encryption is not the thing making the situation worse.
All very good points.
However saying they 'sell studies' is a bit dishonest, as to my knowledge that have never been in the business of selling studies. They sell study results.
I realize you are paraphrasing from the patent claims, and I have given up trying to understand them long ago, so thought I would ask.
Does this mean all bayesian filters do not infringe, since they don't use the header to decide which direction to take (IE sender lookup OR keywords) since they will do both checks regardless?
. "Oh just use the package manager" No. I want to go to their website and click the fucking download button. Then I want to open that downloaded file. Then I want it to install. Anything else is unacceptable for a typical user.
That will simply never happen.
We did have a few Linux distros that tried, but pretty instantly they were ignored by the Windows users after still getting viruses and having all the same problems Windows has, which they heard Linux does not have, and the Linux users knew they just added every problem they left Windows to avoid back in.
It quite correctly failed.
Part of the Linux mindset is the security. If that feature is the one thing you list that makes it unacceptable, then we are sorry but we are at an impass.
And free tech support advice from someone who does tech support for a living, might not be as free as you think it would be?
Free car maintenance advice from a mechanic might not be as free as you think it would be?
Free health care advice from a medical professional might not be as free as you think it would be?
Hehe, I'm not sure what you are asking your tech support guy and mechanic to do that you would be concerned with STDs...
I suppose you might have a point on the last one thou!
One question if a TV show is re-transmitted over the internet with it's commercials intact, is it copyright infringement, as you are only extending the range of it's broadcast.
That right there highlights one huge issues with the state of the law.
Legally, that is 100% copyright infringement.
Why? Being distributed is not the factor that copyright takes into account. Permission is.
However, I can guarantee you that if you take a random 1000 sampling of people on the street and asked if it was Wrong or Should be illegal, all but the same 0.3% will say NO.
Why must you turn our nice clean slashdot into a house of lies, Ralph :{
I hate replying to myself, but I just found said project, which now appears to be a LiveCD.
http://code.google.com/p/live-android/
speaking as an Android TABLET owner
works just fine and I didn't build it, I bought it direct from a Chinese vendor. Hopefully, I'll be able to write scripts that'll run on it.
heh, way to ruin my point by reminding me of the tablets ;}
Seriously thou, yea I sorta forgot about those and was fixated on the phones made to run it.
I take it the tablet runs the stock Android build? (Or at least could.. why lock a tablets bootloader after all?)
I'd imagine without having a cellular carrier involved would make that not only possible, but likely.
As a matter of fact, earlier this year there was a project to get Android to compile for x86. I am unsure on its current status, but it's only a matter of time until it is working. That platform too would be open and let one run Android without these problems too.
I'm an advanced user and I don't every want to know what a repository is. My mom definitely doesn't give a shit.
Well, in plain English 'repository' is defined as simply "A place where things are stored"
You can then qualify the word with another, to describe what 'things' might be.
For example, a book repository would better be known as a library or book store. A place that has books for you to go get.
In the same light, a software repository is a place software is stored at for you to go get.
Unless your mother works in the computer field, or otherwise would be considered computer knowledgeable, then she most certainly would give a shit. Even if not, it would make life easier on her.
The best way to describe a linux software repository specifically, would be to describe the problems they solve.
Just ask her about the last couple times she had to install software on her computer.
Ever go to install a program, and it complains that it requires some other program installed first? So you go hunt down that program and try to install it, and then that one complains some DLL is missing or the wrong version, so you go download that and install it, then install the dependency, and finally install the original program you wanted, all while hoping you don't forget why you even wanted to install that program in the first place...
A repository will have all of those programs in it, and will know which software needs what other software.
When you tell the repository you want to install something, it will check what you have already and go take care of all those dependencies for you so that no more clicking is involved.
Then there is the problem when her hard drive starts getting full, and she wants to clear stuff out to make more room.
Well if you just uninstall the main program, all that other crap it required is still left on the system taking up space. Generally one forgets what had to be installed ahead of time, what is or isn't needed still, and what can be removed without breaking other programs. The end result is "I tried cleaning some programs I don't use out, but it didn't free up very much space at all! Things are still running slow, and now when I reboot I get these file missing errors!"
With a repository, since it is tracking all of that anyway, will know what dependencies the program used, And if any other programs installed since require those dependencies.
Anything that was installed for the original program you are removing, will also be removed. If something has been installed in the mean time that also requires that dependency, then it will Not be uninstalled so nothing breaks.
The third problem, which we all have had, is teaching mom the difference between legit websites to download from, and 'bad' websites that are full of viruses.
Repositories eliminate the need to know the real source of a program, as no websites are involved.
Finally, for people that simply install software by hammering the next button, keeping all options default (Or worse, crappy broken installers that don't give you options), you no doubt have seen after a few months they end up with 10 auto-update programs down in the tray, which all at once bug you to check for updates when you turn on the computer and are just trying to get some work done. Then mom wonders why Word takes an extra 5 minutes to open and she keeps getting out of memory errors.
Repositories solve that problem because the repository interface is the one and only app that checks for updates. It handles all updates for you at once, AND grabs the updates from the same original legit places the software originally came from.
Granted, this isn't much of an issue anymore with updater programs, but still to this day are updaters that only inform you a new version is available, and clicking the notice opens a browser to their webpage, expecting you to manually download and install the new version.
In summary, software repositories handle all o