Or the machines spread beacons throughout the galaxy to detect advanced lifeforms and once detected the machines send out ruthlessly efficient constructs to cure the system from the disease that is life.
The only flaw with that if the machines in question were capable of such an act, they would be life too.
although part of me has a hunch that we'll find out since shareholders will demand Google not leave one of the largest markets in the world.
They have no intentions of leaving the largest market in the world, nor the top 10 largest markets. They are just leaving China.
By your logic, all those starving people in Africa with no clean water or electricity are a much much larger market than China... The fact they have no money is clearly beside the point, as you don't seem to feel that is a necessity to being called 'a market', so that problem is already solved.
A nation of under a million potential customers is so very far away from 'largest market' that it is embarrassing. There are states within the USA that are larger markets than that!
Governments are the enemy of its people in all cases and in all nations.
Whoa there. Government itself is inherently sterile. Government can empower its citizens, or it can empower its leaders, but not both at the same time.
The problem is that leaders always turn government so it empowers them, not us.
So knowing in advance that governments always do this means they are your friends?
Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.
Over a million people are hardly nobody.
I don't recal the exact date OS 3.0 was released, but advanced iPhone users have had backgrounding of all apps ever since then. Backgrounder.app plus one of the better multitasking GUI apps from cydia or rock.
Works pretty well. Since there is no native Google Latitude app currently (It's a web-app sorta, or at least a safari-app), and leaving Safari running in the background does update my location info in google maps for my friends to see, and this works while using the iPod app for music and other normal phone interruptions...
I do kinda agree on the sluggishness, but to be honest I was expecting worse when Apple claimed iPhone would be using a stripped down OS X. But to say no one has done a thing that over a million iPhone users have access to and a percentage of are actively using is being dishonest.
The stem cells from fetuses are from already dead, aborted fetuses. No one, that I know of, is advocating killing fetuses for the sake of getting the stem cells.
The only problem is, that is Exactly what you are advocating in a capitalist nation by placing a value on something.
Granted, I doubt that was ever the governments intent there, but it is still a concern. The government can only outlaw the practice (well, more so than it already is) but as we all know that doesn't always stop a thing from happening, it can only punish those who did after the fact.
You'd rather the stem cells end up in an incinerator instead of a lab?
Yes.
In an incinerator, the value of those stem cells becomes zero. This means we are not increasing the value of stealing babies to harvest for stem cells on the black market. This is a good thing.
There are other ways to obtain stem cells that do not involve the unborn and very recently born. (Some even say those other ways work better)
Only Google, which can use its huge ad revenues to subsidize all kind of unprofitable project, can afford to do things like that.
I don't think it is limited to just Google who can afford such things. I think it is more the Google mindset that opened the door for this to happen.
I mean, Microsoft can more than afford to do it, and they are even known for using their income from profitable areas (Windows, Office) to pay for unprofitable ones (Xbox, Zune) I just can't see Microsoft not doing something just for brownie points. Thou they have seemingly been slowly changing.
IBM could also no doubt afford to do it. These days they have a much more open mindset than Microsoft, and even the past IBM. I could almost see IBM doing this too. Or at least lets say I would not be at all surprised if IBM did, but not that I would expect them to.
No money isn't the main issue. Some things take a company like Google and their vision for our future.
I wish more people could see that and would give them props where they are due.
Of course even more so than Google are props to Popular Science for sharing that vision and making the first moves for this to happen.
Unfortunately that's not particularly strange at all. Most coders don't own their code either, the company they work for does. Same is true for songwriters, screenwriters, etc.
Well last time I checked with my lawyer I in fact *do* own the code I write and I own the moral rights to any work I produce and those rights cannot be assigned away by copyright or any other because I am the original producer of the work.
Untrue. You as the producer of the work CAN if you desire to transfer the copyright to someone else.
The parent is correct. Most coders that work for a company, have an agreement with that company in their contract that code they write for the company is a work for hire and they require the transfer of copyright. The coder would need to agree to that to get hired there.
So that coder does have the right to transfer their copyright, and most coders do exactly that.
Can fix having to reboot the Linux kernel and patch both on disk (for if/when you do choose to reboot) as well as the running kernel in memory.
Ksplice currently works easiest with Ubuntu and Debian (Integrates with apt) but can be used more manually on other systems without package managers too apparently.
Stick? What stick? What article/summary were you reading? If the drive was encrypted, he would not have needed to swallow it in the first place. He probably just panicked and made a failed attempt at being stealthy anyhow.
The big stick. The pointy stick.
The one they will use to beat the living shit out of you for months on end until you willingly and happily give them your encryption key to make the beatings stop.
Read the article. They surgically removed the thing, with his permission, when he had not passed it after four days. Intestinal obstructions can be fatal.
So can prison.
I just don't understand why he oped for the more painful method of death. He might think he has some legal chance to get out of this, but it doesn't appear so. In fact I would say his actions show he is perfectly aware of how screwed he is/could-be.
You missed that the vulnerability depends on VBScript, which only IE supports
I didn't miss that. I did however miss where it states IE must be running with its full GUI interface in order to be a problem however...
After all, IE is in pretty much every other MS app that has to do anything with web sites, and pretty much most things to do with the internet (For some reason, MS loves redeveloping all the existing TCP protocols, but doing them over HTTP)
The IE object used for that comes with IEs VBScript, which invokes windows help center, which just in case this also needs stated, runs on top of windows which is running on a computer:P
Unless it is very specific to 7 versions of IE (major rev 6-7) and their specific GUI, vbscript, and help center systems. As I said, the article didn't seem to say, and I have F1 disabled already accrost the entire system. (Yes, IE and VBscript too are both still part of the 'entire system')
Don't be. The only reason they are doing this is because China directly threatened their bottom line by trying to steal [wired.com] some of Google's proprietary source code (their bread and butter).
Oh, so we are supposed to be pissed off at people who do evil, AND now pissed off just as much at people who do a lot of good, but only when doing that good is for free?
Gotcha
Before China did that, Google was more than happy to censor their search results and hand over dissidents just like everyone else.
Oooh, oh never mind, you don't mean the above after all. You just have your facts mixed up and all wrong.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to use a different browser? geez - they could have pointed that out in the FA. I was about to add a comment to that effect there - then I saw, written above the comment box "Sponsored by Microsoft". I guess that's why they didn't recommend trying a different browser...
I'm not positive that will solve the problem.
While IE does have it's own help system that is invoked with F1, the majority of that help system is actually part of windows and runs almost whenever you hit F1.
Basically an application must specifically trap the F1 key, and of course be running and in the foreground when you hit the key, for the exploit to not be able to function.
Firefox does have it's own F1 help system that is html/css based instead of windows help based, but the very first version of opera I used a while back DID use windows help, so you could get yourself infected in that browser too.
Instead of worrying about each browser to see if they support windows help or not, or instead of making a blanket false statement that any other browser will be OK, I wanted to lookup and find a global solution (One that works in all browsers, and in fact all applications)
Granted I don't know for sure if that is even the case, so it's really a moot point.
Right, like I'm dumb enough to grab an unknown executable from some website and tie it to my F1 key. You must have me mistaken as someone from the other topic about clueless admins who will do anything an official email tells them to.
That is why I provided an alternative. An alternative that I proposed FIRST.
But feel free to totally ignore that and bitch about the rest of my answer
I'd have a lot more respect for conservative ideology if it's practitioners would just admit they want the poor and unlucky to just. fucking. DIE. already.
As ThatGuyWithTheGlasses has said many times, the quickest and easiest way to solve world hunger, would be to kill and eat the hungry! We will be nice and full, and the hungry will not be complaining about being hungry! Problem solved.
Perhaps too the solution to poverty, is to kill and sell off all of the poor:D
How much does an entire body of organs go for on the black market again?
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Or the machines spread beacons throughout the galaxy to detect advanced lifeforms and once detected the machines send out ruthlessly efficient constructs to cure the system from the disease that is life.
The only flaw with that if the machines in question were capable of such an act, they would be life too.
Perhaps you meant organic life...
Here in 2010 it's not necessary to understand the whole computer
Strawman. No one claimed it was necessary, or that being necessary is a prereq for wanting to do it.
although part of me has a hunch that we'll find out since shareholders will demand Google not leave one of the largest markets in the world.
They have no intentions of leaving the largest market in the world, nor the top 10 largest markets.
They are just leaving China.
By your logic, all those starving people in Africa with no clean water or electricity are a much much larger market than China...
The fact they have no money is clearly beside the point, as you don't seem to feel that is a necessity to being called 'a market', so that problem is already solved.
A nation of under a million potential customers is so very far away from 'largest market' that it is embarrassing.
There are states within the USA that are larger markets than that!
Governments are the enemy of its people in all cases and in all nations.
Whoa there. Government itself is inherently sterile. Government can empower its citizens, or it can empower its leaders, but not both at the same time.
The problem is that leaders always turn government so it empowers them, not us.
So knowing in advance that governments always do this means they are your friends?
To me, that is the very definition of an enemy.
Of course this is speculation since except for the basic Apple apps, nobody managed run more than one app at the same time on the iPhone.
Over a million people are hardly nobody.
I don't recal the exact date OS 3.0 was released, but advanced iPhone users have had backgrounding of all apps ever since then. Backgrounder.app plus one of the better multitasking GUI apps from cydia or rock.
Works pretty well. Since there is no native Google Latitude app currently (It's a web-app sorta, or at least a safari-app), and leaving Safari running in the background does update my location info in google maps for my friends to see, and this works while using the iPod app for music and other normal phone interruptions...
I do kinda agree on the sluggishness, but to be honest I was expecting worse when Apple claimed iPhone would be using a stripped down OS X.
But to say no one has done a thing that over a million iPhone users have access to and a percentage of are actively using is being dishonest.
The stem cells from fetuses are from already dead, aborted fetuses. No one, that I know of, is advocating killing fetuses for the sake of getting the stem cells.
The only problem is, that is Exactly what you are advocating in a capitalist nation by placing a value on something.
Granted, I doubt that was ever the governments intent there, but it is still a concern. The government can only outlaw the practice (well, more so than it already is) but as we all know that doesn't always stop a thing from happening, it can only punish those who did after the fact.
You'd rather the stem cells end up in an incinerator instead of a lab?
Yes.
In an incinerator, the value of those stem cells becomes zero.
This means we are not increasing the value of stealing babies to harvest for stem cells on the black market.
This is a good thing.
There are other ways to obtain stem cells that do not involve the unborn and very recently born.
(Some even say those other ways work better)
Hell, they don't even have a secondary-fire button!
Sure we do, we just have to drop to DOS and edit config.sys to load rghtclck.tsr and off we go!
Now, why are the ramblings of this guy of any interest to anyone?
Because he was blown up by the unabomber of course! That makes him an expert ;}
you know what I am saying?
You down with BSD, yea you know me?
(Sorry, sorry...)
I tried that, but it keeps on binding to completely random ports whenever I start the daemon.
Just reboot often. It will keep the bad guys guessing!
Only Google, which can use its huge ad revenues to subsidize all kind of unprofitable project, can afford to do things like that.
I don't think it is limited to just Google who can afford such things. I think it is more the Google mindset that opened the door for this to happen.
I mean, Microsoft can more than afford to do it, and they are even known for using their income from profitable areas (Windows, Office) to pay for unprofitable ones (Xbox, Zune)
I just can't see Microsoft not doing something just for brownie points. Thou they have seemingly been slowly changing.
IBM could also no doubt afford to do it. These days they have a much more open mindset than Microsoft, and even the past IBM. I could almost see IBM doing this too. Or at least lets say I would not be at all surprised if IBM did, but not that I would expect them to.
No money isn't the main issue. Some things take a company like Google and their vision for our future.
I wish more people could see that and would give them props where they are due.
Of course even more so than Google are props to Popular Science for sharing that vision and making the first moves for this to happen.
Unfortunately that's not particularly strange at all. Most coders don't own their code either, the company they work for does. Same is true for songwriters, screenwriters, etc.
Well last time I checked with my lawyer I in fact *do* own the code I write and I own the moral rights to any work I produce and those rights cannot be assigned away by copyright or any other because I am the original producer of the work.
Untrue. You as the producer of the work CAN if you desire to transfer the copyright to someone else.
The parent is correct. Most coders that work for a company, have an agreement with that company in their contract that code they write for the company is a work for hire and they require the transfer of copyright.
The coder would need to agree to that to get hired there.
So that coder does have the right to transfer their copyright, and most coders do exactly that.
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My condolences on the loss of your most significant bit :{
Has anything of practical value come out of this?
Wow. That is quite similar to demanding and expecting a job and average income from a 1 year old child.
No nothing of practical value has come of something they just discovered a week ago.
It will however, and I say that with the whole history of technology as proof such breakthroughs provide practical value.
Even the Ubuntu server that I have in production seems to want an occasional reboot due to patch related processes.
apt-get install ksplice
or http://www.ksplice.org/
Can fix having to reboot the Linux kernel and patch both on disk (for if/when you do choose to reboot) as well as the running kernel in memory.
Ksplice currently works easiest with Ubuntu and Debian (Integrates with apt) but can be used more manually on other systems without package managers too apparently.
*woosh*
Stick? What stick? What article/summary were you reading? If the drive was encrypted, he would not have needed to swallow it in the first place. He probably just panicked and made a failed attempt at being stealthy anyhow.
The big stick. The pointy stick.
The one they will use to beat the living shit out of you for months on end until you willingly and happily give them your encryption key to make the beatings stop.
That stick.
Isn't this man considered innocent until proven guilty in a court of law?
No, not at all. He is in America, and we don't do that sort of thing anymore.
Read the article. They surgically removed the thing, with his permission, when he had not passed it after four days. Intestinal obstructions can be fatal.
So can prison.
I just don't understand why he oped for the more painful method of death.
He might think he has some legal chance to get out of this, but it doesn't appear so. In fact I would say his actions show he is perfectly aware of how screwed he is/could-be.
You missed that the vulnerability depends on VBScript, which only IE supports
I didn't miss that. I did however miss where it states IE must be running with its full GUI interface in order to be a problem however...
After all, IE is in pretty much every other MS app that has to do anything with web sites, and pretty much most things to do with the internet (For some reason, MS loves redeveloping all the existing TCP protocols, but doing them over HTTP)
The IE object used for that comes with IEs VBScript, which invokes windows help center, which just in case this also needs stated, runs on top of windows which is running on a computer :P
Unless it is very specific to 7 versions of IE (major rev 6-7) and their specific GUI, vbscript, and help center systems.
As I said, the article didn't seem to say, and I have F1 disabled already accrost the entire system.
(Yes, IE and VBscript too are both still part of the 'entire system')
Don't be. The only reason they are doing this is because China directly threatened their bottom line by trying to steal [wired.com] some of Google's proprietary source code (their bread and butter).
Oh, so we are supposed to be pissed off at people who do evil, AND now pissed off just as much at people who do a lot of good, but only when doing that good is for free?
Gotcha
Before China did that, Google was more than happy to censor their search results and hand over dissidents just like everyone else.
Oooh, oh never mind, you don't mean the above after all. You just have your facts mixed up and all wrong.
Carry on
Yeah because home users NEVER use outlook to get their mail from pop servers like yahoo or google.
Then it is a very good thing that blocking port 25 will not effect either of those things!
We should block port 25 from home connections completely and completely ignore all the businesses with hundreds of infected machines.
Yes. Blocking port 25 will effect neither of those things either.
Jesus Christ, use a little bit of critical thought before nerdraging.
You do know what port 25 is for right? Cuz all of your examples given are wrong, and you don't ONCE list the correct use for it.
Perhaps you should instead learn what you are talking about before attempting to talk critically about it.
When the topic is port 25, you need to post at least a few words on port 25, and not all those other unrelated random subjects you brought up instead.
Wouldn't it be simpler just to use a different browser? geez - they could have pointed that out in the FA. I was about to add a comment to that effect there - then I saw, written above the comment box "Sponsored by Microsoft". I guess that's why they didn't recommend trying a different browser...
I'm not positive that will solve the problem.
While IE does have it's own help system that is invoked with F1, the majority of that help system is actually part of windows and runs almost whenever you hit F1.
Basically an application must specifically trap the F1 key, and of course be running and in the foreground when you hit the key, for the exploit to not be able to function.
Firefox does have it's own F1 help system that is html/css based instead of windows help based, but the very first version of opera I used a while back DID use windows help, so you could get yourself infected in that browser too.
Instead of worrying about each browser to see if they support windows help or not, or instead of making a blanket false statement that any other browser will be OK, I wanted to lookup and find a global solution (One that works in all browsers, and in fact all applications)
Granted I don't know for sure if that is even the case, so it's really a moot point.
Right, like I'm dumb enough to grab an unknown executable from some website and tie it to my F1 key. You must have me mistaken as someone from the other topic about clueless admins who will do anything an official email tells them to.
That is why I provided an alternative. An alternative that I proposed FIRST.
But feel free to totally ignore that and bitch about the rest of my answer
I'd have a lot more respect for conservative ideology if it's practitioners would just admit they want the poor and unlucky to just. fucking. DIE. already.
As ThatGuyWithTheGlasses has said many times, the quickest and easiest way to solve world hunger, would be to kill and eat the hungry!
We will be nice and full, and the hungry will not be complaining about being hungry! Problem solved.
Perhaps too the solution to poverty, is to kill and sell off all of the poor :D
How much does an entire body of organs go for on the black market again?