But it is becoming more common. As more people get online (esp. in regons that don't get many IP addresses) then it's usage will have to increase. There are ISP's today in smaller countries that use NAT to get there customers online, sharing maybe 5 or 6 addresses between a few hundred people.
So for most people, yea, they don't need NAT. I agree. But you cannot accept NAT as a replacment for proper routable IP addresses. It goes against the whole idea of the internet, that every computer or device can serve data.
Would you rather have a world where the various ISP's or big companys control the only 'real' IP addresses? Where you have to pay them to setup port forwarding on there address to your server?
I'm sick of IPv6 fanboys saying this. What's the problem?
If everyone used NAT, we'd not be able to send files to eachother. P2P or VoIP just wouldn't work. Yea, most smart NAT devices can look at the protocol and work out what ports need to be opened - but if the protocol changes? What if the data is encrypted? (IPSec)
Then your screwed:)
And I'm not an IPv6 fanboy.. I just think NAT is a dead end.
Tho I personally believe Microsoft's biggest threat are themselves. They sometimes do make cool stuff (Media Player 6.4) but then quicky ruin it (Media Player 7+).
I just installed Winamp 3.0 because it supports Ogg files and I've been sorely disappointed. Can someone recommend a better Ogg player?
Winamp 2.8x or 2.9x is very nice. Better Ogg support than Winamp 3.
If you like Windows Media Player, try OggDS - it will add Ogg support to that.
There's also a plugin for Real Player in development, but I don't think anyone really uses that beyond watching RM streams.
Are you sure they just weren't playing 'Aphex Twin' music?:)
Seriously tho, that's great! Where abouts in the world are you? They never did anything like that here. I doubt they'd even be allowed. I'm no expert, but I think UK radio laws forbid stations transmitting digital data on certain bands, like the commercial FM bands. Well, raw data anyway. Most FM stations have a digital stream called RDS these days.
Anyways, sys 64738!
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There was an adapter that plugged in the tape drive connector, and the cable was plugged in CD player audio out.
Ohhhhh I remember those.
We hooked up a regular tape player to a small low-powered FM transmitter, and in two other rooms hooked up a radio reciever to the C64's using that CD adapter. Playing a C64 tape ('Ghouls' if I remember correctly, anyone remember that?) we where able to load the game on both machines at the same time from one tape. Amazingly, it worked. Most of the time. Sometimes one would load but the other would just stop mid-way.
Ahhh, those where the days!
Come to think of it, that could have been one of the first wireless networks! If only it had been two-way!
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If that was the solution, what the heck was the problem?!
I've seen things you people wouldn't believe.
... and a Quarter Pounder meal....
.. and a McFlurry please.
Um, I'd like a Big Mac and a coke.
Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion....
Ok
All those moments will be lost in time, like tears in rain.
That's very nice
Time to die. Oh, and would you like fries with that? *evil smile*
Not everyone uses NAT. Your argument is meatless.
But it is becoming more common. As more people get online (esp. in regons that don't get many IP addresses) then it's usage will have to increase. There are ISP's today in smaller countries that use NAT to get there customers online, sharing maybe 5 or 6 addresses between a few hundred people.
So for most people, yea, they don't need NAT. I agree. But you cannot accept NAT as a replacment for proper routable IP addresses. It goes against the whole idea of the internet, that every computer or device can serve data.
Would you rather have a world where the various ISP's or big companys control the only 'real' IP addresses? Where you have to pay them to setup port forwarding on there address to your server?
I'm sick of IPv6 fanboys saying this. What's the problem?
:)
.. I just think NAT is a dead end.
If everyone used NAT, we'd not be able to send files to eachother. P2P or VoIP just wouldn't work. Yea, most smart NAT devices can look at the protocol and work out what ports need to be opened - but if the protocol changes? What if the data is encrypted? (IPSec)
Then your screwed
And I'm not an IPv6 fanboy
I'm still using IPX you insensitive clod!
Use NAT. Problem solved.
NAT is a problem itself. A quick-fix for the lack of IP's, and the sooner we don't need it the better.
At least Microsoft couldn't possibly make an EPG more unstable than Sky TV in the UK.
Right?
Free publicity :)
Tho I personally believe Microsoft's biggest threat are themselves. They sometimes do make cool stuff (Media Player 6.4) but then quicky ruin it (Media Player 7+).
I just installed Winamp 3.0 because it supports Ogg files and I've been sorely disappointed. Can someone recommend a better Ogg player?
Winamp 2.8x or 2.9x is very nice. Better Ogg support than Winamp 3.
If you like Windows Media Player, try OggDS - it will add Ogg support to that.
There's also a plugin for Real Player in development, but I don't think anyone really uses that beyond watching RM streams.
GNU/TRON particles?! Quick, eject the core!!!
What's even more impressive is that it's symmetrical! 26mb/s both ways!
Now *that's* broadband!
Are there still people using Windows?
OK! I'll admit it. We use windows in our office.
Which reminds me, must get them cleaned.
Are you sure they just weren't playing 'Aphex Twin' music? :)
Seriously tho, that's great! Where abouts in the world are you? They never did anything like that here. I doubt they'd even be allowed. I'm no expert, but I think UK radio laws forbid stations transmitting digital data on certain bands, like the commercial FM bands. Well, raw data anyway. Most FM stations have a digital stream called RDS these days.
Anyways, sys 64738!
There was an adapter that plugged in the tape drive connector, and the cable was plugged in CD player audio out.
Ohhhhh I remember those.
We hooked up a regular tape player to a small low-powered FM transmitter, and in two other rooms hooked up a radio reciever to the C64's using that CD adapter. Playing a C64 tape ('Ghouls' if I remember correctly, anyone remember that?) we where able to load the game on both machines at the same time from one tape. Amazingly, it worked. Most of the time. Sometimes one would load but the other would just stop mid-way.
Ahhh, those where the days!
Come to think of it, that could have been one of the first wireless networks! If only it had been two-way!
"This ship is unsinkable", says designer of the Titanic.
Those are not spelling errors!
It's my ascii accent. Yes. That's it.
Nothing to see here! Move along!
Your working habbits will adapt to service us.
Resistance is feutile.
Have a nice day.
In sexual creatures (like people!)
Whoa, slow down there cowboy!
I predict only phantom sales for this ... thing.
Nebukadnezar - powered by ionic wind!
... hmmmmmm *eg*.
I read that as 'Ironic Wind'
The BBC's version has a picture.
If that link dosen't work, goto the BBC site and you'll find it in the News -> Science bit.
If Google = God, then does Slashdot = Satan?
EEP!
N'Sync, Spears, Idol stars, etc.
You misspelled 'idiot'.
the days of sitting crosslegged on the loungeroom floor 3 inches from the TV screen tapping stuff into a machine like that
:)
Wow, you mean I wasn't the only one?!
If you dont like parts of a movie, try to live with it.
.. but it's nice to be able to remove bits (from your own copy) without becoming a criminal.
Perhaps