True, I wasn't there and don't know exactly what happened. I do know, however, what the court documents stated happened, and what Goetz himself admitted, and what his lawyer stipulated. And according to all those sources, the kid calmly asked for five dollars. The kids surrounded him in a threatening manner, I'm not saying they weren't thugs or that he should have given them a penny. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't have shot them, and that when he did, the media here couldn't stop talking about it and the gun nuts lionized him. That much is consistent with what even Goetz himself has admitted.
(And by the way I support gun ownership; I just don't think people should have the unquestioned right to shoot every douchebag who bothers them. I also think a human life is worth more than five bucks, even if it is the life of some stupid kid who is drunk broke and angry).
What city do you ride public transportation in that you find so many thieves aboard? Or do you just avoid it altogether because television tells you that it is too dangerous? I can assure you that here in America (or at least where I've ridden public transportation since the 1980s, including Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, New Jersey, Atlanta, San Francisco, and Seattle) I've never been attacked or threatened by robbers. Aggressive panhandlers, sure, but they go away if you ignore them. I'm not saying that crime never happens, just that it's not as frequent as people like you seem to think. As for "shovers" and "loud disrespectful ghetto trash," get a grip. Subways get crowded with people on their way to or from work, sometimes shoving happens - you want to kill those people too? And you want to kill people for being loud or disrespectful? Or just for being from the ghetto?
Taliban rule is objectionable not because it's about enforcing Islam but because it's about enforcing any kind of order through such utter violence and depravity. You differ from them only in terms of the kind of order you wish to establish, not in terms of the violence and depravity you choose as your means of enforcing it.
Bad example; when working as a speech-writer for legal disputes, Demosthenes was actually criticized for revealing his arguments to his opponents before trial; though considered unethical at the time, that approach seems pretty consistent with open source. He also published all of his speeches so that students could learn from them; again, very much an open source practice.
Yeah, clean except for the stench of putrefaction and the blood stains? I've taken public transportation in every major city in the US and never found it unsafe. (Clean is a different matter but I'm not sure how littering the subways with the bodies of people you determine have the intent to commit petty theft will really improve that situation). But based on your comments it sounds like you'd be more comfortable under, say, Taliban rule.
Sorry I responded below to this point. The kids were 18-9 years old; that makes them kids in my mind. They may have been "intent" on robbing him, but what they did before he started shooting is tell him to give them five dollars. Are you seriously suggesting that they deserved to be shot for having the intent to steal five dollars?
They were all 18-9 years old; maybe I'm jaded but that makes them "kids" in my book. Yes they may have been thugs but Goetz admitted that his impetus to start shooting was he "snapped" when they "calmly" asked for five dollars. Goetz went way overboard, as even his lawyers acknowledged.
As for the rapist, Goetz had no way of knowing that one of the kids would go on to rape and beat a 19 year old girl in the Bronx, and you can't seriously be advocating the shooting as pre-emptive punishment for a crime that had not yet been committed? Or perhaps your point is it's a deterrent? Obviously it wasn't a deterrent since the kids committed crimes after the shooting. And, for the record, the rapist was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
If it was true that he had been burgled several times (the police didn't seem to think so of course), then why should he have to scare them away each time?
I'm sorry, but convenience is not a good reason for a citizen to use deadly force.
In America this wouldn't have been given a second look by the press
Yes it would have; gun nuts would have been all over it just like you are. Remember Bernie Goetz? That guy was lionized for shooting some kids on a subway for allegedly trying to rob him. Hell this guy is still giving interviews in the press almost a quarter century later.
How is this different from Windows? If you want them maximized you maximize them and then you command-tab to switch, just like you would alt-tab in windows. Neither is more intuitive than the other but at least MacOS begins by default without the apps minimized so that there is an obvious way to switch before you learn the magic keystrokes.
Again, *what* exactly doesn't just work? What task do your users mutter about not finding a solution to? And how long does it take them to find it on their own, in comparison to other OS's out there? I've helped "break in" a number of users on Macs for the first time and I haven't really seen the experience you're describing. Not at all. Yet I have seen it from longtime Windows users who are just transitioning from an older version of Windows.
What exactly doesn't "just work" in your estimation? How are we defining ""just works"? If you take a Mac from the Mac store and sit down and use it (i.e. don't install a bunch of garbage on it before you figure out how to use it), well, most people find it pretty intuitive. You say you have problems switching between "maximized" applications -- which applications are those? Most OSX programs do not start up "maximized", and usually switching applications is a matter of clicking a window behind the front one. Or clicking the red or yellow dot in the upper left hand corner of most windows and then clicking the window behind. Most people figure this out pretty quickly. If that's your best example of Macs not "just working," it seems to prove the opposite case -- Sit down in front of windows and figure out the same thing (a lot of Windows apps actually DO startup "maximized"), or a linux machine (which could look like anything depending on the window manager installed and the programs opened). Of course a Mac doesn't "just work" in the sense that no computer "just works"; the human being always needs to do something to the computer, but MacOS X does seem to make it easier to figure out what the human is supposed to do next.
You're full of it! It's not a big deal posting and driving at the same time. I'm in rush hour right now and not experiencing any problems posting to sl
The problem is that they didnt apply the patch to the OS; they applied a patch directly to the Reality Distortion Field, ensuring that this isn't a vulnerability in the first place.
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True, I wasn't there and don't know exactly what happened. I do know, however, what the court documents stated happened, and what Goetz himself admitted, and what his lawyer stipulated. And according to all those sources, the kid calmly asked for five dollars. The kids surrounded him in a threatening manner, I'm not saying they weren't thugs or that he should have given them a penny. All I'm saying is that he shouldn't have shot them, and that when he did, the media here couldn't stop talking about it and the gun nuts lionized him. That much is consistent with what even Goetz himself has admitted.
(And by the way I support gun ownership; I just don't think people should have the unquestioned right to shoot every douchebag who bothers them. I also think a human life is worth more than five bucks, even if it is the life of some stupid kid who is drunk broke and angry).
What city do you ride public transportation in that you find so many thieves aboard? Or do you just avoid it altogether because television tells you that it is too dangerous? I can assure you that here in America (or at least where I've ridden public transportation since the 1980s, including Chicago, Philadelphia, New York, New Jersey, Atlanta, San Francisco, and Seattle) I've never been attacked or threatened by robbers. Aggressive panhandlers, sure, but they go away if you ignore them. I'm not saying that crime never happens, just that it's not as frequent as people like you seem to think. As for "shovers" and "loud disrespectful ghetto trash," get a grip. Subways get crowded with people on their way to or from work, sometimes shoving happens - you want to kill those people too? And you want to kill people for being loud or disrespectful? Or just for being from the ghetto?
Taliban rule is objectionable not because it's about enforcing Islam but because it's about enforcing any kind of order through such utter violence and depravity. You differ from them only in terms of the kind of order you wish to establish, not in terms of the violence and depravity you choose as your means of enforcing it.
Great, and my point was that my facts were straight. Have a good day!
Bad example; when working as a speech-writer for legal disputes, Demosthenes was actually criticized for revealing his arguments to his opponents before trial; though considered unethical at the time, that approach seems pretty consistent with open source. He also published all of his speeches so that students could learn from them; again, very much an open source practice.
Yeah, clean except for the stench of putrefaction and the blood stains? I've taken public transportation in every major city in the US and never found it unsafe. (Clean is a different matter but I'm not sure how littering the subways with the bodies of people you determine have the intent to commit petty theft will really improve that situation). But based on your comments it sounds like you'd be more comfortable under, say, Taliban rule.
Wow slashdot's running on a Mac now?
There's an easy way to confirm this yourself with empirical data; just count up the number of posts to Usenet that mention Windows....
If you're running your OS inside a web browser, what is the web browser running on?
emacs, of course.
And until you posted that link, I had actually never heard of the guy.
That doesn't mean it wasn't all over the media; it just means you weren't paying attention.
Well what can I say to that then other than noting that you're a mean-spirited douchebag. My comments were addressed to civilized folk.
Sorry I responded below to this point. The kids were 18-9 years old; that makes them kids in my mind. They may have been "intent" on robbing him, but what they did before he started shooting is tell him to give them five dollars. Are you seriously suggesting that they deserved to be shot for having the intent to steal five dollars?
They were all 18-9 years old; maybe I'm jaded but that makes them "kids" in my book. Yes they may have been thugs but Goetz admitted that his impetus to start shooting was he "snapped" when they "calmly" asked for five dollars. Goetz went way overboard, as even his lawyers acknowledged.
As for the rapist, Goetz had no way of knowing that one of the kids would go on to rape and beat a 19 year old girl in the Bronx, and you can't seriously be advocating the shooting as pre-emptive punishment for a crime that had not yet been committed? Or perhaps your point is it's a deterrent? Obviously it wasn't a deterrent since the kids committed crimes after the shooting. And, for the record, the rapist was sentenced to 25 years in prison.
If it was true that he had been burgled several times (the police didn't seem to think so of course), then why should he have to scare them away each time?
I'm sorry, but convenience is not a good reason for a citizen to use deadly force.
In America this wouldn't have been given a second look by the press
Yes it would have; gun nuts would have been all over it just like you are. Remember Bernie Goetz? That guy was lionized for shooting some kids on a subway for allegedly trying to rob him. Hell this guy is still giving interviews in the press almost a quarter century later.
The nipple is the command key!
How is this different from Windows? If you want them maximized you maximize them and then you command-tab to switch, just like you would alt-tab in windows. Neither is more intuitive than the other but at least MacOS begins by default without the apps minimized so that there is an obvious way to switch before you learn the magic keystrokes.
Again, *what* exactly doesn't just work? What task do your users mutter about not finding a solution to? And how long does it take them to find it on their own, in comparison to other OS's out there? I've helped "break in" a number of users on Macs for the first time and I haven't really seen the experience you're describing. Not at all. Yet I have seen it from longtime Windows users who are just transitioning from an older version of Windows.
What exactly doesn't "just work" in your estimation? How are we defining ""just works"? If you take a Mac from the Mac store and sit down and use it (i.e. don't install a bunch of garbage on it before you figure out how to use it), well, most people find it pretty intuitive. You say you have problems switching between "maximized" applications -- which applications are those? Most OSX programs do not start up "maximized", and usually switching applications is a matter of clicking a window behind the front one. Or clicking the red or yellow dot in the upper left hand corner of most windows and then clicking the window behind. Most people figure this out pretty quickly. If that's your best example of Macs not "just working," it seems to prove the opposite case -- Sit down in front of windows and figure out the same thing (a lot of Windows apps actually DO startup "maximized"), or a linux machine (which could look like anything depending on the window manager installed and the programs opened). Of course a Mac doesn't "just work" in the sense that no computer "just works"; the human being always needs to do something to the computer, but MacOS X does seem to make it easier to figure out what the human is supposed to do next.
"Anonymous Coward" is very well known in the MacOS programming community.
The appropriate salutation is "a/s/l?"
Well, the price of a used Volkswagon is even cheaper; what's your point?
Well, duh. Doesn't everybody know that? This is a big deal too since this memo details the ACTA plot to ban red leads in terminal attachments.
You misspelled "incompetent."
You're full of it! It's not a big deal posting and driving at the same time. I'm in rush hour right now and not experiencing any problems posting to sl
NO CARRIER
The problem is that they didnt apply the patch to the OS; they applied a patch directly to the Reality Distortion Field, ensuring that this isn't a vulnerability in the first place.
what's so special about this silly thing?
its pricing!