most people select express, because express is right for their concerns. Wouldn't you think, DNT is right for the normal person? Who wants to be tracked? So how is it wrong?
you do not seem to know how its done in big businesses. they do not upgrade in the moment, where microsoft releases a new office version. The new version needs to mature, then to be tested, tested on a few more pc, then approved, integrated into processes, etc. etc. before its rolled out. waiting for wine to adapt is just one step more in the process.
yeah, and now have a look at ubuntu for example. pushing their own DE, which is used by no other distribution to all users by default, building own "standards" like unity-features (which thankfully are at least supported by kde now), trying new stuff like webapps extensions and stuff and moving away from all other distributions just to make money on their own.
yesterday i saw https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/department/internet/ when i googled for something... mixing opensource, proprietary stuff of questionable quality, payed apps (opensource and non opensource) together in one big apple-like appstore... maybe its soon time to leave ubuntu for a more pure linux distribution.
just have a look for example at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/cookiebreaker/ > Provides performance and from disk gain by deleting your browser cookies okay, first Bullshit: deleting cookies gives performance and significant disk space gain? I do not think so.. then: $3 USD for a cookie deletion tool? What it does can be done by a simple shellscript. and of course its only available via the website (and the software center maybe), not via apt, even when its GPLed. What extra is ubuntu doing there? And what the overall quality is from the short and long description and the screenshot, i think you can compare it to some software from a shareware CD, like we had them when windows 98 was around.
So, we need our linux distributions to be more like debian, and less like the new traits of ubuntu.
no, alsa can do "dmix", which mixes several streams together even with sounddevice which only support one stream. no fancy soundserver needed. the sample rate you want to use is most propably 44khz, as most streams are that samplerate. and yeah, for more advanced mixing you want some intermediate layer, but why something dumbed down like pulseaudio (in its default-setup), and not just alsa and mixing via gstreamer (which is quite powerful tool to mix different streams together with effects, streaming, converting, saving, etc.).
> There is no reason why a sound system like PulseAudio couldn't expose the controls the way you want. ack. pulseaudio could do it, but when i use a standard (k)ubuntu it does not do it. artsd was more advanced in its default setup at this point. And yeah, there are/were approaches, one was for example to use alsamixer on the commandline in a way that it does not see the pulseaudio (i.e running alsamixer as root while the pa server runs as user), then you could just use the alsa controls.
and yeah, nothing against gstreamer. It seems quite powerful, i used the commandlinetools of it for example to grab all desktopaudio (yeah, from pulseaudio in that case), convert it and stream it to an icecast server. Nice how easy it works, just by constructing a gstreamer-pipeline on the commandline.
there are several approaches to this. first: just use kde programs. they use kio-slaves as streams, so there will be NO local copy needed. the copy workaround is only for programs, which still do not support kio. another approach is kio-fuse, just like gnome does for GVFS to be usable by non-gnome programs.
long time it was just oss. then came sounddemons like artsd (which actually worked quite fine even via network), esd (quite crappy). they had tools like artsdsp and esddsp to transparently proxy the sound of different programs, which worked not so good most the time. Then alsa came, brought its alsadsp tool and tried to replace the backend of esd/artsd. Drivers were ported to alsa, and alsa got imporant features, which were missing from oss (multiple programs could play sound). Distros adopted alsa, in many cases you could just use alsa without a sound demon with only a small piece of config to enable multiple channels. even kde4 complely dropped artsd. Meanwhile pulseaudio came out and replaced esd. pulseaudio was much crappier, and had no useful new features.
Now the current situation is: you have almost only pulseaudio, sitting on top of alsa, hiding all the interesting stuff of alsa (an example: alsa provides for a typical soundcard about 10 different audio channels, where you can control the volume. pulseaudio hides this all and provides ONE volumecontrol. you cannot say the front jack has another volume than the rear one).
Many applications use an intermediate framework, such as gstreamer, to abstract the painful details. which of course adds latency and sources for trouble.
and that was the lindows goal. integrated wine, where the user could just run 95% of the windows software. It even worked quite fine for the software, which was the primary goal. But Lindows was not successful, because when it looks like windows and runs windows software as primary goal... you can just use windows, as it came preinstalled with your pc.
why should a user help spreading the project? when people see me being satisfied, they might consider trying it. But i will not force it on them. Linux is about choice, even the choice of not using it.
i am a happy kde User. I switched with 4.1 (4.0 was not usable) and think kde4 is really good since 4.3. Between then and now it even got much better than 3.5.x. And i would grant gnome the same fate... do your clean restart, but do it in a way, the result is better afterwards. And in a way, you reach the goal before losing all of the users.
> A moveable panel, panel applets, desktop launchers, user control of virtual desktops, menu alternatives that would remove the need for the overview -- all of these could be added easily as options. most of the listed points would be more or less major changes, nothing easily added.
The best and easiest thing would be to start again working on gnome2, releasing a gnome4 which is based on 2.
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most people select express, because express is right for their concerns. Wouldn't you think, DNT is right for the normal person? Who wants to be tracked? So how is it wrong?
> WILL
[citation needed]
chrome is not, and with chromium you are on the safe side anyway.
5 gb for 15 eur, not 15 gb, of course.
40 $?
here in germany the prices range for example on eplus from 4 eur for 150mb to 15 eur for 15 GB, GRPS flatrate after that.
I develop games in HTML5, and even some of the better Android phones out there are still garbage in running them.
Maybe you should start by searching for problems on your side ... html5 is not flash, you should not need the latest hardware for cool results.
you do not seem to know how its done in big businesses. they do not upgrade in the moment, where microsoft releases a new office version. The new version needs to mature, then to be tested, tested on a few more pc, then approved, integrated into processes, etc. etc. before its rolled out. waiting for wine to adapt is just one step more in the process.
yeah, and now have a look at ubuntu for example. pushing their own DE, which is used by no other distribution to all users by default, building own "standards" like unity-features (which thankfully are at least supported by kde now), trying new stuff like webapps extensions and stuff and moving away from all other distributions just to make money on their own.
yesterday i saw https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/department/internet/ when i googled for something ... mixing opensource, proprietary stuff of questionable quality, payed apps (opensource and non opensource) together in one big apple-like appstore ... maybe its soon time to leave ubuntu for a more pure linux distribution.
just have a look for example at https://apps.ubuntu.com/cat/applications/cookiebreaker/ ..
> Provides performance and from disk gain by deleting your browser cookies
okay, first Bullshit: deleting cookies gives performance and significant disk space gain? I do not think so
then: $3 USD for a cookie deletion tool? What it does can be done by a simple shellscript.
and of course its only available via the website (and the software center maybe), not via apt, even when its GPLed. What extra is ubuntu doing there?
And what the overall quality is from the short and long description and the screenshot, i think you can compare it to some software from a shareware CD, like we had them when windows 98 was around.
So, we need our linux distributions to be more like debian, and less like the new traits of ubuntu.
no, alsa can do "dmix", which mixes several streams together even with sounddevice which only support one stream. no fancy soundserver needed. the sample rate you want to use is most propably 44khz, as most streams are that samplerate. and yeah, for more advanced mixing you want some intermediate layer, but why something dumbed down like pulseaudio (in its default-setup), and not just alsa and mixing via gstreamer (which is quite powerful tool to mix different streams together with effects, streaming, converting, saving, etc.).
> There is no reason why a sound system like PulseAudio couldn't expose the controls the way you want.
ack. pulseaudio could do it, but when i use a standard (k)ubuntu it does not do it. artsd was more advanced in its default setup at this point.
And yeah, there are/were approaches, one was for example to use alsamixer on the commandline in a way that it does not see the pulseaudio (i.e running alsamixer as root while the pa server runs as user), then you could just use the alsa controls.
and yeah, nothing against gstreamer. It seems quite powerful, i used the commandlinetools of it for example to grab all desktopaudio (yeah, from pulseaudio in that case), convert it and stream it to an icecast server. Nice how easy it works, just by constructing a gstreamer-pipeline on the commandline.
there are several approaches to this. first: just use kde programs. they use kio-slaves as streams, so there will be NO local copy needed. the copy workaround is only for programs, which still do not support kio. another approach is kio-fuse, just like gnome does for GVFS to be usable by non-gnome programs.
your problem may still be some (most recent) games. stuff like office is, what the wine people are optimizing for.
oh, a newbie ...
long time it was just oss. then came sounddemons like artsd (which actually worked quite fine even via network), esd (quite crappy). they had tools like artsdsp and esddsp to transparently proxy the sound of different programs, which worked not so good most the time. Then alsa came, brought its alsadsp tool and tried to replace the backend of esd/artsd. Drivers were ported to alsa, and alsa got imporant features, which were missing from oss (multiple programs could play sound). Distros adopted alsa, in many cases you could just use alsa without a sound demon with only a small piece of config to enable multiple channels. even kde4 complely dropped artsd.
Meanwhile pulseaudio came out and replaced esd. pulseaudio was much crappier, and had no useful new features.
Now the current situation is: you have almost only pulseaudio, sitting on top of alsa, hiding all the interesting stuff of alsa (an example: alsa provides for a typical soundcard about 10 different audio channels, where you can control the volume. pulseaudio hides this all and provides ONE volumecontrol. you cannot say the front jack has another volume than the rear one).
Many applications use an intermediate framework, such as gstreamer, to abstract the painful details. which of course adds latency and sources for trouble.
it looks like this: http://blogs.adobe.com/penguinswf/files/penguinswf/linuxaudio.png
they are. try "smb:/" in konqueror. It will show you all the samba shares in your workgroup.
and that was the lindows goal. integrated wine, where the user could just run 95% of the windows software. It even worked quite fine for the software, which was the primary goal. But Lindows was not successful, because when it looks like windows and runs windows software as primary goal ... you can just use windows, as it came preinstalled with your pc.
why should a user help spreading the project?
when people see me being satisfied, they might consider trying it. But i will not force it on them. Linux is about choice, even the choice of not using it.
the xbox is a "me too" product.
don't you think, this should be HIS decision then?
> That's how it works for us Europeans, but it doesn't apply in the United States of 'muricah.
Good point, i think in this discussion often the laws of american people are mixed up with those from other countries.
Piracy. Using the hosts file to block calls from installers out to verification servers is pretty common.
[citation needed]
i am a happy kde User. I switched with 4.1 (4.0 was not usable) and think kde4 is really good since 4.3. Between then and now it even got much better than 3.5.x. ... do your clean restart, but do it in a way, the result is better afterwards. And in a way, you reach the goal before losing all of the users.
And i would grant gnome the same fate
try to find out, why kde 4.0 was a huge fail and with 4.1 or at least 4.2 everyone migrated, while gnome 3 was a fail and still is a fail.
nothing against some fresh new ideas, which change a lot. But make it good, and make it better than the version before.
> A moveable panel, panel applets, desktop launchers, user control of virtual desktops, menu alternatives that would remove the need for the overview -- all of these could be added easily as options.
most of the listed points would be more or less major changes, nothing easily added.
The best and easiest thing would be to start again working on gnome2, releasing a gnome4 which is based on 2.
in the title of a story.
would prevent a lot of bad written summaries.
yeah, but when they say "we do it only for one million", the answer can be "okay, then do not do it".
the "count me for" buttons are checkboxes, not radio buttons.