Or would you not mind if I broke into your house, raped your wife/partner, took your tv and computer and set fire to the place on the way out? Surely if I don't see anything wrong with those actions I shouldn't be charged with any crimes?
I love these strawmen arguments. NOT THE SAME THING. There is no physical damage or loss here. Now, if you said "would you not mind if I paid to get into your house and have a conversation with you and your wife, then left, whilst secretly taping it all" that would be closer analogy. Kinda creepy, but not illegal in many jurisdictions. And of course it doesn't sound like something to get all upset about, calling for people's heads on pikes, etc.
Just like the music industry's argument of "You can't go onto a car lot and steal a car, so why 'steal' music?". No. But if you were able to borrow a friend's car for a minute (like you borrow their CD to rip it), and use a machine to make a perfect replica of the car, I bet your friend wouldn't give a crap, and neither would anyone else.
Try going to buy CDRs at a place that does charge the levy. At London Drugs, for example (who by the way is is actively campaigning to have said levy repealed). You'll see them ring up the CDs, then ring up the levy as a separate item, just like when you buy a bottle of pop and they throw the deposit on after.
Besides, do the math: The current CD levy is 21 cents per disk, or $21 per hundred. There's one place in town I buy 100 CD-Rs for $19.99. You're telling me this place is losing $1.01 in levy cost, plus the cost of the stack of blanks for the sheer joy of supplying me with my blank CDs? No....
I might point out that there are a *lot* of places (at least in my neck of the woods) that don't seem to collect the CDR levy. Including one rather large grocery store chain that thinks it's pretty Super....
Not entirely actually... As I recall the whole thing, Nintendo got the patent and told Crimson Fire to knock it off, Crimson Fire hinted that if Nintendo didn't back off, they'd just release what they had to everyone for free as an open source project. Nintendo evidently decided it was better to have them make a commercial product sold to a few than to have it given to all who ask for free, since Crimson Fire is now selling it for the Tapwave.
True, there were no fish eaters, but one guy made omelettes almost daily for breakfast when he got in. Odors weren't that big of a problem. There was the monster stainless steel fume hood, but also the kitchen area was 3 doorways away from our cube farm. Like I say, it was in an industrial park building origially designed for lots of small tenants. You went through a doorway to a connecting corridor to the next unit, through the other door, and then into a mini-lobby to another door and then you were in the kitchen.
One place I worked was in an industrial park, and they took over half of a building. The kitchen of the place was actually the remains of a failed industrial park-ish greasy spoon, and as a result we had a commercial gas range, two huge fridges, a deep freeze, a full complement of pots, pans, etc. It was great. Nothing like being able to just walk into the kitchen and make yourself a good non-microwaved meal to make one feel at home... Mmm. Still miss making steak for lunch...
Correct. My bad, a typo. I have used Dialogic boards as well in the past and for whatever stupid reason managed to swap the two names in my mind during the composition of the previous post.
Well, I don't have to think twice, I do use it in an enterprise application. We run our entire company on it. At the head office, we don't do a huge amount of PSTN calling, but we have 4 Dialogic X100P cards in a box, which handle our "real world" call volume fine. Most of our calls are coordination and meeting calls to our staff who are far flung across Canada and the US, all through SIP clients. We've had group conversations with a dozen SIP clients in a meeting room, no worries. Just like everyone was on speakerphone. And for our staff to call one another, they just dial the relevant extension in the SIP client. Doesn't matter if they're down the hall or 2000 miles away, works the same. It's great.
It's certainly not./configure, make, make install easy, but if you put a few hours of work into it, you can have a system that's decent enough to run a business on.
And look at the horsepower needed to emulate a PSOne on a PC
What? You mean a P200 with a cheap 3D accelerator? My current Palm almost has that much juice... Remember, Bleem was targeted at a P166 running Windows as its base platform.
Backwards compatibility was one of the PS2's big selling points. Upgrade the box, but still use your old games. My daughter still plays some of her old PS1 games on the PS2. That's one of the reasons we went that route instead of a Gamecube when it was upgrade time....
Do you have any idea how the Peace Arch is laid out? The "Unauthorized Location" is a big fucking open field between two lanes of traffic, one going to the US, one to Canada, with a nice arch symbolizing the world's longest undefended border. Following that southward, the US customs building has car traffic that goes on both sides of it, rather like a McDonalds with 4 lanes on either side. If I was walking up to it for the first time, I'd have no idea which side to go to either.
Interestingly, as the site says, it's a monument to world peace. How ironic is it that you can get screamed at by a neanderthal with a rifle barely 100 years from this monument to peace?
Wow. Someone piss in your Corn Flakes this morning?
or, to use your terminology: Please for fuck's sake will you stop using hemp and marijuana interchangably in conversation? They are *NOT* the same thing.
Hemp != marijuana. It's of the same family, but it has almost no THC at all. You'd have to smoke a crate full of it to get high. But by that time you'd be dead from all the other shit in it.
There are lots of uses for hemp. And in every country that doesn't have "United States of America" in it's name, it's legal to use it for those purposes. Hemp cloting. Hemp rope. Hemp paper. Hemp oil. Hemp soap. Hemp fireboard (Ford even had a prototype car that was 70% made from this). Hell, even back during World War II, the US suddenly decided that it was a good idea to grow it again. Hemp for Victory, anyone think that was just a bunch of hippie army people trying to get high?
Quit doing the job of the War on Drugs idiots by equating hemp and marijuana.
The episodes were generally no more connected to one another than in previous serieses on the USS Enterprise.
You obviously never watched it then. The entire last 3 seasons were tightly tied in the Dominion War story arc, with only occasional episodes stepping directly outside of that arc for plot (and even then, there was still always a tie to current events), and Bajor figured prominently in a large number of stories as well, particularily the political side.
It wasn't quite Babylon 5 as far as how tightly the episodes were tied, but close.
Is for aspiring writers to keep their mouths shut about what they're doing. The article indicates that the informer(s) lived in the same part of Germany. That to me says once Sasser was out he bragged to at least a few people, one or more of which realized they just found a way to cash in. Almost every major "bust" of a virus writer has had little or nothing to do with tracing them electronically, and everything to do with waiting for a friend/acquaintance to rat them out.
The scroll wheel is very nice. I have a Zire 71 I use that works pretty well, but specifically for reading books I miss my old greyscale 320x320 SJ20 clie. That screen and that thumbwheel were a great combo for reading, especially in lower light situations. You can pick one up on Ebay for about $80 if you look for a good deal...
It's not a dupe. The first story said they were going to launch it, with some few details. Now they have launched it with more details and some first impressions.
Home Power is a very small grassroot-ish site. I've been dowloading their current issue for a couple of years now. A few months back they stopped just having a link to the issue on the front page and went to registration. The reason they need the registration is to prove how many unique visitors download and read the mag for their advertising rates on ads inside the magazine. If they can't prove their readership size, their ad rates fall. And they're not some big megacorp, they're already on a shoe-string budget. If you want to read it, sign up. They've never abused my info, and the magazine is awesome for the depth of info provided.
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Because it's usually enough work to get the PHBs to go for one (relative) unknown variable. Two is corporate suicide (for the IT guy) if anything goes wrong.
Most *clueful* people I know just use spamassassin or some sort of bayesian filter, and this returns email to a state of usefulness for them
I use both. See previous message about 5-15 a day still slipping through. Filters are not perfect. Filters will never be perfect. I am so pissed off about this, becuase I am on the verge of giving up an email address I've been using for half a decade.
You're asking *everyone* who produces such software to agree on a standard to replace SMTP to prevent spam. There are many people out there who can't, or won't, upgrade.
IIRC "we" asked everyone to get off their asses and fix the Y2K issue before Jan 1, 2000 and that worked out pretty well. This would be a much smaller effort. We all agree on a date 1 year down the road to fix the protocol and do the flipover. Hell, maybe we even work in some sort of fallback in all the software that it tries the new method first, and if the mail doesn't go through it falls back to the old SMTP standard on both ends for that message, and spits out an error report. Then we run a 3 month grace period to work out all the bugs. If you can't work in this kind of change in a year, what the hell? And really how many MTA's are there widely in use? 10? 15?
The point is this. The current system, based largely on trust in the beginning, is broken. Wringing our hands and saying "nobody will agree, let's not do anything" will cause exactly nothing to get done. It would be nice if we could get incremental change, but it's probably not going to happen if it hasn't happened in the last 7 years.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
That certainly seems to describe how the spam war is going.
No, the protocol is broken and needs to be replaced, period. You don't see people bending over backwards to keep ARCnet running these days.. It was never designed with human nature in mind, but rather based on the idea that everyone would play nice. Open relays and all that....
As I suggested to someone else down the thread, at this point spam is getting to be such a problem it's starting to limit the usefulness of email altogether. Fighting spam has been an evolutionary process for the last decade, and you know what? Spam is evolving faster than our anti-spam technology. I use both a server-side and client-side antispam solution and they both still miss 5-15 a day. If this is properly planned, i.e. everyone gets together and decideds that Mar 1, 2005 is the day the world switches to the new protocol, and to expect intermittent issues on that day, and this is publicised by everyone in all the IT departments, AOL sends out notices, and the news outlets who love braying about the latest Windows worm get the word out as well, I don't think it'll be that big a deal. And frankly, if it's done right, it won't be. The altenative is that email slowly dies off and gets replaced with something else entirely.
Basically, a lot of client=>MTA message sending relies on the ability to "forge" the origin so as to allow eg: your laptop to send "from" your company email account.
Laptops (and all users for that matter) should be using User/pass authentication on SMTP servers to send already anyway, so I am not seeing this as much of an issue. The DOSing can be an issue, but that's also possible using current technology, so I am not seeing that as a big disadvantage.
Either we change the way email works, or it stops working alltogether. Email was the Internet's killer app that is now killing the Internet. More than one person I know has decided that email is too much hassle and has gone forward to using IM exclusively, or back to a cell phone instead.
It's only a matter of time until Joe on the street starts feeling the same way, and then email systems will look like a lot of the newsgroups. Empty and abandoned except for spam.
Seriously. 1-2 days of pain to save it, or watch it fade away...
And besides, I don't think it'd be all that bad. Hotmail goes down for hours/days at a time and you don't see their users surrounding 1 Microsoft Way with pitchforks and torches.
And any 5 year old appliance server may have far more serious problems (unpatched vulnerabilities) anyway.
I imagine the problem is upgrading all those servers, or coming up with a transitionary system that allows both to exist (via trusted gateways?).
True, but if Sendmail and all of the other big mail packages got together and agreed on a date to have the upgrades available and working and then released the update packages on/by that date, you could have this auth as a switch to turn on at each SMTP server. Then when the implementation date passes, a lot of the big sites like AOL, Hotmail, etc. get it going, and if your company/ISP doesn't do so as well, you can't send mail to those folks anymore. I remember the days when open relays were the norm and then there was the big push to close them. Our company got on the RBL and couldn't send mail. That got our ass in gear to fix it right away, and nobody died. This would be much the same, methinks.
The sending SMTP box says to the receiver "I've got a message for you" Receiver caches the message, hands the source box a 32 digit random number and says I'll call back in 30 seconds by your FQDN. It does so. Receiver says "did you send me a message with the serial 'x'"? If yes, then the source in the header wasn't spoofed, and the message goes through, if not, the message gets dropped.
Almost all spam these days comes from spoofed sources. But if in this case it's still spam, it's a lot easier to track the source immediately and deal with it. Take away the ability to hide, and like mold in the sunlight, most of it will vanish without further effort.
That a federal election isn't that far off... And slogans like "Helene Scherre wants to put your kids in prison" look great on T-shirts and the news...
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Or would you not mind if I broke into your house, raped your wife/partner, took your tv and computer and set fire to the place on the way out? Surely if I don't see anything wrong with those actions I shouldn't be charged with any crimes?
I love these strawmen arguments. NOT THE SAME THING. There is no physical damage or loss here. Now, if you said "would you not mind if I paid to get into your house and have a conversation with you and your wife, then left, whilst secretly taping it all" that would be closer analogy. Kinda creepy, but not illegal in many jurisdictions. And of course it doesn't sound like something to get all upset about, calling for people's heads on pikes, etc.
Just like the music industry's argument of "You can't go onto a car lot and steal a car, so why 'steal' music?". No. But if you were able to borrow a friend's car for a minute (like you borrow their CD to rip it), and use a machine to make a perfect replica of the car, I bet your friend wouldn't give a crap, and neither would anyone else.
Oh no it's not....
Try going to buy CDRs at a place that does charge the levy. At London Drugs, for example (who by the way is is actively campaigning to have said levy repealed). You'll see them ring up the CDs, then ring up the levy as a separate item, just like when you buy a bottle of pop and they throw the deposit on after.
Besides, do the math: The current CD levy is 21 cents per disk, or $21 per hundred. There's one place in town I buy 100 CD-Rs for $19.99. You're telling me this place is losing $1.01 in levy cost, plus the cost of the stack of blanks for the sheer joy of supplying me with my blank CDs? No....
I might point out that there are a *lot* of places (at least in my neck of the woods) that don't seem to collect the CDR levy. Including one rather large grocery store chain that thinks it's pretty Super....
Not entirely actually... As I recall the whole thing, Nintendo got the patent and told Crimson Fire to knock it off, Crimson Fire hinted that if Nintendo didn't back off, they'd just release what they had to everyone for free as an open source project. Nintendo evidently decided it was better to have them make a commercial product sold to a few than to have it given to all who ask for free, since Crimson Fire is now selling it for the Tapwave.
True, there were no fish eaters, but one guy made omelettes almost daily for breakfast when he got in. Odors weren't that big of a problem. There was the monster stainless steel fume hood, but also the kitchen area was 3 doorways away from our cube farm. Like I say, it was in an industrial park building origially designed for lots of small tenants. You went through a doorway to a connecting corridor to the next unit, through the other door, and then into a mini-lobby to another door and then you were in the kitchen.
One place I worked was in an industrial park, and they took over half of a building. The kitchen of the place was actually the remains of a failed industrial park-ish greasy spoon, and as a result we had a commercial gas range, two huge fridges, a deep freeze, a full complement of pots, pans, etc. It was great. Nothing like being able to just walk into the kitchen and make yourself a good non-microwaved meal to make one feel at home... Mmm. Still miss making steak for lunch...
Correct. My bad, a typo. I have used Dialogic boards as well in the past and for whatever stupid reason managed to swap the two names in my mind during the composition of the previous post.
Well, I don't have to think twice, I do use it in an enterprise application. We run our entire company on it. At the head office, we don't do a huge amount of PSTN calling, but we have 4 Dialogic X100P cards in a box, which handle our "real world" call volume fine. Most of our calls are coordination and meeting calls to our staff who are far flung across Canada and the US, all through SIP clients. We've had group conversations with a dozen SIP clients in a meeting room, no worries. Just like everyone was on speakerphone. And for our staff to call one another, they just dial the relevant extension in the SIP client. Doesn't matter if they're down the hall or 2000 miles away, works the same. It's great.
./configure, make, make install easy, but if you put a few hours of work into it, you can have a system that's decent enough to run a business on.
It's certainly not
And look at the horsepower needed to emulate a PSOne on a PC
What? You mean a P200 with a cheap 3D accelerator? My current Palm almost has that much juice... Remember, Bleem was targeted at a P166 running Windows as its base platform.
Backwards compatibility was one of the PS2's big selling points. Upgrade the box, but still use your old games. My daughter still plays some of her old PS1 games on the PS2. That's one of the reasons we went that route instead of a Gamecube when it was upgrade time....
Do you have any idea how the Peace Arch is laid out? The "Unauthorized Location" is a big fucking open field between two lanes of traffic, one going to the US, one to Canada, with a nice arch symbolizing the world's longest undefended border. Following that southward, the US customs building has car traffic that goes on both sides of it, rather like a McDonalds with 4 lanes on either side. If I was walking up to it for the first time, I'd have no idea which side to go to either.
Interestingly, as the site says, it's a monument to world peace. How ironic is it that you can get screamed at by a neanderthal with a rifle barely 100 years from this monument to peace?
I'm not signing up for gmail, and I don't really want google to read anything I send to a gmail user
Then don't send it. Problem solved. Is there someone from Google putting a gun to your head forcing you to send it?
Wow. Someone piss in your Corn Flakes this morning?
or, to use your terminology: Please for fuck's sake will you stop using hemp and marijuana interchangably in conversation? They are *NOT* the same thing.
Hemp != marijuana. It's of the same family, but it has almost no THC at all. You'd have to smoke a crate full of it to get high. But by that time you'd be dead from all the other shit in it.
There are lots of uses for hemp. And in every country that doesn't have "United States of America" in it's name, it's legal to use it for those purposes. Hemp cloting. Hemp rope. Hemp paper. Hemp oil. Hemp soap. Hemp fireboard (Ford even had a prototype car that was 70% made from this). Hell, even back during World War II, the US suddenly decided that it was a good idea to grow it again. Hemp for Victory, anyone think that was just a bunch of hippie army people trying to get high?
Quit doing the job of the War on Drugs idiots by equating hemp and marijuana.
The episodes were generally no more connected to one another than in previous serieses on the USS Enterprise.
You obviously never watched it then. The entire last 3 seasons were tightly tied in the Dominion War story arc, with only occasional episodes stepping directly outside of that arc for plot (and even then, there was still always a tie to current events), and Bajor figured prominently in a large number of stories as well, particularily the political side.
It wasn't quite Babylon 5 as far as how tightly the episodes were tied, but close.
Is for aspiring writers to keep their mouths shut about what they're doing. The article indicates that the informer(s) lived in the same part of Germany. That to me says once Sasser was out he bragged to at least a few people, one or more of which realized they just found a way to cash in.
Almost every major "bust" of a virus writer has had little or nothing to do with tracing them electronically, and everything to do with waiting for a friend/acquaintance to rat them out.
The scroll wheel is very nice. I have a Zire 71 I use that works pretty well, but specifically for reading books I miss my old greyscale 320x320 SJ20 clie. That screen and that thumbwheel were a great combo for reading, especially in lower light situations. You can pick one up on Ebay for about $80 if you look for a good deal...
It's not a dupe. The first story said they were going to launch it, with some few details. Now they have launched it with more details and some first impressions.
Do not use that username/password.
Home Power is a very small grassroot-ish site. I've been dowloading their current issue for a couple of years now. A few months back they stopped just having a link to the issue on the front page and went to registration. The reason they need the registration is to prove how many unique visitors download and read the mag for their advertising rates on ads inside the magazine. If they can't prove their readership size, their ad rates fall. And they're not some big megacorp, they're already on a shoe-string budget. If you want to read it, sign up. They've never abused my info, and the magazine is awesome for the depth of info provided.
Because it's usually enough work to get the PHBs to go for one (relative) unknown variable. Two is corporate suicide (for the IT guy) if anything goes wrong.
Most *clueful* people I know just use spamassassin or some sort of bayesian filter, and this returns email to a state of usefulness for them
I use both. See previous message about 5-15 a day still slipping through. Filters are not perfect. Filters will never be perfect. I am so pissed off about this, becuase I am on the verge of giving up an email address I've been using for half a decade.
You're asking *everyone* who produces such software to agree on a standard to replace SMTP to prevent spam. There are many people out there who can't, or won't, upgrade.
IIRC "we" asked everyone to get off their asses and fix the Y2K issue before Jan 1, 2000 and that worked out pretty well. This would be a much smaller effort. We all agree on a date 1 year down the road to fix the protocol and do the flipover. Hell, maybe we even work in some sort of fallback in all the software that it tries the new method first, and if the mail doesn't go through it falls back to the old SMTP standard on both ends for that message, and spits out an error report. Then we run a 3 month grace period to work out all the bugs. If you can't work in this kind of change in a year, what the hell? And really how many MTA's are there widely in use? 10? 15?
The point is this. The current system, based largely on trust in the beginning, is broken. Wringing our hands and saying "nobody will agree, let's not do anything" will cause exactly nothing to get done. It would be nice if we could get incremental change, but it's probably not going to happen if it hasn't happened in the last 7 years.
"All that is necessary for the triumph of evil is that good men do nothing"
That certainly seems to describe how the spam war is going.
No, the protocol is broken and needs to be replaced, period. You don't see people bending over backwards to keep ARCnet running these days.. It was never designed with human nature in mind, but rather based on the idea that everyone would play nice. Open relays and all that....
As I suggested to someone else down the thread, at this point spam is getting to be such a problem it's starting to limit the usefulness of email altogether. Fighting spam has been an evolutionary process for the last decade, and you know what? Spam is evolving faster than our anti-spam technology. I use both a server-side and client-side antispam solution and they both still miss 5-15 a day.
If this is properly planned, i.e. everyone gets together and decideds that Mar 1, 2005 is the day the world switches to the new protocol, and to expect intermittent issues on that day, and this is publicised by everyone in all the IT departments, AOL sends out notices, and the news outlets who love braying about the latest Windows worm get the word out as well, I don't think it'll be that big a deal. And frankly, if it's done right, it won't be.
The altenative is that email slowly dies off and gets replaced with something else entirely.
Basically, a lot of client=>MTA message sending relies on the ability to "forge" the origin so as to allow eg: your laptop to send "from" your company email account.
Laptops (and all users for that matter) should be using User/pass authentication on SMTP servers to send already anyway, so I am not seeing this as much of an issue. The DOSing can be an issue, but that's also possible using current technology, so I am not seeing that as a big disadvantage.
Either we change the way email works, or it stops working alltogether. Email was the Internet's killer app that is now killing the Internet. More than one person I know has decided that email is too much hassle and has gone forward to using IM exclusively, or back to a cell phone instead.
It's only a matter of time until Joe on the street starts feeling the same way, and then email systems will look like a lot of the newsgroups. Empty and abandoned except for spam.
Seriously. 1-2 days of pain to save it, or watch it fade away...
And besides, I don't think it'd be all that bad. Hotmail goes down for hours/days at a time and you don't see their users surrounding 1 Microsoft Way with pitchforks and torches.
And any 5 year old appliance server may have far more serious problems (unpatched vulnerabilities) anyway.
I imagine the problem is upgrading all those servers, or coming up with a transitionary system that allows both to exist (via trusted gateways?).
True, but if Sendmail and all of the other big mail packages got together and agreed on a date to have the upgrades available and working and then released the update packages on/by that date, you could have this auth as a switch to turn on at each SMTP server. Then when the implementation date passes, a lot of the big sites like AOL, Hotmail, etc. get it going, and if your company/ISP doesn't do so as well, you can't send mail to those folks anymore.
I remember the days when open relays were the norm and then there was the big push to close them. Our company got on the RBL and couldn't send mail. That got our ass in gear to fix it right away, and nobody died. This would be much the same, methinks.
Seriously? Go to a syn-syn/ack-ack system.
The sending SMTP box says to the receiver "I've got a message for you" Receiver caches the message, hands the source box a 32 digit random number and says I'll call back in 30 seconds by your FQDN. It does so. Receiver says "did you send me a message with the serial 'x'"? If yes, then the source in the header wasn't spoofed, and the message goes through, if not, the message gets dropped.
Almost all spam these days comes from spoofed sources. But if in this case it's still spam, it's a lot easier to track the source immediately and deal with it. Take away the ability to hide, and like mold in the sunlight, most of it will vanish without further effort.
That a federal election isn't that far off... And slogans like "Helene Scherre wants to put your kids in prison" look great on T-shirts and the news...