How many of the complaints about 4.0 were also made about 3.0 between its announcement and release? (MMORPG references naturally aside) Basically all of them, including allegations that WotC was "pandering to videogamers" and "dumbing down the game"
And you know what? D&D 3.0 was better than 2nd edition, and D&D 3.5 is better than 3.0... (I wasnt there for the 1st-2nd edition shift)
I am definitely buying 4th edition, as I am happy about the changes proposed (many are similar to my houserules)
Sorry, but you don't have ownership of software you did not produce... you may own a license to use it, but unless you code it yourself (or pay a coder to do it for you), you do not own the software.
You can install Ubuntu in less time than it takes to install a module of memory? Wow, either your software skills are absolutely legendary in speediness, or you need to learn how to install RAM more efficiently. For me personally, installing memory takes less than a minute. I bet you did not factor in the time needed to go out to the nearest reliable computer store to buy that memory module.
For me, at least, it takes a couple of hours to get there and back... I haven't timed myself, but Im sure I can install Ubuntu in less than two hours.
Which is sad, really... for some strange combination of events, everyone in Mexico uses MSN (it had to do with Telmex pushing MSN through its Prodigy ISP, which is a near-monopoly).
I really wish I was not forced to use the MSN network (or its client at work)
I know its not the same thing, but I was reminded of the Formula 1, where there is a constant flux of new tech being incorporated to the races and later said tech being banned...
One of the best features, to my taste, of gmail is that I can quickly find an email with a specific content regardless of the subject. Same thing with files if they are full content indexed. Very true... I had to install google desktop here at work just to wade through my outlook inbox... Although I did notice a performance hit.
...but there were also dungeons to explore, traps to defuse, puzzles to solve, spells to discover, etc. Nice strawman argument.
Exactly how is a tight and complete combat system prevent you from having that?
You can run campaigns based on exploration, puzzles, intrigue, and anything else with any roleplaying system out there.
D&D has been accused for being too focused on "hack&slash" ever since I remember... So, by your argument, the whole "go into a dungeon, kill the monster, get the loot" is D&D being true to its roots.
Well, I for one welcome a campaign setting where you can walk 20 miles without meeting a 20th level NPC.
In fact, I haven't played in the realms since 2004 and don't plan on returning. But if they kill off Elminster, I will personally go out and buy the new Forgotten Realms book, just to reward them for it.
I think that the division of "party roles" responds to the fact that every character should be useful in a fight.
As you said before, a thief in the old days did nothing but pick pockets and disarm traps, the Fighter and the Paladin were the party leaders, and the Wizard could go on solo adventures after a certain level because, as long as he could properly research his enemy, nothing could stop him. This is NOT IDEAL!
The whole thing about playing a game is that everyone should be able to participate and have fun. It was NOT fun to watch the guy playing a wizard end the encounter in one round in AD&D. It is NOT fun to see "optimized" Clerics or Druids out-fight the Fighter in third edition.
And about 80% of the rules being about combat? Well, social situations are best handled through roleplaying, and no rules are going to help you if you don't roleplay in the first place.
It has already been stated in the WotC forums that you will be able to play a Gnome out of the Monster's Manual, just like you are able to play a Tiefling in 3.5 edition out of the Monster's Manual.
The Gnome and the Tiefling just traded places (from the PHB to the MM), because apparently more people these days play tieflings than gnomes.
Jack Nicholson is cool, but he's also vastly immature, which is part of his appeal I guess. Reasonable and accountable are the last things I think of when I think of the man. I think you are confusing the Actor and the Characters he often portrays.
The foursome of the Tank, DPS, Healer and Blaster as roles within a party As opposed to the foursome of Warrior, Rogue, Cleric and Wizard thats been standard since the seventies?
Feat Trees I think that "Feat Trees", "Talent Trees", etc. are an example of a good game mechanic that, regardless of where it originated, contributes to having a better game.
I think that influences has come full circle. Computer RPG's (and MMORPGS) have been influenced by Tabletop RPGs to the point that now Tabletop RPGs are now influenced by some concepts that originated in computer games.
Same thing with movies being influenced by novels or comics and viceversa...
However, I don't really think that Wizards of the Coast is designing 4th edition D&D to "copy" WoW or any other online game.
Love Apple or hate 'em, you've got to admit that they're good at getting people to drop the old broken standards and move forward. We need to put them in charge of getting the US over to metric. We can only dream
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How the heck is this "+5 insightful"??
Just as there is no "-1 I disagree", there is no "+1 I agree" moderation option.
This is just a "me too" comment, and it does not offer any insights.
And you know what? D&D 3.0 was better than 2nd edition, and D&D 3.5 is better than 3.0... (I wasnt there for the 1st-2nd edition shift)
I am definitely buying 4th edition, as I am happy about the changes proposed (many are similar to my houserules)
Well, some geek protestants had to change churches when the leadership all went creationist-crazy... I know I had to :(
Sorry, but you don't have ownership of software you did not produce... you may own a license to use it, but unless you code it yourself (or pay a coder to do it for you), you do not own the software.
For me, at least, it takes a couple of hours to get there and back... I haven't timed myself, but Im sure I can install Ubuntu in less than two hours.
Mod parent up (I just used up my points in the Cellphone Sommelier story)
Which is sad, really... for some strange combination of events, everyone in Mexico uses MSN (it had to do with Telmex pushing MSN through its Prodigy ISP, which is a near-monopoly).
I really wish I was not forced to use the MSN network (or its client at work)
Sadly, the original Olympics did not have any competitions for women... And I have no intentions of watching weiners flop around during a race!
I know its not the same thing, but I was reminded of the Formula 1, where there is a constant flux of new tech being incorporated to the races and later said tech being banned...
"Yeah, lets meet the meat!" - Said Zaphod
Is it privateering, then?
How about a Mexican...
[investigates price of swedish lessons]
...but there were also dungeons to explore, traps to defuse, puzzles to solve, spells to discover, etc. Nice strawman argument.Exactly how is a tight and complete combat system prevent you from having that?
You can run campaigns based on exploration, puzzles, intrigue, and anything else with any roleplaying system out there.
D&D has been accused for being too focused on "hack&slash" ever since I remember...
So, by your argument, the whole "go into a dungeon, kill the monster, get the loot" is D&D being true to its roots.
Well, I for one welcome a campaign setting where you can walk 20 miles without meeting a 20th level NPC.
In fact, I haven't played in the realms since 2004 and don't plan on returning.
But if they kill off Elminster, I will personally go out and buy the new Forgotten Realms book, just to reward them for it.
I think that the division of "party roles" responds to the fact that every character should be useful in a fight.
As you said before, a thief in the old days did nothing but pick pockets and disarm traps, the Fighter and the Paladin were the party leaders, and the Wizard could go on solo adventures after a certain level because, as long as he could properly research his enemy, nothing could stop him. This is NOT IDEAL!
The whole thing about playing a game is that everyone should be able to participate and have fun. It was NOT fun to watch the guy playing a wizard end the encounter in one round in AD&D. It is NOT fun to see "optimized" Clerics or Druids out-fight the Fighter in third edition.
And about 80% of the rules being about combat? Well, social situations are best handled through roleplaying, and no rules are going to help you if you don't roleplay in the first place.
It has already been stated in the WotC forums that you will be able to play a Gnome out of the Monster's Manual, just like you are able to play a Tiefling in 3.5 edition out of the Monster's Manual.
The Gnome and the Tiefling just traded places (from the PHB to the MM), because apparently more people these days play tieflings than gnomes.
I think that influences has come full circle. Computer RPG's (and MMORPGS) have been influenced by Tabletop RPGs to the point that now Tabletop RPGs are now influenced by some concepts that originated in computer games.
Same thing with movies being influenced by novels or comics and viceversa...
However, I don't really think that Wizards of the Coast is designing 4th edition D&D to "copy" WoW or any other online game.
I find it strange that you define yourself as a latin-american and yet find the word "gringo" as offensive...
And your definition is completely out of whack. A gringo is:
1- A native of the USA.
2- More rarely, any foreign caucasian.
This is true.
When you get great service/product you might tell 1-5 people, and usually only when asked.
When you get bad service/product, you tell EVERYONE AND HIS MOM
Instead of that, think that Microsoft went medieval on the US Goverment... the purchased a plenary indulgence
But please remember that most europeans have access to decent public transportation... Poor gringos have to drive everywhere...