This has nothing to do with 'marketing types' and 'blue sky thinkers'. Since the A380 Airbus have used a rigourous systems-engineering based approach to product design, starting with an analysis of the functions that the product is required to provide. This is a clear resut of the requirement to provide pilots visual information, i.e. the 'need' in you Patton argument
If it provides better information more often than it provides worse information compared with an alternative implementation then it's bought its way onto the product. If it's lighter or cheaper than the alternative then the weight and cost can be used in other systems or structure to improve overall safety or cost of ownership.
If someone comes up with an idea that has some merit it gets patented.
The aircraft industry is nothing like the software industry.
You probably did more analytical thinking when you formulated the following paragraph than the entire design team who made this crap
No. He did not. Details of execution are unimportant at the concept stage because they will be designed, analysed and tested to work at least as well as a transparency and last for thirty years in extremes of temperature, humidity and abuse.
The only thing that really counts in commercial aviation is price. Windows are heavy and expensive. Pilots are heavy and expensive. Once the industry can demonstrate safe operation without one or the other, they will be designed out.
...in the couple of months that have passed since the Microsoft/Nokia deal...
This device was developed by Nokia long before the buyout and is ready to go to market, the Nokia name still moves lots of product in the key market for this device: India. Get them hooked, in two years Windows phone OS will displace this temporary line (it's already started with the 8.1 hardware spec, which effectively permits any Android-capable hardware to run Windows Phone, on-screen buttons, no camera button etc...) Most consumers won't even know they're changing OS. Microsoft would be stupid to ditch this.
Wow! Nice to hear from the "horse's mouth", so to speak. Thank you. Funny that it now seems impossible for something to have been developed for a Windows mobile OS and only later ported to Android.
I used up my mod points tonight, and well you did post AC so it's kinda a waste. That said I agree with you. Why is it that my W8.1 tablet (ok its i5) boot up in a few seconds whereas my W8.1 phone takes over a minute? Same kernel.
I know there are examples flying, albeit briefly, but not one I can get from Target that flies me to work and back all week before refuelling with a nuclear pill...
It has many deficiencies, but MAPS? At least on the Nokia phones is by far the best out there. Bing? Yeah, I'll give you that, but half the point of WP8 is to drive Bing traffic.
At the moment most of the really useful apps are Nokia's, and mostly only available on their handsets. The basic OS without these does not compare well with Android/iOS. It will be interesting to see if with the acquisition, MS makes these apps core, either for regularly licenced copies ir these free ones. I have a high-end Lumia925, more or less iPhone quality, and a Lumia520, which for less than £100 SIM free, is almost as good. WP8 really does run well on very cheap hardware.
I still use a wince device, a very nice HP3715RX (WM2003SE) just to run the HP48 emulator (a product that HP had the wisdom to purchase from its independent developer, who now writes the software for their new calculators). I don't think it's crashed once in the last five years.
The examples were emotive. The real loss to the universe will be the maths and physics we've discovered, and DNA. These are worth preserving, if only so later intelligences can use them for comparison
I was reminded today of a far more likely avenue for 3D printing - Medecine. Since people rarely fit to a common blueprint, there is already a market for tailored body replacement parts - cartilege, structures for plastic surgery, or replacement teeth for example.
Yes, I agree entirely. This is what I meant by 'prototyping.' and it is very useful for this. On one project we were retrofitting a new system to address a changed regulation requiring the fuel tanks to be purged with 'inert' (low O2) air. We printed the unit so we could see how it could be 'threaded' through all the existing systems in the place we'd picked to install it. On new designs you can design everything together using digital mock-up but for this niche case, a physical object was much easier to deal with. Sorry for my rather strident tone in the previous post...
I am one. I do this. It's a tiny fucking deal because the cost of a failed experiment is still in the millions and beleive me, the guy making the tool die makes a thousand times fewer errors than any engineer younger than fifty does in his CAD. You do not work in my industry, obviously.
Did you mean this? This is a long long way from the printer in TFA.
Naturally, NASA isn't using just any 3D printer to pull this off. It hired Austin, Texas–based Directed Manufacturing to fabricate the injector using a printer that employs selective laser melting to fuse layer after layer of nickel-chromium alloy. Such additive metal-based printers cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Of course there is a place for such technology, especially in rapid prototyping, but you are NOT going to get commercial aeroplane turbine blades made like this in your or my lifetimes, not until you can 3D print a single metallic crystal.
I work in aerospace, where I can't see this technology being used anywhere other than prototyping in decades. The cost of a part has very little to do with 'making' it. The value is in the design, the materials, the quality control and traceability and the qualification testing. The other big industries (Automotive, Oil...) have similarly regulated practices and, although they may adopt this a little sooner, it's still decades away.
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If it provides better information more often than it provides worse information compared with an alternative implementation then it's bought its way onto the product. If it's lighter or cheaper than the alternative then the weight and cost can be used in other systems or structure to improve overall safety or cost of ownership.
If someone comes up with an idea that has some merit it gets patented.
The aircraft industry is nothing like the software industry.
You probably did more analytical thinking when you formulated the following paragraph than the entire design team who made this crap
No. He did not. Details of execution are unimportant at the concept stage because they will be designed, analysed and tested to work at least as well as a transparency and last for thirty years in extremes of temperature, humidity and abuse.
The only thing that really counts in commercial aviation is price. Windows are heavy and expensive. Pilots are heavy and expensive. Once the industry can demonstrate safe operation without one or the other, they will be designed out.
Lack of popularity in the USA FTFY
This device was developed by Nokia long before the buyout and is ready to go to market, the Nokia name still moves lots of product in the key market for this device: India. Get them hooked, in two years Windows phone OS will displace this temporary line (it's already started with the 8.1 hardware spec, which effectively permits any Android-capable hardware to run Windows Phone, on-screen buttons, no camera button etc...) Most consumers won't even know they're changing OS. Microsoft would be stupid to ditch this.
Wow! Nice to hear from the "horse's mouth", so to speak. Thank you. Funny that it now seems impossible for something to have been developed for a Windows mobile OS and only later ported to Android.
I have the developer preview of Windows Phone 8.1 on a couple of devices and the 'Swype-style' keyboard does seem to work quite well.
I used up my mod points tonight, and well you did post AC so it's kinda a waste. That said I agree with you. Why is it that my W8.1 tablet (ok its i5) boot up in a few seconds whereas my W8.1 phone takes over a minute? Same kernel.
Funny how that reminds me of the day job...
I know there are examples flying, albeit briefly, but not one I can get from Target that flies me to work and back all week before refuelling with a nuclear pill...
The temperature of the air will be around ten times ambient, so 3000K, which is more or less the stochiometric temperature for hydrocarbon fuels.
Read this for details of the isentropic flow relationships.
...but at least part of the future is here already.
It has many deficiencies, but MAPS? At least on the Nokia phones is by far the best out there. Bing? Yeah, I'll give you that, but half the point of WP8 is to drive Bing traffic.
At the moment most of the really useful apps are Nokia's, and mostly only available on their handsets. The basic OS without these does not compare well with Android/iOS. It will be interesting to see if with the acquisition, MS makes these apps core, either for regularly licenced copies ir these free ones. I have a high-end Lumia925, more or less iPhone quality, and a Lumia520, which for less than £100 SIM free, is almost as good. WP8 really does run well on very cheap hardware.
I still use a wince device, a very nice HP3715RX (WM2003SE) just to run the HP48 emulator (a product that HP had the wisdom to purchase from its independent developer, who now writes the software for their new calculators). I don't think it's crashed once in the last five years.
And there are plenty around still who'd take a little radiation poisoning for TWO Nobels
The examples were emotive. The real loss to the universe will be the maths and physics we've discovered, and DNA. These are worth preserving, if only so later intelligences can use them for comparison
At least in the cosy parts. Certainly you wouldn't want to live in a Neal Asher World (The Owner Trilogy)
oh well done! +1 funny (I wasted my mod points today)
...is no longer not even wrong ?
I was reminded today of a far more likely avenue for 3D printing - Medecine. Since people rarely fit to a common blueprint, there is already a market for tailored body replacement parts - cartilege, structures for plastic surgery, or replacement teeth for example.
Yes, I agree entirely. This is what I meant by 'prototyping.' and it is very useful for this. On one project we were retrofitting a new system to address a changed regulation requiring the fuel tanks to be purged with 'inert' (low O2) air. We printed the unit so we could see how it could be 'threaded' through all the existing systems in the place we'd picked to install it. On new designs you can design everything together using digital mock-up but for this niche case, a physical object was much easier to deal with. Sorry for my rather strident tone in the previous post...
I am one. I do this. It's a tiny fucking deal because the cost of a failed experiment is still in the millions and beleive me, the guy making the tool die makes a thousand times fewer errors than any engineer younger than fifty does in his CAD. You do not work in my industry, obviously.
even three better would be good
Naturally, NASA isn't using just any 3D printer to pull this off. It hired Austin, Texas–based Directed Manufacturing to fabricate the injector using a printer that employs selective laser melting to fuse layer after layer of nickel-chromium alloy. Such additive metal-based printers cost tens or hundreds of thousands of dollars.
Of course there is a place for such technology, especially in rapid prototyping, but you are NOT going to get commercial aeroplane turbine blades made like this in your or my lifetimes, not until you can 3D print a single metallic crystal.
I work in aerospace, where I can't see this technology being used anywhere other than prototyping in decades. The cost of a part has very little to do with 'making' it. The value is in the design, the materials, the quality control and traceability and the qualification testing. The other big industries (Automotive, Oil...) have similarly regulated practices and, although they may adopt this a little sooner, it's still decades away.