The possibilities for this are endless! Just imagine TF: Coke v Pepsi. I'm tired of demons and big guns anyways... why not run through inner-citties fragging winos and bums? It wouldn't exactly be PC, but has it ever?
Think about the servers. There's alt.* newsgroups that haven't had posts in years that just won't go away. They're like an infestation... as long as they exist on one server, they'll eventually be everywhere again.
If you wanted to use a free-for-all/GNUTella scheme, problems would definately arise, aside from the excessive ammount of traffic that'd be generated (let's face it, GNUTella is not a model of efficient bandwidth use), you'd have a whole different set of problems of how you'd deal with keeping names current. If a machine moves, how long does it take for the new IP to get redistributed? Or worse, a machine disappears, when could somebody take the name over? When could the servers dump it from their databases (I can imagine these thing's get big).
Perhaps you could put an expiration on registrations, but how long would it last? If it's too short, the sending of keepalive signals would clog the already innefficient network; if it's too long, then it doesn't solve a problem.
And we can only imagine what kind of stuff the scriptkiddies would pull on this setup; flooding the network with bogus DNS assignments, reasigning DNSs, setting up rogue servers...
This works great if you want your folders created by date recieved, length, or sender, but what happens when you want to sort your messages based on things that are not (or can't be) stored in the DB? How would you automatically create different folders based on subject matter, or importance?
If you want to do something like that, won't you be back to put everthing into a folder manually? If you carry the idea to files on your system, it scales poorly. Sure, you can sort files by what type they are, who made them, size, etc.. but how do I sort my English assignments from my Lit assignments, from CS Project proposals? Do we really want/need an AI to handle file-system accesses?
So, yes, as hard as it may be to beleive, this guy is a CS prof. Maybe he teaches those ethics classes that most schools seem to be requiring of seniors nowadays...
Yes... my doubt is raised when comments that not only didn't read the article (which happens more often than not), but also didn't even understand the headline are getting modded to +3.
I think it's time for a revolution. Break out the guilotine, and start beheading moderators.
Well, it looks like the site is NEARLY slashdotted... just slow as fsck right now. I know, in the past, this would have been a Good Thing to do to a Mac site. But now that OSX is comming out, what is the party line on Apple? Do we like it, or are they still fair to burn?
And I'm suprised that nobody has mentioned that this thing looks like an Adidas Soccer sandal...
I think you're missing the point of the argument. It's not that the employees aren't getting the source, it's that the source is not going anywhere but the computers that it's on. Take the example in the article, some company has K*n users running a piece of modified GPLed software, yet the source is not being shared with anyone, internal, or external. If that many ppl. are using the mods, I'm sure the rest of the community could be interested in them as well...
And, aside from OSS dogma (there goes my karma), what's so inherently bad about the 'little guys' trying to find out what it is that the market wants and producing it? (around here)It's a given that whoever's in microsoft's position will develop products to maintain their market share and stifle the competition, resulting in technological stagnation. It's the 'little guys', who aren't locked into the old ways of doing things (the curse of backwards compatability) that are free to do what the consumers need (as opposed to what they are told they need).
I don't think it's relevant in this case. Unless you happen to be sitting on a few fat pipes, and a large network of comps you don't know what to do with.
Thank you, somebody recognises what the 'punk' in cyberpunk means. It's not punk like the kids downtown, with their chains and torn jeans, an aesthetic, seedy, underworld kinda thing. It's not screaming 'FUCK THE MAN' for the sake of pissing somebody off. It's the way that the Western way of life is sucking the vitality out of culture. The way that the people running the show are trying to make us into cookie-cutter automatons. How we are becomming less and less able to change anything about our lives. In a way, I see the whole Free Software/Open Source thing a response to the way the computer industry has becom. But, just as punk, originally a lashing out again the whole idea of socially defined aesthic/cultural principals, became softened up, packaged and sold to the masses as a new and improved set of aesthetics, the Free/Open software model is going to become absorbed by BigBusiness and become just another way of raping the consumers and making money.
You'd think with the way the government is about to split up the company, the lawyers at M$ (ooh, do I get modded up for that?) would be taking it a little easy on this, and trying to not pull off the whole gestapo image. Every week/. has news of something evil they're doing. If I were running a multibillion dollar international company that was under threat of being MaBell'ed, I would at least try to stop doing some of the things the government was accusing me of doing. At least until after my lawyers had proven my legal right to do so.
Reality check time: What isn't being taken over and controlled by corporations, or somebody trying to make a buck off you. This is the state of our entire culture, and as far as I remember, it always has been. Every aspect of Western culture has been bought, sold, and paid for numerous times. I'm slowly realizing where the 'punk' in cyberpunk comes from... Gibson wasn't glorifying or romanticising that world, it's a warning, probably too late to be much more than a prophecy though... FTM
actually, for all those that care enough to read messages moderated down to -1 or worse, such as this one. I've kinda blown off all commercial music completely, and gone open-source. Tracked music all the way, all day. It's not only free, but every song comes with 'source-code' as part of the file. Along with that, keep in mind that all 'underground' music of the past has been made with the cheapest, easiest to get equipment available. With a cpu in every pot, and tracking software running comfortably on anything better than a 486, guess what? There is some shit going down in the pc-music scene.
It's amuzing that they are blaming the decrease on mp3 trading, when one considers that a majority of their sales over the last few years have been bankrolled by the 14-year-old-female demographic (n'sync, britney spears,et.al) or stuff that is otherwise targeted towards immature audiences (korn,manson). Perhaps if they realeased more music that appealed to a slightly more mature/inteligent audience they wouldn't be having their sales drop by this massive ammount.
Unfortunately, the abundance of teenagers with expendable cash seems to be sending our popular culture down the tubes. Look at popular music and movies, which are increasingly catering to teens (what kind of healthy society sends people like N'Sync and the Backstreet boys to the top of the charts?). It's just not right.
So, from their point of view, nothing changes, except the fact that they CAN make changes they want to the OS, and not hope that some (other)megalomaniacal corporation makes whatever changes they need. A lot of people tend to forget that before the wintel systems took over, it wasn't uncommon for places to get source licenses (although somewhat restrictive) to the OSs... (SunOS, etc)
I just can't possibly understand how some of these bulshit 'viruses' get spread. (OK, they're just really nasty worms/trojans) The idea of running some of these programs that everyone forwards on email is like having unprotected sex with some slut that you KNOW has been every guy who's as much smiled at her, and quite a few who didn't. People just don't fucking understand this shit. They forward every little worthless piece of mediocre humor to everyone they know, building up massive email lists. I'm suprised people bother opening these things. The crazy shit is that just a few years ago, one of the biggest pieces of bullshit email (after the sick kid who wanted emails from the whole world) was a warning about the "Good Times" virus. The good times virus supposedly got sent in Email, and opening it up would infect you. Yet, for some reason, the software companies still went ahead and designed mail readers that were easy targets for just this type of attack. I don't fucking understand...
Try following the link and actually reading the article... You can't just change 'a few chips' and go from 68k to PPC. This 'hack' centers around basically recycling the case/monitor from an all-in-one mac. Not really much of the original hardware left.
And with the rate at which CPUs are coming out and forcing older ones into obsolescence, the additional wear&tear on the CPU is insignificant. So, it'll only last 5 years if you overclock it? How many overclocker's would be caught dead running anything 5 years old? then there's my PPro180, that I'm too cheap to replace, running at 210.
Going over electromagnetism in physics right now... I'll never think units odd again... oh... and my physics book has a conversion factor for furlongs/fortnight on the inside front cover. (1.662E-4 m/s)
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I'm not sure if this counts as recent, but Pascal used to be the language to use in the PC Demo Scene. Of course most of it was inline ASM...
The possibilities for this are endless! Just imagine TF: Coke v Pepsi. I'm tired of demons and big guns anyways... why not run through inner-citties fragging winos and bums? It wouldn't exactly be PC, but has it ever?
Think about the servers. There's alt.* newsgroups that haven't had posts in years that just won't go away. They're like an infestation... as long as they exist on one server, they'll eventually be everywhere again.
If you wanted to use a free-for-all/GNUTella scheme, problems would definately arise, aside from the excessive ammount of traffic that'd be generated (let's face it, GNUTella is not a model of efficient bandwidth use), you'd have a whole different set of problems of how you'd deal with keeping names current. If a machine moves, how long does it take for the new IP to get redistributed? Or worse, a machine disappears, when could somebody take the name over? When could the servers dump it from their databases (I can imagine these thing's get big).
Perhaps you could put an expiration on registrations, but how long would it last? If it's too short, the sending of keepalive signals would clog the already innefficient network; if it's too long, then it doesn't solve a problem.
And we can only imagine what kind of stuff the scriptkiddies would pull on this setup; flooding the network with bogus DNS assignments, reasigning DNSs, setting up rogue servers...
Of course, w/ IPv6 rolling out, who knows...
Something about this makes me think "Tolkein", but only for a short period of time.
This works great if you want your folders created by date recieved, length, or sender, but what happens when you want to sort your messages based on things that are not (or can't be) stored in the DB? How would you automatically create different folders based on subject matter, or importance?
If you want to do something like that, won't you be back to put everthing into a folder manually? If you carry the idea to files on your system, it scales poorly. Sure, you can sort files by what type they are, who made them, size, etc.. but how do I sort my English assignments from my Lit assignments, from CS Project proposals? Do we really want/need an AI to handle file-system accesses?
From the Yale Directory
David Gelernter - gelernter-david@yale.edu
name: David Gelernter
title: Prof Computer Science
email_to: gelernter-david@yale.edu
department: Computer Science
office_phone: (203)432-1278
office_location: AKW 107
So, yes, as hard as it may be to beleive, this guy is a CS prof. Maybe he teaches those ethics classes that most schools seem to be requiring of seniors nowadays...
What's even more annoying is when you try going to a respectable porn site, such as www.hotbox.com and you make a little typo, and end up at some trashy search engine site. (like this one)
Skinning doesn't change anything about the fundamentals of the GUI, it just changes the outward appearance.
If you repaint a Yugo red, and put some stickers on it, it doesn't become NASCAR material
Yes... my doubt is raised when comments that not only didn't read the article (which happens more often than not), but also didn't even understand the headline are getting modded to +3.
I think it's time for a revolution. Break out the guilotine, and start beheading moderators.
do I get a (-1 treasonous) ?
Well, it looks like the site is NEARLY slashdotted... just slow as fsck right now. I know, in the past, this would have been a Good Thing to do to a Mac site. But now that OSX is comming out, what is the party line on Apple? Do we like it, or are they still fair to burn?
And I'm suprised that nobody has mentioned that this thing looks like an Adidas Soccer sandal...
I've never been a big fan of the corporate music machine, and I'm glad to finally see somebody sticking it to them.
h tml
Here's a suprising good, albeit somewhat rambling tirade on the current system by everyone's least favorite rock-starlet:
http://www.downward-spiral.com/music/columns/243.
I think you're missing the point of the argument. It's not that the employees aren't getting the source, it's that the source is not going anywhere but the computers that it's on. Take the example in the article, some company has K*n users running a piece of modified GPLed software, yet the source is not being shared with anyone, internal, or external. If that many ppl. are using the mods, I'm sure the rest of the community could be interested in them as well...
And, aside from OSS dogma (there goes my karma), what's so inherently bad about the 'little guys' trying to find out what it is that the market wants and producing it? (around here)It's a given that whoever's in microsoft's position will develop products to maintain their market share and stifle the competition, resulting in technological stagnation. It's the 'little guys', who aren't locked into the old ways of doing things (the curse of backwards compatability) that are free to do what the consumers need (as opposed to what they are told they need).
I don't think it's relevant in this case. Unless you happen to be sitting on a few fat pipes, and a large network of comps you don't know what to do with.
Thank you, somebody recognises what the 'punk' in cyberpunk means. It's not punk like the kids downtown, with their chains and torn jeans, an aesthetic, seedy, underworld kinda thing. It's not screaming 'FUCK THE MAN' for the sake of pissing somebody off. It's the way that the Western way of life is sucking the vitality out of culture. The way that the people running the show are trying to make us into cookie-cutter automatons. How we are becomming less and less able to change anything about our lives. In a way, I see the whole Free Software/Open Source thing a response to the way the computer industry has becom. But, just as punk, originally a lashing out again the whole idea of socially defined aesthic/cultural principals, became softened up, packaged and sold to the masses as a new and improved set of aesthetics, the Free/Open software model is going to become absorbed by BigBusiness and become just another way of raping the consumers and making money.
You'd think with the way the government is about to split up the company, the lawyers at M$ (ooh, do I get modded up for that?) would be taking it a little easy on this, and trying to not pull off the whole gestapo image. Every week /. has news of something evil they're doing. If I were running a multibillion dollar international company that was under threat of being MaBell'ed, I would at least try to stop doing some of the things the government was accusing me of doing. At least until after my lawyers had proven my legal right to do so.
Reality check time: What isn't being taken over and controlled by corporations, or somebody trying to make a buck off you. This is the state of our entire culture, and as far as I remember, it always has been. Every aspect of Western culture has been bought, sold, and paid for numerous times. I'm slowly realizing where the 'punk' in cyberpunk comes from... Gibson wasn't glorifying or romanticising that world, it's a warning, probably too late to be much more than a prophecy though... FTM
actually, for all those that care enough to read messages moderated down to -1 or worse, such as this one. I've kinda blown off all commercial music completely, and gone open-source. Tracked music all the way, all day. It's not only free, but every song comes with 'source-code' as part of the file. Along with that, keep in mind that all 'underground' music of the past has been made with the cheapest, easiest to get equipment available. With a cpu in every pot, and tracking software running comfortably on anything better than a 486, guess what? There is some shit going down in the pc-music scene.
It's amuzing that they are blaming the decrease on mp3 trading, when one considers that a majority of their sales over the last few years have been bankrolled by the 14-year-old-female demographic (n'sync, britney spears,et.al) or stuff that is otherwise targeted towards immature audiences (korn,manson). Perhaps if they realeased more music that appealed to a slightly more mature/inteligent audience they wouldn't be having their sales drop by this massive ammount.
Unfortunately, the abundance of teenagers with expendable cash seems to be sending our popular culture down the tubes. Look at popular music and movies, which are increasingly catering to teens (what kind of healthy society sends people like N'Sync and the Backstreet boys to the top of the charts?). It's just not right.
So, from their point of view, nothing changes, except the fact that they CAN make changes they want to the OS, and not hope that some (other)megalomaniacal corporation makes whatever changes they need. A lot of people tend to forget that before the wintel systems took over, it wasn't uncommon for places to get source licenses (although somewhat restrictive) to the OSs... (SunOS, etc)
I just can't possibly understand how some of these bulshit 'viruses' get spread. (OK, they're just really nasty worms/trojans) The idea of running some of these programs that everyone forwards on email is like having unprotected sex with some slut that you KNOW has been every guy who's as much smiled at her, and quite a few who didn't. People just don't fucking understand this shit. They forward every little worthless piece of mediocre humor to everyone they know, building up massive email lists. I'm suprised people bother opening these things. The crazy shit is that just a few years ago, one of the biggest pieces of bullshit email (after the sick kid who wanted emails from the whole world) was a warning about the "Good Times" virus. The good times virus supposedly got sent in Email, and opening it up would infect you. Yet, for some reason, the software companies still went ahead and designed mail readers that were easy targets for just this type of attack. I don't fucking understand...
Try following the link and actually reading the article... You can't just change 'a few chips' and go from 68k to PPC. This 'hack' centers around basically recycling the case/monitor from an all-in-one mac. Not really much of the original hardware left.
And with the rate at which CPUs are coming out and forcing older ones into obsolescence, the additional wear&tear on the CPU is insignificant. So, it'll only last 5 years if you overclock it? How many overclocker's would be caught dead running anything 5 years old? then there's my PPro180, that I'm too cheap to replace, running at 210.
Going over electromagnetism in physics right now... I'll never think units odd again... oh... and my physics book has a conversion factor for furlongs/fortnight on the inside front cover. (1.662E-4 m/s)