This is the kind of quality software that linux desperately lacks. It is interesting how wine was used here. I wonder if this will lead to the porting of other google apps like google earth.
"Can you name one instance in history where a large oppressed group gave up (long term) due to force? Are you brazen enough to think that the US could be the first to make such a group give "
The entire western hemisphere for 500-100 years ago. US colony in the Philippines (where a much bigger insurgency was squashed). Germans and Japanese who got their asses handed to them in WWII have given up their goals. These are just RECENT examples involving the US. There are far far more if you include the european colonial wars. How many Aztecs, Incas and Myans do you see around these days?
"You might not care if the game plays off 8-tracks but remember when Nintendo announced that their N64 system is going to be CARTRIDGES? Nintendo came upon a lot of attack for doing that when the Playstation and Dreamcast were advancing to CDs. So yeah, people care about the medium they're playing on. Whether they care about Blu-Ray remains to be seen, though."
um how old are you? you do know the problem with carts more than anything else was not that they stored less but that they are wicked expensive. Compare a cart to a CD and you see why carts are not as good for something that is not mobile. CDs cost pennies to make and store a lot more.
Bluray may store more but it is wicked expensive hardware and software wise (with hd textures and stuff). The compariosn you are making is true but it is the developers who care not really the consumers. In this case, bluray = carts.
ok nintendo really looks like it gets it. Lets see, innovatinv gameplay, fun games, cheap console, free online service, no episodic content, no in game ads.
"Jew Roundup? An RTS where you are a Nazi trying to gather up those pesky jews and get them to extermination camps before being over run?"
While you may be joking. I think this game would go over well with muslims in the middle east, particualrly Iran. Even here in the western hemisphere, there are countries where this would be quite popular. I'd be very surprised if it hasnt been made yet.
"Master. You are running a plantation before in the old south. You must get as much work out of your slaves and through selective breeding improve the quality of your stock?"
The second game does exist and was even used in some schools in the US in the mid 90s to teach history (it also included a mini game if shipping slaves) until it was removed.
you're joking right? are you following the news? take a look at these pictures from a large cartoon protest in london. Some of the slogans have become a big deal in the UK. Esp. with repeated references to 7/7 (you DO know what that was right?) http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4682262.stm
they do not tolerate infidels. anywhere. I can see their other goal has worked on you. snuggle up to the left so that they become blind to the obvious.
care to tell me what you think their goals are? this should be interesting. dont say something like removing occupiers from islamic land or something like that. Making a vague claim like that includes "Islamic" lands like Spain and most of europe. read some Hamas maertials about lost islamic lands in spain.
you dont seem to get it do you? the reason you cant print a picture of mohammed is because it is against islamic tradaition (note: tradition, it is not actually in the koran) . If we are to be so sensitive about what we do, to make sure it is not against islamc tradition/sharia law, we need to adjust our lives. That is what this war is about. The people we are fighting will not rest until we accept islam.
" There's an enormous difference between not having the freedom to say something because of government policy and deciding not to exercise your freedom because it would antagonize someone unnecessarily. With freedom comes responsibility."
you do realize that statement can be applied to anything. What next, do not criticize the government of a country because while you have the freedom to do so, you shouldn't unnecessarily? you have to be responsible right? that my friend is the slippery slope people keep talking about.
Also, going to a particular area and mocking the people there is a far cry from simply printing a picture of mohammed in the US or do you mean since there are muslims everywhere, no one should ever do something against islamic tradition. I eat pork and drink wine. Muslims find that offensive. What should i do?
comedy central censored it. Lots of people have called and asked them about it. I guess you can call them and ask as well if you dont believe both the cnn article and this one. They did it out of fear plain and simple and are saying a much.
"1. I disagree. I think getting killed over it would be unlikely. Was Salmon Rushdie killed?
2. Do you think going to war with a secular nation in the middle east somehow makes you less likely to get killed for T-bagging mohammad? What if anything can we (as a nation, or as individuals) do to make comedy about muslims safer?"
1. Think again. Salman rushidie has a 24/7 security detail paid for by the birtish gov and his own earnings. He cant travel or live on his own anymore. Unfortunately the people who translated his book to other languages didnt have that and are mostly dead now. I think the most recent one was a japanese translator killed last year.
2. which secular country are you talking about. Turkey? oh you meant iraq take a look at what saddam added to the flag in the 90s. It has some writing on it. Some thing about allah. Might secular of him. Stop reading democratic talking points and take a look at a geography book for god's sake,
comedy central censored them. Considering this is comedy central and the other stuff they can show, i makes think doesnt it? From the link:
"Comedy Central said in a statement issued Thursday: "In light of recent world events, we feel we made the right decision." Its executives would not comment further."
". Or do you actually believe that Saddam was helping the "terrists" and that us creating all these new "terrists" there is keeping us safe here?"
Sigh, do you only read democratic talking points? I'm actually trying to reason with you. This post and your silly jabs at Bush just makes you look like a fool.
Of course Saddam was linked to islamic terrorism. Look, dont take my word for it. Read this BBC ( hardly a pro war news outlet) article from before the war. He was never shy about it either. He openly funded suicide bombers and had links to radical islam. Just because you don't like it does not make it something Bush made up. Here are the real numbers if you dont want to click on the link:
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures
he spent at least 35 million dollars funding suicide bombers and terrorists in 3 years. oil for food money hard at work.
If you have any way of refuting this article and many others like it saying the same thing, I would be interested in seeing it. For me that is pretty hard proof of Saddam's links to Islamic terrorism. I think if you contacted the PALF, they would gladly give you the same numbers (which is where i assume the article got these suicide bomber rates from). You can argue that the BBC is manipulated by the british government, but if you look at other articles, you will see that is hardly the case. I chose them as the source for this reply since they are pretty anti war.
This link to terrorism and the fact that he had weapons of mass destruction are the main reasons why there was a war. Oh he never had WMD? you know about the gassed Kurds, some say it was done by Iran, so i will not use that as proof. Iraq admitted before the UN that it had WMD. That is why there was a UN team destroying the weapons. The question is not whether he had them it was wether he still had any still. This artilce while wikipedia has a lot more links and should serve as a good starting point for you.
Read up a little more. The fact that you actually claim saddam has no links to terrorism it a good indicator that you dont know much beyond what you have been told. Saddam was hardly a nice guy.
its not an illusion of saftey. The idea is we fight so we are free to exercise our rights without fear for our saftey. Without saftey there is no freedom you are bound by your fears. Seriously, explain to me how saftey is not connected to freedom. By your argument, china is also free. You are free to protest but they cant guarantee your safety. In the US you can have massive anti-war protests and the government (the police will try to at least) will make sure that there is no viloence. Do you see how freedom and saftey are linked?
"Do you think we'd agree to that, even under that threat? I don't. I think we'd turn big chunks of the globe to glass before we'd agree to live under Sharia law."
actually its already begun. when was the last time they could show an image of mohammed on TV or publish an image of him? do you know what will happen to you if you did? Compare that to jokes and images of other religious figures. Comedy central censosred south park a few weeks back when they tied to show mohammed holding a football helmet. why? out of fear for the safety of its staff. Pre 9/11 they were able to have an episode mocking religion and had mohammed in it. That freedom is now gone.
BTW Canada has introduced limited sharia law this past year. It is "voluntraily" at the moment (ie if you are a woman and live in a muslim area in canada, you are screwed) . So no, everyone will not resist Sharia.
"You're arguing about safety again. He's asking how it protects our freedom. You know, freedom not to be spied on by our own government?"
Salman rushidie, theo van gough, Cartoon riots. nuff said. your freedom of speech (among others) is in danger becasue there is a real possibility that you will be killed if some nutjob in the mid east disagrees with you. These are the same people we are fighting in Iraq. Here are a few very basic freedoms that would go away if we lost in iraq: 1. freedom to mock any other religion (including islam).. this one is pretty much gone now. (see the recent south park episode that got censored). Compare the cartoon riots to the reaction to the da vinci code. notice the difference?
2. freedom to drink beer, wine or a great martini 3. freedom to wear whatever clothes you want 4. freedom to go out on a date with whomever you want
none of these freedoms will go away because of the law. They will go away because people will be afaraid. Look at what happend on south park, they wanted to show a picture of mohammed handing someone a football helmet and were unable to do so. Intead we got a black screen. Comedy central censored the episode out of concern for the safey of its employees. That should really scare you.
Now, I know you're trolling. There are plenty of moderate muslims. This is the same as saying that all American are Bible-Thumping-Christians, when we damned well know that it isn't true. "
please learn to read. I used the term Islamic Fascism not Islam. I said so precisely because there are moderate muslims. If you disagree that the taliban and the bin ladens of the world preach a variety of fascism based on Islam, you have your head in the sand.
"Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. Hed better have a bodyguard."
What does that mean? I can't read the whole article (thank you NYT)
this is what the quote pulled up on google. Seems it is out of context. Seems he did get investigated as well (as he should have). Also seems it served as a good political tool.
" A Clinton reference that was run without the joke that preceded it.
When Senator Jesse Helms talked with a reporter from the Raleigh News and Observer and mentioned Bill Clinton's unpopularity on military bases in the state, he illustrated his point with an anecdote about a Southern sheriff who had just been defeated in an election. 'He had this big fella with him, about 6 foot 7and 270 pounds," said Helms. 'Somebody asked, 'Who's that?' The sheriff answered. Any body who can't get more votes than I did better have a bodyguard.' "Helms then added: 'Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He better have a bodyguard." The News and Observer ran just the Clinton reference without the entire joke that preceded it, and the Associated Press picked up the story. Soon the media were reporting that the Secret Service was investigating Helms' comments, and the editorial page of the New York Times called for Helms to step aside as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee. "
Slashdot Mirror
you mean like this NES packaging?
This is the kind of quality software that linux desperately lacks. It is interesting how wine was used here. I wonder if this will lead to the porting of other google apps like google earth.
Let me guess, MS thinks this renting business is going to kill ipod+itunes..
"Can you name one instance in history where a large oppressed group gave up (long term) due to force? Are you brazen enough to think that the US could be the first to make such a group give "
The entire western hemisphere for 500-100 years ago. US colony in the Philippines (where a much bigger insurgency was squashed). Germans and Japanese who got their asses handed to them in WWII have given up their goals. These are just RECENT examples involving the US. There are far far more if you include the european colonial wars. How many Aztecs, Incas and Myans do you see around these days?
everyone loves katamari!
"Games on DVD or CD are not significantly less expensive than games on cart were."
they may have been for the consumer, but for the developer, the cart was a major part of the cost.
"You might not care if the game plays off 8-tracks but remember when Nintendo announced that their N64 system is going to be CARTRIDGES? Nintendo came upon a lot of attack for doing that when the Playstation and Dreamcast were advancing to CDs. So yeah, people care about the medium they're playing on. Whether they care about Blu-Ray remains to be seen, though."
um how old are you? you do know the problem with carts more than anything else was not that they stored less but that they are wicked expensive. Compare a cart to a CD and you see why carts are not as good for something that is not mobile. CDs cost pennies to make and store a lot more.
Bluray may store more but it is wicked expensive hardware and software wise (with hd textures and stuff). The compariosn you are making is true but it is the developers who care not really the consumers. In this case, bluray = carts.
ok nintendo really looks like it gets it. Lets see, innovatinv gameplay, fun games, cheap console, free online service, no episodic content, no in game ads.
sounds too good to be true. But it is.
considering nintendo has NEVER released a home console for anything different, i think it is obvious.
NES - 199
SNES -199
N64 - 199
gamecube -199
therefore Wii -199
"Jew Roundup? An RTS where you are a Nazi trying to gather up those pesky jews and get them to extermination camps before being over run?"
While you may be joking. I think this game would go over well with muslims in the middle east, particualrly Iran. Even here in the western hemisphere, there are countries where this would be quite popular. I'd be very surprised if it hasnt been made yet.
"Master. You are running a plantation before in the old south. You must get as much work out of your slaves and through selective breeding improve the quality of your stock?"
The second game does exist and was even used in some schools in the US in the mid 90s to teach history (it also included a mini game if shipping slaves) until it was removed.
Final Fantasy? Dragon Quest? both are major series.
"Bull. That's not their goal. "
you're joking right? are you following the news? take a look at these pictures from a large cartoon protest in london. Some of the slogans have become a big deal in the UK. Esp. with repeated references to 7/7 (you DO know what that was right?)
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/uk_news/4682262.stm
they do not tolerate infidels. anywhere. I can see their other goal has worked on you. snuggle up to the left so that they become blind to the obvious.
care to tell me what you think their goals are? this should be interesting. dont say something like removing occupiers from islamic land or something like that. Making a vague claim like that includes "Islamic" lands like Spain and most of europe. read some Hamas maertials about lost islamic lands in spain.
you dont seem to get it do you? the reason you cant print a picture of mohammed is because it is against islamic tradaition (note: tradition, it is not actually in the koran) . If we are to be so sensitive about what we do, to make sure it is not against islamc tradition/sharia law, we need to adjust our lives. That is what this war is about. The people we are fighting will not rest until we accept islam.
"
There's an enormous difference between not having the freedom to say something because of government policy and deciding not to exercise your freedom because it would antagonize someone unnecessarily. With freedom comes responsibility."
you do realize that statement can be applied to anything. What next, do not criticize the government of a country because while you have the freedom to do so, you shouldn't unnecessarily? you have to be responsible right? that my friend is the slippery slope people keep talking about.
Also, going to a particular area and mocking the people there is a far cry from simply printing a picture of mohammed in the US or do you mean since there are muslims everywhere, no one should ever do something against islamic tradition. I eat pork and drink wine. Muslims find that offensive. What should i do?
comedy central censored it. Lots of people have called and asked them about it. I guess you can call them and ask as well if you dont believe both the cnn article and this one. They did it out of fear plain and simple and are saying a much.
"1. I disagree. I think getting killed over it would be unlikely. Was Salmon Rushdie killed?
2. Do you think going to war with a secular nation in the middle east somehow makes you less likely to get killed for T-bagging mohammad? What if anything can we (as a nation, or as individuals) do to make comedy about muslims safer?"
1. Think again. Salman rushidie has a 24/7 security detail paid for by the birtish gov and his own earnings. He cant travel or live on his own anymore. Unfortunately the people who translated his book to other languages didnt have that and are mostly dead now. I think the most recent one was a japanese translator killed last year.
2. which secular country are you talking about. Turkey? oh you meant iraq take a look at what saddam added to the flag in the 90s. It has some writing on it. Some thing about allah. Might secular of him. Stop reading democratic talking points and take a look at a geography book for god's sake,
" What is to stop you from getting a public access show, and making a skit about mohammad getting T-bagged by jesus?"
the fact that i would be killed by a muslim for it. That is the whole point i am trying to make here.
comedy central censored them. Considering this is comedy central and the other stuff they can show, i makes think doesnt it?
From the link:
"Comedy Central said in a statement issued Thursday: "In light of recent world events, we feel we made the right decision." Its executives would not comment further."
". Or do you actually believe that Saddam was helping the "terrists" and that us creating all these new "terrists" there is keeping us safe here?"
Sigh, do you only read democratic talking points? I'm actually trying to reason with you. This post and your silly jabs at Bush just makes you look like a fool.
Of course Saddam was linked to islamic terrorism. Look, dont take my word for it. Read this BBC ( hardly a pro war news outlet) article from before the war. He was never shy about it either. He openly funded suicide bombers and had links to radical islam. Just because you don't like it does not make it something Bush made up. Here are the real numbers if you dont want to click on the link:
$10,000 per family
$25,000 for family of a suicide bomber
$35m paid since September 2000
PALF figures
he spent at least 35 million dollars funding suicide bombers and terrorists in 3 years. oil for food money hard at work.
If you have any way of refuting this article and many others like it saying the same thing, I would be interested in seeing it. For me that is pretty hard proof of Saddam's links to Islamic terrorism. I think if you contacted the PALF, they would gladly give you the same numbers (which is where i assume the article got these suicide bomber rates from). You can argue that the BBC is manipulated by the british government, but if you look at other articles, you will see that is hardly the case. I chose them as the source for this reply since they are pretty anti war.
This link to terrorism and the fact that he had weapons of mass destruction are the main reasons why there was a war. Oh he never had WMD? you know about the gassed Kurds, some say it was done by Iran, so i will not use that as proof. Iraq admitted before the UN that it had WMD. That is why there was a UN team destroying the weapons. The question is not whether he had them it was wether he still had any still. This artilce while wikipedia has a lot more links and should serve as a good starting point for you.
Read up a little more. The fact that you actually claim saddam has no links to terrorism it a good indicator that you dont know much beyond what you have been told. Saddam was hardly a nice guy.
its not an illusion of saftey. The idea is we fight so we are free to exercise our rights without fear for our saftey. Without saftey there is no freedom you are bound by your fears. Seriously, explain to me how saftey is not connected to freedom. By your argument, china is also free. You are free to protest but they cant guarantee your safety. In the US you can have massive anti-war protests and the government (the police will try to at least) will make sure that there is no viloence. Do you see how freedom and saftey are linked?
"Do you think we'd agree to that, even under that threat? I don't. I think we'd turn big chunks of the globe to glass before we'd agree to live under Sharia law."
actually its already begun. when was the last time they could show an image of mohammed on TV or publish an image of him? do you know what will happen to you if you did? Compare that to jokes and images of other religious figures. Comedy central censosred south park a few weeks back when they tied to show mohammed holding a football helmet. why? out of fear for the safety of its staff. Pre 9/11 they were able to have an episode mocking religion and had mohammed in it. That freedom is now gone.
BTW Canada has introduced limited sharia law this past year. It is "voluntraily" at the moment (ie if you are a woman and live in a muslim area in canada, you are screwed) . So no, everyone will not resist Sharia.
"You're arguing about safety again. He's asking how it protects our freedom. You know, freedom not to be spied on by our own government?"
.. this one is pretty much gone now. (see the recent south park episode that got censored). Compare the cartoon riots to the reaction to the da vinci code. notice the difference?
Salman rushidie, theo van gough, Cartoon riots. nuff said. your freedom of speech (among others) is in danger becasue there is a real possibility that you will be killed if some nutjob in the mid east disagrees with you. These are the same people we are fighting in Iraq. Here are a few very basic freedoms that would go away if we lost in iraq:
1. freedom to mock any other religion (including islam)
2. freedom to drink beer, wine or a great martini
3. freedom to wear whatever clothes you want
4. freedom to go out on a date with whomever you want
none of these freedoms will go away because of the law. They will go away because people will be afaraid. Look at what happend on south park, they wanted to show a picture of mohammed handing someone a football helmet and were unable to do so. Intead we got a black screen. Comedy central censored the episode out of concern for the safey of its employees. That should really scare you.
"Eveyone knows it is a war with Islamic fascism,
Now, I know you're trolling. There are plenty of moderate muslims. This is the same as saying that all American are Bible-Thumping-Christians, when we damned well know that it isn't true.
"
please learn to read. I used the term Islamic Fascism not Islam. I said so precisely because there are moderate muslims. If you disagree that the taliban and the bin ladens of the world preach a variety of fascism based on Islam, you have your head in the sand.
"Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. Hed better have a bodyguard."
What does that mean? I can't read the whole article (thank you NYT)
this is what the quote pulled up on google. Seems it is out of context. Seems he did get investigated as well (as he should have). Also seems it served as a good political tool.
" A Clinton reference that was run without the joke that preceded it.
When Senator Jesse Helms talked with a reporter from the Raleigh News and Observer and mentioned Bill Clinton's unpopularity on military bases in the state, he illustrated his point with an anecdote about a Southern sheriff who had just been defeated in an election. 'He had this big fella with him, about 6 foot 7and 270 pounds," said Helms. 'Somebody asked, 'Who's that?' The sheriff answered. Any body who can't get more votes than I did better have a bodyguard.' "Helms then added: 'Mr. Clinton better watch out if he comes down here. He better have a bodyguard." The News and Observer ran just the Clinton reference without the entire joke that preceded it, and the Associated Press picked up the story. Soon the media were reporting that the Secret Service was investigating Helms' comments, and the editorial page of the New York Times called for Helms to step aside as chairman of the Senate Foreign Relations Committee.
"
"they save you money in the long run because they actually hold their value."
I couldnt put it better. Your G3 ibook will still fetch a 400-500 on ebay if you ever wanted to sell it.