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Everyone Hates UMD

PSP-Fanboy writes "More bad news for the UMD, which is already dying a speedy death at retail: not only are stores not stocking them, but no one really wants to buy UMD movies either. Although 40% of PSP owners claimed UMD media was a big reason why they plopped down a few hundred on Sony's pixel-spurting game brick, the complaint from actual owners is there just isn't anything worth goddamn buying on UMD."

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  1. What's new? by grogdamighty · · Score: 4, Insightful
    the complaint from actual owners is there just isn't anything worth goddamn buying on UMD.

    That's the same situation as is happening with recently released DVDs... coincidence? I think not.

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    1. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 3, Interesting

      This was actually something I mentioned on another PS3 thread ...

      One of the main reasons I don't think that a High Definition format will actually replace DVD anytime soon is that the quality of the movies isn't there. Everyone I knew upgraded their TV, Surround Sound System and even redecorated there room because they wanted the "Theater experience at home". People liked DVD because it made the Fifth Element, The Matrix, Saving Privat Ryan, The Lord of the Rings (and so on) better experiences at home; a family of four could save money on upgrading their home theater (if they had previously gone to a movie a month) in about a year.

      UMD failed because there is nothing worthwile to watch anymore; I am down to watching one movie a week and I still go to Blockbuster and spend most of my time wondering who approved a movie where Carrot Top is the President. Unless movies suddenly start improving I suspect that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will fail to become adopted because people have better things to do than watch third rate movies staring Paris Hilton.

    2. Re:What's new? by gerbalblaste · · Score: 1

      Have you no faith in the Forthcoming summer block busters?

    3. Re:What's new? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      There's always been a preponderance of crap in the theaters. That's nothing new.

      Last year did represent a significant drop in box office revenue, but that's more because of a number of overlapping incredibly successful franchises having run their course over the previous years.

      My bet is this summer puts things on an upward swing again - X-Men, Cars, Superman Returns, Pirates of the Carribean and, of course, Snakes on a Plane. ;) Next year has a lot of likely hits as well - Harry Potter, Narnia, Sin City, Spider Man.

      (Not necessarily a personal endorsement of any of those, though there are some I like. But box office numbers are a reasonable metric of a movie's ability to convince people to part with their money.)

    4. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 4, Insightful

      This is poor analysis.

      I work in film. Statistics show that most people become far more discriminating as far as their film tastes go as they get older. The sentiment is always inevitably ushered forth: movies are getting worse, etc.

      I can roughly gauge your age by what you claim you and your friends have done as far as home theaters are concerned. Film is a cyclical business. What this means is that the same kind of films are done over and over again. Universal themes are reintroduced to new generations. Once a person reaches an age when they experience the commencement of another cycle, the new iteration is matched against the original - which holds a place in heart and memory, no doubt. The new iteration cannot win. This is why Hollywood spends it's money appealing to those who are experiencing the cycle for the first time, and the young at heart. If Hollywood spent any considerable amounts of cash trying to please you and those who utter what you say - the business would be sunk.

      The UMD didn't fail because of the quality of movies. It failed because it was yet another format to keep trakc of - a format incompatible with all else. Convergence is the dog's bollocks here. Not another format.

      People aren't going to less movies because of the quality. It's because there's so much else to do. With some initative, $500, and some good pot, I can produce a really interesting movie that I can share with the world. Everyone is getting their 15 picoseconds of fame, or playing WOW or languishing in the throes of porn addiction, or posting on slashdot, or watching one of 500 available channels, or sending pictures of one's dong to prospective fuck buddies (a personal favorite).

      In short, movie quality is always poor to older people. But the quality of everything is always poor to older people. IT has nothing to do with the actual quality of the product but the nature of memory that paints everything in the past with rosy tint. It probably wasn't that rosy the first time around.

      It's a lame lament. If you feel that it's that bad, go cop some good hydro, get wasted and watch it again. Don't forget what it meant to be a kid and enjoy yourself. Trust me.

    5. Re:What's new? by Mistshadow2k4 · · Score: 3, Interesting

      "People aren't going to less movies because of the quality. It's because there's so much else to do. "

      My husband and I were avid movie-goers and DVD-collectors until two years ago. Are we older? Sure, we're older than we were two years ago, but we're not that much older. Since you work in film, take this to heart: all of the movies that have been released in the last two years really are crap. I'm not trying to troll you, I'm trying to make you understand that people aren't just saying that. It's true. And we miss having decent new movies to watch. The last DVD I bought was a copy of Citizen X on Amazon.com, a movie that premiered about 10 years ago. We haven't bought a DVD of a recent movie in 2 years now. Absolutely none of the movies released in the last 2 years appealed to us. We didn't download any of them either; they're not worth watching, not even for free.

      Make some decent movies and we will go see them and buy the DVDs. Make crap and/or DRM the DVDs to the hilt, so that I can't even take screenshots while watching it on a computer, and you won't get our money. If you really think that the reason ticket and DVD sales have fallen so is because there is more to do than you are deluded. There has always been much more to do than go to a movie theater or watch a DVD. None of that has changed. What has changed is that the movies coming out aren't worth watching.

      In short, make some decent movies, not yet another remake of an old sitcom or a movie based on a good game that is an insult to the game itself. Then sales will rise. The current decline has nothing to do with there being more to do besides go to a movie or with piracy. Those are excuses. Stop making the excuses and make some decent movies. We really do want there to be some movies worth watching again.

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    6. Re:What's new? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 2, Informative
      UMD failed because there is nothing worthwile to watch anymore; I am down to watching one movie a week and I still go to Blockbuster and spend most of my time wondering who approved a movie where Carrot Top is the President.
      The artistic quality of the content has never had anything to do with adoption of the medium. Eight Track didn't die because of the success of K.C. and the Sunshine Band. UMD just offered very little value proposition. The first rule of any medium is that it be useful. To the consumer, UMD looks like DVDs, acts like DVDs, but is not DVDs; and yet does not offer more value over a DVD. UMD is portable sure, but so is MPEG4, and MPEG4 doesn't require any special media for DRM-protected distribution. UMD was limited to the PSP and a few other Sony products, so consumers were forced to weigh the ubiquity of DVDs vs. the exclusivity of the UMD. Arguably, even Video on GBA seemed more intriguing.
      Unless movies suddenly start improving I suspect that both Blu-Ray and HD-DVD will fail to become adopted because people have better things to do than watch third rate movies staring Paris Hilton.
      I think we're looking at a VHS vs. Betamax type of war with Blue-Ray and HD-DVD. I'm placing my money on HD-DVD dominating personally. It will take a while for either to get adopted just because of the heavy investment in DVD. Then it will play out just like it did with the shift from VHS to DVD and audio cassette to CD. As soon as we start seeing entire back-catalogs released on HD-DVD/Blue-Ray there will be a compelling reason to stop collecting DVDs and start collecting the new discs.

      Porn. That what drives innovation in video technologies. The porn industry did it all before anyone did. VHS, VideoCD, DVD, streaming video, video on demand - all of it. Many people don't realize that Hollywood does watch what Porn Valley does when it comes to content distribution. Had consumers been able to get their erotica on UMD, who knows?
    7. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Next year has a lot of likely hits as well - Harry Potter, Narnia, Sin City, Spider Man.

      Uh ? I am pretty sure I thought those were in theaters last year or the year before ? [hint: this is sarcasm]

      In the whole list of movies you have, only two are news:

      "Cars" and "Snakes on a Plane".

      This may tell something, but I dont know what...

    8. Re:What's new? by ExKoopaTroopa · · Score: 1

      The whole UMD story is getting old, UMD for films failed simply because they're too expensive and less versatile than a DVD (no pun intended)

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    9. Re:What's new? by Impy+the+Impiuos+Imp · · Score: 2, Funny

      I haven't had time to RTFA, but I hate Use Magic Device, too. What a stupid skill. It makes a mockery of class separations on the one hand, and makes it harder for a fighter to use high-magic weapons they should be able to use on the other hand. Either you can use the thing, or you can't. Don't want a chaotic guy using a lawful sword just because he pumped up his UMD.

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    10. Re:What's new? by pugugly · · Score: 1

      Hmmm, maybe, maybe not. Hollywood/TV is having problem with the simple fact the HDTV highlights the body in ways that makeup no longer covers.

      While on some level I don't really mind the concept of perhaps Actors/Actresses becoming perceived as simply actractive than the artificial "Flawless" that's perceived today (Intellectually, of course we realize it's fake. My hormones are however pretty determined that, yes, of course Charlize Theron really looks like that.), is there any industry more affected by the disruption of that then Porn?

      Ultra High definition may not exactly be a boon to them in the final analysis.

      Pug

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    11. Re:What's new? by BTWR · · Score: 1

      FYI - Narnia was pushed to 2008. (but that should make that year more sucessful as well...)

    12. Re:What's new? by BTWR · · Score: 2, Insightful
      IT has nothing to do with the actual quality of the product but the nature of memory that paints everything in the past with rosy tint. It probably wasn't that rosy the first time around.

      Couldn't have said it better myself. Wish you hadn't AC'd that, because that's a perfect description of most nostalgia that goes on around this site...

      And the whole "The past 10 years have had NO good movies" arguments made below is pure crap. The past 5 years have had more excellent comic book movies combined than all of film history. Hell, they're not just "excellent comic book movies," some of them are simply excellent movies. And while I'll admit that the "Best Pictures" of the last few years do not stack up to some of the past ones (Crash, Chicago and American Beauty are no Schindler's List or Godfather Part II), but if you look at every decade, there are always a few years of "decent movies getting a break in a relaxed year" (Rocky I, The English Patient, Greatest Show on Earth).

      Plus, there is little doubt we are living through a 2nd Golden Age of television. The number of HIGH-QUALITY shows in the 00's (including some premiering in late 90s) has been amazing: 24, Alias, Sopranos, Sex & The City, Firefly, Lost, King of the Hill, Family Guy, Grey's Anatomy, Smallville, West Wing (when it was good), etc.

    13. Re:What's new? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      People aren't going to less movies because of the quality. It's because there's so much else to do.

      I beg to differ, people are finding better things to do with their time because the quality of movies is so low. Holywood is in the biggest slump of unoriginal, formulaic production in its history. Every time you get a movie (or two) that is successful you get dozens of pathetic "Me Too" movies. Because X-Men the movie was successful Marvel made Spiderman (good) but also made The Punisher, Daredevil, The Hulk, Electra, and The Fantastic Four (which were all pretty bad); not to mention the dozens of other bad comic book movies like Aeon Flux, Ultra Violet and V for Vendetta.

      I think part of what I was initially trying to say was missed though; it isn`t just the quality of the movie that is the problem with new format adoption, it is the quality of Big-Budget blockbusters that is preventing adoption. When DVD was new Computer Graphics was finally a mature enough technology to create the worlds that many directors had always dreamed of; people were excited to see all of the cool new special effects that were being produced (and they talked quite a lot about them). Today, what you can say about King Kong`s special effects is that they are a combination of the special effects that were done in Jurassic Park, Mighty Joe Young, and Godzilla (I still wish I didn`t see that movie); in other words the special effects have lost their impact because everyone has already seen them.

      The movie industry will recover as Plot and Acting regain their importance in the creation of a movie; but people don`t care if they are getting a high resolution image of two gay cowboys or from a Pimp turned rapper.

    14. Re:What's new? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1
      Hollywood/TV is having problem with the simple fact the HDTV highlights the body in ways that makeup no longer covers.
      Yeah, it is pretty embarrassing to celebs. Even on my EDTV plasma I can clearly see makeup lines and blemishes. In soap operas there's an ugly filter - that hazy vaseline on the lens effect that masks the true age of the beautiful actors. Luckily we can use digital air-brushing. Live television will suck though. :)

      The adult industry actually isn't as affected by HD's truth-telling capabilities. For one, the industry is heavily slanted toward younger actresses anyway. Contrary to the plotlines, most of these actresses are not just off the bus from nebraska, but have been vetted through a year or more of dancing/stripping or modelling. These ancillary businesses serve as a kind of sieve for the video industry.

      Also, the way adult films are segmented by both content and types of actresses makes it much easier to market imperfections. The dominant filmmaking style in the industry today is called "gonzo" as in gonzo journalism. There's a slant towards Reality (as in reality TV), so having actresses with a more natural imperfect look is a good thing. And if the actress is a total fugly - there's a genre for that too!

      The industry does have some starlets that do more than films. They model in print and online, and make appearances at import tuning and electronic entertainment conventions. There is more pressure on them to look their best. However, these starlets benefit from digital air-brushing because they are worth the cost.

      Finally, never underestimate the power of heavy MPEG and WMV compression to smooth out those rough spots ;-)
    15. Re:What's new? by montyzooooma · · Score: 1
      That's about the best analysis of the "in my day... ...was better" syndrome I've ever read. An extremely reasoned view grounded in reality.

      Are you sure you work in film?

    16. Re:What's new? by Znork · · Score: 2, Interesting

      "What this means is that the same kind of films are done over and over again."

      Sounds like it's definitely time to end the farce called copyright.

      Promoting "the progress..." eh.

    17. Re:What's new? by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      "Charlize Theron really looks like that"

      apparently you havent watched 'monster'...

    18. Re:What's new? by rho · · Score: 1
      My Netflix queue is filled with movies made in the '30s, '40s and '50s. Very few modern movies. Why? The older movies are telling a story I'd like to see, and done in an imitable style that is at once believable and larger-than-life. Watch Gene Kelly in Anchors Aweigh--his dancing is largely done in a single take. Actors these days only have to learn a handful of lines at a time because the scene will be cut and edited so mercilessly that there's no point in long, difficult takes where there's a lot of talky talky.

      Acting is now limited to a pretty person staring at a fixed point while a camera pans around them. Drama is introduced through one or more crippled orphans contracting AIDS and bird flu. Movies just aren't done well these days, though they look very good and cost a lot of money.

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    19. Re:What's new? by Golias · · Score: 1

      Some very good recent movies (YMMV, obviously):

      Million Dollar Baby
      Batman Begins
      The Life Aquatic With Steve Zissou
      The Incredibles
      House of Flying Daggers
      Shaun of the Dead
      Sin City
      Dodgeball: A True Underdog Story
      Memoirs of a Geisha
      Capote
      Walk the Line
      Transamerica
      The Aristocrats
      March of the Penguins

      There are PLENTY of good movies out there, if you look past the crappy Star Wars prequels and Tom Cruise vehicles.

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    20. Re:What's new? by just_forget_it · · Score: 1

      "I work in film."
      Translation: I was an extra in a movie once, and now I am a coffee bitch for the set of 7th heaven

      The quality of music and film HAS gone down, you know why? It's because movies are more about glittery special effects than a good story. There are some great newer movies: Count of Monte Cristo, Spiderman, X-Men, War of the Worlds, etc. The problem is that the movie and music industry has alienated their customer base by treating them like criminals. If the MPAA and RIAA had their way, you'd have to pay a fee each time you watched a DVD movie, for each person watching the movie. This is already happening, just look at Napster, Urge, Rhapsody, etc. You have to pay a monthly fee, PLUS another fee to actually download the song and make it yours. I broke it down once and you'd have to buy over 60 songs a month on Napster to make it cheaper than buying CDs or from iTunes. The industry aren't giving us a fair price, and that is why we aren't buying anymore. The cost of living is skyrocketing too, way faster than wages. So when someone has to choose between taking their family to the movies or putting gas in their car, guess which one they pick.

    21. Re:What's new? by schotty · · Score: 1

      Although I feel that the comic movies were essentially the only good ones short of LOTR, there has been crap.

      Munich was real good, but nothing else was stellar. We have a bunch of decent comic book movies and rehashed crap. AvP had promise, but was weak as all hell. The only thing that I see is this:

      Comic book themes

      Gangsta Rapper themes

      Thats about it that seems to have any thought behind it. Real selection there. Most people I know hate both genre's. I happen to be kosher with the comics (Punisher being my favorite), but not everybody is. Your parent poster was right on -- there has been absolute shit put out and that is why there is a lack of sales on all mediums. Theatre, DVD, and UMD.

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    22. Re:What's new? by Criterion · · Score: 1

      You forgot *the* biggie for next year, Halo. :D

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    23. Re:What's new? by Criterion · · Score: 1

      As far as cg and special effects, I'm of the school that, not neccessarily less is more, but that they should not be so in your face... well, unless it's a high action 'splosion fest. I prefer the seamless stuff.. where you experience immersion and might not even know there is an effect in use, such as in LOTR. Now THAT was some awesome production quality, not to mention some mind-bending effects with depth of perception. No, I'm not going to get into the discussion about how it's not 100% absolutely the same as the books. It wasn't the books, and it could not be presented that way. Different media has different audiences and different requirements.

      Personally I watch a movie to enjoy the story and not to see the effects. On that note, I agree 100% that the vast majority released in the last few years has been total shit. I probably couldn't tell you any movies released in the last year, but the most recent addition to my DVD collection was Herbie Fully Loaded. Gotta love Herbie :D. I guess that runs back around to childhood memories also, since I saw all the Herbie movies first run as a child. I do enjoy everything done by Pixar and Dreamworks and look forward to anything they do, as they seem to be the only companies capable of writing engaging stories nowdays. Finding Nemo blew me away :).

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  2. UMD writers by 9mm+Censor · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I would certainly embrace the UMD format if I could purchase a writer for it. I would rather buy a writer and blank media, and transfer my existing media to play on a PSP, but I am not gonna rebuy movies to watch on a PSP when I already have them on DVD.

    1. Re:UMD writers by Deltaspectre · · Score: 1

      Sony is just shooting themselves in the foot with all of these proprietary formats.... I'm willing to be they have a directory in root named -rf

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    2. Re:UMD writers by KDR_11k · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      I'm willing to bet they are using Windows anyway.

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  3. True True by Renraku · · Score: 3, Interesting

    Everyone does hate UMDs. Someone at work bragged about buying two movies on UMD for cheap, but realized that the DVD version is the same and that the quality blows on UMD.

    Just give the PSP a gig of flash memory so you could rip a DVD and put it in memory anyway...

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    1. Re:True True by 4D6963 · · Score: 1
      Just give the PSP a gig of flash memory so you could rip a DVD and put it in memory anyway...

      Just what GP2X users do with DivX's on 1 GB SD cards.

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    2. Re:True True by forgotten_my_nick · · Score: 1

      The quality tends to be DVD quality on the UMD as well. The real issue is that we only have 1 player in existance while the UMD costs the same as the DVD (sometimes more).

      If they halfed the prices of UMD movies they would probably sell better. Or if they allowed the media to be played on TV/Computer somehow it would be better at being adopted.

  4. Hrm.. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Note the lack of comments.

  5. cause and effect by yincrash · · Score: 3, Insightful

    don't stores not stock it because people don't buy it?

    1. Re:cause and effect by linvir · · Score: 2, Funny

      It's a vicious circle of Schrodinger's chickens and eggs. It gets worse and worse with seemingly no way out, and nobody can know which was the initial cause.

  6. Well, no, I don't by mobby_6kl · · Score: 1, Informative

    I just don't give a shit.

    But if I did, I wouldn't expect them to make any movies just for the (U|W)MD, so the only problem would be price.

  7. Wow, how strange... by Bin_jammin · · Score: 5, Insightful

    A proprietary format with no option of buying a reader/writer is dying? Hint Sony: your locked formats suck. I'm talking Minidisc, UMD, Beta, MS, etc. Nobody wants to support hardware when the only reason you're locked into it us because the parent company won't license third part manufacturing. You're a company that's on the rocks financially, and this has a lot to do with it. Join the rest of the world with standardized formats and your profits will jump. UMD itself isn't bad, but the fact that I can't write my own means I'll never buy a PSP. Yours truly, The known universe.

    1. Re:Wow, how strange... by mgabrys_sf · · Score: 0, Troll

      re:"Hint Sony: your locked formats suck. I'm talking Minidisc, UMD, Beta, MS, etc."

      You couldn't record to Betamax or Minidisc? Wow! I don't remember that. Thanks for clarifying this for us - you're swell.

    2. Re:Wow, how strange... by jrmcferren · · Score: 0

      When the mini-disc came out, I thought it was going to kill a lot of formats at once. I thought the mini-disc would replace CD-ROM, audio CD, Floppy Disk, Zip Disk, and LS-120. But then again I thought that ZIP and LS-120 would replace the floppy disk. UMD has the same potential as I thought minidisc had. Make it work like a floppy (thumb drive, etc), open the standard except for the PSP game and maybe video formats (give Sony something to keep to themselves for IP reasons) and let the UMD revolution begin. Will this happen, all I can say is Sony will make Beta VCRs again before they open up UMD.

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    3. Re:Wow, how strange... by Threni · · Score: 0

      > You couldn't record to Betamax or Minidisc? Wow! I don't remember that. Thanks
      > for clarifying this for us - you're swell.

      He might have meant the data format AAC, although you could encode to that. It wasn't Open Source though, as far as I know. I had the option to use that on my Mp3/AAC playing CD Diskman,but I stuck with MP3s, for obvious reasons (ie I'm listening to the same files on my Zen now, whereas I'd have had to reencode them if I'd gone for AAC).

    4. Re:Wow, how strange... by generic-man · · Score: 1, Informative

      You mean ATRAC3. AAC is what Apple licensed and rips to by default in iTunes, making song files incompatible with any portable player other than an iPod.

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    5. Re:Wow, how strange... by Dis*abstraction · · Score: 3, Informative

      I think you might have been referring to Sony's ATRAC, which was the format used on Minidiscs. AAC is MPEG-4 Audio.

      That said, the Zen doesn't play AAC, seriously? Why does everyone say it's more "featureful" than the iPod?

    6. Re:Wow, how strange... by Khaed · · Score: 2, Insightful

      LS-120 should have replaced the floppy. I loved those things. They were cooler than Zip because you could use floppies in them. Now, though, I'm happy with USB thumb drives as a replacement.

    7. Re:Wow, how strange... by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative
      AAC is what Apple licensed and rips to by default in iTunes, making song files incompatible with any portable player other than an iPod.
      That's a lie. AAC is just another name for "MPEG-4 Audio" (whereas MP3 is "MPEG-1 Layer 3"). There's no reason why any other portable audio player couldn't choose to support AAC; all they'd have to do is licsense it (from the MPEG people, not Apple).

      The things that only work in iPods are files "protected" by FairPlay DRM, and those only come from iTMS -- iTunes defaults to unprotected AAC for ripping.
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    8. Re:Wow, how strange... by booch · · Score: 2, Informative

      The MiniDisc format was not completely proprietary. It was developed by Sony, but licensed to nearly all of the major audio equipment companies. Over 20 manufacturers made MD players and records.

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    9. Re:Wow, how strange... by Stuart+Gibson · · Score: 1

      I loved them too, but they were doo damn unreliable and slow, especially once 250Mb Zip discs became available. I actually picked up an internal IDE card so I could have an LD120 as well as two disc drives and two HDDs.

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    10. Re:Wow, how strange... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      Not all the formats you mention were "locked". But Sony does have a talent for inventing new formats (some of them really nice — I always thought Beta was superior to VHS), and then marketing them in precisely the wrong way, guaranteeing that nobody will adopt them.

    11. Re:Wow, how strange... by Whiney+Mac+Fanboy · · Score: 1

      That said, the Zen doesn't play AAC, seriously?

      Nope, and it doesn't play ogg either, it does play wma, so I guess it's one proprietary codec up (wma) & one down (aac).

      Why does everyone say it's more "featureful" than the iPod?

      Because it's got more features? (Not that more features is neccessarily a good thing, but I would like a radio on my ipod....)

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    12. Re:Wow, how strange... by MojoStan · · Score: 1
      AAC is what Apple licensed and rips to by default in iTunes, making song files incompatible with any portable player other than an iPod.
      That's a lie. AAC is just another name for "MPEG-4 Audio" (whereas MP3 is "MPEG-1 Layer 3"). There's no reason why any other portable audio player couldn't choose to support AAC
      I don't think it's a lie, just unclear semantics. By "incompatible," I think generic-man meant that other portable audio players don't play AAC. They can play AAC if they acquire a license, but they don't.

      In a related note, the Sony PSP plays AAC from it's memory card slot. Use iTunes to rip/encode AAC files. Play them on a PSP from a 4GB Memory Stick Duo card.

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    13. Re:Wow, how strange... by Baki · · Score: 1

      Being optimistic, this is a foreshadow of what is to come if the content industry continue their ways. Sony is merely the forerunner of this way: they really think that the 'pirates' are a small minority that should be locked away, and that the public at large is happy to buy the same content over and over again (in different formats sometimes) and just watch and consume.

      Well the news is: that does not work.

      If the politicians worldwide continue to criminalize 95% of (young) people, the effect is that no consumers are left. The business models must change, if you like it or not it is unavoidable. Sony is one of the most stubborn players that do not want to face the truth. Maybe this deblacle makes them think, but somehow I doubt it.

    14. Re:Wow, how strange... by Generic+Guy · · Score: 0
      When the mini-disc came out, I thought it was going to kill a lot of formats at once.

      The major impedement to me concerning Mini-Disc was that in the end it was still a magnetic format. I've had troubles and data loss with every magnetic media I've ever dealt with, I guess I sort of a black-thumb for data. I loved when CD-Rs came out, and although some of the offshoots (like the blue-dyes) had some playback issues in first-generation computer CD-ROM drives they worked really well. Of course, this was all before we found out that CD-Rs are only good for 4 or 5 years. Anyway, MD was magnetic, and that alone turned me away from the format.

      As I recall, the MD blanks weren't all that cheap either. Like Zip disks, they couldn't compete with the floor-falling price of CD-Rs every few months. And, at the time a whole lotta computers were beginning to ship with CD-ROM standard.

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    15. Re:Wow, how strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I think generic-man meant that other portable audio players don't play AAC. They can play AAC if they acquire a license, but they don't.

      With the exception maybe of these 57 mobile phones (granted, from such obscure companys as "SonyEricsson" or "Nokia") which play AAC. And maybe Sony's announcement to support it on their dedicated (=non-phone) players also... And there are more exceptions. So I really don't see that there are no other mobile players that support AAC.

    16. Re:Wow, how strange... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      beta was great as long as you don't mind switching tapes in the middle of the movie. and having two tapes to rewind.

      VHS won not because of picture quality, but rather because Beta failed to fill a simple requirement of fitting an average length movie on one tape at release.

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    17. Re:Wow, how strange... by Lehk228 · · Score: 1

      didn't LS-120 still read and write at the same rate as floppys?

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    18. Re:Wow, how strange... by billcopc · · Score: 2, Interesting

      I apologize in advance for throwing gasoline on the flames, but rarely have I ever considered an audio company to know heads from tails about technology. Audio is audio, it has not seen any dramatic changes in decades, just incremental improvements here and there. They're far too busy playing numbers games and hyping nonsense jargon to sell the latest rehash of the same old product.

      Sony is #1 when it comes to selling us worthless garbage. They will go to great lengths to make sure their product doesn't work with anything else in the world. When MP3 was booming, Sony went and created NetMD and their stupid ATRAC-3. Why ? God why can't they just embrace standards and cash in like all their competitors do ? Sony is not Microsoft. They don't control the audio industry, they can't lead the way if nobody's following.

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    19. Re:Wow, how strange... by fm6 · · Score: 1
      That's nonsense. Beta could do up to 5 hours. I started patronizing video store while Beta was still available, and I don't recall ever seeing two-cartridge movies.

      Sony itself is probably responsible for the myth that Beta was useless for long recording times. It was stupid of them to ever try to sell L-125 tapes, which couldn't hold more than 45 minutes, even at slow speed. And although "standard" L-500 tapes could record over three hours at slow speed, I seem to recall that early Beta VCRs only had one speed -- which would mean that L-500 tapes only would last an hour, a time I hear cited a lot as the maximum for Beta recordings.

      Undoubtedly a lot of people tried those 1-hour Beta machines (which had other issues, like not being able to start and stop quickly) and said "fuck this, I'm switching to VHS". Like I said, Sony consistently shoots itself in the foot whenever it gets into a format war.

    20. Re:Wow, how strange... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      It seemed to me that the O.P. was trying to imply that other devices were prevented from playing AAC by Apple's doing, and trying to conflate it with FairPlay. In other words, it seemed like he was trying to attack Apple falsely. If he wanted to attack Apple, he could at least have attacked them for something they actually did!

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    21. Re:Wow, how strange... by Prien715 · · Score: 1

      AAC is what Apple licensed and rips to by default in iTunes, making song files incompatible with any portable player other than an iPod.

      Except when I burn my music in iTunes to CD. Seems to work pretty well then with every portable device I own.

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    22. Re:Wow, how strange... by tm2b · · Score: 1
      No, it is a lie - completely and utterly false.
      They can play AAC if they acquire a license, but they don't.
      Except that they do. Above, I posted a number of examples, the highest profile of which is the Sony Network Walkman.

      Where does this ignorant FUD keep coming coming from?
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    23. Re:Wow, how strange... by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      Sony IS a technology company and was long before they bought out loads of media companies. Good grief if you didn't want to flamed on pedantdot.org you should have checked that one first.

    24. Re:Wow, how strange... by jrmcferren · · Score: 0

      Ok, I thought MD was optical. UMD if opened up would dominiate the floppy world. To those out there I still do have and use ZIP drives. I actually have a friend that is willing to GIVE me four 100 meg zip disks.

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    25. Re:Wow, how strange... by Pichu0102 · · Score: 1


      The things that only work in iPods are files "protected" by FairPlay DRM, and those only come from iTMS -- iTunes defaults to unprotected AAC for ripping.


      Interestingly enough, I can't find an option in iTunes that allows you to rip your CDs to protected AAC format.
      Even stranger, Windows Media Player allows you to rip to a protected WMA format, or not.

    26. Re:Wow, how strange... by jandrese · · Score: 1

      But the "picture was superior" argument goes right out the window if you record at the slow speed.

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    27. Re:Wow, how strange... by burntsigil · · Score: 1

      I'd still buy a PSP (if I ever had need of a portable gaming device, which I don't), I just wouldn't buy any movies. I wouldn't mind buying games on UMD... But I'm not going to buy any movies that I ALREADY own on DVD just to be able to play them on the PSP. Personally, I don't understand why they didn't just use the Mini-DVDs as media. I'm pretty sure the storage capacity is pretty much the same. Then, at least, we'd be able to burn our own discs.

    28. Re:Wow, how strange... by fm6 · · Score: 1

      You can record over two hours at slow speed with the longer tapes. Like I said, it was stupid of Sony to even sell the shorter ones.

    29. Re:Wow, how strange... by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Does Windows Media Player still default to DRM'd WMA? I remember a less computer-savvy getting bitten by that a few years ago, when he tried to rip a CD of his own music and send the files to his family...

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    30. Re:Wow, how strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      No, it is a lie - completely and utterly false...

      Where does this ignorant FUD keep coming coming from?

      Ignorance is not the same as lying. A liar knows his/her facts are wrong. Since almost all popular music players don't play AAC, it's possible that he/she is ignorant and not lying. Also, doesn't FUD require intent?
      They can play AAC if they acquire a license, but they don't.
      Except that they do.
      Are you sure by "they" he/she was referring to all devices that play digital audio files? You must be fun at parties.
    31. Re:Wow, how strange... by HTL2001 · · Score: 1

      "featureful" does not necessarily mean "supports more formats"

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    32. Re:Wow, how strange... by BigCheese · · Score: 1

      The longer tapes had issues with stretching because the media was thinner.

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    33. Re:Wow, how strange... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      No, it is a lie

      For it to be a lie it would have to deliberately stated against his better knowledge - just beacuse it may be factually wrong, doesn't mean its a lie.

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    34. Re:Wow, how strange... by tm2b · · Score: 1

      No - one can repeat a lie without knowing that it's a lie. They probably heard it from Microsoft, who has the fascinating position that licensing WMA is more open than licensing AAC, and couldn't rub two neurons together to do actually do the google.

      We go over this pernicious nonsense often enough here that there really isn't any excuse for not knowing better.

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    35. Re:Wow, how strange... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0
      Of course, this was all before we found out that CD-Rs are only good for 4 or 5 years. Anyway, MD was magnetic, and that alone turned me away from the format.
      MD was magneto-optical, which is a rather different technology than floppies and Zip disks, and according to most reports also a lot more reliable than the organic dye based CD-R.
    36. Re:Wow, how strange... by iainl · · Score: 1

      "In a related note, the Sony PSP plays AAC from it's memory card slot."

      Really? Thanks for that. I coincidentally bought a PSP at the weekend (because they've finally launched the white one in the UK) and while the manual mentions ATRAC-3 and MP3, and the system menu has an option referring to WMA, there's nothing about AAC playback at all.

      Since I rip everything to AAC through iTunes (I also have an iPod, as my liking for the white PSP makes fairly predictable) I might actually stick some music on my memory stick after all.

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    37. Re:Wow, how strange... by LordSnooty · · Score: 1

      I'd say MP3 was a huge change in the way audio is consumed, much bigger than CD. Plus, to be fair to Sony, as they were making ARTAC players, they also made unencumbered MP3 players too. I have one. Maybe they tried to purchase cake + consume it.

    38. Re:Wow, how strange... by booch · · Score: 1

      Sony actually has a lot of technological achievements in its history. And they have led the industy in a few things -- like the Walkman and the Compact Disc.

      Sony produced the first commercially successful transistor radio. They invented the Walkman category. The Trinitron CRT tube was generally regarded as the best picture tube for decades. They seriously advanced the state of the art graphics with the PlayStation and PS2. And ATRAC and MP3 were apparently developed at the same time. So there's been quite a bit of innovation from Sony.

      Sony has also been good at technology implementation. Their Betamax standard was actually a better technology than VHS. That line of technology was actually used by TV studios for years, in higher-end components. But you are right about one thing -- they still haven't really learned their lesson about proprietary formats from Betamax.

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    39. Re:Wow, how strange... by Snaller · · Score: 1

      No

      Yes - intent matters.
      one can repeat a lie without knowing that it's a lie.

      Yes but then its not a lie - there has to be an intent to deceive.

      We go over this pernicious nonsense often enough here that there really isn't any excuse for not knowing better.

      People don't care - life is too short. I've probably forgotten it next week as well.

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    40. Re:Wow, how strange... by billcopc · · Score: 1

      Sony has been the first to successfully market many of these things, but they didn't invent them. The "walkman" name was invented by Sony, but the first portable cassette player was the "Stereobelt", patented in 1972 by a German fellow named Andreas Pavel. Sony has been paying royalties to this inventor since the 80's.

      You mention the transistor radio, that too was invented before Sony, in Indianapolis no less. You know those things people used to say about asian manufacturing, that they just copied our gadgets and built them for cheap ? It actually had some truth.

      Trinitron, well.. yeah okay that was a good one they didn't steal. Now I'm not saying Sony's never done anything good, but like Microsoft they tend to lean on the side of evil. I'm still looking forward to a 60" Sony TV because on a floor with 30 other TV's, the Sony caught my eye.. but I am suspicious, just wondering what kinds of hell I will run into after I buy the beast. I just don't trust that company.

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  8. In other news... by one-eye-johnson · · Score: 4, Funny

    the sky is still blue and shooting yourself in the foot still hurts.

  9. Wrong motive by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    The motive behind UMD is ... wrong, like most proprietary formats. UMD isn't offering anything special or technically more advance than existing formats; it exists solely to lock consumers into a proprietary format. That I believe is the primary reason it failed.

  10. *sniff* :'( by UMD · · Score: 5, Funny

    Well, fuck you too!

    1. Re:*sniff* :'( by karnal · · Score: 1

      For real. I just can't wait for an "Everybody Hates Karnal" article.

      The nerve of the editors....

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    2. Re:*sniff* :'( by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Wow, looks like UID 1000000 is coming up. Who will be the lucky recipient?

    3. Re:*sniff* :'( by SleepyHappyDoc · · Score: 1

      Yes, yes, we're all insensitive clods.

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    4. Re:*sniff* :'( by 1iar_parad0x · · Score: 1

      Yeah, I was thinking that myself. However, like that old Toyota, whose odometer I rolled back numerous times (and drove in reverse for fun), it's not a very signifigant count of anything.

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    5. Re:*sniff* :'( by Guppy06 · · Score: 1

      If people loved you, you wouldn't be a Slashdotter.

    6. Re:*sniff* :'( by pembo13 · · Score: 1

      I resent that. I am loved.

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    7. Re:*sniff* :'( by bhiestand · · Score: 0, Offtopic
      If people loved you, you wouldn't be a Slashdotter.

      I resent that. I am loved.

      Your mother doesn't count.
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  11. PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

    I don't think Sony still has any idea what kind of a giant PR disaster the PSP has been for them.

    All the way through the leadup to the PSP the gaming press was falling all over themselves to fawn over the PSP, predicting glory and conquest for their new handheld overlord. Sony said the PSP would change everything for the handheld market, and the press believed it. Then the PSP came out and it was mostly a dud; the thing didn't get any games worth playing for nearly a year, the sales weren't even high enough to outsell the GBA week to week in America, and an awful lot of the things Sony promised just plain never panned out. Meanwhile in the Japanese market, embarassingly enough, the gimmicky, ugly little Nintendo DS wound up turning into a market revolution bigger than even the PSP's wildest dreams. As the months passed after launch and the PSP increasingly failed to take over the world, the gaming press began to get a bit embarrassed. They began to realize, in the runup to the PSP launch, how many times Sony had lied to them-- and, more importantly, they realized they'd been made to look like fools.

    I think the PS3 coverage has just been one extended backlash from the media for the way Sony used them. Because the PS3 coverage has been if anything the polar opposite of the PSP. The gaming media for the last year or so has bought absolutely none of Sony's hype, and has focused only on the downsides of the PS3-- and if there aren't enough negative things to report about the PS3, they just make some up. The gaming press is gunning for the PS3 to fail just as hard as they once gunned for the PSP to succeed.

    Meanwhile the UMD has been an even bigger disaster for Sony's public relations. Sony is, this year, attempting to promote a media format which is absolutely vital for their future success, the Blu-Ray. Unfortunately they're doing this right on the heels of the unmitigated disaster that was the UMD format. Sony's doing everything right with the Blu-Ray that they did wrong with the UMD; they have actual studio support, the blu-rays will be playable on devices of a wide variety of types and from a wide variety of vendors, and there is clear differentiation with the format the Blu-Ray intends to replace. But the public is seeing all this happen right on the heels of seeing the laughingstock that was the short, sad life of the UMD. And since UMD is still clearly in their minds, the public is seeing Blu-Ray colored through the lens of the UMD venture-- and many of them are expecting Blu-Ray to meet the same messy fate. That's a problem. With something like Blu-Ray, a public perception of failure can become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

    I keep wondering how public perception of the Blu-Ray and PS3 would have been different had the PSP just never happened.

    1. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      How much do you get paid to astroturf for Nintendo? Just curious.

    2. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by mrchaotica · · Score: 4, Informative
      I keep wondering how public perception of the Blu-Ray and PS3 would have been different had the PSP just never happened.
      I think it would still be pretty bad, because even if there was no PSP or UMD, there was still Beta, MiniDisc, ATRAC3, MemoryStick, DRM, rootkits, etc.
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    3. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I keep wondering how public perception of the Blu-Ray and PS3 would have been different had the PSP just never happened.

      Hmmm, VirtualBoy?

    4. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      yup, that's why it's outselling the NDS

      April 2006 Hardware Sales

      Hardware
      360 - 295,381
      PSP - 162,438
      PS2 - 206,995
      NDS - 138,427
      GBA - 169,115
      XBX - 38,987
      GCN - 38,028

    5. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by lav-chan · · Score: 2, Interesting

      Could someone tell me why everybody hates Memory Sticks? I mean i'm genuinely curious, i don't really know much about flash memory other than the fact that my camera uses MS.

      Is it just the fact that CF and SM and all that jazz already did the job well enough? Or is there like some technical reason or something.

    6. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

      PSP - 162,438
      GBA - 169,115

      SONY WINS!

    7. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by despisethesun · · Score: 2, Insightful

      I'm not familiar with the technical specifics of different kinds of flash memory either, but I'm fairly sure it's because 99% of everything else on the market uses either CF or SD, so the Memory Stick reeks of a Sony cash grab. It doesn't really do anything special and Sony's the only company supporting it.

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    8. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by BigCheese · · Score: 2, Insightful

      People hate them because they cost more then a same sized CF/SD/MMC/XD and are the only thing built in to Sony hardware.

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    9. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Well, at the time the PSP launched, everybody hated memory sticks because they consistently cost twice as much as a Compact Flash card did for the same amount of memory.

      The prices have come down since then tho.

    10. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by xtracto · · Score: 1

      Just as a side comment, I love SD cards, of course, everyone can have his preference but, that is the reason I bought a Canon camera and why I love my RCA SD-mp3 player and my small HP "SD reader" (so tiny and compact).

      I believe people should standarize like that, I just buy SD compatible devices, likewise, I have some SD cards which I can use for whatever I feel, the biggest is a 2GB card, but the nice thing is that they are very small so I could carry 10 with me (of course I never do that, usually I only carry a 1GB SD on my RCA player and the 2GB in my camera if I use it).

      Sony's memory stick is the antithesis of that, well, you may be able to do something similar only *if* all your products are sony but Uh, what asshole buys a Sony PC? (of course, the Mavicas seem really nice, but I have a little sony boycott going on since the rootkit thing)

      Oh, and by the way, if someone is looking for earbuds for their Sony MDR-EX70LP Earbud Headphones and do not want to give a cent to sony (WTF a pair of earbuds replacement are something like $10) you can buy them from ebay (I bought mine from Hong Kong for only $3.00 including shipping =o).

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    11. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget Japan:

      http://www.the-magicbox.com/topten.htm
      http://www.the-magicbox.com/Chart-BestSell2005.sht ml

      May 1 - 7, 2006
      DS Lite: 161,010 (total 2006: 1,383,391)
      DS : 24,428 (total 2006: 842,947, 2005: 4,002,871, 2004: 1,095,930)
      PSP: 37,946 (total 2006: 720,552, 2005: 2,225,799)

      For a grand total (as of May 7th 2006)
      Nintendo DS + DS Lite: 7,325,139
      PSP: 2,946,351

      So the DS has outsold the PSP by 4 Million units, is currently selling over four times as many untis and has (in total) sold well more than double as many units ...

      Also ... Didn't the DS Lite launch in the US in April ... I wonder where it is on your chart?

    12. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Dr_LHA · · Score: 1

      DS Lite isn't out until June in the US.

    13. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by nuggetman · · Score: 1

      CF/SD/MMC/XD

      It's not just a storage format, it's an emoticon too!

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    14. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      The only thing Memory Stick accomplishes is that it makes all Sony gear useless because it won't interoperate with anything else.

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    15. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by modecx · · Score: 1

      Could someone tell me why everybody hates Memory Sticks?

      Well, for one it used to be that you could not find a memory stick reader on anything but a Sony computer, and no hardware (cameras, PDAs, whatever) aside from Sonys own could use Memory Stick, and as far as I'm aware, this is still the case today. Combine that with the fact that for a long time Sony was the only manufactuer of Memory Sticks, their prices were often at least 2 times greater than that of comparable CF brands, MB for MB.

      That said, I do believe that it's a superior format--it's very durable, the form factor is nice, and the later incarnations are about as fast as modern CF cards. Of course, Sony has a habit of making superior formats not going anywhere, what with the proprietary ugliness, more expensive prices, etc.

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    16. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      A cheap Lesar Jumpdrive Trio will read Memory Sticks and the Duo's with the adapter. Most of the large multicard readers have a MS slot too, as does my Gateway laptop.

    17. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Don't forget that a lot of people in the US are probably waiting for the DS Lite edition. Such as myself.

    18. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by modecx · · Score: 1

      Yeah, that's NOW... I won't argue with the fact that 'stick readers are both plentiful and cheap today--likewise with media for that matter. Back in '98-2000, when Sony was trying to establish Memory Sticks as a 'standard', that wasn't the case so much, though, and it really hurt them.

      Still, aside from a few laptops having built-in readers, I don't know of any non-Sony products that use Memory Sticks for actually producing images, video, sound, whatever... So if you're vested heavily in Sony cameras and camcorders, PDAs, compatible phones, etc., Memory Sticks make great sense, but I think the whole format is designed to lock users into the Sony universe--which is bad, 'cause the format itself is great.

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    19. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1
      I think it would still be pretty bad, because even if there was no PSP or UMD, there was still Beta, MiniDisc, ATRAC3, MemoryStick, DRM, rootkits, etc.
      Betamax didn't hurt the public perception of Sony except in the eyes of people who preferred VHS and laughed at the Beta people. The format was a good one, and it continued evolving after VHS dominated. It certainly deserves more credit than to be associated with blunders like ATRAC and rootkits. I'm still on the fence with MiniDisc. I like them, and I know people who swear by them even in the era of cheap Korean fabbed MP3 players; but c'mon!
    20. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

      PSP has more shelf space in most game shops here in Ireland than any other handhelds. There's a brisk trade in second-hand PSPs and games (though I'm not sure if that just means different people are using PSP for a while, and then giving up and passing it on). There's even plenty of UMDs for sale/rental from game shops and video rental shops.

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    21. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > Could someone tell me why everybody hates Memory Sticks?

      I don't know for others, but for me, it is because, when they annonced Memory Sticks, they also talked about MagicGate http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MagicGate.

      I have friends with 100's of MD, that can't really get theyr songs back from SONY's hell.

      Futhermore, they were the sole producer of the sticks. Rarely a good thing.

      I had problems with SONY, I have friends that had problems with SONY. I have now decided to do the simple thing: no SONY for me, and I tell this to everyone I know.

      The world will be a slightly better place when they'll be dead. Each time someone is burnt by SONY, tell him. I laugh at people that have to buy expensive MemorySticks. I laugh at people that have two dozen of UMD disks and a PSP they that can't play latest games because they want to plat emulated games on it. I laugh at my friends with 100's of MD and a useless NetMD device.

      I will laugh at people with BluRay devices that will pay their move 3x the price, and will probably not be able to connect them to their television.

      (Note that I will also lagh at Bozo The Clown)

    22. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Actually the UMD is a disaster for obvious reasons and that will be the reason why hd dvd and blue ray will fail as well. You cannot copy, DRM not even media writers.
      The content industry had it their way with UMD and the format failed because it basically did what the content providers wanted not the consumers.
      See the format succeed as DVD inheritor which will be the first one ultimately hacked.

    23. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by The_Real_Quaid · · Score: 1

      With something like Blu-Ray, a public perception of failure can become a self-fulfilling prophesy.

      That's kinda the point. BluRay deserves to fail, and Sony overall deserves to fail.

      Their most famous product, the Walkman, was stolen. They don't deserve the success they had with it. Sony lies, cheats, steals, and their legions of media whores hype them to no end. Sony overcharges for crappy non-durable products. Sony puts ROOTKITS on people's computers. Sony creates useless media such as UMD and suckers people into buying them.

      Normally I would say that people stupid enough to buy Sony are getting the trash that they deserve, but with such media influence, some people really can't help but to trust them.

      Yes, the media is "mad" at Sony for making asses of them over the PSP. But the sad reality is that Sony has been making asses of the general public for decades. The media was happy to play along until they got burned. BluRay sucks. Stick with DVD, or get HD-DVD if you insist on wasting money on evolutionary optical formats. Don't ever buy anything made from Sony, ever. Vote with your wallet.

    24. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      2002 called. They want their joke back.

    25. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by cgenman · · Score: 1

      Basically, the Memory Stick does nothing better than any of the competing formats, yet came out after all of the rest of them.

      Compact flash stores a fat lot more than Memory Sticks. And unlike MS, CF has the controller chip onboard, which means that CF devices from 1998 built for 16 MB of memory can happily co-exist with a modern 4 GB card. Yet a Memory Stick device will never be able to accept anything bigger than what it was designed for. CF, by comparison, has been forwards and backwards compatible since the beginning (with the exception of CFII for IBM's microdrives). CF looks like a standard ATA hard drive to the host OS, so it is highly compatible. And yes, it will run Linux.

      The SD card was smaller, and the Micro SD is still smaller than the smallest memory stick. SD has similar upgrade path problems that Memory Sticks have, so you can assume when you buy an SD device you're getting memory for that specific device and maybe your next one or two. However, as SD is supported by a much wider range of manufacturers, from Kodak to Olympus, you aren't locking yourself into a Sony world when you buy one. And they're slightly cheaper.

      There are also a discouraging prolifiration of "standards" in memory stick.

      http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Memory_Stick

      There are Normal, Pro, Duo, ProDuo, and Micro versions. There are high speed and low speed versions of the above. And magic gate and non-magic gate versions. The standard has been altered basically every year since inception.

      As another poster pointed out, Memory Stick solved no problems and had no real reason to be made. It just smells like a cash-in. And Sony puts it in basically all of their products, either ham stringing otherwise good hardware or forcing an unwanted standard on people.

      Real photographers shoot in CF. The most convienient standard for point-and-shoot people is Mini/Micro-SD. Some other standards had or have reasons to exist, but Memory Stick is just not one of them.

    26. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Hadlock · · Score: 1

      Because everything else in the universe uses SD (Except high end digital SLRs and a few consumer cameras). If your device uses XD or mini SD, there are adapters to use the chips in a regular SD reader. SD is cheap, Memory Sticks are not. Many computers (my girlfriend's laptop, for example) have SD readers built in, which makes them like a super high density floppy disk, and simplifies your life because there's One Standard. Memory sticks make you have to go out, buy a seperate reader, you can't always buy Memory Sticks when you're on vacation and need another one; SD cards are almost as avalible as AA batteries.
       
      Personally I still use CF for the most part (and it's about 50% cheaper), but while I was biased towards only buying CF in the past, I'd seriously consider a device with SD now that the market has matured and is basically the standard in consumer devices.

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    27. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by mrchaotica · · Score: 1

      Some of the formats were better than others, yes, but that doesn't change the fact that they were all proprietary Sony formats that failed because they were proprietary.

      Betamax hurt the public perception of Sony not by making people mad like the rootkit did, but by making them wary of being burned by investing in a proprietary format again.

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    28. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      I'm forced to disagree entirely with you. PSP success is the whole reason Sony went the route they did with PS3. You Nintendo fanboys can scream up and down PSP was a disaster, but it's taken the largest part of the market from Nintendo than any other handheld. It's the console we portable gamers begged for when Nintendo released the incremental upgrades of the Gameboy line. PSP is to me and many others, the best handheld ever. I use it even more than my consoles.

    29. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Chandler55 · · Score: 0

      I'm amazed how much negativity there is surrounding the PS3. It has done everything I hoped it to be except the price. It has a standard HDD, something people knocked it for forever in 2005 and that the 360 would have it standard (funny how they switched there). The interesting tilt+movement controller that noone seems to care about but I thought it was neat, except everyone has to bash it for being copied from Nintendo to which we don't have proof of. And then the linux+homebrew idea that they have sort of touched on sounds potentially cool, where John Carmack himself said if Sony does it right the PS3 can be an Amiga type PC, which is a computer people loved and still has a fanbase to this day. I have hope for it, there are so many things in life that were criticized and bashed hard before release, Sim City, The Sims, Star Wars, etc... it'll be interesting to see.

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    30. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by ClamIAm · · Score: 1

      OK, so how many average consumers actually know about all that stuff and have a negative opinion towards them? My guess is that some of them might remember Betamax, but that it's a small percentage of people who have heard of CDs (which was developed by Sony).

    31. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by petermgreen · · Score: 1

      1: there are (or at least were) a number of memory stick variants. Theres the magicgate (drm supporting) variant needed for thier md walkman, another variant for the 2nd gen aibo (to stop you copying the accessory programs they sell) then theres pro and duo.

      2: memory sticks have always been more expensive than other types of memory.

      3: memory sticks are largely sony specific (you see multiformat readers that support them but not much else from other brands). It can make life a lot easier if all your kit uses the same format and if you choose memory stick as that format then you've basically locked yourself into sony.

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    32. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      hard to believe you got modded up for this post.

      despite what you may personally hold and believe, the psp has been a tremendous seller for sony. the sales have been stellar. the sales are behind the nintendo DS thats for sure, but that doesnt necessarily mean that sales have been poor. as it stands, the psp is sony's fastest selling console ever. the psp has been selling very well; just not as well as the nintendo ds. take a look at the NPD numbers and stop trolling and spreading FUD. the psp has been outselling the GBA week to week. the only console that has been getting outseld by the gba is the xbox360, thats mainly due to supply problems.

      umd movies on the other hand have not sold very well at all. ive bought a few for trips. to that end, they are great. the problem with UMD movies is that the releases are just as expensive as retail dvds and in many cases more expensive. the second problem is that the releases are generally crap. i dont want to buy a movie ive seen 20 times and probably own on dvd already. i want to see a movie thats actually worth the two hours of my life that i wasted watching it, that and worth the money i wasted on it too. look at some of the releases... who wants to buy a copy of 'cannibal: the musical', '20 Years Too Soon: Superstar Billy Graham', 'Artie Lange: It's the Whiskey Talkin' et al? alot of the better selling titles are some of the better selling movies overall.

    33. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      if you really hate sony so much, why post AC?

      there are alot of consumers that get burnt with products. you are not the only one. [assuming youve really been burnt] i can think of alot more companies worth boycotting than a company that upset you because you cant use your memory stick everywhere. what about companies founded with the fortunes stolen from oppressed jews? companies using conflict diamonds, companies that still do animal testing, companies that destroy millions of acres of rainforest, or companies made out of profits from the slave trade? if the best reason you have for leading a boycott against sony is "i cant get the songs off of my MD, even though i /should/ still own the original cds and could make another rip...", someone has their priorities wrong.

      who do you know that went out and bought 24 UMDs that they cant play because they want to play emulated games on their psp? even as a lie, thats quite laughable. who bought that much software that they KNEW they wouldnt be able to use? first of all, the psp was designed to play games and the occassional movie off of UMD. if they bought a psp to play emulated games off of it, thats their choice. i dont hear xbmc users complain that they cant play their modded consoles on xbox live. as a consumer you make a conscious decision re: how you wish to use the product. its an added undocumented bonus to be able to play emulated games on the psp. it was NOT a guarantee that sony gave you.

      whether you agree or disagree, its quite easy to see from a business standpoint why sony keeps updating the firmware. its the bootloaders. why let users sit back and pirate all the games they want, under the guise of 'well, i only want to play emulated games'? lets not kid ourselves, half of the users that argue the emulator/ homebrew point, wish to continue to pirate games. whether i agree with it or not, if i were in sonys shoes i would probably do the same. if you like the product, use it the way it was intended. if you like the bonus feature of the product, use it the way you get the most enjoyment out of it. sony doesnt /force/ you to update your firmware; they tempt you with new software and added features. you have the choice to play by the rules, or make your own. its your choice; dont complain.

      and finally the part of your post that really gives away your FUD spewing agenda: where have you seen prices listed for blu-ray titles? 3x normal prices? and what madness are you speaking about people not able to connect their blu-ray players to their tv? wires and adapters are available that can connect you toaster to your tv if you wish. you have several years before you even have to worry your head about blu-ray and HDCP issues.

    34. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by chrisbtoo · · Score: 1

      Sony's memory stick is the antithesis of that, well, you may be able to do something similar only *if* all your products are sony but Uh, what asshole buys a Sony PC?

      That would be me. And you know what? The fucker doesn't read memory sticks properly. It started out losing the port but would find it after a reboot, and then just refused to see them all the time after a while.

      I've since bought an "Advent" PC (UK PCWorld cheapo) which reads them fine, and also found the other day that my Dell laptop reads them no trouble either.

      I have no idea what Sony thought they were doing by making a laptop with a Memory Stick slot which was so flakey in reading them, but that coupled with some of their more recent fiascos has me avoiding their stuff like the plague now.

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    35. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > if you really hate sony so much, why post AC?

      Because I read and post to /. since before the UIDs were implemented. I registered a couple of accounts earlier, but can't be bothered to remember the password. Who cares ? I don't.

      > [assuming youve really been burnt]

      Well, I have been burnt by SONY multiple times. I used to respect them, I used to dream about their Walkmans. Then I bought several SONY consmer electronic stuff (in mid 90's), and they were not up to the task. Not a very big problem. Then, around 2000, on this very slashdot, I read about SONY CEO, explaining how they were going to stop "piracy". Somthing along the lines of:

      "We'll stop it at the server, We'll stop it at your ISP, We'll even stop it in your own computer if we need to". Enlightening. Decided to never ever buy a product from SONY again, like everybody else should have done. The rootkit debacle was very unsurprising.

      > if the best reason you have for leading a boycott against sony is "i cant get the songs off of my MD, even though i /should/ still own the original cds and could make another rip...", someone has their priorities wrong.

      My money, my choice. And, for the record, I tend to avoid buying from companies that use Child Labor (not a very easy thing to do, because they don't openly talk about it)

      > who do you know that went out and bought 24 UMDs that they cant play because they want to play emulated games on their psp?

      This is not what I am saying. He can play its UMDs. But he can't buy the latest games because he doesn't want his console to be flashed. Laughable.

      > whether you agree or disagree, its quite easy to see from a business standpoint why sony keeps updating the firmware. its the bootloaders. why let users sit back and pirate all the games they want, under the guise of 'well, i only want to play emulated games'?

      I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, I don't care. Each of my kids have a NDS, I have a SuperCard SD [because I find that coding for the GBA mode to be extremely fun], and, yes, the SD have ~50 copied games. Does it prevent me to buy games ? No. I wouldn't have bought FFTA I my son didn't play it on the SD. Same for Bomberman and a couple of others. How many DS/GBA original titles do I have ? 19.

      > if i were in sonys shoes i would probably do the same

      If I were in sony shoes I would have done an open console and solid state cartridges. This way, off-the-shelf console would have no way to play copied games, but people in homebrew (or "pirates") would have been able to use it. So called pirates have killed the atari 520ST, but also made microsoft rich. They are the trendsetters.

      Oh, and I would have made the PSP titles cheaper. And the console would have been bit-to-bit compatible with PS1. Having such a huge library of titles and not using it, what a profound mistake.

      > where have you seen prices listed for blu-ray titles? 3x normal prices?

      Okay, I made the numbers :-). Just checked on Amazon: BluRay are 2x the DVD prices (Terminator: 9.99 vs 20.29). May be wrong, as I took the first Bluray I found.

      And about the HDCP issue, I am sorry, but I won't trust SONY on this one. So, I will stand in line to be the first laughing. Because I witnessed the MD debacle , and I trust sony only to fuck their customers on BluRay too.

    36. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by apoc06 · · Score: 1

      Because I read and post to /. since before the UIDs were implemented. I registered a couple of accounts earlier, but can't be bothered to remember the password. Who cares ? I don't.

      i care. posting as an AC allows you the freedom to be ignorant, biased, astroturf, troll, etc... if youve been around that long, im sure you can understand why i would say such.

      Well, I have been burnt by SONY multiple times. I used to respect them, I used to dream about their Walkmans. Then I bought several SONY consmer electronic stuff (in mid 90's), and they were not up to the task. Not a very big problem. Then, around 2000, on this very slashdot, I read about SONY CEO, explaining how they were going to stop "piracy"...

      sorry to hear about your faulty devices. i have never really had any problems with any of my consumer electronics [with the exception of my xbox] everyone has different experiences. given that the sony brand is still well trusted, rootkit not withstanding they must not have burnt too many of their consumers.

      as for the commentary, ive heard worse stuff originate from the microsoft boardroom. any big corporation or govt entity has evil backroom practices. not to be apologetic, but at least they let you know their stance up front. we all know that they are empty threats. just as you say about child labor, it would be easier to pick and choose which companies

      I understand what you are saying. Unfortunately, I don't care. Each of my kids have a NDS, I have a SuperCard SD [because I find that coding for the GBA mode to be extremely fun], and, yes, the SD have ~50 copied games. Does it prevent me to buy games ? No. I wouldn't have bought FFTA I my son didn't play it on the SD. Same for Bomberman and a couple of others. How many DS/GBA original titles do I have ? 19.

      i agree with you here believe it or not. piracy actually seems to help the game industry. the ps1, p2, and psp are probably the easiest consoles to mod for backups in the history of consoles. look at how those consoles took off. piracy has not caused either of them to stumble one bit. even the psp is a success in sonys's eyes. [they are turning a hefty profit afterall]. but i cant imagine anyone in a stockholders meeting saying "yeah, lets let users play downloaded iso's on our console instead of charging them for it."

      Oh, and I would have made the PSP titles cheaper. And the console would have been bit-to-bit compatible with PS1. Having such a huge library of titles and not using it, what a profound mistake.

      again, i agree with you partially. i would go with disc based games, but i would have installed some form of cache memory to alleviate disc access times. the psp is compatible with ps1 titles, but im golad they made the hardware more sophisticated. one of the reasons the psp is selling in light of the DS, is people want to play games on the go that seem current too; not only games from two- three console generations ago.

      the funny thing is if you check amazon. the blu-ray titles are selling for $20, and the hd-dvd titles are selling for $25. the list prices are $29 and $35 respectively. the list price for the regular dvd is $19. so i can see the transition to blu-ray being slightly more subtle.
      dvd: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/0800195175/ref=im dbpov_dvd_0/103-1465401-5529460?_encoding=UTF8&v=g lance&n=130 blu-ray: http://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B000EZ7ZY0/qid=11 48360460/sr=8-2/ref=pd_bbs_2/103-1465401-5529460?_ encoding=UTF8&v=glance&n=130 hd-dvd prices:

    37. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      > i care. posting as an AC allows you the freedom to be ignorant, biased, astroturf, troll, etc... if youve been around that long, im sure you can understand why i would say such.

      You don't have to beleive me, but, yes, I am around that long...

      Logged posting don't prevent ignorance, astroturf and trolling. And, as a regular reader and poster of the defunct ~trolltalk, I can tell you: uid helps troling. Signal 11 proved it: uids and karma favored trolling and whoring.

      I like AC. And I love /. for the existence of the freedom of AC posting.

      And about SONY, let's just agree to disagree.

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    38. Re:PSP in general was just a huge mistake by Finkbug · · Score: 1

      "Sony's doing everything right with the Blu-Ray that they did wrong with the UMD"

      They're certainly doing better but pushing MPEG-2 on Blu-Ray because they get royalties for 2 but not MPEG-4 isn't thrilling. (I think this is the financial situation. Flame away if I'm wrong. :) ) We'll have to wait for side-by-sides under controlled test conditions to see if their MPEG-2 claims are accurate. Always possible but I'm not hopeful.

      My hope is the one best suited for general storage and computer tasks wins. Unlike the person in the thread who believes there hasn't been a *single movie worth watching in the last two years* (largely, it seems, because video game films aren't done properly), I rent many films...but I almost never buy. Don't feel the need to watch them again until years have passed. Books I buy. No finding reader hardware for old books. No DRM. mmmm books

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  12. Eh, I don't think so by Aladrin · · Score: 5, Insightful
    Although 40% of PSP owners claimed UMD media was a big reason why they plopped down a few hundred on Sony's pixel-spurting game brick

    I think if you check with those people again, the REAL reason those 40% bought a PSP was PORTABLE media, not UMD specifically. DVD's are a bit unwieldy to carry and you certainly can't get a dvd player that small. It's about the convenience of a media device that size, not the format.

    If there were an open media format with a multitude of player in that size, I think you'd find a LOT more takers.

    Add in the ability to write that media at will and you've got a hit on your hands. (After the teething phase, of course.)

    As a side note, DVD format suffered from other teething problems like 'low volume' and such. The real 'feature' was an amazing audio range, but that translated into 'too low/too high' audio when played back in any normal setting.

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    1. Re:Eh, I don't think so by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 5, Insightful

      If there were an open media format with a multitude of player in that size, I think you'd find a LOT more takers.

      Hate me for pointing out a MS product, but a PDA running PocketPC with a worldwide standard flash memory card (many flavours to choose from, SD, CF, etc) will play many different media formats and will play games. Heck, the latest devices have DirectX acceleration on them.

    2. Re:Eh, I don't think so by wfberg · · Score: 3, Insightful

      Although 40% of PSP owners claimed UMD media was a big reason why they plopped down a few hundred on Sony's pixel-spurting game brick

      I think if you check with those people again, the REAL reason those 40% bought a PSP was PORTABLE media, not UMD specifically.


      This is one of those results you get from interpreting polls. They probably asked people something like "did the ability to play movies on your PSP have a positive influence on your decision to buy one", or something like that with checkboxes. 40% of people said, sure, it seemed a pretty nice idea to also have that option. This then is translated to "40% claims it was a big reason". But 40% of PSP owners weren't looking for a media player. They were looking for a tiny assed playstation 1, which would get a zillion games (basically the PS 1 catalog) ported to it. If it plays movies, all the better. Sadly neither of these two scenarios really played out.

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    3. Re:Eh, I don't think so by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      Some even have a 640 by 480 screen. No more trans-coding!

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    4. Re:Eh, I don't think so by MobileTatsu-NJG · · Score: 1

      "If there were an open media format with a multitude of player in that size, I think you'd find a LOT more takers."

      Fair enough. Sadly, Sony doesn't play that game. For me, the UMD would have been a home run if Sony had either put a TV-out on the PSP or made a DVD player that also had a UMD slot. In addition to that, they had enough space to put the PSP formatted version of the movie in addition to a broadcast sized version of it. If they had done those two things, I would have considered purchasing UMDs instead of DVDs. Bear in mind, though, I always saw them for $15, not $30. (That was at Walmart, if anybody's curious.) The lack of bonus features would have sucked, but in some cases I would have traded them for a portable version.

      I like portable movies, but not enough to go buying them every month unless they can do the job DVDs do.

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    5. Re:Eh, I don't think so by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      There are 80mm mini-DVDs commonly available. Capacity is 1.4GB for single layer, 2.8GB for dual layer. UMD is a bit smaller - 65mm - but has a capacity of only 1.8GB dual layer. Considering there are plenty of commondity portable players for full sized DVD, price and power aren't an issue.

    6. Re:Eh, I don't think so by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      It's about the convenience of a media device that size, not the format.

      Side note, how many movies can you cram in an iPod's HD compared to the same pocket volume in UMDs + PSP?

      To us it's about convenience.
      To Sony it's about copy control.

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    7. Re:Eh, I don't think so by CronoCloud · · Score: 1

      Yes, the ipod holds more, but the battery doesn't last as long for video. What's the point of putting 30 gigs of video on it if the battery dies after a gig or so.

    8. Re:Eh, I don't think so by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1
      If there were an open media format with a multitude of player in that size, I think you'd find a LOT more takers.
      There are portable media players out there than can handle multiple formats (WMV + a couple of MPEG formats). Archos makes a few devices including some that act as a portable DVR. Unfortunately, these devices are pricey - more expensive than the PSP without all its addons certainly. I'd stake my money on Apple evolving a full fledged video player out of the iPod. Until then, I will wait until there's a video player for my beloved DS that doesn't make the device even more of a brick.
    9. Re:Eh, I don't think so by risutora · · Score: 1

      Actually the PS1-catalogue is coming with the official emulator.

    10. Re:Eh, I don't think so by tepples · · Score: 1

      a PDA running PocketPC with a worldwide standard flash memory card (many flavours to choose from, SD, CF, etc) will play many different media formats and will play games.

      The problem here is that it's hard to buy a PDA that isn't also a smartphone nowadays, and smartphones are all too often locked by network operators into running only apps published by an established company, not Free apps.

    11. Re:Eh, I don't think so by kamapuaa · · Score: 1
      You can buy a non-cell phone PDA off Dell.com, amazon.com, or any major electonic store. Buying an unlocked cell-phone isn't all that expensive or difficult, just most people prefer locked phones because of the discount incentives.

      And I must add that using PDA as an iPod-type device is pretty awesome. It's not for everyone but I personally really dig it.

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    12. Re:Eh, I don't think so by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      The full catalog, or just a small subset of it?

      Will the emulator work like ePSXe, or more like the 360's XBX implimentation (specific emulation software for each game)

    13. Re:Eh, I don't think so by strikethree · · Score: 1

      I think if you check with those people again, the REAL reason those 40% bought a PSP was PORTABLE media, not UMD specifically.

      i bought one to play old nintendo (NES and SNES) games. i made the mistake of buying GTA: Liberty City Stories and lost the ability to play my old nintendo games. now, i don't touch that piece of shit at all anymore.

      i never wanted to watch movies and such on it.

      strike

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    14. Re:Eh, I don't think so by iainl · · Score: 1

      Neither, hopefully. The PS1 game I'm most looking forward to is WipEout 3: Special Edition, which under ePSXe (at least when I tried it) hangs at the first turn of the first track, because there is a clever live video screen effect. A real PS1 shows it just fine, but ePSXe gets caught in an infinite loop rendering the screen looking at itself.

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    15. Re:Eh, I don't think so by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      The problem here is that it's hard to buy a PDA that isn't also a smartphone nowadays, and smartphones are all too often locked by network operators into running only apps published by an established company

      That's the network operators fault, not the device. This seems common in the USA and with one or two networks in the UK, but from what I understand we are they only ones that get reamed this way.

      My smartphone is fully open. You can even run Linux on it if you have nothing better to do with your time.

    16. Re:Eh, I don't think so by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I didn't mean exactly like the emulator. ;) I meant one program that plays all roms.

      Because I really don't have any trouble envisioning sony trying to sell my games to me again for this, which defeats the purpose.

    17. Re:Eh, I don't think so by iainl · · Score: 1

      Cynicism wins again. As far as I can tell, the idea is to sell you the games all over again, rather than allow you to make your own disc images. The exact workings of the emulation we don't know yet, but this is basically a direct attempt to match Nintendo's Virtual Console on the Wii.

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    18. Re:Eh, I don't think so by DrYak · · Score: 1
      Hate me for pointing out a MS product

      Yes, I hate you!

      I would point to PalmOS powered PDA, which can also run The Core Portable Media Player. (Also, among the palm powered devices, lets mention the now defunct Zodiac from Tapwave, which also doubled as a portable gaming device)

      There are also Linux powered PDAs such as the Zaurus, and those can run VLC.
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  13. UMD Movies? Yeah. by HaloZero · · Score: 3, Insightful

    The games aren't too bad. It's an effective way to deliver content, save for the loading times, maybe. I was surprised to find that spinning the disk didn't really eat that much in terms of battery life (note to self: recharge devices before road trip).

    Atleast Sony added a flash-memory option to the PSP. I can rip and rerip to my hearts content. Even more... uh... well... stuff that you can't find on a UMD in the states.

    If you're on a train, or a bus, or in the back seat of a car, the PSP is an awesome little gadget for a few hours of entertainment. Battlestar looks nice on it.

    Sony did royally flub up though, with the whole UMD thing. If they really wanted it to take off, DVD->UMD USB converter + writable UMD discs would be a godsend.

    Never gonna happen, though.

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    1. Re:UMD Movies? Yeah. by metamatic · · Score: 3, Funny
      I can rip and rerip to my hearts content. Even more... uh... well... stuff that you can't find on a UMD in the states.

      It's Slashdot, you're allowed to say Hentai.

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    2. Re:UMD Movies? Yeah. by cthellis · · Score: 1

      I was surprised to find that spinning the disk didn't really eat that much in terms of battery life (note to self: recharge devices before road trip).

      I wasn't. Say what you will about MD players, but they seem to have FANTASTIC-as-to-be-unbelievable levels of power-control. I'd seriously have to change a single AA battery once a month or so. (And this was with the minimum of 1.5 hours of play every workday while in traffic.)

    3. Re:UMD Movies? Yeah. by blueskatz · · Score: 1

      If I knew I could convert my DVD's to UMD format, I would have bought a PSP on release day. That would have been sweet.

      But here it is, more than a year after its release, and I own just about every major console and handheld, except a PSP. And I can't really see a purchase anywhere in the future. Maybe some day when they drop below the $99 mark I'll pick one up so I can play Katamari and Loco Roco.

  14. Biggest problem by DesireCampbell · · Score: 5, Insightful

    The biggest problem with UMD was the idea that consumers would buy movies on UMD. Which wouldn't have been too outlandish, if the UMD movies cost less than DVD versions.

    Why would anyone pay 30 bucks for a movie that you con only play on that little screen?

    UMD as a game-format isn't a bad idea - every portable game system has it's own format.

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    1. Re:Biggest problem by tepples · · Score: 1

      UMD as a game-format isn't a bad idea - every portable game system has it's own format.

      Except for those few PDAs that haven't already become smartphones. On a PDA, you can stick a game on CF or SD and run it.

  15. BluRay/HDDVD by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    If there were an open media format with a multitude of player in that size, I think you'd find a LOT more takers.

    Add in the ability to write that media at will and you've got a hit on your hands. (After the teething phase, of course.)


    What would make SENSE for a handheld media machine would be to use "mini-cd" sized Blu-Rays or HD-DVDs. A small-sized Blu-Ray or HD-DVD could easily handle a movie-length video file, so long as you used non-HD content (which isn't a problem since a PSP-like screen can only display 480p anyway).

    Piggybacking on a "real" format like Blu-Ray or HD-DVD would obviate most of the problems the UMD had. Studios could make discs without having to go through Sony, players and burners would be readily available. Whereas UMDs could be played on the PSP, and only the PSP. Want to watch a UMD on a television? Too bad.

    1. Re:BluRay/HDDVD by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Way to expensive to go with either of the nascent blue laser formats. Using bog standards 80mm DVDs would have given them a cheap to implement, widely available format that would *still* hold a gig more than UMD does.

  16. however by minus_273 · · Score: 3, Funny

    everyone loves katamari!

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  17. Killier App of Movies/Video and the PSP by Araxen · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Being able to store movies/video on the PSP and not having to lug around those UMD discs everywhere is the killer app of movies on the PSP. The last thing I want to do when lugging around the PSP is having to lug around a million UMD's discs.

    1. Re:Killier App of Movies/Video and the PSP by Tweekster · · Score: 1

      Why would you "lug" that many around. why not just take the 1 disc you MIGHT actually watch.

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  18. Two UMDs? by Supurcell · · Score: 4, Funny

    So that's where all those Double U.M.D.s went.

    (If you don't get it, say it out loud a few times.)

  19. LOTS of people bought DVD before DVDR by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I don't think you're typical. Consumer-priced DVD writing came a lot later than DVD did.

  20. Don't blame UMD by Opportunist · · Score: 4, Insightful

    When there's no content worth getting, it doesn't matter if it's on UMD, DVD or HDDVD.

    Crap stays crap. No matter how high the resolution.

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    1. Re:Don't blame UMD by gEvil+(beta) · · Score: 1

      Crap stays crap. No matter how high the resolution.

      Yeah, but if the resolution is high enough, you can sometimes see the steam coming off it...

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    2. Re:Don't blame UMD by Opportunist · · Score: 1

      As long as I don't have to smell it...

      Quite seriously. You can see it in every entertainment medium. Games came first. Rez rised, polycount rised, gameplay plummeted. Movies are following now. To be honest, an old black-and-white Hitchcock can be by far more entertaining and thrilling than a current action movie, loaded with explosions and stunts.

      So far, I've been hard pressed to find a single movie within the last 10 years that didn't have a plot SO threadbare that you could see through it in minutes. The last movie where the end really surprised me was the 6th sense, mostly 'cause Bruce Willis really made it credible that he IS actually interacting with the people.

      Currently we're suffering from REALLY bad scripts and even worse acting. The Da Vinci code is a prime example. I love Tom Hanks for most of his movies. I consider him a good actor. But I haven't seen him act THIS badly since Mazes and Monsters. Not to mention that I don't think he was the right person for the role.

      Anyway, without getting too far off topic. That movie is a prime example how a really badly butchered script (and the wrong actors) can pretty much ruin a plot. Sure, about every plot idea has been milked dry by now. Certainly. It's hard to come up with a new idea. But is it really impossible to come up with something original? It doesn't have to be something completely new, but is it really becoming impossible to write a script that has more kinks and is more twisted than the actors?

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  21. Memory stick killed UMD for me... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 4, Insightful

    Why would I buy a UMD movie when I can rip it to my 1 GB memory stick and watch it from there? I can't really tell the difference between Spider-Man II on UMD and ripped from DVD to memory stick anyway. Of my friends that have a PSP they've done the same: bought a larger memory stick and used one of the half dozen tools out there to convert their DVDs. In the end it's actually more convenient than UMD even if I wanted to watch a UMD movie because I can put whatever video content I wish on the stick.

    Blockbuster had UMD movies on sale not too long ago, but I just walked on by. I had them on all DVD anyway.

    1. Re:Memory stick killed UMD for me... by glesga_kiss · · Score: 1
      Don't you just love that the illicit product is actually technical superiour? Back in the day, "pirate" used to mean poor video, poor sound, people walking in front of the camera and the first five minutes missing. Oh, and the photocopied case carries the tag lines from other movies, or such classics such as "no redeaming qualities whatsoever!".

      Whereas now, it means better!! You can do what you want with it. Play it on your TV, xbox, PSP, DVD, whatever you feel to encode it to. Archive it to disk in case the original is damaged. Lend it to a friend without giving them your iTunes password!

      Do they honestly expect to win this consumer war with these tactics?

  22. Re:Tags: firezonk plonkzonk by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Funny

    firezonk plonkzonk

    Offtopic or not, it's still true.

  23. And I need you now tonight! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I fucking need you more than ever!

  24. Das pr0n? by exley · · Score: 0

    I bring this up for legitimate reasons. Well, mostly. I have seen that porn is available on UMD, but how widespread (no pun intended) is it? Although I consider UMD to have been a pretty stupid idea to begin with, for those who have a stake in it, it seems like this could have benn one way to save the format. It may be too late at this point, though. And I really don't see Sony officially embracing this, either. I hear one of the big reasons Betamax died was because they wouldn't allow porn on it. I'm not sure if that's true or not, and I don't have the time to go look it up because I'm going to go download some porn right now.

    1. Re:Das pr0n? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay for humanity you're busy downloading porn and yet have taken the time to write a reply to /. Ugh..

      Anyway the reason Betamax failed was because VHS allowed people to record TV shows for later playback on reasonably affordable recorders. Sony didn't get it back then. That's all folks.

    2. Re:Das pr0n? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Yay for humanity you're busy downloading porn and yet have taken the time to write a reply to /. Ugh..

      A guy needs some way to kill time while he's waiting out that pesky male refractory period.

    3. Re:Das pr0n? by cyber-vandal · · Score: 3, Funny

      What a good idea, being able to sit on a bus and jack off to your favourite pornstar. The other passengers would love that.

    4. Re:Das pr0n? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1

      You're actually correct that one of the big reasons Betamax died was because it wasn't adopted by the adult film industry. I don't remember if Sony actively blocked it though. VHS was cheaper and had a higher capacity, and Porn Valley is very cost-conscious.

      I just mentioned the industry in an earlier post. Many people underestimate the role that the adult film industry has had in make video technologies popular. Some of the earliest silent films were porn. The same can be said for "talkies" and later with the home video market, digital video, streaming media, VCD, and interactive video. The dirty little secret is that mainstream film/video industry has always watched Porn Valley for innovation. Adult film studios are substantially smaller, tend to have more cash on hand for investments in new distribution channels, and have *ahem* the balls to do it.

      I haven't seen any UMD adult titles, but I'm sure they exist. Most pornographers making content for distribution online have standardized on Windows Media Video and MPEG-2. MPEG-1 and Real Video is mostly legacy. There's very little MPEG-4 going on, and most of the time it's QuickTime. There's some DivX, but it's mostly used by third-party distributors. WMV is very popular, partly because it's on most systems, but also because it produces smaller files than MPEG-1 and MPEG-2, and the software for producing WMV content is free. The industry is very Windows-centric.

      There is no doubt in my mind that had UMD been adopted wholesale we would be seeing more mainstream distributors try to bring movies to the format. Porn was the major factor in putting VCRs into most American homes during the early 80s. Of course, UMD's problems go well beyond a lack of adoption. UMD is so intimately linked to the PSP that the PSP's own failures to revolutionize handheld gaming weakened UMD's own success.

    5. Re:Das pr0n? by Sathias · · Score: 1

      Or, for a bit of masturbatory irony, some downloaded Bang Bus clips.

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  25. Related news: 4GB Memory Stick Duo now available by MojoStan · · Score: 5, Informative
    I'm surprised TFA didn't mention UMD's competition from high-capacity memory cards for playing movies. Note that the max capacity of UMD is 1.8GB and the PSP has a flash memory card slot for Sony's Memory Stick Pro Duo format. Movies can be played from these memory cards and several easy-to-use utilities exist for ripping DVDs and encoding into MPEG-4 at the PSP's 480x272 resolution.

    Movies on memory cards don't have DVD-like menus like UMD movies do. However, I'm sure many users like the memory card's rewritability, PC compatibility, and ability to use existing DVDs to make PSP movies.

    4GB Memory Stick Duo cards were released this month and Dell sells it for $136 (most sellers price it around $200). 2GB Memory Stick Duos have fallen to around $80-$90.

    Also, the PSP displays photos and plays MP3 and AAC. UMD is not dead because they distribute their games on it. Remember, the PSP actually plays games, too.

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  26. yea by MeridianBlade · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    I assumed this!

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  27. Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Where DO you get your numbers?

    1. Re:Sales by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The other guy is linking April sales numbers for America. You are linking April sales numbers for Japan.

      America and Japan are different countries.

  28. Re:Related news: 4GB Memory Stick Duo now availabl by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    It has games, but are those games worth playing?

  29. (-8 Million, Ignorant) by tm2b · · Score: 5, Informative
    making song files incompatible with any portable player other than an iPod.
    What in the blue bloody hell is wrong with people that they keep claiming this?

    ONCE AGAIN: AAC is the standard for MPEG4 audio, every bit as open as MP3 (both encumbered by licensed IP, less open than Ogg Vorbis). It's Apple's "Fair Play" DRM, wrapped around the AAC format, that's exclusive to the Apple iPods and the Motorola ROKR (excusably, people also like to forget that beast). Note that Fair Play is not a factor when you rip the songs yourself.

    AAC is supported by tons of players, including (just from a quick Google) the Sony Network Walkman and the Viliv P1. Hell, there's a press release from 2000 when Toshiba first announced theirs.

    I'm sure there are tons more, AAC support is integrated in a number of the chipsets available now.

    Jackass.
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    1. Re:(-8 Million, Ignorant) by kamapuaa · · Score: 0

      Are you homeless? I have never heard such crazy raving from a person who didn't have a 40 of malt liquor in his hand. Maybe you should count to 10 and relax before posting angry responses to people who aren't familiar with the market penetration of the .aac file format. Crikey.

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    2. Re:(-8 Million, Ignorant) by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      "You must be new around here." Personally, I'd like to see more anger towards misinformation, not less.

    3. Re:(-8 Million, Ignorant) by generic-man · · Score: 1

      I never said that files you rip in iTunes were DRMed. I just said that iTunes defaults to ripping in AAC and that most players don't support it. (Funny how the Sony Network Walkman, which was savaged for its content protection in early reviews, keeps getting brought up as a shining example of openness in a discussion about how much everyone hates Sony's products.)

      There are millions of people who have large "MP3" collections that are actually in WMA or AAC format due to their willingness to accept the defaults in their music player of choice. Even if these files aren't encumbered with DRM they are no longer truly "MP3" files and can't play on many players that have chosen not to license WMA or AAC.

      I'm sorry you misunderstood my post. I was talking purely about incompatibility (MP3 is supported by everything; MP4 is supported by fewer players) and not about DRM encumbrance.

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  30. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Donut69 · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Does anyone really care if someone says goddamn? Why do you jesus freaks always get up in arms about it? Jesus christ it's not that big of a goddamn deal.

  31. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by remembertomorrow · · Score: 1

    Maybe you shouldn't leave your house if you're not willing to tolerate language that you don't deem 'acceptable'.

    'Goddamn' is perfectly acceptable to me as an intesifier, much more so than just 'damn'.

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  32. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Araxen · · Score: 1

    Yes

  33. Re:UMD writers and Reader by gutnor · · Score: 3, Insightful

    Yeah and also a reader.

    Even if I can purchase a new movie in UMD, what's the point since I can't watch it on anything else than the PSP.
    Note that I'm not asking specifically for an external player, but you cannot even plug the PSP on the TV !

    So, what does that leave me with ? I can by on UMD the movies I can only watch alone which are the one I generally rent ... and where can I rent them ?

    I takes years to create a new format. Years for the public to become aware of it, years for movies to come out on it, years before blockbuster stock them ... unfortunatly in a few year there will probably a PSP2 that will requires yet another format ( I guess UMD will be to small ) and this year is the year of HighDefinition which another format war and really UMD is no match.

  34. Even more generally... by Just+Some+Guy · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Was it really necessary to use gratuitous cussing on the front page? Hey, I did my time in the Navy: I promise you nothing I could see here is worse than what I heard on ship. But that seemed like a total non sequitur in this instance. Since neither a speaker nor a print source were being quoted, why put it there?

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  35. You shall not criticize the editors... by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 0, Offtopic

    ...unless you spell a shade better than them.
    s/vane/VAIN/

    I'm always taking the Lord's name in VANE.
    I'm constantly printing it on banners and attaching them to weathercocks.
    Sometimes I also take it in VEIN -- injecting it into my bloodstream or engraving into seams of gems in ore. SERIOUSLY!!!

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    1. Re:You shall not criticize the editors... by Doomstalk · · Score: 1

      Well Mr. Pedant, it seems you've been beaten at your own game. The correct phrase actually is "In the same vein". It means "along the same lines" not "similarly self-infatuated".

  36. Cut off store in picture by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I work in that area of Manhattan. It amazes me that people line up around 2 or 3 really long blocks to go in to a computer store! I have an iPod Shuffle, and I was tempted to walk past them all showing it to them so that they didn't have to wait on line to see what was under that glass box. It's cool, no doubt, but there's another store in SoHo and this one is sort-of ugly up close IRL. It looks a lot like a bunch of panes of glass stapled together. The logo looks really odd because it's suspended by a shiny steel pole from the "ceiling." I dunno. I've never seen it at night, but I hope they used some sort of LED light on the glass to make it change colors. Peace out.

  37. Treo 650 + FairUse Wizard = portable love by melcrose · · Score: 0

    Take a 650, d/l the 4gb hack and make a new ROM for the unit. Flash it. Peachy, now your 80.00 4gb SD card works like a champ. Add FairUse Wizard and a dvd, and 1.5 hours later you're watching whatever using TCMP on your treo in 320x320 with 128kb stereo, all at about 200mb. sweet.

  38. What's new?-Nothing here. by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "That's the same situation as is happening with recently released DVDs... coincidence? I think not."

    Um, excuse me. What's +5:insightful about saying you aren't going to buy any recent DVDs? Obviously you're not speaking for the DVD buying public at large. Nor do you appear to have any hard numbers indicating a downward trend in the purchasing of DVDs across the board. And even if there was, you still would have to prove there was a correllation between quality and purchasing, and not some other factor. e.g. less disposable income. I can however assume there's a correllation between getting a plus five insightful and speaking what the majority think without proof on this forum.

  39. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by leland242 · · Score: 1

    I'm an athiest, and I agree. And believe me, I curse like a sailor. It's out of place in a /. title about UMD's...

  40. Ditch UMD, add a hard drive... by Aphrika · · Score: 1

    I've always wondered why the PSP was never given a hard drive, especially considering the success of the iPod which ultimately proved a successful HDD consumer device is possible. Ripping out the UMD and putting a 60GB drive in makes quite a bit of sense. You could then offer PSP format films on each DVD disc and it wouldn't necessitate a new medium.

    Ok, so in reality the UMD is only there to stop piracy, but you could get a lot of UMD 1.8 GB films and games on a 60GB drive, then have some kind of iTunes-like system to choose what of your collection is on there. Heck, even being able to play PSP stuff on your PC might be possible, and it'd mean that Sony could offer games online via their store and authenticate them ACC-style. iPods have proved that people are happy to take a selection of stuff away on a device without being able to edit/change it away from their home computer.

    Instead, I have a device which has become a bit of a white elephant. Some of the games are good. I'd like to watch films on it, but can't be arsed to buy anything as they're a) too expensive and b) the titles are crap, but also because c) like Minidiscs they take up so much damn room! Consequently, my PSP normally gets left behind on a trip in favour of my iPod. Sony need to fix that in order to make the PSP really take off, especially for film watching.

    1. Re:Ditch UMD, add a hard drive... by DDLKermit007 · · Score: 0, Flamebait

      You don't have a clue about electronics do you? iPod life per charge is 8-12 hours. PSP life right now is a laughable 4-6 hours per charge if your lucky. Toss an HD in there and it'll be even more gamegear-like where it'll likely drop the PSP's life down to half that and make it even heavier (not to mention substantially hotter). Please...in the future do think before typing up such insaine ideas. Solid state memory is here to stay with such systems. Moveing parts require far too much energy.

    2. Re:Ditch UMD, add a hard drive... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      Adding a hard drive would double the cost and halve the battery life.

      Seriously. Think before you post.

    3. Re:Ditch UMD, add a hard drive... by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1
      Ok, so in reality the UMD is only there to stop piracy
      Verizon Wireless has this music pack for current gen cell phones that play music. It's Windows software so I can't use it, but it allows you to convert your music (and maybe video) into Windows Media Audio (and maybe Video), and then transfer that music to your phone. Of course, you will certainly need the miniSD memory chip for your phone and a USB reader in order to do the actual transfers, but I believe the kit probably has its own proprietary USB-to-phone connection. It's not as smooth as what iPod + iTunes offers, but it's a lot better than nothing. However, I would have preferred just dragging MP3s over to my phone using Bluetooth. The WMAs are DRM'd.

      Sony likely saw the potential messiness involved - both for the consumers and for the lawyers, and nixed the idea of just allowing people to load the PSP like a USB thumb drive on your computer. UMD offers some convenience. UMD discs are cheaper to manufacture than memory chips and cartridges (ever see those videos on GBA carts). With UMD, you don't need to know how to rip the videos yourself. I think what drove Sony's decision on UMD was first, Sony's desire to own their own format (something that is ingrained in Sony cullture) and second, the fear of consumers getting comfortable with ripping DVDs on their PCs.
      Instead, I have a device which has become a bit of a white elephant. Some of the games are good. I'd like to watch films on it, but can't be arsed to buy anything as they're a) too expensive and b) the titles are crap, but also because c) like Minidiscs they take up so much damn room! Consequently, my PSP normally gets left behind on a trip in favour of my iPod. Sony need to fix that in order to make the PSP really take off, especially for film watching.
      Ouch. That is exactly the bullet I wanted to dodge. I went Nintendo DS and iPod Shuffle, and am very happy. I can carry all my DS carts in a single game box. I'm heavily invested in GBA development tools anyway, so I use my linker to copy my GBA cartridges over to a single GBA flash cart, which means I carry very little when I want to game. DS still has its problems though. In you case, maybe you want to look at the PSP homebrew community and see what kinds of options you have avaible for really expanding your PSP. I use my DS to take notes for example using a very primitive text editor. And for the life of me, I can't understand why Nintendo hasn't put out a nice PIM app for the DS. :)
  41. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by mooingyak · · Score: 2, Insightful

    Maybe these points add up, and maybe they don't, but here:

    1. I'm not religious in any way, shape or form.
    2. I curse like a sailor.
    3. Other people cursing doesn't bother me.
    4. I felt that 'goddamn' was inappropriate in the article summary. Probably because it was unnecessary.
    5. (Not for you so much) It's VAIN. V-A-I-N.

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  42. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    That's 'atheist' you faker.

  43. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree. "Nigger" would've been a stronger word than "goddamn". These goddamn fucking Slashdot niggers aren't very good at cussing.

  44. I agree.. by donaldGuy · · Score: 3, Interesting

    I'm stupid.. I bought a PSP rather than an iPod because I thought it would work as a media player AND be able to play games... where's the downside? *fills up whole memory card*

    Well, only 512MB of space for one.. well they will release good movies on UMD then I can watch them on the move, I can't do that on an iPod *cue release of 5th Gen iPod*

    Yea but I'm sure they're will be good games for PSP....
    now I'm looking at not getting as good a loptop so I can enough cash left over to buy a new iPod.

  45. Re:first post by legallyillegal · · Score: 1

    you're slower than development on a duke nukem game

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  46. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 1, Insightful

    Honestly, yeah, it's fun to see you fucking idiots get worked up over something so stupid. Consider it payback for sticking the rest of us with that monkey idiot George W. Bush.

    Jesus isn't real, and you goddamn (oh noes!) idiots need to wake the fuck up, or at least stop voting. Your religion is just as wrong as everyone else's (although at least some of the eastern religions don't make people kill each other). You have no idea how stupid a church service looks to anyone with an ounce of reason. It's like a fucking rain dance.

    Yeah, I'm an asshole for saying this. But at least my worldview isn't based on an ancient, crackpot, self-contradictory book.

  47. Memory Stick PRO Duo by tepples · · Score: 1

    Just give the PSP a gig of flash memory

    Froogle helps.

    so you could rip a DVD

    Major markets where the PSP is sold all have a DMCA of some sort. Which major studio DVDs aren't CSS'd?

  48. Focus groups don't work. by vmardian · · Score: 1

    >> Although 40% of PSP owners claimed UMD media was a big reason why they plopped down a few hundred on Sony's pixel-spurting game brick, the complaint from actual owners is there just isn't anything worth goddamn buying on UMD."

    It's not because there "just isn't anything worth goddamn buying on UMD". It's a clear cut case of people not knowing what they want. Saying something and actually doing it are two entirely different things. This is why focus groups don't work.

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  49. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Your lord, not everyone's. You goddamn people would do well to remember that.

  50. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    "Maybe you shouldn't leave your house"

    I thought this was slashdot...

  51. A first! by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    A joke that actually became funny after the explanation.

  52. burn sony buuuuuuurn by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    umd = unusable media dogturd

    hahahahahaha sigh...

    seriously though sony suck and i hope they die a terrible terrible death, and we all get to buy their ps3 stock at 10 bucks a go and the games for 50cents as the liquidators try and scrounge some money out of the sony carcas

    just so none of u dogturds accuse me of being an astroturfer, i hope the same fate happens to microsoft and nintendo and every other heartless money gouging corporation

  53. UMD's just cost too much! Period! by onevulcanme · · Score: 3, Insightful

    In my opinion UMD movies just cost too darn much, period! I purchased a PSP several months ago and purchased a couple of games. Basically, I like the system but don't like the prices. When I look at UMD's I then go over and check the prices out for full DVD's and realize that I would be better off purchasing a DVD. I think what would really have made UMD's successful is if their price was so affordable you could buy lets say 5 of them for the cost of one DVD. If that had been the case I think people would have started gathering huge collections of UMD movies. But when you have to choose between a DVD movie and a UMD movie in reality unless you are someone that never has time to sit down and watch a movie the DVD is the way to go. For example, hypothetically if I rode a bus back and fourth to work and never had many friends over then UMD movies might be the way to go. But if I am going to ever want to watch the movie with friends or watch it on a bigger screen then I won't have the option. I really like the idea of UMD's for the PSP. Also, I would love it if you could purchase episodes of TV programs such as battlestar galactica on DVD's for a few dollars. If that was the case I would have many by now. But once again, the price point is simply too high for many people.

    1. Re:UMD's just cost too much! Period! by cyber-vandal · · Score: 1

      I would love it if you could purchase episodes of TV programs such as battlestar galactica on DVD's for a few dollars. If that was the case I would have many by now. But once again, the price point is simply too high for many people.

      That's just one of many of the reasons for piracy.

  54. That Would Break DMCA by Nazmun · · Score: 1

    DVD's come with copy protection, any such converter would break it, so even if Sony (doubtful but hypothetically) were to want to do this they couldn't.

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    1. Re:That Would Break DMCA by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      Sure they could. Just put a disclaimer on it that it's only for use with Sony Pictures movies. Bing! "Significant non-infringing use."

  55. UMD- What I think by Holmesey · · Score: 1

    Well the UMD has great graphics and sound, but I think the reason for it dying is because there are portable DVD players out. There is no point buying the UMD movies for your PSP if you have got a portable DVD player! Whats the point in having a movie on DVD with a portable DVD player and then going out and buying the UMD version of it?!?!?!

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    1. Re:UMD- What I think by iainl · · Score: 1

      Portable DVD players are just too big, though. I barely cope with the size of the PSP; anything that has to be wide enough to fit a 5" DVD into isn't going to fit in my jacket pocket.

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    2. Re:UMD- What I think by Steve001 · · Score: 1

      Holmesey wrote:

      Well the UMD has great graphics and sound, but I think the reason for it dying is because there are portable DVD players out. There is no point buying the UMD movies for your PSP if you have got a portable DVD player! Whats the point in having a movie on DVD with a portable DVD player and then going out and buying the UMD version of it?!?!?!

      I think another factor working against UMD is the PSP itself. I don't have one myself, but from what I've read on line the battery life of the PSP is just long enough to watch a single movie. That would basically mean having to have a charged battery for each movie I want to watch.

      I agree with other posters in that I already own the movie on DVD, and if I want to watch the movie on my PSP I would need to buy it again. There is also the problem that, as far as I know, the PSP is the only device that can play UMDs (please correct me if I'm wrong).

      Having previous purchased CDi, DCC, and Minidisc, I am concerned about going for a format that will soon die. I've been burned too many times to take another risk. That is why I'm going to stay with regular DVD until one of the new formats has won its war, THEN I will consider going with it.

      Question to ponder: CD was a massive improvement over the LP and 45 in terms of time and easy of use. DVD was a massive improvement over VHS; and an improvement over laserdisc, in the same way. Will the improvement of Blu-Ray and DVD-HD be as big an improvement as the two above listed format upgrades?

    3. Re:UMD- What I think by Holmesey · · Score: 0

      Hello, I have a PSP system and yes PSP is the ONLY device that uses UMD. I also aggree to you saying this is why it is going down. Infact Sony made/designed the UMD for the PSP. The battery life on the PSP system is alright. Depending on what your doing with it will decide how long the battery lasts. For example: A game may last up to 7hrs, however a movie may only last 4. You can buy in-car charges, but this is just spending more money. In response to your question I think it will be an improvement as it will have (yet again) better graphics and sound.

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  56. I love my PSP by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Many people seems to think the PSP sucks, I juse have to say that I love my PSP. Its contains realy amazing hardware for the size, if Sony released a afordable devkit (say a UMD that installs a 3thpartykey for program execution and turnedoff the UMDdrive(so people may no dump game ISOs from it)) then I think the PSP could be the next C64!! It got all you want, Internetbrowers, RSS, Flash, AVI, MP3, JPG.. you may plug it to your computer using USB and why not the builtin IR, WIFI.. And all this for 200$ ..

  57. Re:UMD writers and Reader by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

    One can rent UMD discs for now at local video stores here in Ireland.

    That said, the mind boggles as to who rents *or* buys them. Maybe there's far more PSP users here than I thought.

    Interestingly there are a lot of second-hand PSPs in the game shops at the moment. I wouldn't even spend the 200 that you can get them for now though. 150 I'd possibly consider it.

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  58. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by x2A · · Score: 0, Flamebait

    Well you should have picked another word to call your superhero other than "god", people have been using that word in explitives for *years*, we're not gonna change the words we say just because you have adopted one of them to refer to a mythical being with the "stop picking on me" mentality of a 4 year old.

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  59. Size matters by tepples · · Score: 1

    Considering there are plenty of commondity portable players for full sized DVD, price and power aren't an issue.

    I can fit a DS in my pocket. I can fit an original GBA (which is roughly the same size as a PSP) in my pocket. I can't fit a full-size portable DVD player in my pocket. For a lot of customers, size matters.

    1. Re:Size matters by geminidomino · · Score: 1

      I can fit a DS in my pocket. I can fit an original GBA (which is roughly the same size as a PSP) in my pocket. I can't fit a full-size portable DVD player in my pocket. For a lot of customers, size matters.

      If size is the biggest concern, you can just go with a pack of cigarettes. It's smaller than even the SP, and it can't play DVDs (but then again, neither can the PSP!)

    2. Re:Size matters by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      Actually, the GBA is about three centimeters narrower. And one would presume using mini DVDs wouldn't necessitate the same form factor of a full-size DVD player.

    3. Re:Size matters by tepples · · Score: 1

      And one would presume using mini DVDs wouldn't necessitate the same form factor of a full-size DVD player.

      To my knowledge, Wal-Mart and Best Buy do not carry a mini DVD player, and Hollywood movies aren't available on mini DVD.

  60. Which movies on iPod? by tepples · · Score: 1

    how many movies can you cram in an iPod's HD

    Which major studio feature films are available for iPod download? Space-shifting doesn't work in most major developed markets, almost all of which have something resembling the DMCA.

    To Sony it's about copy control.

    It's also about copy control to the other five studios in the MPAA.

    1. Re:Which movies on iPod? by fbjon · · Score: 1
      Space-shifting doesn't work in most major developed markets
      On the contrary, Sony's hubris is frequently so massive, that it shifts and bends not only the markets, but even space itself.
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    2. Re:Which movies on iPod? by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Which major studio feature films are available for iPod download? Space-shifting doesn't work in most major developed markets, almost all of which have something resembling the DMCA.

      I'm not talking about what those bastiches will allow us to do with the technology, I'm talking about the technology's capabilities. The ones you could get through illegal means, or legal downloads of non-hollywood releases.

      A self-contained device to hold AND display the video is far more attractive to me than having instead a player and a carry-case for the media.

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  61. First generation Game Boy? by tepples · · Score: 1

    Using bog standards 80mm DVDs

    ...would have made discs easier to scratch, as instead of a tiny window open to debris as in the enclosed UMD, the whole disc would be open to debris. The GameCube uses 80mm discs, but the GameCube is also not subject to the wear and tear of mobile operation. In addition, using 80mm discs would have made the reader mechanism larger. Do you want the PSP, which is as big as the original GBA, or do you want a handheld as big as the first generation Game Boy?

    1. Re:First generation Game Boy? by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      The PSP is a lot bigger than an original GBA.

    2. Re:First generation Game Boy? by iainl · · Score: 1

      As a new PSP owner, I'm actually really, really disappointed with UMDs from a scratching point of view. Would it really have killed them to spend a few extra pennies putting a sliding cover over that hole, just as they did with Minidisc? The format does bear more than a passing resemblance to MD generally.

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    3. Re:First generation Game Boy? by Wdomburg · · Score: 1

      No reason you couldn't have a cartridge the discs sit in, like many of the early CD-ROM drives did (or hell, like UMDs are). And they chose a somewhat unweildly form factor to begin with anyways; not sure another 2cm in one dimension is enough to justify a non-standard format.

  62. WMV free? by tepples · · Score: 1

    the software for producing WMV content is free.

    Which free software is that? I thought Microsoft told VirtualDub to stop supporting WMV around the 1.3 era because of Microsoft's ASF patents.

    1. Re:WMV free? by Keen+Anthony · · Score: 1
      Which free software is that? I thought Microsoft told VirtualDub to stop supporting WMV around the 1.3 era because of Microsoft's ASF patents.
      Yes, Microsoft did tell Avery Lee to stop suppporting ASF, but that's not directly relative here. ASF support in Virtual Dub was just about making it possible to edit and transcode ASF video files. I was talking about the free tools that Microsoft has provided with Windows XP or as separate downloads: Movie Maker 2 which you can use to import your video and render as WMV, Windows Media Encoder for conversion to WMV from other formats, etc. You can download them from here along with several other useful tools. Also, if you know your way around DirectShow and filter graphs you can do your own conversions. I lost interest in WMV after version 9 and settled on DivX, so I don't know what free tools are available for WMV 10 and WMV 11. Also, to my knowledge there aren't any free tools for creating WMV content off Windows.
  63. PSP firmware 2.70 vs. DS MAX Media Launcher by tepples · · Score: 1

    the PSP homebrew community

    Firmware 2.01 through 2.60 requires an M-rated game with particularly explicit violence, which is likely banned (aka "refused classification") from sale or import in some markets, in order to crack it for homebrew use. Firmware 2.70 is not cracked at all. With the DS, on the other hand, all versions of its firmware are cracked with MAX Media Launcher ($25) plus GBA Movie Player ($25) plus any size CF card, and it's still cheaper than a PSP Value Pack.

  64. Re:You have misinterpeted it by vertinox · · Score: 3, Informative

    I know this is offtopic, but when they said "Don't take the lord's name in vain!" they weren't talking about litterally saying "Don't say his name in combination of a curse word!"

    Rather they meant, don't do things in God's name that isn't in God's name.

    You know... Like pass law's in the name of God. Wage a war in God's name. Tell everyone God told you to have them give you their money so you can wallow in women and wine when God really didn't tell you that. Things like that...

    The phrase God damnit is more or less from "God damn's (something)" or something like excommunicating some one to an eternal damnation in hell.

    Truth be told... God is from the old English/German word acenstory of Goden, Gud, or Gott (etc) and if you were going to take the Bible literally you'd have to say "Yaweh damnit!" or "Jehovah damnit!" to take god's true name in vain. Because God really isn't God's true name in a sense but rather a reference to the only god in the universe.

    However for some reason it doesn't roll off the tongue as nice when you say "Yaweh damnit!"

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  65. It's fun to violate D-M-C-A by tepples · · Score: 1

    Why would I buy a UMD movie when I can rip it to my 1 GB memory stick and watch it from there?

    Because you don't have the money to move to Canada, which seems to be the only developed country without a DMCA nowadays. Otherwise, which major studio DVD movies come without CSS?

    1. Re:It's fun to violate D-M-C-A by PSXer · · Score: 1
      Come on, it's not like you'd actually get arrested for ripping your own movies for "personal" use.

      Oh shit! They have my IP! What I meant to say was 5 years, $250,000, etc. etc. etc. Oh, and the views expressed in the commentaries do not reflect the views of Fox.

  66. The Price by Onuma · · Score: 1

    UMD movies wouldn't be such a bad thing if they weren't so damned expensive!

    Why in the world would I pay $25 for a movie that I can only watch by myself (or inconveniently with another person) when I can spend $12 or $15 and get the DVD version which I can watch on my computer or TV, by myself or with friends.

    I like using my PSP to watch movies if I'm all alone, that's how I watched Saw. However, I borrowed that movie from someone and I wouldn't have bought it for a single watch...especially not for $25. I could've gotten a UMD copy of Advent Children, but once again the price and the versatility screwed Sony out of their money.

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  67. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by TadZimas · · Score: 0

    I don't think anyone actually took the lord's name in VAIN. saying "god-damnit" isn't using anyone's name. God is a job description: His true name is something unpronouncable in hebrew with a complete absence of vowels.
    If saying the word "God" was taken to be offensive, then religious anthropologists would all be condemned to the jack-chickish horrors of hell.

  68. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by leland242 · · Score: 1
  69. UMD bundled with DVD's by cyrax777 · · Score: 2, Interesting

    Would have been the way to go pay a couple bucks extra and you also get the UMD version of the movie along with the dvd and Im sure they would have sold like hotcakes. Also since a ton more UMDs are in circulation release a stand alone portable UMB movie player for under 100 dollers. Im sure if Sony had done that UMD movies wouldnt have flopped so bad.

    1. Re:UMD bundled with DVD's by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

      In Japan, some movie companies did just that. They sold the DVD with a UMD version included. I don't even have a PSP, but some movies just came with a free UMD included.

  70. I DO live in Canada... by Hamster+Lover · · Score: 1

    I live in Calgary and I have no fear of violating the DMCA, but thanks for the warning. Our government has proposed DMCA like legislation a couple of times, but both atempts died on the order paper when an election was called. The legislation contained provisions to criminalize circumventing digital encryption, but only if the purpose was to make unauthorized copies. Circumventing content protection was permitted if it was for your own use.

    At some point we will have DMCA legislation, but format shifting DVDs, MP3s and the like will still be permitted.

  71. Re:UMD writers and Reader by Babbster · · Score: 1

    That said, the mind boggles as to who rents *or* buys them. Maybe there's far more PSP users here than I thought.

    It's more likely that wholesalers are giving good deals on UMD movies to the rental places. If they can make back the wholesale price of a UMD in 1 or 2 rentals, then even a bargain-bin sale of the things later could net a profit.

  72. Mod -1, Stupidest Idea Ever by Vorondil28 · · Score: 1

    Are you serious? I have to agree with these other replies, that's just retarded.

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  73. is there just isn't anything worth goddamn buying by oldstrat · · Score: 1

    is there just isn't anything worth goddamn buying on UMD

    What the fuck!
    isn't worth worth a damn maybe but not isn't anything worth goddamn.
    I'm not a religious nut, or a language nazi...
    But when you start casually using this kind of thing in an article for no fucking good reason at all it's a sign of the endtimes.
    The endtimes for slashdot that is. There's a method for moderating comments, but I think it's long past time that VA/slashdot gave us a means for moderating the god damned articles themselves.

  74. PDA controls? by tepples · · Score: 1

    So which PDA has a good directional pad and buttons for playing games? Or should PDA owners learn to like clones of DS games instead of clones of console games?

    1. Re:PDA controls? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      I bought an Asus Mypal A716 specifically because it has one of the best controls for gaming. Unfortunately the latest faster models from Asus have controls similar to the Dell and HP PDAs.
      In general the controls on PDAs are not very good for gaming. Mine works well for 8 bit emulation (NES, C64, Sega Master System) but there aren't enough buttons for 16bit systems like SNES.
      As for native PDA games, the best ones tend to be stylus driven such as puzzle games and RTS. There are some decent RPGs as well.

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    2. Re:PDA controls? by tepples · · Score: 1

      As for native PDA games, the best ones tend to be stylus driven such as puzzle games and RTS.

      Puzzle games? How would standard Tetris work on touch control? (No, Tetris DS Touch mode is not the same thing.) Or are you talking about games with a look and feel similar to Yoshi's Cookie, Bejeweled/Zookeeper, Bust-A-Move, Tetris Attack, and Meteos?

    3. Re:PDA controls? by snuf23 · · Score: 1

      Stuff like Bookworm, Bejeweled, those kind of puzzle games. Where you use the stylus to tap things.

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  75. DMCA by tepples · · Score: 1

    However, I'm sure many users like the memory card's rewritability, PC compatibility, and ability to use existing DVDs to make PSP movies.

    Isn't buying a CSS encoded DVD and ripping it illegal everywhere but Canada?

    1. Re:DMCA by Tanamo · · Score: 1

      I really, really, don't give a toss if it is, it's not like anyone's ever going to know that I've done it unless I tell them, and when I can get a 2GB card off ebay for about the same as 2 recently released UMDs (£35) there's only one sensible way to go...

  76. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by mooingyak · · Score: 1

    Good to know I'm not alone in how I feel :)

    Wow... curse like a sailor. Note to self (and you) - avoid cliches.

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  77. A shame by Sv-Manowar · · Score: 1

    This was no real suprise, and it dates back to the frequently mentioned Betamax scenario. Basically, at the end of the day, consumers want one format they can use to buy something and use it everywhere, which is why DVD is so popular (TV,PC,PS2,XBOX etc), when you create media that is specific to your hardware, you are immeadiately locking out a huge share of the market and you are only leading your product to a very likely doom.
    It could have been so much different.

  78. A 1st Year Psych Student Could Have Told Them... by cbnmedia · · Score: 0

    That their survey results were meaningless. How amazing is it that these consultants get mega $$$ for feeding a company gibberish. The average potential PSP buyer would have naively thought that as soon as UMD came out that every single item on DVD would instantly come out on UMD, most ppl are that dumb. Big companies seem to forget that most ppl are dumb and don't prepare them properly for the reality of what they're doing.

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  79. Re:You have misinterpeted it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    I agree wholeheartedly.

  80. Not to mention... by Malevolyn · · Score: 1

    The PSP is just too damn fragile. One little slip and, whoops! Corrupted firmware. Sony (and Microsoft) needs to realize that homebrew software is a good thing in that it gives people excuses to buy their hardware.

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  81. I rate Zonk's IQ... by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    ...

    8/10!

  82. The failure of UMD by daybot · · Score: 1
    Buying low cost, universally usable DVD and ripping to Memory Stick Duo > Buying high cost, PSP-only UMD Film...

    PS if you can't do this, sorry, I don't have a PSP :)

  83. Re:UMD writers and Reader by zoney_ie · · Score: 1

    Perhaps so. In any case, the end result is highly visible PSP and UMD in the shops here right now. And the battle is not over, there are large hoardings in the shop windows at the moment for some new PSP product, and also the price drop to 205 for new PSPs (the 200 I quoted previously was for what I'd seen second hand a week or two ago - I guess it must have been a second-hand bundle).

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  84. Re:Related news: 4GB Memory Stick Duo now availabl by iainl · · Score: 1

    "Movies on memory cards don't have DVD-like menus like UMD movies do."

    As an old fan of Laserdisc, why do you say that like it's a point _against_ memory cards? I don't like DVD menus. At all.

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  85. Hey dipshit. Read the parent comment again. by Ayanami+Rei · · Score: 1

    He complained about taking the Lord's name in VANE.
    What the fuck does that have to do with "in the same vein"?
    I was making fun of his spelling.

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  86. Everyone's waiting to buy Blu-Ray disks! by ianscot · · Score: 1
    That's the same situation as is happening with recently released DVDs... coincidence? I think not.

    See, the thing is, we're all saving up $600 for a PS3 and another $1400 for a Sony flat panel so we can then pay lavish amounts of money to re-purchase our entire movie libraries in Sony's brand new Blu-Ray format! Is Sony the only company that groks this obvious market mechanic??

    We don't have time to devote to purchasing Sony's previous attempt to leverage market position in the game world into a win over video standards, because we're waiting with baited breath for the next time around. It's that simple!

    Or, just perhaps, Sony could be wrong about that.

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  87. Re:Was it necessary to use the Lord's name in vane by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Mod goddamn parent up!

  88. Format failure of Business Model Failure? by Mr.+Analytical · · Score: 1

    I read that story (and the decidedly less gloating feeder article) and I was struck by the fact that while the UMD was admittedly a pretty shitty format, maybe the problem isn't the format but the business model. Sony are an electronics and media company. For the past 100 years, western society has been buying these boxes that allow them access to information and then going out and buying the information in a little delivery device called a format. So you have an economic system based on companies designing machines, building them then having other people pay them to sell the machines to us. Ditto for the media. However, now we all have one broadly identical box and we're growing more and more used to pressing a button and having instant access to media. Want a song? it's a handful of clicks away on iTunes or the P2P network. Want a film or an old TV series? well it's a click away on the torrent sites and, if you're a good little consumer, a website that will sell it to you for less than any of the shops in your area can give it to you for. Bandwidth is growing, the speed and ease with which we can access information is increasing every month. But there are millions of people who work in industries that require us to go and buy our information in shops thanks to these little delivery systems and boxes that allow you to get at the stuff in the delivery systems. So in other words, Sony aren't just trying to keep alive a format that was widely decried as shit virtually from release, but they're battling to keep a business model and an economic system in place. If we could instantly access any information we wanted at the touch of a button it would mean that high-street retail would die tomorrow and it would take most of the consumer electronics industry with it. So Sony and the others are trying to keep us interested... trying to sell us format after format after format where in reality, as the research shows, people want content not formats. So consumer electronics has a balancing act to maintain... make the format too open and transparent and you risk making it obsolete from birth, but make it too closed and difficult to use and you're fighting not just other formats but instant information on the internet. I hope for their sake that they've learned from this disaster... but strangely I also hope that they haven't.

  89. Re:Related news: 4GB Memory Stick Duo now availabl by kindbud · · Score: 1

    Movies can be played from these memory cards and several easy-to-use utilities exist for ripping DVDs and encoding into MPEG-4 at the PSP's 480x272 resolution.

    Five hours later, your 110-minute movie is ready to watch. It's so easy!

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  90. UMD not bad.. just want they put on it... by Wingfat · · Score: 0

    If they released more Anime films, TV shows and such i would buy them up quick style. but watching a full legnth Hollywood film on my lunch break doesnt work, I would rather watch a short TV show while i am eating and then when i am done eating pop in a game and finish out my luch hour in style. Plus if sony was just a little smarter they would make a portable UMD player/game thing. Like make a 11'' portable screen about the size of the PS1 and have a UMD slot and a regular PSP DVD Rom slot and have a nice little protable game / dvd movie thing i can take camping.

  91. My take on UMD.... by SupremoMan · · Score: 1

    UMD is simply too expensive. With prices of portable DVD players below that of PSP, and prices of DVD's way below UMD (Unless you shop at Suncoast), no sensible person would purchase PSP to view movies. Especially not this person.

  92. Re:You have misinterpeted it by Anonymous Coward · · Score: 0

    Jehovah and Yaweh are really just attempts to pronounce the tetragrammaton.

  93. Downplaying the importance of the law by tepples · · Score: 1

    I'm not talking about what those bastiches will allow us to do with the technology, I'm talking about the technology's capabilities.

    Including the capability to put its user and its manufacturer in jail in just about every market but Canada? Or would you want to discuss the capabilities of, say, LSD-25 or heroin without discussing their prohibition?

    1. Re:Downplaying the importance of the law by Scrameustache · · Score: 1

      Including the capability to put its user and its manufacturer in jail in just about every market but Canada? Or would you want to discuss the capabilities of, say, LSD-25 or heroin without discussing their prohibition?

      1- Posting from within the New Land Of The Free (well, until Harper and his minions are done handing the country over to the White House that is).

      2- Sure, why not? The capabilities of LSD can be discussed independantly of the legal constructs that have been made to contain it.

      The law is arbitrary, it's made up rules done more or less honestly by people for the alternating interests of the public or of a small group of influencial people (against the interest of the general populace). It does not count when discussing the technical merit of a subject. It counts when discussing availability of a subject, but it does not affect the subject itself, only the context of it's use.

      There are currently video iPods playing legitimatly aquired content. The technology and the law are there, now all there is todo is to make the boards of the major content distributors let go of their dreams of total content controll, and we'll be golden.

      Back to my point: I don't want to carry small discs in a case along with the supposedly portable player they need, I want to use existing technology to carry my entire content library IN the player. So i will not give them money for a player that needs a bunch of small discs to be lgged around with it.
      This isn't sci-fi, this is a real possibility, and the only thing stopping it from happening is the unwillingness of the sellers to accomodate their client's best interest (and theirs, since the client is always right). They could take my money, but don't wanna.

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