That is incorrect in the ic mask layout terminology. Tape out specifically refers to converting and sending "tape reels" with the polygon data for chip manufacture. Now a days we use the net or CDS, etc, but the term still applies.
Tape out is an old term dating back to when tape's were used to send the mask data (polygons representing the physical layout of the electrical structures that form an IC) data to a fab for manufacture. The chip development cycle is: Circuit Design/Simulation (Design Engineers), physical IC Mask Layout drawing (IC Mask Layout Design Engineers), verification of layout vs schematic, and finally the chip gets "taped out" ie the data is exported to an industry standard, for IC Mask Layout this standard is called "GDSII" and sent off to a FAB for manufacture. From tapeout to silicon it takes around 6-8 weeks, depending on the fab and how busy it is.
Yes, the number of people killed pales in comparison to the number of people who die on our highways, but people are dying on our highways because they're being stupid drivers, while people who die from a terrorist attack were ostensibly doing nothing wrong... they were killed because of their religion or their nationality, or as collateral damage from the killings of people for their religious beliefs or nationality.
People who die from a terrorist attack were, to someone else, dying for their stupidity. It's very relative. Bet if you were on that other side, the life style of the people who died is the reason that got them killed. Being Americans, and everything that comes with it, and everything that Americans shove down the throats of the rest of the world sure has pissed off a lot of people. All of the torture pain and suffering caused by Americans and their stupidity is what made them a target. The same can be argued about your pathetic reasons can be argued from the other side as well.
Deaths are deaths and "terrorism" related deaths are insignificant. Stop spinning it any other way. You cannot eradicate "terrorism" as you cannot eradicate "drugs".
A war on terror will last until humanity destroys itself. There will never be a "victory" on the war on terror until free thought is abolished, and you're half-way there in supporting it. I escaped the police states of Eastern Europe, and now I will have to escape the Police State of the West. Congrats!
I hope eighty years from now your grand children die a bloody death in a concentration camp for suggesting that the the war on terror was a bad idea. Thanks grandpa.
Are you SURE you sent the paperwork to the right place? I have found the BBB to be very effective and they are *QUICK* to get things done. The I've had great response time and outcome from the California BBB/PUC.
I was going to say; the command line can let you express feelings. But then I caught myself. The only feelings I could express at the command line were male feelings after all. unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep -- More proof Linux is sexist!
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500,000 for a house? On a HILL no less? That's so cheap:( where do you live?!
Two huge differences between the US and China/India is that we have enviromental standards to live by, and two we have basic human rights to uphold. The US cannot compete with this because we think that we have a responsibility to future generations. For countries where living day to day is the only thing that counts the environment and human lives are cheap and expendable.
You have one thing to keep in mind regarding that - "we think that we have a responsibility to future generations", we chose this standard of living, if it becomes unsustainable, that's our fault as well. The most important thing we have to realize in this environmental fight against all that is evil to the planet is - we're all going to die. The planet did fine without us for millions of years, and it will do fine without us for millions more. And guess what? It's a self-correcting system. If we want to keep this standard we're welcome to work harder to maintain it - but it was our decision to live the way we do. We chose these environmental standards. "Basic human rights", what a load of bullshit if I have ever heard one, tell that to some of the inmates at Gitmo, tell that to the Iraqi prisoners we beat and tortured and humiliated, tell that to . Don't talk about basic human rights and environmental standards because those are very negotiable to our government (or any government for that matter), regardless of which party is in control. Politicians are self-serving, then come the constituents (the wealthy ones), and finally whatever is left over.
Higher Education is becoming a luxury here in the states because uneducated people are easier to conrol. Soon we will all learn in school how god created everything, and all we need is Jesus. Amen. I couldn't agree with you more on that one.
It's a shitty system and I realize this, but if you look at it from a relative standpoint, it's a lot better than what is available in the rest of the world. I don't endorse the system, but the system gives me and anyone else who is interested a chance to move up or down. I have done so, in fact, my entire family has taken advantage of it, and it is a lot of work, but the barriers are not nearly as high as they are else where.
Heh, he mentioned it as a possibility, but not in the near-future. I'm not too worried, I run their CAD department and do IC Mask Layout design. I'm studying to do EE anyway, and that's something that'll be around for a while.
Maybe you just don't get it? Job outsourcing has happened and will happen always in a market economy - hell any economy. You are not owed a job by the government or by any business. I grew up in a totalitarian communist regime, and coming from that background, the free market is a gift from Heaven. Outsourcing aside, your job, and only job, is to figure out what the market wants and supply it - if that means re-education if you lose your job to an outsider (and in most cases it does), then that is what you have to do. Either your company outsources its jobs, or another somewhere else will, because if they can produce something cheaper for which there is a demand, they're the ones that will get the business, while we'll be stuck with useless artificially inflated and OVERPRICED goods that we can do nothing with but sell within our local economy - hence no exports. The developing world (which most of the world is) is looking to buy cheap goods because that's all they can afford. As in the industrial revolution and the aftermath where industrial jobs were outsourced to other countries, science, technology, and invention replaced those jobs with new jobs that created demand for a new set of goods, and a new job market. Stay ahead and informed or get left behind. This does not mean you have to cheat to get to the top.
If you can catch five rabbits a day with your spear and someone else in another tribe has a bow and arrow and can catch thirty a day and trade them at a lower cost than you to your tribe, it's your responsibility to figure out a way to catch more rabbits at a lower expense - it is NOT your Village Chief's responsibility to outlaw the extra meat to protect your inefficient use of time and resources. It's time for you to find a way to get more rabbits - afterall, the benefits are crucial to all. If you're smart and watch the trends, you'll always be a step ahead.
One thing that we have fallen a behind on in the US, which is in part due to the conservative nasty policies of the Bush administration is Science and Technology. That's the only thing that will keep us competitive on the global market. For example, when a foreign entity develops breakthrough cures to all types of illnesses from research on stem cells which is really being hampered here in the US by conservative sectarian BS, they'll have a wonderful lucrative business and a monopoly on the business. Maybe when the technology becomes established and they've developed newer technologies, they'll outsource some of their lesser jobs to us - because we were too busy whining about losing some job to an Indian programmer who could do the same job much cheaper.
Whiny Americans. Stop bitching and create new things to help all of us.
My job is under threat of being outsourced, my boss brought it up at a meeting recently. I suppose it's time for me to do something that distinguishes me from the potential cheaper employees or get left behind. Imagine that - I have to work to stay ahead.
Nobody asks you whether you agree or not. AMD can sell processors at 20 times the price they cost to produce them. Companies are in business to make money, and if there's people willing to spend 20 times the production cost, AMD will sell them at that price. I assume you don't agree with pretty much everything produced outside the US/Western Europe/Japan area, as all of it has been produced at a lot lower cost than the selling price. I suppose its time for you to stop buying cars, clothes, foodstuffs, and almost everything else you take for granted because you don't agree with it. Who is stopping you from importing goods from another country? If I could find processors cheaper in another country, I'd buy/import them, but the trend is usually quite the opposite if you've had a chance to travel between the US, and Europe - prices in Europe are generally higher, partly due to VAT I assume. So if I'm looking to buy a processor, or almost all other wares, I don't buy from Europe (even without VAT prices are almost always higher). "At the moment... can't buy them there and sell them over here", sure you can. You can import them like every other retailer, you could even fly to Malaysia or wherever the processor is manufactured and buy one in the country but I guarantee you you won't find them to be any cheaper in the poor countries - in fact, technology is generally way more expensive in the poorer countries than in the US. Noting your usage of plus.com, I assume you're British (or some other kind of Western Euro). Oh yeah! That's right, socialism is big over there, not very fond of capitalism are we? Commies without a dictator.
I was under the impression Intel was based in Santa Clara. True there are quite a few tech companies in Portland, but most of them are based in Santa Clara county (Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Santa Clara, San Jose, etc.)
"icann is providing a service of sorts" - the british government was providing "a services of sorts" as well. what is your point? they administered the colonies.
Lame. The Patriot Act isn't a "Republican" thing. Hell, it's not even a specific "Bush" thing. IIRC, all but one person in Congress voted for it. That doesn't seem like a Republican thing. Your comment was the Troll comment. DoSing other site's is not civic disobedience.
This is one of the sickest and most disgusting things I have read in a while. I am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. I've voted both Liberterian and Republican in the past, and rarely Democratic. I grew up in an Eastern European country (Romania); my political viewpoint has been heavily influenced by my memories of the past.
I am just disgusted that a group of 12 year old children, self-proclaimed "defenders of freedom", would even think about doing this; are they not receiving any education from their parents these days? This is not only against any moral standards, it's outright against everything this country stands for - that is, if it still stands for anything. So now I can't share my viewpoint anymore because some immature person might not like what I have to say and DOS me? Come to my house and kill me? So much for upholding those great American values of "Democracy".
This story doesn't even merit making the Slashdot front page. I was under the impression that all of us here (even if we disagree with the policy of the current presidency) are smart and intelligent enough not support such actions.
I am disgusted by you CmdrTaco. This "news" is not even worthy of trash. "Hackers"? I "hacked"; and I sure as hell do not remember DOSing people because their viewpoints were not my own. I grew up in a country where that was case; and no, there you wouldn't get DOS'd for sharing a non-acceptable viewpoint. You'd get picked up by the secret police, beaten, totured, and maybe make it back to your family and freedom. No, when I was "hacking", I was educating myself - reading up on as much as I could computer related, I wrote my own shell code, did assembly on 4 processors, wrote C/C++/JAVA/... and a lot of other languages, worked on three emulators, and loved taking things apart, seeing how they worked, learning something new, getting some kind of new information - and all of this before I ever turned 18. Do NOT associate the actions of these immature people with hacking. It's revolting.
It has to do with emulation history and the context the name come from, there were two popular emulators at the time called GENECYST and NESTICLE; my naming scheme just follows established tradition.:-)
Well, I never thought the source would be of any use to anyone (although the debugger was used in the dev of another emu). I was a Fresh/Soph in highschool when I wrote this. That was my last major project where I had the enthusiasm to code. I burned out after re-writing the part where I emulate the exception handling, and delay slots to be "proper" (to the R4x00 processor specs), I actually had a dirty hack in for the delay slot instructions. I rewrote that part of the code three times from scratch, and each time I would have the same problem; everything would break. I couldn't figure it out and eventually burned out. I keep my coding down to a minimum these days.
I hope only one thing, the porter, GPF?, puts the source back out again... I learned from other's source, and I hope others can learn from mine.
IBM isn't all in the clear either though, I was under the impression they stepped all over Phoenix (was it someone else?) legally wise when Phoenix reverse engineered the IBM PC BIOS to escape IBMs control over the PC market.
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That is incorrect in the ic mask layout terminology. Tape out specifically refers to converting and sending "tape reels" with the polygon data for chip manufacture. Now a days we use the net or CDS, etc, but the term still applies.
Tape out is an old term dating back to when tape's were used to send the mask data (polygons representing the physical layout of the electrical structures that form an IC) data to a fab for manufacture. The chip development cycle is: Circuit Design/Simulation (Design Engineers), physical IC Mask Layout drawing (IC Mask Layout Design Engineers), verification of layout vs schematic, and finally the chip gets "taped out" ie the data is exported to an industry standard, for IC Mask Layout this standard is called "GDSII" and sent off to a FAB for manufacture. From tapeout to silicon it takes around 6-8 weeks, depending on the fab and how busy it is.
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Yes, the number of people killed pales in comparison to the number of people who die on our highways, but people are dying on our highways because they're being stupid drivers, while people who die from a terrorist attack were ostensibly doing nothing wrong... they were killed because of their religion or their nationality, or as collateral damage from the killings of people for their religious beliefs or nationality.
People who die from a terrorist attack were, to someone else, dying for their stupidity. It's very relative. Bet if you were on that other side, the life style of the people who died is the reason that got them killed. Being Americans, and everything that comes with it, and everything that Americans shove down the throats of the rest of the world sure has pissed off a lot of people. All of the torture pain and suffering caused by Americans and their stupidity is what made them a target. The same can be argued about your pathetic reasons can be argued from the other side as well.
Deaths are deaths and "terrorism" related deaths are insignificant. Stop spinning it any other way. You cannot eradicate "terrorism" as you cannot eradicate "drugs".
A war on terror will last until humanity destroys itself. There will never be a "victory" on the war on terror until free thought is abolished, and you're half-way there in supporting it. I escaped the police states of Eastern Europe, and now I will have to escape the Police State of the West. Congrats!
I hope eighty years from now your grand children die a bloody death in a concentration camp for suggesting that the the war on terror was a bad idea. Thanks grandpa.
Your bigotry is funny to me. I hope they institute new taxes such as useless matter taxes. Preferrably taxed by the pound.
Are you SURE you sent the paperwork to the right place? I have found the BBB to be very effective and they are *QUICK* to get things done. The I've had great response time and outcome from the California BBB/PUC.
I was going to say; the command line can let you express feelings. But then I caught myself. The only feelings I could express at the command line were male feelings after all. unzip, strip, touch, finger, grep, mount, fsck, more, yes,fsck,fsck,fsck,umount, sleep -- More proof Linux is sexist!
500,000 for a house? On a HILL no less? That's so cheap:( where do you live?!
Two huge differences between the US and China/India is that we have enviromental standards to live by, and two we have basic human rights to uphold. The US cannot compete with this because we think that we have a responsibility to future generations. For countries where living day to day is the only thing that counts the environment and human lives are cheap and expendable.
You have one thing to keep in mind regarding that - "we think that we have a responsibility to future generations", we chose this standard of living, if it becomes unsustainable, that's our fault as well. The most important thing we have to realize in this environmental fight against all that is evil to the planet is - we're all going to die. The planet did fine without us for millions of years, and it will do fine without us for millions more. And guess what? It's a self-correcting system. If we want to keep this standard we're welcome to work harder to maintain it - but it was our decision to live the way we do. We chose these environmental standards. "Basic human rights", what a load of bullshit if I have ever heard one, tell that to some of the inmates at Gitmo, tell that to the Iraqi prisoners we beat and tortured and humiliated, tell that to . Don't talk about basic human rights and environmental standards because those are very negotiable to our government (or any government for that matter), regardless of which party is in control. Politicians are self-serving, then come the constituents (the wealthy ones), and finally whatever is left over.
Higher Education is becoming a luxury here in the states because uneducated people are easier to conrol. Soon we will all learn in school how god created everything, and all we need is Jesus.
Amen. I couldn't agree with you more on that one.
It's a shitty system and I realize this, but if you look at it from a relative standpoint, it's a lot better than what is available in the rest of the world. I don't endorse the system, but the system gives me and anyone else who is interested a chance to move up or down. I have done so, in fact, my entire family has taken advantage of it, and it is a lot of work, but the barriers are not nearly as high as they are else where.
Marius
Heh, he mentioned it as a possibility, but not in the near-future. I'm not too worried, I run their CAD department and do IC Mask Layout design. I'm studying to do EE anyway, and that's something that'll be around for a while.
Marius
Maybe you just don't get it? Job outsourcing has happened and will happen always in a market economy - hell any economy. You are not owed a job by the government or by any business. I grew up in a totalitarian communist regime, and coming from that background, the free market is a gift from Heaven. Outsourcing aside, your job, and only job, is to figure out what the market wants and supply it - if that means re-education if you lose your job to an outsider (and in most cases it does), then that is what you have to do. Either your company outsources its jobs, or another somewhere else will, because if they can produce something cheaper for which there is a demand, they're the ones that will get the business, while we'll be stuck with useless artificially inflated and OVERPRICED goods that we can do nothing with but sell within our local economy - hence no exports. The developing world (which most of the world is) is looking to buy cheap goods because that's all they can afford. As in the industrial revolution and the aftermath where industrial jobs were outsourced to other countries, science, technology, and invention replaced those jobs with new jobs that created demand for a new set of goods, and a new job market. Stay ahead and informed or get left behind. This does not mean you have to cheat to get to the top.
If you can catch five rabbits a day with your spear and someone else in another tribe has a bow and arrow and can catch thirty a day and trade them at a lower cost than you to your tribe, it's your responsibility to figure out a way to catch more rabbits at a lower expense - it is NOT your Village Chief's responsibility to outlaw the extra meat to protect your inefficient use of time and resources. It's time for you to find a way to get more rabbits - afterall, the benefits are crucial to all. If you're smart and watch the trends, you'll always be a step ahead.
One thing that we have fallen a behind on in the US, which is in part due to the conservative nasty policies of the Bush administration is Science and Technology. That's the only thing that will keep us competitive on the global market. For example, when a foreign entity develops breakthrough cures to all types of illnesses from research on stem cells which is really being hampered here in the US by conservative sectarian BS, they'll have a wonderful lucrative business and a monopoly on the business. Maybe when the technology becomes established and they've developed newer technologies, they'll outsource some of their lesser jobs to us - because we were too busy whining about losing some job to an Indian programmer who could do the same job much cheaper.
Whiny Americans. Stop bitching and create new things to help all of us.
My job is under threat of being outsourced, my boss brought it up at a meeting recently. I suppose it's time for me to do something that distinguishes me from the potential cheaper employees or get left behind. Imagine that - I have to work to stay ahead.
Marius
Not for the last few years, in fact AMDs x64 line runs a lot cooler than any Intel processor I've seen.
Nobody asks you whether you agree or not. AMD can sell processors at 20 times the price they cost to produce them. Companies are in business to make money, and if there's people willing to spend 20 times the production cost, AMD will sell them at that price. I assume you don't agree with pretty much everything produced outside the US/Western Europe/Japan area, as all of it has been produced at a lot lower cost than the selling price. I suppose its time for you to stop buying cars, clothes, foodstuffs, and almost everything else you take for granted because you don't agree with it. Who is stopping you from importing goods from another country? If I could find processors cheaper in another country, I'd buy/import them, but the trend is usually quite the opposite if you've had a chance to travel between the US, and Europe - prices in Europe are generally higher, partly due to VAT I assume. So if I'm looking to buy a processor, or almost all other wares, I don't buy from Europe (even without VAT prices are almost always higher). "At the moment ... can't buy them there and sell them over here", sure you can. You can import them like every other retailer, you could even fly to Malaysia or wherever the processor is manufactured and buy one in the country but I guarantee you you won't find them to be any cheaper in the poor countries - in fact, technology is generally way more expensive in the poorer countries than in the US. Noting your usage of plus.com, I assume you're British (or some other kind of Western Euro). Oh yeah! That's right, socialism is big over there, not very fond of capitalism are we? Commies without a dictator.
I was under the impression Intel was based in Santa Clara. True there are quite a few tech companies in Portland, but most of them are based in Santa Clara county (Sunnyvale, Mountain View, Santa Clara, San Jose, etc.)
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I tried Mono for a month but wasn't really pleased with the results. Needless to say, I really dislike herpes virii now. :-/
Marius
Avoid sharing any drinks with 95% of the population. (Including swapping saliva with the opposite sex;).
Marius
"icann is providing a service of sorts" - the british government was providing "a services of sorts" as well. what is your point? they administered the colonies.
Lame. The Patriot Act isn't a "Republican" thing. Hell, it's not even a specific "Bush" thing. IIRC, all but one person in Congress voted for it. That doesn't seem like a Republican thing. Your comment was the Troll comment. DoSing other site's is not civic disobedience.
This is one of the sickest and most disgusting things I have read in a while. I am socially liberal, and fiscally conservative. I've voted both Liberterian and Republican in the past, and rarely Democratic. I grew up in an Eastern European country (Romania); my political viewpoint has been heavily influenced by my memories of the past.
I am just disgusted that a group of 12 year old children, self-proclaimed "defenders of freedom", would even think about doing this; are they not receiving any education from their parents these days? This is not only against any moral standards, it's outright against everything this country stands for - that is, if it still stands for anything. So now I can't share my viewpoint anymore because some immature person might not like what I have to say and DOS me? Come to my house and kill me? So much for upholding those great American values of "Democracy".
This story doesn't even merit making the Slashdot front page. I was under the impression that all of us here (even if we disagree with the policy of the current presidency) are smart and intelligent enough not support such actions.
I am disgusted by you CmdrTaco. This "news" is not even worthy of trash. "Hackers"? I "hacked"; and I sure as hell do not remember DOSing people because their viewpoints were not my own. I grew up in a country where that was case; and no, there you wouldn't get DOS'd for sharing a non-acceptable viewpoint. You'd get picked up by the secret police, beaten, totured, and maybe make it back to your family and freedom. No, when I was "hacking", I was educating myself - reading up on as much as I could computer related, I wrote my own shell code, did assembly on 4 processors, wrote C/C++/JAVA/... and a lot of other languages, worked on three emulators, and loved taking things apart, seeing how they worked, learning something new, getting some kind of new information - and all of this before I ever turned 18. Do NOT associate the actions of these immature people with hacking. It's revolting.
Shame on you CmdrTaco.
Marius
Depends on who you are...
It has to do with emulation history and the context the name come from, there were two popular emulators at the time called GENECYST and NESTICLE; my naming scheme just follows established tradition. :-)
marius
Well, I never thought the source would be of any use to anyone (although the debugger was used in the dev of another emu). I was a Fresh/Soph in highschool when I wrote this. That was my last major project where I had the enthusiasm to code. I burned out after re-writing the part where I emulate the exception handling, and delay slots to be "proper" (to the R4x00 processor specs), I actually had a dirty hack in for the delay slot instructions. I rewrote that part of the code three times from scratch, and each time I would have the same problem; everything would break. I couldn't figure it out and eventually burned out. I keep my coding down to a minimum these days.
I hope only one thing, the porter, GPF?, puts the source back out again... I learned from other's source, and I hope others can learn from mine.
- marius
NINCEST 64: Get sis or get out.
I don't know about you, but all MY organs are pretty damn vital.
IBM isn't all in the clear either though, I was under the impression they stepped all over Phoenix (was it someone else?) legally wise when Phoenix reverse engineered the IBM PC BIOS to escape IBMs control over the PC market.