The iPhone uses IMAP for services like Yahoo. Way better than a web interface on the phone. On the desktop, I really notice no problems with IMAP. It takes a few seconds to get most messages, then access to them instantaneous unlike via a web interface.
My offline access is mostly when I'm travelling, trains, planes, or overseas between paying for internet. Even commuting to work has a significant length of time underground on the Tube with no internet access, but that's where I do most of the emailing from my phone. Longer emails are typically to distant friends and family. More complex emails might just be sending a bulleted list to my wife (annoying to do on a mobile device), or even a copy and paste of a table from our online banking account which works better in a MUA than web interface. Sounds pretty Joe Average, although a lot of people these days don't seem to realise how shit the user experience is away from a MUA because that's what they've mostly experienced.
How do you think cell phones access these webmail accounts? IMAP perhaps?
Yahoo never really got on the IMAP bandwagon. Now that I've figured out how to do that, I use a desktop mail tool for writing longer emails, more complex email with better formatting and for working offline. Way easier than working on my iPhone, and a way better experience than Yahoo's web UI.
What exactly is it about TB that is not capable of handling your need?
As I said in another thread: the limit of two email addresses per contact and mbox format. The HTML editing is poor too compared with other modern MUAs. Glad it's working for you though. I will stick to just using it for my webmail when I'm offline. I started using it again for this six months ago after a break of four years, and it felt like a regression more like ten years. I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Outlook is a million times better these days.
It kind of works. Addressbook contacts can only have two email addresses, which took on a new level of irritating recently when my wife changed her name. More annoying is the use of mbox format instead of maildir, which results in whole mail folders being selected for backup every time, so for me that could be an unnecessary few hundred MB every hour with Time Machine.
It also runs on OS X, although VMWare Fusion isn't free. I use it most days. VMs are portable to other host OSes either.
I don't get this VirtualBox is easier than VMWare business. I haven't used VB, but the VMWare desktop products are so easy to use that I don't see there being much scope to make it easier.
Having been on Orange at work, and then transferred to T-Mobile, I find it hard to believe the EE's service will provide anything like this kind of throughput. You'd be lucky to hit 500MB downloading non-stop for a month.
With Orange, the 3G data service was frequently utterly unusable. Imagine coming out at Oxford Circus in London and trying to use maps on an iPhone and giving up waiting for it to load and it being quicker to walk around Soho in circles to find your intended destination. Or taking the train to Edinburgh and data connections timing until shortly after leaving Newcastle when suddenly the connections starts flying (bandwidth shaping or over-subscribed?)
On T-Mobile, when my connection stalls, I find I have a T-Mobile Orange signal. Forcing it back to T-Mobile fixes the throughput. Recently a colleague was changed to EE and seems to be only getting Orange's data service.
I'm mainly a VB.NET person with skills from the.NET 2.0 era. Is that it?
At 37 I'm younger than the person who wrote this... my skills in a Windows world are based in the realms of C++, MFC, COM, etc..Net and everything from Microsoft since then just get easier. The kids in my team these days don't even know how to think outside their little sandbox (pardon the pun). When did this person start their career - at the age of 32?
What's the turn-over? How many old timers are still active or even lurking on here? Life and career are so busy for me now I barely have time to read the headlines on here.
That would be everybody who speaks English except for Americans. Not just the French (I assume that's who you were referring too in your puerile comment)
For most of the English speaking world, a "meter" is a measurement device, not a unit of measure.
China's a country of over a billion a people of different ethnicities and cultures, which you can't really look at it through the lens of averages or generalisations. The difference between rural China and Shanghai is far greater than the difference between Shanghai and Hong Kong. You might as well ask: why don't the people of the US rise up and demand better when their is so low?
Not sure what this anti-Microsoft rant is all about. Microsoft licensed the technology long before IE came to dominate the browser market. Andressen also went to develop Netscape (forefather of Firefox). That business failed worse than Microsoft. So what?
Funny! Actually the worst email are from clients/users that insist on using plain text. A few messages in to an email thread and you end up with fugly misformatted mess that's incredibly hard to read over. Thank goodness iPhone's aren't quite as bad as they were a few of years ago when they came along and started f***ing things up.
Totally missing the point that with mutli-process browsers, I can manage the browser better because I can: 1) See which tab is using excessive memory 2) See which tab is using excessive CPU
At the moment the only option to conserve battery life on a laptop is to close Firefox or minimise tab usage. That's user unfriendly bullshit.
The other major point is that multi-process browsers are more secure and more robust. Mozilla devs have never seemed to like thinking beyond monolithic processes though (I've had this argument with them for years from before Firefox and Thunderbird showed that mail and browser didn't need to be in the same process space). Architecture doesn't seem to be a strength of the Mozilla devs does it?
Using Thunderbird is like taking a step back 10 years in MUA's. The core features (writing emails including their formatting, browsing folders, etc) doesn't really seem to have changed much since the Mozilla Suite days (which was only a small change from Netscape Communicator). It's looking pretty long in the tooth, and writing good looking emails is lagging behind other applications.
I don't suppose the re-assigned devs are going to anything useful, like multi-process Firefox. I switched to Chrome a few months ago for this one feature, and won't be coming back until they implement it as I now have per page/tab control over my laptop battery's life (I can kill CPU hogging tabs easily with Chrome). http://lawrencemandel.com/2011/11/15/update-on-multi-process-firefox-electrolysis-development/
China protects its companies [...]. The US does not. [...] One of the reasons so much manufacturing is done in China is because that's the only way to sell there. China puts high import taxes on goods made elsewhere, while the US does not
Bullshit. Have you seen how many jobs have been lost in British Columbia (a province in a country that is the US's neighbour, ally and largest trading partner) at various times due to the softwood lumber dispute? The WTO ruled in favour of Canada, but that seemed to make little difference. If that's how the US treats its friends, it's little wonder the Chinese are so defensive.
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Maybe you'd do better if you stuck to espresso during the day.
Maybe you'd do better if stuck to espresso during the day.
The iPhone uses IMAP for services like Yahoo. Way better than a web interface on the phone. On the desktop, I really notice no problems with IMAP. It takes a few seconds to get most messages, then access to them instantaneous unlike via a web interface.
My offline access is mostly when I'm travelling, trains, planes, or overseas between paying for internet. Even commuting to work has a significant length of time underground on the Tube with no internet access, but that's where I do most of the emailing from my phone. Longer emails are typically to distant friends and family. More complex emails might just be sending a bulleted list to my wife (annoying to do on a mobile device), or even a copy and paste of a table from our online banking account which works better in a MUA than web interface. Sounds pretty Joe Average, although a lot of people these days don't seem to realise how shit the user experience is away from a MUA because that's what they've mostly experienced.
How do you think cell phones access these webmail accounts? IMAP perhaps?
Yahoo never really got on the IMAP bandwagon. Now that I've figured out how to do that, I use a desktop mail tool for writing longer emails, more complex email with better formatting and for working offline. Way easier than working on my iPhone, and a way better experience than Yahoo's web UI.
What exactly is it about TB that is not capable of handling your need?
As I said in another thread: the limit of two email addresses per contact and mbox format. The HTML editing is poor too compared with other modern MUAs. Glad it's working for you though. I will stick to just using it for my webmail when I'm offline. I started using it again for this six months ago after a break of four years, and it felt like a regression more like ten years. I can't believe I'm saying this, but even Outlook is a million times better these days.
It kind of works. Addressbook contacts can only have two email addresses, which took on a new level of irritating recently when my wife changed her name. More annoying is the use of mbox format instead of maildir, which results in whole mail folders being selected for backup every time, so for me that could be an unnecessary few hundred MB every hour with Time Machine.
Yeah, exactly. I read it in a more negative way: they have no idea what they've copied to other sites, but they have copied something.
Is any of that relevant? Look at the share of operating profits: two months ago iOS was still over 60%:
http://www.economist.com/blogs/graphicdetail/2012/09/daily-chart-6
It also runs on OS X, although VMWare Fusion isn't free. I use it most days. VMs are portable to other host OSes either.
I don't get this VirtualBox is easier than VMWare business. I haven't used VB, but the VMWare desktop products are so easy to use that I don't see there being much scope to make it easier.
Why would they do that when they already have their own lossless codec?
Having been on Orange at work, and then transferred to T-Mobile, I find it hard to believe the EE's service will provide anything like this kind of throughput. You'd be lucky to hit 500MB downloading non-stop for a month.
With Orange, the 3G data service was frequently utterly unusable. Imagine coming out at Oxford Circus in London and trying to use maps on an iPhone and giving up waiting for it to load and it being quicker to walk around Soho in circles to find your intended destination. Or taking the train to Edinburgh and data connections timing until shortly after leaving Newcastle when suddenly the connections starts flying (bandwidth shaping or over-subscribed?)
On T-Mobile, when my connection stalls, I find I have a T-Mobile Orange signal. Forcing it back to T-Mobile fixes the throughput. Recently a colleague was changed to EE and seems to be only getting Orange's data service.
Yeah, .Net 2.0 is such a new toy. The story says:
At 37 I'm younger than the person who wrote this... my skills in a Windows world are based in the realms of C++, MFC, COM, etc. .Net and everything from Microsoft since then just get easier. The kids in my team these days don't even know how to think outside their little sandbox (pardon the pun). When did this person start their career - at the age of 32?
How about the number one priority: hire somebody to run the IT department who has experience of this.
How is this any different to the way they behaved more than 20 years ago when they sued Microsoft over Windows?
What's the turn-over? How many old timers are still active or even lurking on here? Life and career are so busy for me now I barely have time to read the headlines on here.
That would be everybody who speaks English except for Americans. Not just the French (I assume that's who you were referring too in your puerile comment)
For most of the English speaking world, a "meter" is a measurement device, not a unit of measure.
China's a country of over a billion a people of different ethnicities and cultures, which you can't really look at it through the lens of averages or generalisations. The difference between rural China and Shanghai is far greater than the difference between Shanghai and Hong Kong. You might as well ask: why don't the people of the US rise up and demand better when their is so low?
No they're not. VW are crushing everybody at the moment, in terms of units sold:
http://www.economist.com/node/21558269
Not sure what this anti-Microsoft rant is all about. Microsoft licensed the technology long before IE came to dominate the browser market. Andressen also went to develop Netscape (forefather of Firefox). That business failed worse than Microsoft. So what?
Ahhh, translating between code pages...
Funny! Actually the worst email are from clients/users that insist on using plain text. A few messages in to an email thread and you end up with fugly misformatted mess that's incredibly hard to read over. Thank goodness iPhone's aren't quite as bad as they were a few of years ago when they came along and started f***ing things up.
Appeal to people who aren't stuck in the 1980's and Usenet formatting flamewars?
Totally missing the point that with mutli-process browsers, I can manage the browser better because I can:
1) See which tab is using excessive memory
2) See which tab is using excessive CPU
At the moment the only option to conserve battery life on a laptop is to close Firefox or minimise tab usage. That's user unfriendly bullshit.
The other major point is that multi-process browsers are more secure and more robust. Mozilla devs have never seemed to like thinking beyond monolithic processes though (I've had this argument with them for years from before Firefox and Thunderbird showed that mail and browser didn't need to be in the same process space). Architecture doesn't seem to be a strength of the Mozilla devs does it?
I wish they'd finish their maildir support, which apparently made it t experimental. The mbox format is terrible for backups and general folder reliability:
http://jaisejames.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/import-or-migrate-mbox-to-maildir-in-thunderbird/
Using Thunderbird is like taking a step back 10 years in MUA's. The core features (writing emails including their formatting, browsing folders, etc) doesn't really seem to have changed much since the Mozilla Suite days (which was only a small change from Netscape Communicator). It's looking pretty long in the tooth, and writing good looking emails is lagging behind other applications.
I don't suppose the re-assigned devs are going to anything useful, like multi-process Firefox. I switched to Chrome a few months ago for this one feature, and won't be coming back until they implement it as I now have per page/tab control over my laptop battery's life (I can kill CPU hogging tabs easily with Chrome).
http://lawrencemandel.com/2011/11/15/update-on-multi-process-firefox-electrolysis-development/
Bullshit. Have you seen how many jobs have been lost in British Columbia (a province in a country that is the US's neighbour, ally and largest trading partner) at various times due to the softwood lumber dispute? The WTO ruled in favour of Canada, but that seemed to make little difference. If that's how the US treats its friends, it's little wonder the Chinese are so defensive.