Gee, sorry, I can't seem to remember it. Contempt of court? Fine. Hey, charge my company while you're at it, they're the ones who make me change it every other month and never write it down...
Do what I did. Take your four years of IT experience (as a computer tech workstudy in college) and become a contractor. Use your CS courses to code projects in your spare time, as a hobby, and get paid for helping corporate users fix their computers. When the job markets picks up again, you can use your degree and 'hobby projects' to help you get a job... if you haven't found something else you'd rather do.
Am I the only person here who things not everything needs to be 'networked' or 'smart' or 'e-' or '-net' or anything else? For god's sake, leave some things simple!
Dude, whatever you're smoking, start selling it before they make it illegal. You call me pro-communist simply because I point out the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam as blunders?
These two situations represent most of all what other countries don't like us for: Promising to do something, and failing to follow through. Castro is still there. After years in 'Nam, we left (although we never should have been there in the first place). Saddam Hussein is still in power. We got lucky with Milosivech over in Bosnia. Bin Laden won't be caught. And in all these cases, we wind up hurting innocents as much as the people we were there to fight.
You call me pro-communist... I call you blind. This isn't about politics... it's about our image as a big, powerful country who consistantly fails to get results when they support something. Thats' why the whole 'coalition' thing is so important... alone, we'd fail. With others, we look like we have a shot.
Naturally, you are the hardest type of person to argue with: The one who is convinced, come hell or high water, he is correct. When you ask me for examples, I give them. You then declare that they're not real examples and mean something else. It's people like you who wind up crashing planes into buildings: Because you're stymied by arguements that use facts and truth, and have to go on to bigger and more interesting actions to make people pay attention to you.
Maybe if we all tried to be a little more open to the fact that we're human and can be wrong, we wouldn't be in this mess.
This whining recititaton of a trite falacy: If we are held in contempt then we must have done something to deserve that contempt.
Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than "We're being bombed just for the hell of it."
You suppose reason where none exists. Recognize irrationality as the root cause; The Taliban are religious fanatics. With them reason and motive share no interelation. They kill us because they hate use, and they hate us becasue we have televisions, because we permit women to bare their faces in public, because we are Catholic and Jewish and Buhdist and atheist; For all the ways we violate their view of Islamic practice, we are despised.
And I wouldn't be arguing with you if not for this: I'm not talking about just the Taliban. Saying the Taliban hates us and the entire rest of hte Muslim world loves us is like saying David Koresh was the only insane Christian. The Taliban hates us for those reasons, yes. But others hate us for the reasons I listed below (I have to stop replying from the bottom of a post upwards).
You claim that our failure to recognize acts of terrorism as payback for our misdeeds owes to ignorance of our own misdeeds. You haughtily imply that your contrary position owes to your superior knowledge, yet you fail to name a single one of those misdeeds, a logical failure reavealing sorry weakness of mind.
Other people have listed them for me, including a nice listing of people we've bombed recently. Simply because you do not keep up to date on current events, please do not presume the rest of the/. community shares your ignorance. I am no more haughty than you are able to come up with an intelligent rebutal. Rather than insult me, perhaps solid facts would be more useful to you. When has a Muslim country come right out and said they loved America? If I recall, the only one has been Kuwait, after we played schoolyard teacher and broke up a fight at recess. Where is their vocal support now?
Your argument is this: "Terrorists are murdering thousands of Americans because we provoked them by doing terrible things to them. But I really don't know what those terrible things are and I can't name any and nobody else can either. But I'm certain that they exist, we just have to look harder for them."
Actually, my arguement is that many people (this includes everyone from the extremist Taliban to the French, from Somali warlords to Montana seperatists) believe that this country's past misdeeds (selling arms, toppling governments, training terrorists) paint us as an unjust and underhanded nation. Most Americans only know of this happening in Central America, because it's closer to home. The Bay of Pigs, the coup leading to the building of the Panama Canal, and (the biggest blunder in recent deades) Vietnam all play a part in this, as does our support of one side and not the other in Israel, our injecting ourselves into the affairs of Bosnia and Iraq and Columbia... We've ceased playing policeman to the world and now we're trying to play the parent, chastising the kids when they don't do what they're told. The 'kids' are older than we are, we just don't seem to realize it.
Certainly anyone (except for the moderators) would recognize your reasoning as daft.
Or possibly the moderators just understood what I was talking about instead of saying "I don't know what he's talking about, so he must be wrong."
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The only reasons we seem to be surprised at how much we're hated out there is that we don't take the time to learn what our country has done over there, what past attitudes have been, past policies, past responses. Everyone knows America isn't well-liked in certain areas of the world... but precious few man-on-the-street Joe Average Citizens can tell you -why-. That, in a nutshell, is what the problem is. If people knew -why- we were hated, if they took the time to learn about the past instead of repeating it, maybe we could find a way out of this that doesn't involve a billion dollars worth of explosions.
Hell, I've been supporting it for a couple months now. Should use that to get a raise... "You know how much XP experience is worth to contractors right now?"
Knowing the coding community as we do, which is more likely: this was written by work-obsessed coders who want to make the best drivers possible, or written by a handful of people who are pissed at management and just want ot make it -look- faster so they can get more money for the least ammount of effort, go home, and be with their families?
"Hackers don't hack Windows machines... bad code hacks Windows machines."
Y'know, if they didn't have so many bugs, there wouldn't be anything to release, and therefor, no 'weapons' to build... it's kinda like an army making a tank with wooden components inside, then getting pissy when the other army brings flamethrowers and napalm...
I don't care about the telemarketers. They dont' call me. I wanna device that'll tell people that the reason some strange guy picked up the phone at their daughter's place WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DIAL THE RIGHT NUMBER! Geeze, people... I should start saying she's tied up to the bed... you'd think after the third wrong number they'd get the hint.
The main point being that if the cops get a search warrent, they can search your house/apartment/whatever for that random, non-repeating pad so that they can decrypt your message to the man who's going to bomb the Superbowl. Electronically, they can't do that yet. See the difference?
If he had a court order, it would be perfectly legal. He has the ability to obtain a court order any time he wishes, if he has the requirements, at which point he can read my papers, search my apartment, put me in jail for a day.
In an electronic sense, they don't have the ability to look through your papers if they're encrypted. Why should you have more rights in cyberspace than you do in meatspace?
Okay, so you're saying since there's no unreasonable search and seizure, you're allowed to, say, buy a safe, hide things in there, and not open it even if there's a court order?
You're saying that the government shouldn't have keys to use when they need them, because they -might- use them constantly?
What are you doing that makes you this paranoid? If you want to send encrypted messages to a friend or business associate, feel free. But if the friend or business associate is arrested for making bomb threats, then the cops damn well have a right to read the encrypted emails you sent him to make sure you're not sending him instructions on where to plant the next bomb.
Now, here's the important part...
***Encryption is not speech.** **It is a method of transmitting speech.**
You have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom to transmit graphic sex or expleitive-filled diatribes over PA systems or the airwaves. Likewise, you shouldn't be allowed to send encrypted messages unless the law has the ability to drecrypt them -if- -neccessary-. Doesn't mean people are going to read all your love notes for no good reason.
Car. If I don't like it, I can always take a car. Or bus. Or horse.
I hate when I hit 'submit' instead of 'preview'.
Lameness filer encountered. Reason: ASCII Art. Multiple times. Since when are some periods and a few quote marks in a bunch of text considered ASCII Art?
Something that most people I know follow already... Don't use the net for anything important! If you use the anology of the 'net as the bad part of town, where any stranger can take your credit cards from your wallet if you bring them, then encryption is the mask over the stranger's face to most people. Sure, ordinary people may have lots of reasons to wear masks, but that doesn't mean they're allowed to. Anyone wearing a mask is usually asked to leave the bank, or the office, or whatnot. These people simply want to make sure we can see through people's masks.
Just think... if you sent a coded letter through the mail, nobody would give you a second thought. Everyone's complaining because the most convienent means (the 'net) is going ot be even more regulated than before.
Well, so are airplanes. I can't bring a gun on one. Now, I won't be able to bring a pair of tweezers or a nail-clipper on one. Are my rights being curtailed? Not at all. If I don't like it, I can always take a plane. I don't have to use the most convienent means available.
And that's the problem. Convienence has become synonymous with 'rights' these days. You have the right to watch movies whenever you want. Saying you have the right to encryption without a backdoor is like saying you have the right to smoke. You enjoy it, but the activity hurts other people.
We've lost nothing yet? These are just proposals... and tons of poposals get shot down every year. Yes, these may require more fighting than most, but don't assume just because a few congressmen want them, that they're going to happen.
I swear, I'm half-expecting people to get uptight about a non-existant plan to make everyone wear a homing device so they can be found if abuiling collapses on them...
Remember, this is the FBI, an agency that boasts about its ability to lie and socially engineer.
No, that's the CIA, NSA, IRS, LAPD, and YMCA. The FBI is the agency that keeps losing guns and laptops while finding new ways to wiretap your phones without calling it wiretapping.
I don't want the government keeping track of what judges do online... I wanna know what congressmen do online. Which sex sites they go to. Which interns they're emailing about affairs. Which corporations they're getting email from. Stuff like that. Judges should be able to take care of themselves. Congressmen are far more expensive to buy.
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Gee, sorry, I can't seem to remember it. Contempt of court? Fine. Hey, charge my company while you're at it, they're the ones who make me change it every other month and never write it down...
If you don't wanna pay for it, find someone else who will. Hey, they did it with HMOs, and look how well that worked out...
Do what I did. Take your four years of IT experience (as a computer tech workstudy in college) and become a contractor. Use your CS courses to code projects in your spare time, as a hobby, and get paid for helping corporate users fix their computers. When the job markets picks up again, you can use your degree and 'hobby projects' to help you get a job... if you haven't found something else you'd rather do.
Am I the only person here who things not everything needs to be 'networked' or 'smart' or 'e-' or '-net' or anything else? For god's sake, leave some things simple!
Dude, whatever you're smoking, start selling it before they make it illegal. You call me pro-communist simply because I point out the Bay of Pigs and Vietnam as blunders?
These two situations represent most of all what other countries don't like us for: Promising to do something, and failing to follow through. Castro is still there. After years in 'Nam, we left (although we never should have been there in the first place). Saddam Hussein is still in power. We got lucky with Milosivech over in Bosnia. Bin Laden won't be caught. And in all these cases, we wind up hurting innocents as much as the people we were there to fight.
You call me pro-communist... I call you blind. This isn't about politics... it's about our image as a big, powerful country who consistantly fails to get results when they support something. Thats' why the whole 'coalition' thing is so important... alone, we'd fail. With others, we look like we have a shot.
Naturally, you are the hardest type of person to argue with: The one who is convinced, come hell or high water, he is correct. When you ask me for examples, I give them. You then declare that they're not real examples and mean something else. It's people like you who wind up crashing planes into buildings: Because you're stymied by arguements that use facts and truth, and have to go on to bigger and more interesting actions to make people pay attention to you.
Maybe if we all tried to be a little more open to the fact that we're human and can be wrong, we wouldn't be in this mess.
I feel I should respond here...
/. community shares your ignorance. I am no more haughty than you are able to come up with an intelligent rebutal. Rather than insult me, perhaps solid facts would be more useful to you. When has a Muslim country come right out and said they loved America? If I recall, the only one has been Kuwait, after we played schoolyard teacher and broke up a fight at recess. Where is their vocal support now?
This whining recititaton of a trite falacy: If we are held in contempt then we must have done something to deserve that contempt.
Which makes a hell of a lot more sense than "We're being bombed just for the hell of it."
You suppose reason where none exists. Recognize irrationality as the root cause; The Taliban are religious fanatics. With them reason and motive share no interelation. They kill us because they hate use, and they hate us becasue we have televisions, because we permit women to bare their faces in public, because we are Catholic and Jewish and Buhdist and atheist; For all the ways we violate their view of Islamic practice, we are despised.
And I wouldn't be arguing with you if not for this: I'm not talking about just the Taliban. Saying the Taliban hates us and the entire rest of hte Muslim world loves us is like saying David Koresh was the only insane Christian. The Taliban hates us for those reasons, yes. But others hate us for the reasons I listed below (I have to stop replying from the bottom of a post upwards).
You claim that our failure to recognize acts of terrorism as payback for our misdeeds owes to ignorance of our own misdeeds. You haughtily imply that your contrary position owes to your superior knowledge, yet you fail to name a single one of those misdeeds, a logical failure reavealing sorry weakness of mind.
Other people have listed them for me, including a nice listing of people we've bombed recently. Simply because you do not keep up to date on current events, please do not presume the rest of the
Your argument is this: "Terrorists are murdering thousands of Americans because we provoked them by doing terrible things to them. But I really don't know what those terrible things are and I can't name any and nobody else can either. But I'm certain that they exist, we just have to look harder for them."
Actually, my arguement is that many people (this includes everyone from the extremist Taliban to the French, from Somali warlords to Montana seperatists) believe that this country's past misdeeds (selling arms, toppling governments, training terrorists) paint us as an unjust and underhanded nation. Most Americans only know of this happening in Central America, because it's closer to home. The Bay of Pigs, the coup leading to the building of the Panama Canal, and (the biggest blunder in recent deades) Vietnam all play a part in this, as does our support of one side and not the other in Israel, our injecting ourselves into the affairs of Bosnia and Iraq and Columbia... We've ceased playing policeman to the world and now we're trying to play the parent, chastising the kids when they don't do what they're told. The 'kids' are older than we are, we just don't seem to realize it.
Certainly anyone (except for the moderators) would recognize your reasoning as daft.
Or possibly the moderators just understood what I was talking about instead of saying "I don't know what he's talking about, so he must be wrong."
The only reasons we seem to be surprised at how much we're hated out there is that we don't take the time to learn what our country has done over there, what past attitudes have been, past policies, past responses. Everyone knows America isn't well-liked in certain areas of the world... but precious few man-on-the-street Joe Average Citizens can tell you -why-. That, in a nutshell, is what the problem is. If people knew -why- we were hated, if they took the time to learn about the past instead of repeating it, maybe we could find a way out of this that doesn't involve a billion dollars worth of explosions.
FR? Don't tell me I actually get to claim two of these...
The bill has been signed. Let the fun begin...
/.ing a server used for buisness purposes now become a terrorist act? Down for two hours, make $3k an hour...
Hey, does
Hell, I've been supporting it for a couple months now. Should use that to get a raise... "You know how much XP experience is worth to contractors right now?"
Simple.
Because that would require actual work.
Knowing the coding community as we do, which is more likely: this was written by work-obsessed coders who want to make the best drivers possible, or written by a handful of people who are pissed at management and just want ot make it -look- faster so they can get more money for the least ammount of effort, go home, and be with their families?
"Hackers don't hack Windows machines... bad code hacks Windows machines."
Y'know, if they didn't have so many bugs, there wouldn't be anything to release, and therefor, no 'weapons' to build... it's kinda like an army making a tank with wooden components inside, then getting pissy when the other army brings flamethrowers and napalm...
Now for step 2: Can we do this and make it cost-efficient?
And Step 3: Can we make new things with this that we couldn't before, or will this just help us shrink down current things?
And Step 4: How can this make us more money (only the salespeople worry about this one)?
And don't forget Step 5: How can this get us laid (only the engineers typically worry about that one)?
I don't care about the telemarketers. They dont' call me. I wanna device that'll tell people that the reason some strange guy picked up the phone at their daughter's place WAS BECAUSE THEY DIDN'T DIAL THE RIGHT NUMBER! Geeze, people... I should start saying she's tied up to the bed... you'd think after the third wrong number they'd get the hint.
Now get five free shares with ever new account opened!
The main point being that if the cops get a search warrent, they can search your house/apartment/whatever for that random, non-repeating pad so that they can decrypt your message to the man who's going to bomb the Superbowl. Electronically, they can't do that yet. See the difference?
If he had a court order, it would be perfectly legal. He has the ability to obtain a court order any time he wishes, if he has the requirements, at which point he can read my papers, search my apartment, put me in jail for a day.
In an electronic sense, they don't have the ability to look through your papers if they're encrypted. Why should you have more rights in cyberspace than you do in meatspace?
Okay, so you're saying since there's no unreasonable search and seizure, you're allowed to, say, buy a safe, hide things in there, and not open it even if there's a court order?
/.er?
You're saying that the government shouldn't have keys to use when they need them, because they -might- use them constantly?
What are you doing that makes you this paranoid? If you want to send encrypted messages to a friend or business associate, feel free. But if the friend or business associate is arrested for making bomb threats, then the cops damn well have a right to read the encrypted emails you sent him to make sure you're not sending him instructions on where to plant the next bomb.
Now, here's the important part...
***Encryption is not speech.** **It is a method of transmitting speech.**
You have freedom of speech, but you don't have the freedom to transmit graphic sex or expleitive-filled diatribes over PA systems or the airwaves. Likewise, you shouldn't be allowed to send encrypted messages unless the law has the ability to drecrypt them -if- -neccessary-. Doesn't mean people are going to read all your love notes for no good reason.
Am I the only non-paranoid
And since when does the Consitution state the right to create encrypted messages that the government can't read is an essential liberty?
Car. If I don't like it, I can always take a car. Or bus. Or horse.
I hate when I hit 'submit' instead of 'preview'.
Lameness filer encountered. Reason: ASCII Art. Multiple times. Since when are some periods and a few quote marks in a bunch of text considered ASCII Art?
Something that most people I know follow already... Don't use the net for anything important! If you use the anology of the 'net as the bad part of town, where any stranger can take your credit cards from your wallet if you bring them, then encryption is the mask over the stranger's face to most people. Sure, ordinary people may have lots of reasons to wear masks, but that doesn't mean they're allowed to. Anyone wearing a mask is usually asked to leave the bank, or the office, or whatnot. These people simply want to make sure we can see through people's masks.
Just think... if you sent a coded letter through the mail, nobody would give you a second thought. Everyone's complaining because the most convienent means (the 'net) is going ot be even more regulated than before.
Well, so are airplanes. I can't bring a gun on one. Now, I won't be able to bring a pair of tweezers or a nail-clipper on one. Are my rights being curtailed? Not at all. If I don't like it, I can always take a plane. I don't have to use the most convienent means available.
And that's the problem. Convienence has become synonymous with 'rights' these days. You have the right to watch movies whenever you want. Saying you have the right to encryption without a backdoor is like saying you have the right to smoke. You enjoy it, but the activity hurts other people.
Okay... rant mode off.
We've lost nothing yet? These are just proposals... and tons of poposals get shot down every year. Yes, these may require more fighting than most, but don't assume just because a few congressmen want them, that they're going to happen.
I swear, I'm half-expecting people to get uptight about a non-existant plan to make everyone wear a homing device so they can be found if abuiling collapses on them...
Remember, this is the FBI, an agency that boasts about its ability to lie and socially engineer.
No, that's the CIA, NSA, IRS, LAPD, and YMCA. The FBI is the agency that keeps losing guns and laptops while finding new ways to wiretap your phones without calling it wiretapping.
I don't want the government keeping track of what judges do online... I wanna know what congressmen do online. Which sex sites they go to. Which interns they're emailing about affairs. Which corporations they're getting email from. Stuff like that. Judges should be able to take care of themselves. Congressmen are far more expensive to buy.
But news for nerds? Stuff that matters? No.