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Molecule Sized Transistors
IceFoot writes "Bell Labs announced it has created organic transistors with a single-molecule channel length, more than a factor of ten smaller than anything that has been demonstrated even with the most advanced lithography techniques. The really cool part is the transistors assemble themselves: the molecules do the work of finding the electrodes and attaching themselves. Webcast on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. Eastern time"
God created these when he invented viruses.
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Maybe now my $%#$%#$ Lucent stock will be worth something again.
Now for step 2: Can we do this and make it cost-efficient?
And Step 3: Can we make new things with this that we couldn't before, or will this just help us shrink down current things?
And Step 4: How can this make us more money (only the salespeople worry about this one)?
And don't forget Step 5: How can this get us laid (only the engineers typically worry about that one)?
What is this? Some sort of bizzarro-fantasy land where transistors assemble themselves? I doubt it!
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We're essentially making bacteria here. They're intelligent to an extent, and should probably be watched/controlled for safety reasons. Imagine if the wrong person got a hold of a vat of this stuff. He could cross one with a bacterium or similarly-sized molecule of toxin for the ultimate method of delivery for a biological/chemical attack. Otherwise, its a great idea.
Job? I don't have time to get a job! Who will sit around and bitch about being broke and unemployed then?
If Moore was a pessimist?
Has it been over a year since you last donated to the Electronic Frontier Foundation
I should never have let the PR people make me put this silly molecule model together with superglue ....
So how do we get smaller than this? Smaller molecules? Atoms? Sub-atomic particles? Photons?
It just seems like there is a finite limit to how small we can make these things, and it looks like we're approaching that limit, so where to next? Get rid of transistors all together and use a different method? Optical matricies that perform switching functions? Who knows, but I know I'm excited to find out what happens next.
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where it said that this discovery would be a historical "bookend" in the transistor world.
I wonder if this will prove to be true, or if, like so many feats of miniaturization, be proven incorrect further down the line.
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What is the transconductance? The maximum switching speed? The gain/bandwidth product? In short, where are all the specs on this transistor that a real engineer would need to evaluate it?
.1 Planck length, if the thing only has gain below 1 Hz it won't be very useful.
I don't care if you can make a transistor with a gate length of
Until Bell releases some more data on how this device can perform, don't get too excited....
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I mean, look, what credit did Zhenan Bao get besides holding that damn model?
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However, the thing that they do not mention in the announcement is that Bell Labs continues to have problems with the chemical bonds between molecules decaying quickly on these transistors. It is similar to the problems that plague engineers of DNA processors, another cutting-edge-but-hopelessly-broken technology. In fact, despite all of these new achievements that promise to revolutionize the industry, silicon is still king and will be king for many years to come.
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The really cool part is the transistors assemble themselves: the molecules do the work of finding the electrodes and attaching themselves
Great, now even my transistor will find a significant other before I do.
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Yes, this was somewhat offtopic, but it does have to do with nano-tech... so sue me. hehe
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How many can I put in a chip the size of a pea?
How much would it cost?
Could I use them to give me (inside my head) more RAM
Just pour some yoghurt over a thin plate of glass and let your processor grow!
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Webcast on Wednesday, October 17, 2001 at 3:00 p.m. Eastern time
[flame]It only got posted on the front page at 4:20 Eastern. Awesome timing as usual.[/flame]
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Mod the parent down. We are not "essentially making bacteria". How stupid. Organic chemistry life.
With single molecule transistors, wouldn't there be reliability concerns? After all, the uncertainty principle could wreak havoc on a circuit that is too small. Both information processing and durability would be hampered.
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It biodegrades within 6 months forcing an upgrade :D
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So now there will be an "Organic" aisle at Fry's, with pretty green labels and much higher prices?
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Ok, I can definately see how this is cool, both in terms of miniaturization and the number of transistors that can fit into large spaces (Such as big-assed Pentium IV CPUs.).
What I want to know is; how does power consumption scale in regards to transistor miniaturization? If I can make a chip require ten times less space, how much less power will it need? If size and power scale ~equally, how does this mean that Dragonball CPUs will soon be crammed into watches?
While the work done at Bell labs does indeed look unique, this experiment and breakthrough has technically already been done by Prof. James Tour (at Rice University) and Prof. Mark Reid of Yale who, in a very high-tech experiment, showed that a single molecule can conduct. It was similar to the structure shown in the Bell labs work, except it was one benzene rather than two. Tour and Reid also used self-assembly to get the molecules to line up to check conductance. The work was published in Science in late 1999.
Further, Tour and his group have synthesized molecular transistors (he calls them "Moleisters") about a year and a half ago. Unfortunately, I can't bring up his web pages to find the reference to the papers.
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Who cares?.. I mean really, show me a working processor instead of molecule sized transistors... Unless i want a walkman the size of a penny, what's the use of this?
I hate transistors.
This annoys me; Bell really didn't do any of this research, they did *ALL* the work.
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I wonder what the shape of the turn-on curve is like?
Modern short-channel MOSFETs are an ungainly compromise between being on and off. We can manipulate the threshold voltage, but so far we can't change the shape of the turn-on (essentially the gain) curve very well. The practical upshot is that modern transistors are perched somewhere between leaking too much DC current and not being strong enough to drive signals with the strength we need.
At the moment, there is no such thing as low-power, high-performance deep submicron logic. It's the nature of the transistor, not the clock speed.
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I'm sure there will always be room for more.
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As a computer engineer, I'm glad to see that some electronics engineering is now featuring women. Granted, this particular one could have been more attractive, but the point is we see innovation, and we see a woman as part of it, and that's good. I remember in school we had 4 women in the entire class of about 150 computer engineers. 1 of those was non-Indian, and displayed attractive qualities like not having body odor and not having a beard. Maybe if more stories like this come out, more women will do Comp E and future Comp E's can enjoy the presence of attractive females while in college (without spending all of their money downtown.)
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Why is Zhenan Bao carrying around all those balls wired to each other?
If she leaves that at home, will she forget how to put these molecules together?
Why doesn't she just get the directions tattooed onto the back of her hand if she needs that kind of help?
Why is it so hot? Where am I going? What am I doing in this handbasket?
Mind you, I'm no mathemitician, but the limiting factor that has created the science of binary logic (which shouldn't be confused with pure Boolean logic) is the fact that transistors operate in two states when used as logic gates. On or Off. 1 or 0. Powers of 2 are so important to computer people because that's the way our machines think.
It's going to be much easier to build a decimal or hexidecial adder/math device with optical components since light can be controlled more precisely than electricity. This is, assuming of course, that the process can be carried out on a truly optical chip. Currently the only benefit to optical technology when used inside a logic system is speed of transmission.
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Did Zhenan Bao carry around that molecule all the time, like in the pictures?
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Do not worry about Heisenberg's uncertainty principle.
Self-assembling layers that are one-molecule thick are really common and very stable. Examples include cell walls (I know where several trillion are), soap bubbles, etc.
Thermal fluctuations have many orders of magnitude more energy (1/40 kT, where k is Boltzmann's constant) than the quantum mechanical fluctuations associated with the uncertainty principle. Since room temperature doesn't make these things fall apart we can immediately stop worrying about quantum fluctuations. Also, 1 nm is big enough that quantum tunneling of electrons isn't a problem, especially at 5 V (or whatever they use in chips). The scanning tunneling microscope uses gaps that are ten times smaller and voltage differences that are thousands of times larger.
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This post was offensive on more levels than it had words.
(Besides, I thought Bao was a babe... I wouldn't throw her out of bed for staying up too late reading.)
this came out yesterday. (the wired article :)
soon... molecule sized phones.
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The good news:
Bell Labs scientists Zhenan Bao and Hendrik Schon have fabricated molecular-scale organic transistors.
The bad news:
As you can see in the picture, they are REALLY BIG molecules!
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Yes! Let's use this technology in IA-64 powering Microsoft .NET server!
Farewell, Alpha, your demise is a fair testament to profit-driven society.
Please, what's the point in all this research, if history has just shown us that when it comes to the final result, all the great minds are laid off before a Great design sees the light of day?
(worse, the parent company will ship its developers off to Intel, the company which is slowly approaching Microsoft in the "buy and burn the competition" strategy, and the behemoth will falsely claim it actually uses any of the newly owned technology)
Thank goodness for Free software, where innovation at least has the _potential_ without the need for pockets deeper than the pits beyond the Gates of Hell...
OK, this sounds good but I think that there is one problem: with my luck my chip would be defective. And then I wouldn't be able to return it because it had a "genetic defect" and I'm not allowed to "discriminate" on that basis. Of course, with organic chips the term "virus" will take on a whole new meaning.
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Molecule sized cell phones implanted while you wait!
GPS tracking implanted while you wait!
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But really. This is a great advance. It could lead to pacemakers or other medical equipment less likely to be rejected by the body and also last longer.Very good news indeed.
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I'm in love! .. at least her invention will help me run my 'how the hell do lush/pothead programmer/musicians meet hot molecular physicists' algorithm. (Yeah, it sucks, UD turned down my application to turn the problem into a UD Job ... )
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Electricity can always be split up into individual electrons, but light sometimes acts as a wave, and is thus harder to manipulate in small increments.
And kudos on realizing the whole 'powers of 2' thing. That had us all stumped for a while.
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molecular-scale transistors that rival conventional silicon transistors in performance
And rival here means what? Slower, but will become faster; Slower, but less power? Aren't we aiming for superior in all facets, not just size?
factor of ten smaller...
A Million Times Smaller Than a Grain of Sand
In what dimensions? Width, Area, Volume? What are the actual dimensions, and not just the molecule switch, but the whole gate arrangement?
A good switch perhaps, but it looks as though it is still hooked up to conventional circuitry, unless I'm reading there diagram incorrectly. This isn't so much nano-technology, as a nano-coating on existing technology. Self assembly doesn't impress me in a coating.
Self-assemble the paths in and out of the circuit and then we'll talk.
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Organic transistors? This could suggest that Bell has been working with an outside company. Can anyone remember "Ch-ch-ch-chia"
Hendrik is a cool guy. I remember meeting him a couple of years ago because I'm acquainted with his girlfriend. When I asked him about his surely interesting job at Bell Labs, he told me that it really wasn't anything special:
"I basically just go through lots of samples of different materials, connect each one to electrodes, and see if it conducts. Nothing too exciting." I guess now I know what understatement means.
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Really, when are these things ever going to be put to use. IMHO, there are two major issues that will prevent these being used in any kind of circuitboard. First, the issue of crosstalk. At the molecular level, especially with the "self-assemblage," there's no way that major crosstalk could be avoided. Secondly, what happens when one of these things breaks down? Obviously it's not going to be easy to fix, and the whole circuit board would need replacing. Don't get me wrong, this is quite cool, but it's always good to keep one foot on the ground when you're reaching for the sky.
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Microsoft Labs never makes discoveries like this.
Where's the "innovation"?
Uh, not quite. Single electrons have half-integer spin and thus obey the pauli exclusion principle, while photons (spin zero) obey bose-einstein statistics. This makes electrons "avoid" each other while photons "congrigate" (condense). But both may be viewed as either waves or as particles, and the WP duality per se has no effect on their behaviour.
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Scientist: Looky here, isn't this cool!
Lucent Exec: That's nice, but how will this help me sell more telephone systems?
Scientist: AAAAARGH! I feel like dilbert you PHB! I'm going to work for IBM research! At least their innovations eventually turn into products!
Lucent Exec: Good ridance! You can join those damn Unix guys. I'm going to play golf....
This is truly Geek cool!
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You might be able to make sub-atomic switching devices, but they wouldn't properly be called "transistors." Then again, these might be stretching the term a bit. At least they work on electrons, though.
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Could this mean the creation of Neural Network pathways are closer than we think?
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There's got to be something that comes before this (they always say the PDAs are first): "While the molecular transistor technology is still in its infancy, the scientists expect that the first applications of organic semiconductors will be in flexible flat screens-PDAs, for instance, that could be folded up and put in a pants pocket. Ultrafast, ultracheap, plastic microprocessors would likely follow many years later." See Small Times