I could have sworn that NetBSD had cornered the market on toasters:-)
(for those that dont get the dead tree version of Daemon News, Wasabi systems has full page ad in almost every edition implying NetBSD will soon power even your toaster)
OB comment: I'm glad to see that with the lack of "hype" on BSD Daemon News is sticking to thier guns and pumping out the online newsletters and the dead-tree mags on a regular basis...
BSD doesn't need the "hype" to sell itself (unlike the troubled linux variants). *BSD proves it's worth everyday....dont see Yahoo! running linux do ya?:-)
Comment on them damn "*BSD is dying" posts:
I know why these posts appear...Because the/. editors have thier heads so far up thier asses with "linux rules". I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed CommanderPaco himself. Need Examples?
Stories like "why doesn't the government use an Open Source voting system running on Linux?" (ran a few months back or so) Hell! I can tell you why, it's cause why re-invent the wheel and invest millions of dollars when you can *pay* someone with a commercial product the same amount and yet...not have to invest the time to get the job done. LINUX IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING. Is that a hard concept to grasp? Everything, I mean EVERYTHING has it's place. MS has it's place, Apple has it's place, and UNIX (note, linux is *NOT* UNIX) has it's place.
...Back to my point...I have this theory that the./ editors hard coded this damn "*BSD is dying" BS into slashcode to popup on every BSD story. Plus thier backers (VALinux) dig bashing anything that isn't thier product.
I'm begining to wonder why in the *hell* i keep reading the crap that they call news. I know I sure as hell don't click thier banners. Why should I support lame-ass articles by 1/2 wit people, I'd rather watch 20/20 all day....
yea yea i know, if i dont like it, dont read it. blah!
Theo at it again...*but*! that's what makes OBSD unique...(in an odd "it's my ball, so i'm taking it and going home" kinda way).
I'd suspect that given a few more years of this, the only thing OBSD will have installed is anything made by the OBSD team, and emacs (which will be the shell, editor, mail prog, etc).:-)
Please remember, yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Troll community when last month the FBI confirmed that Trolls account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all netizens. Coming on top of of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Trolls have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent ZDNet comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Ms. Cleo to predict a Trolls future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trolls face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trolls because Trolls are dying. Things are looking very bad for Trolls. As many of us are already aware, Trolls continue to lose market share. Green ink flows like a river of blood. Anonymous Trolls are the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Troll leader AC states that there are 7000 Anonymous Trolls. How many Trolls with names are there? Let's see. The number of Anonymous versus Named posts on/. is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Trolls with names. Fake Troll posts on/. are about half of the volume of Named Troll posts. Therefore there are about 700 Trolls with fake names. A recent article put/. Editorial Trolls at about 80 percent of the Troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Editorial Trolls. This is consistent with the number of Editorial Troll/. posts.
Due to the troubles of Trolling, abysmal sales and so on, CompuServ went out of business and was taken over by AOL who sells another troubled product to Trolls. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to another Troll-Lover.
All major surveys show that Trolling has steadily declined in market share. Trolling is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Trolling is to survive at all it will be among Anonymous hobbyist dabblers. Trolling continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trolls are dead. (and if they don't die, I will kill them).
Please remember, yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Troll community when last month the FBI confirmed that Trolls account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all netizens. Coming on top of of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Trolls have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent ZDNet comprehensive networking test.
You don't need to be a Ms. Cleo to predict a Trolls future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trolls face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trolls because Trolls are dying. Things are looking very bad for Trolls. As many of us are already aware, Trolls continue to lose market share. Green ink flows like a river of blood. Anonymous Trolls are the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Troll leader AC states that there are 7000 Anonymous Trolls. How many Trolls with names are there? Let's see. The number of Anonymous versus Named posts on/. is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Trolls with names. Fake Troll posts on/. are about half of the volume of Named Troll posts. Therefore there are about 700 Trolls with fake names. A recent article put/. Editorial Trolls at about 80 percent of the Troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Editorial Trolls. This is consistent with the number of Editorial Troll/. posts.
Due to the troubles of Trolling, abysmal sales and so on, CompuServ went out of business and was taken over by AOL who sells another troubled product to Trolls. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to another Troll-Lover.
All major surveys show that Trolling has steadily declined in market share. Trolling is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Trolling is to survive at all it will be among Anonymous hobbyist dabblers. Trolling continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trolls are dead. (and if they don't die, I will kill them).
I think both reply's to my post MISSED the point. Sure, you can tunnel *anything* via SSH. That's fine, I use ssh daily. My point was, that VNC by _default_ is insecure, unless you secure it by some other method.
sheesh. Everything has it's place. If you are too blinded by a lame penguin to see that, then you will never succed in technology.
dont forget that you can actually *encrypt* the Terminal Services session up to 128bit...I have used VNC and have seen no mention of encryption.
(for you anti-Uncle Bill's(r)) wanna whine and say you cant "share" a session like VNC? TS give the ability to "watch" other sessions or just take them over.
and yet again, something that has been known for quite some time is surfacing as 'news'. Why? perhaps they have thier heads up thier asses? maybe they stare at the cute penguins too much? or perhaps cowboyneal has secretly got them in a vodo-trance and control them (laughing the entire time)...the world may never know.
but hey! at least the editors recycle _something_, right? perhaps they should become brain donors and give someone else the gift of thought they passed up...
with my purchase of 6.5.3, there was a book called "An Introduction to Cryptography". In it, is my favorite quote...
"If all the personal computers in the world-260 million-were put to work on a single PGP-encrypted message, it would still take an estimated 12 million times the age of the universe, on average, to break a single message."
-- William Crowell, Deputy Director, Nastional Security Agency, March 20, 1997.
I wonder what this 'guestimation' would be now, considering that personal computers are now in the GHz range...
I actually tried the install of RH...I laughed at the X-based install...it was sooo cute...and then my jaw dropped as i seen what it considered "default applications"...installing stuff you dont want or need is no different than this worm fixing backdoor's w/o your consent or knowledge..
all aside, it's pretty sad that it takes a worm to patch a server...
althou, if i have to read about Theo leaving NBSD one more time, I'm gonna puke...That's like that one friend you have who keeps showing you the picture of his trophy girlfriend and tells the story of how they met at each showing...
Anything that generates "random" numbers based on anything short of the atomic decay of isotopes, (as post #111 pointed out) is only psudo-random. Try R'nTFM on your 'random' devices for UNIX (and look-alikes!) sometime...
Now, give me a few pounds of decaying isotopes, a machine to 'watch' it decay, a nifty interface to my pc...and I'll show you a random seed:-)
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999
From: Kirk McKusick
To: John Carson
Subject: Re: beasties name..
The daemon's name is NOT Chuck; that is a name cooked up by some advertising droid at Walnut Creek. He is very proud of the fact that he does not have a name, he is just the BSD daemon. If you
insist on a name, call him beastie.
i just love how BSD is contantly ommitted from the front page...
some monkey figures out how to build a robot that runs redhat that he programed to wipe his dogs ass and it stays on the front page, but let something really nifty in the bsd world make news and it never sees the light of day.
/. is bigotry at it's finest...almost like racism...mmmm seeing a connection.
Ya know...you sound like a typical RPM junkie! Have people forgotten how to *compile* things the old way? Granted, I use the ports collection nowadays when I'm feeling lazy, but there are systems where I *have* to compile the old way (BSDi for one). Has everyone gotten so lazy that the thought of downloading the actual source and compiling is like asking someone to quarter thier sister?
Somtimes I dont like the 'patches' or 'features' done by the ports maintainers...so I do it by hand.
and if you MUST login as root via anything, then you better belly up to Uncle Bill and move to redmond.
Linux (by default) is a security hazard...and I'm willing to bet that 90% of the 'Linux followers' don't know anything besides what Debian or Red Hat (etc, etc, etc) force feed them out of the box.
Why yes, I'm trolling the the Troll under the Fremont Bridge:)
Jeez! I run a tucows mirror (tucows.digital-galaxy.net), and have ran a mirror since late 1997...when TUCOWS BSD came about, i scrambled to be a mirror. TUCOWS has and is usually good about accurate content...
What shocked me was that TUCOWS lists everything on thier LinuxBerg and BSD sites as GPL! all the BSD's are listed as GPL!! I have sent a few letters to Scott (the man) and surprisingly he hasn't said anything back (a first).
I think it's an outrage to mis-lead someone about Licensing...that's *alomost* as bad as piracy.
Slashdot Mirror
I could have sworn that NetBSD had cornered the market on toasters :-)
(for those that dont get the dead tree version of Daemon News, Wasabi systems has full page ad in almost every edition implying NetBSD will soon power even your toaster)
Jobs is a purist...but his investors are not...
Jobs may want it free, but with Uncle Bill kicking his ass in the market share, he can't afford to give the kitty away for nuthin.
OB comment: I'm glad to see that with the lack of "hype" on BSD Daemon News is sticking to thier guns and pumping out the online newsletters and the dead-tree mags on a regular basis...
:-)
/. editors have thier heads so far up thier asses with "linux rules". I wouldn't be surprised if it was indeed CommanderPaco himself. Need Examples?
./ editors hard coded this damn "*BSD is dying" BS into slashcode to popup on every BSD story. Plus thier backers (VALinux) dig bashing anything that isn't thier product.
BSD doesn't need the "hype" to sell itself (unlike the troubled linux variants). *BSD proves it's worth everyday....dont see Yahoo! running linux do ya?
Comment on them damn "*BSD is dying" posts:
I know why these posts appear...Because the
Stories like "why doesn't the government use an Open Source voting system running on Linux?" (ran a few months back or so) Hell! I can tell you why, it's cause why re-invent the wheel and invest millions of dollars when you can *pay* someone with a commercial product the same amount and yet...not have to invest the time to get the job done. LINUX IS NOT THE ANSWER FOR EVERYTHING. Is that a hard concept to grasp? Everything, I mean EVERYTHING has it's place. MS has it's place, Apple has it's place, and UNIX (note, linux is *NOT* UNIX) has it's place.
...Back to my point...I have this theory that the
I'm begining to wonder why in the *hell* i keep reading the crap that they call news. I know I sure as hell don't click thier banners. Why should I support lame-ass articles by 1/2 wit people, I'd rather watch 20/20 all day....
yea yea i know, if i dont like it, dont read it. blah!
I'd rather see a product delayed because it's "not how they want it" when it ships, rather than see it Rushed Out the Door.
:-)
Classic Examples of ROD Products: Windows, Red Hat, PS2, and the Ford Pinto
Which PROVES 1 out of 4 Rushed Products "Blow up" on the consumer (pinto anyone?).
Theo at it again...*but*! that's what makes OBSD unique...(in an odd "it's my ball, so i'm taking it and going home" kinda way).
:-)
I'd suspect that given a few more years of this, the only thing OBSD will have installed is anything made by the OBSD team, and emacs (which will be the shell, editor, mail prog, etc).
Please remember, yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Troll community when last month the FBI confirmed that Trolls account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all netizens. Coming on top of of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Trolls have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent ZDNet comprehensive networking test.
/. is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Trolls with names. Fake Troll posts on /. are about half of the volume of Named Troll posts. Therefore there are about 700 Trolls with fake names. A recent article put /. Editorial Trolls at about 80 percent of the Troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Editorial Trolls. This is consistent with the number of Editorial Troll /. posts.
You don't need to be a Ms. Cleo to predict a Trolls future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trolls face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trolls because Trolls are dying. Things are looking very bad for Trolls. As many of us are already aware, Trolls continue to lose market share. Green ink flows like a river of blood. Anonymous Trolls are the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Troll leader AC states that there are 7000 Anonymous Trolls. How many Trolls with names are there? Let's see. The number of Anonymous versus Named posts on
Due to the troubles of Trolling, abysmal sales and so on, CompuServ went out of business and was taken over by AOL who sells another troubled product to Trolls. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to another Troll-Lover.
All major surveys show that Trolling has steadily declined in market share. Trolling is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Trolling is to survive at all it will be among Anonymous hobbyist dabblers. Trolling continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trolls are dead. (and if they don't die, I will kill them).
NO SPORK
Please remember, yet another crippling bombshell hit the beleaguered Troll community when last month the FBI confirmed that Trolls account for less than a fraction of 1 percent of all netizens. Coming on top of of the latest Netcraft survey which plainly states that Trolls have lost more market share, this news serves to reinforce what we've known all along. Trolls are collapsing in complete disarray, as further exemplified by failing dead last in the recent ZDNet comprehensive networking test.
/. is roughly in ratio of 5 to 1. Therefore there are about 7000/5 = 1400 Trolls with names. Fake Troll posts on /. are about half of the volume of Named Troll posts. Therefore there are about 700 Trolls with fake names. A recent article put /. Editorial Trolls at about 80 percent of the Troll market. Therefore there are (7000+1400+700)*4 = 36400 Editorial Trolls. This is consistent with the number of Editorial Troll /. posts.
You don't need to be a Ms. Cleo to predict a Trolls future. The hand writing is on the wall: Trolls face a bleak future. In fact there won't be any future at all for Trolls because Trolls are dying. Things are looking very bad for Trolls. As many of us are already aware, Trolls continue to lose market share. Green ink flows like a river of blood. Anonymous Trolls are the most endangered of them all.
Let's keep to the facts and look at the numbers.
Troll leader AC states that there are 7000 Anonymous Trolls. How many Trolls with names are there? Let's see. The number of Anonymous versus Named posts on
Due to the troubles of Trolling, abysmal sales and so on, CompuServ went out of business and was taken over by AOL who sells another troubled product to Trolls. Now AOL is also dead, its corpse turned over to another Troll-Lover.
All major surveys show that Trolling has steadily declined in market share. Trolling is very sick and its long term survival prospects are very dim. If Trolling is to survive at all it will be among Anonymous hobbyist dabblers. Trolling continues to decay. Nothing short of a miracle could save it at this point in time. For all practical purposes, Trolls are dead. (and if they don't die, I will kill them).
NO SPORK
you got to be either insane or a newbie to use a factory-installed OS on hardware.
-who- knows what kinda config they used or what's turned on/off. Just order the damn thing w/o an OS, install your cute penguin and stop bitchin.
NO SPORK
I think both reply's to my post MISSED the point. Sure, you can tunnel *anything* via SSH. That's fine, I use ssh daily. My point was, that VNC by _default_ is insecure, unless you secure it by some other method.
sheesh. Everything has it's place. If you are too blinded by a lame penguin to see that, then you will never succed in technology.
NO SPORK
dont forget that you can actually *encrypt* the Terminal Services session up to 128bit...I have used VNC and have seen no mention of encryption.
(for you anti-Uncle Bill's(r)) wanna whine and say you cant "share" a session like VNC? TS give the ability to "watch" other sessions or just take them over.
oh the joys of TS...
NO SPORK
and yet again, something that has been known for quite some time is surfacing as 'news'. Why? perhaps they have thier heads up thier asses? maybe they stare at the cute penguins too much? or perhaps cowboyneal has secretly got them in a vodo-trance and control them (laughing the entire time)...the world may never know.
but hey! at least the editors recycle _something_, right? perhaps they should become brain donors and give someone else the gift of thought they passed up...
NO SPORK
heh...(being stupid here of course), can you imagine being the guy who drops a container of these things?
.02 micron transistors!"
-- "nobody move! I just droped 5 pounds of
That would be way worse than loosing a contact in the snow...
I wonder thou, how many of these little guys would it take to amount to 5 pounds?
NO SPORK
and theo isn't making a stink about this?
NO SPORK
with my purchase of 6.5.3, there was a book called "An Introduction to Cryptography". In it, is my favorite quote...
"If all the personal computers in the world-260 million-were put to work on a single PGP-encrypted message, it would still take an estimated 12 million times the age of the universe, on average, to break a single message." -- William Crowell, Deputy Director, Nastional Security Agency, March 20, 1997.
I wonder what this 'guestimation' would be now, considering that personal computers are now in the GHz range...
NO SPORK
..is different from installing linux how?
:)
I actually tried the install of RH...I laughed at the X-based install...it was sooo cute...and then my jaw dropped as i seen what it considered "default applications"...installing stuff you dont want or need is no different than this worm fixing backdoor's w/o your consent or knowledge..
all aside, it's pretty sad that it takes a worm to patch a server...
(smell something? I do, it's called flamebait
NO SPORK
Now i can stop plyaing DinoCrisis and do something *productive* with my DreamCast!
Hell, i only bought the damn thing to run NBSD (and plus it droped down to $99!).
Of course, everyone thinks I'm insane for wanting to run NBSD on the dreamcast...
NO SPORK
"If Linux were a beer, it would be shipped in open barrels so that anybody could piss in it before delivery"
:-) I gotta remember this analogy....priceless...
Yup...that about sums up the proccess of Linux
NO SPORK
informative, yet...classy....
althou, if i have to read about Theo leaving NBSD one more time, I'm gonna puke...That's like that one friend you have who keeps showing you the picture of his trophy girlfriend and tells the story of how they met at each showing...
NO SPORK
now I too can natively run the same bloatware under FBSD that Linux lusers have enjoyed for years....oh the joy....
I'm sorry, wm is good enuff for me...
serisouly thou, glad to see yet more software be 'native'...no matter what it is
wee........
NO SPORK
Anything that generates "random" numbers based on anything short of the atomic decay of isotopes, (as post #111 pointed out) is only psudo-random. Try R'nTFM on your 'random' devices for UNIX (and look-alikes!) sometime...
:-)
Now, give me a few pounds of decaying isotopes, a machine to 'watch' it decay, a nifty interface to my pc...and I'll show you a random seed
NO SPORK
From Kirk himself...
Date: Wed, 13 Oct 1999
From: Kirk McKusick
To: John Carson
Subject: Re: beasties name..
The daemon's name is NOT Chuck; that is a name cooked up by some advertising droid at Walnut Creek. He is very proud of the fact that he does not have a name, he is just the BSD daemon. If you
insist on a name, call him beastie.
Kirk McKusick
NO SPORK
ok, so I posted my rant to a review...my bad
:-)
your point is valid....but how often do i get to make my point? (oops! almost everytime there *is* BSD news
NO SPORK
i just love how BSD is contantly ommitted from the front page...
some monkey figures out how to build a robot that runs redhat that he programed to wipe his dogs ass and it stays on the front page, but let something really nifty in the bsd world make news and it never sees the light of day.
/. is bigotry at it's finest...almost like racism...mmmm seeing a connection.
NO SPORK
Ya know...you sound like a typical RPM junkie! Have people forgotten how to *compile* things the old way? Granted, I use the ports collection nowadays when I'm feeling lazy, but there are systems where I *have* to compile the old way (BSDi for one). Has everyone gotten so lazy that the thought of downloading the actual source and compiling is like asking someone to quarter thier sister?
:)
Somtimes I dont like the 'patches' or 'features' done by the ports maintainers...so I do it by hand.
and if you MUST login as root via anything, then you better belly up to Uncle Bill and move to redmond.
Linux (by default) is a security hazard...and I'm willing to bet that 90% of the 'Linux followers' don't know anything besides what Debian or Red Hat (etc, etc, etc) force feed them out of the box.
Why yes, I'm trolling the the Troll under the Fremont Bridge
NO SPORK
Jeez! I run a tucows mirror (tucows.digital-galaxy.net), and have ran a mirror since late 1997...when TUCOWS BSD came about, i scrambled to be a mirror. TUCOWS has and is usually good about accurate content...
What shocked me was that TUCOWS lists everything on thier LinuxBerg and BSD sites as GPL! all the BSD's are listed as GPL!! I have sent a few letters to Scott (the man) and surprisingly he hasn't said anything back (a first).
I think it's an outrage to mis-lead someone about Licensing...that's *alomost* as bad as piracy.
rar.
NO SPORK