And that's fine, as specialised meanings are clear from the context. I should not have claimed we had lost the original meaning in my post, we haven't. Instead new meanings are just added to the bottom of the numbered list in the dictionary entry, and in my mind, if I need to know. New meanings may very well come to be more popular than the original meaning.
My beef is this - I understand how it can be a "transcription"-type error. However, people's knowledge, formal or otherwise, of English grammar, should tell them that the word "of" does not belong between "should" and a past-participle.
People never say "You of eaten", they say "you have eaten" or "you've eaten". Even "you have eaten", with that emphasis. Never "You of eaten", with that emphasis.
The "have" or "'ve" in these utterances serves the same function as the "have" or "'ve" in "should have eaten" or "should've eaten". Yet I heard "you should of eaten", with that emphasis. Maybe not that exact phrase, but that exact misapprehension.
People should be able to tell from the function of their utterance, and correlation to every other use they make of the present-perfect tense, that "should of" simply doesn't make sense!
By the way, that was going to be...MUST be consenting but the Microsoft representative on the working group insisted he wanted to shaft anyone he liked, whether they agreed or not.
An implementation MUST define two partners who SHOULD be consenting. The partners SHOULD be of the opposite sex but in special cases MAY be of the same sex. Unless the partners are certified STD-free protection SHOULD be worn UNLESS the would-be-parent flag is set.
It's a big collection but more in size rather than range. I mean, 16x Spectrum +2, 23x BBC Model B... and so on. Pretty boring mainstream stuff, in quantity.
Yeah, he's got an Oric. I'll hand that to him. But what would set the colleciton off would be a Jupiter Ace, maybe some MSX machines, a SAM Coupe.
As it stands, it might be worth buying to resell individually on eBay, but few items are boxed so that makes single items all the more unattractive.
In sum: Not worth the space you'd have to devote to it.
Learn to live low. Discover how to weed the willfully stupid, the insincere, the mindlessly ambitious, and all other less than honorable people from your life and then hold tightly to the few good people who remain, by doing good by them at every opportunity.
This has been my watchword all my life. I was left with one amazing friend, we had shared values, did everything together, we could have raging rows (I threw a cafetiere filled with water over him once for being lazy) and mintes later be joking about it. Then he died. I mean, not after I threw water over him, a couple of years later.
My, how I now wish I had been a social whore like all the people I used to scorn...
On the other hand, by the time my daughter was three, while she still wasn't much for taking instruction, she could converse, reason and had enough abstract thinking to laugh at Shel Silverstein in the right places.
Don't get too excited. I've no idea who Shel is, if it matters, but in my experience, kids laugh when adults laugh; they are always looking for cues for social behaviour. This is the case even with early teenagers. And, in fact, some adults.
If you want to please or get on with someone, you will laugh when they laugh.
Why are you hung up on changing meanings? It has happened continously since the dawn of time and it hasn't hurt anyone.
In the case of "decimate", its far more useful in the general sense of "destroy". How often have you wanted to say "destroy one in ten"? Odds are, very infrequently or never. So the benefit gained from another word for "destroy" - variety in language - outweighs the loss of a word inhabiting a vanishingly small niche.
What gets me annoyed is the use of "of" instead of "have" in the forms "should have", "would have", etc. I heard someone only today arguing with their child, and deliberately pronouncing "should of", to emphasise their point. This isn't a case of shifting semantics, its a fundamental misapprehension of grammar. It makes me want to weep.
So while I understand your pain, I feel mine is greater!
Well, I posted essentially the same thought as you then - OK, after the fact - gave google a whirl and the estimates actually vary widely.
Fundamentally, I think it's pretty difficult to measure a person's vocabulary. Do we measure the range of words they use every day, or the range of words they might ever use, the words they understand out of all dictionary words, the words they kind of understand in context but couldn't give a definition for... and so on.
I think 5,000 might be reasonable for a daily-use vocabulary, and 25,000 sounds good for the number of words for which an individual can give a fair definition, 60,000 might be "rough comprehension".
For instance, many people will use the word "laminate" without being able to define the process of lamination. They might simply see it as the act of making a piece of paper shiny. Certainly, that's how I see it! And so on.
If you've ever worked with multiple computers at once, you can know how aggrevating it gets when you can't data and drop data across the two computers with one input device
Well, if you just want to copy files by drag and drop, then you mount an export / map a drive and use whatever filemanager you want.
And as the other poster says, X / VNC will do drag and drop between applications.
Voice control may "sound" good, but imagine an office full of people talking at their machines (and through the air, at other people's).
Or, sitting at home, talking to your computer, while your SO is trying to read, or think, or listen to the radio, or watch TV, or hold a conversation...
Voice control is only suitable for lonely people.
I won't be impressed by these alternative interfaces until they hook into your brain, so the computer becomes an extension of your mind. I want some information - suddenly I just have it; I want to see porn - suddenly I am sitting watching two lovely ladies on the bed in front of me... mmm...
If you run Blackbox or Openbox, as I do, and maximise your windows, then the dock keeps a space at the bottom of the screen available for right-clicking.
I use Blackbox as Openbox keeps mutating into things I don't want. It's older but fully functional. I actually prefer right-click menus because I don't necessarily have to move the mouse far to get at them.
Combine Blackbox with bbkeys and you can configure keyboard shortcuts with ease. I have CTRL+Fx open xterms running ssh to various machines (or just a shell for the machine I'm on) and ALT+Fx (aka Mod+Fx) open various frequently-used applications.
Blackbox doesn't show the date by default but bbdate (I think) provides this functionality. You will have to run it with -geom to get it to the right position on your screen, though.
Anyway, give it a shot, you might just like it. I was a refugee from the 'heavyweight' desktops which were slow on my old Athlon. They run fast on my Athlon XP3000+ but I have stuck with Blackbox because I like it's simplicity so much.
I still run Gnome and KDE apps, nothing stopping you keeping the programs you love.
Nah, I don't think so. If Hal gets clever enough to turn your very vague human request into the plan of action you intended, I think it'll be Hal telling root to get on with the work.
That's the difference between the "now" command and your "future" command. The "now" command actually means something precise. The "future" command could mean all sorts of different things.
Anyway, if Hal is so clever then why isn't he doing continuous security scan reports on all computers on the network? Surely this is better than having to tell him.
You might say "well, it was a bad example". Give me a good one then!
Hey, I use a GUI to create my scripts all the time, it's called an xterm running vi.
I DO use GUIs when they are helpful; I use webmin for quick changes, I don't read my mail with Mutt very often nowadays (though for speed there's nothing can hold a candle to a decent console-based email client like Mutt, if you're over a dial-up line with an SSH session). Lynx is cool but I know my browsing experience is richer with Mozilla.
So don't cast me as anti-GUI, it's not true.
I am well aware you can script clicks and drags with things like Winrunner but it's such a lame solution... how do you make each iteration slightly different in some subtle ways? With a script you just increment a variable or read from a text file. What happens if somebody moves your mouse while that GUI interaction is played back?
I am stunned you rely on GUI action playback for backups, in fact this has me convinced you are just trolling. If not, I'm glad I don't have to work with you, you are clearly incompetent.
Your analogy started off well but broke down when you claimed that the command line was not suitable to the big jobs.
Well, let's talk about scripts rather than command lines. Most admins use scripts, they don't sit and type all day just to do the same the next day.
And there is the power of the command line. The loop. Even if your brush is only small, if you put it in a loop and get the computer to wave it about your stadium then you can sit back, wait a few minutes and the job is done.
With the GUI you have to grab the little brush with the mouse pointer and drag it all over the stadium.
The command line is a programming language. Language scales infinitely better than pictures, because languages have control structures like loops and conditions, while pictures don't.
That's why scripting will never go away; the same reason programming will never go away. It's them most powerful interface to the operation of a computer (in the hands of the knowledgable).
GUIs are mediocre interfaces to that power, designed for use by those who lack the knowledge.
I'm not saying GUIs are not useful. In cases where constant feedback is required as your job progresses, such as creative work, GUIs are very good. But they fall down when it comes to "do this, a thousand times" kinds of jobs.
Don't you think the fault lies primarily with the journalist, rather than the naively outspoken commentator? Or perhaps with the readers, for taking either of them seiously.
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All the fucking updates!
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And that's fine, as specialised meanings are clear from the context. I should not have claimed we had lost the original meaning in my post, we haven't. Instead new meanings are just added to the bottom of the numbered list in the dictionary entry, and in my mind, if I need to know. New meanings may very well come to be more popular than the original meaning.
My beef is this - I understand how it can be a "transcription"-type error. However, people's knowledge, formal or otherwise, of English grammar, should tell them that the word "of" does not belong between "should" and a past-participle.
People never say "You of eaten", they say "you have eaten" or "you've eaten". Even "you have eaten", with that emphasis. Never "You of eaten", with that emphasis.
The "have" or "'ve" in these utterances serves the same function as the "have" or "'ve" in "should have eaten" or "should've eaten". Yet I heard "you should of eaten", with that emphasis. Maybe not that exact phrase, but that exact misapprehension.
People should be able to tell from the function of their utterance, and correlation to every other use they make of the present-perfect tense, that "should of" simply doesn't make sense!
By the way, that was going to be ...MUST be consenting but the Microsoft representative on the working group insisted he wanted to shaft anyone he liked, whether they agreed or not.
And so on.
I would love to see something based on Winamp, for example.
Wake up! Let's not have it based on a piece of software, let's have it based on a fucking standard for christ's sake!
It's a big collection but more in size rather than range. I mean, 16x Spectrum +2, 23x BBC Model B... and so on. Pretty boring mainstream stuff, in quantity.
Yeah, he's got an Oric. I'll hand that to him. But what would set the colleciton off would be a Jupiter Ace, maybe some MSX machines, a SAM Coupe.
As it stands, it might be worth buying to resell individually on eBay, but few items are boxed so that makes single items all the more unattractive.
In sum: Not worth the space you'd have to devote to it.
Learn to live low. Discover how to weed the willfully stupid, the insincere, the mindlessly ambitious, and all other less than honorable people from your life and then hold tightly to the few good people who remain, by doing good by them at every opportunity.
This has been my watchword all my life. I was left with one amazing friend, we had shared values, did everything together, we could have raging rows (I threw a cafetiere filled with water over him once for being lazy) and mintes later be joking about it. Then he died. I mean, not after I threw water over him, a couple of years later.
My, how I now wish I had been a social whore like all the people I used to scorn...
Nah, persistence is the quality of not ceasing, like a nagging woman.
Oh, I know that, but when I see it in written English, or, as I say, emphatically pronounced incorrectly, I do despair.
On the other hand, by the time my daughter was three, while she still wasn't much for taking instruction, she could converse, reason and had enough abstract thinking to laugh at Shel Silverstein in the right places.
Don't get too excited. I've no idea who Shel is, if it matters, but in my experience, kids laugh when adults laugh; they are always looking for cues for social behaviour. This is the case even with early teenagers. And, in fact, some adults.
If you want to please or get on with someone, you will laugh when they laugh.
Why are you hung up on changing meanings? It has happened continously since the dawn of time and it hasn't hurt anyone.
In the case of "decimate", its far more useful in the general sense of "destroy". How often have you wanted to say "destroy one in ten"? Odds are, very infrequently or never. So the benefit gained from another word for "destroy" - variety in language - outweighs the loss of a word inhabiting a vanishingly small niche.
What gets me annoyed is the use of "of" instead of "have" in the forms "should have", "would have", etc. I heard someone only today arguing with their child, and deliberately pronouncing "should of", to emphasise their point. This isn't a case of shifting semantics, its a fundamental misapprehension of grammar. It makes me want to weep.
So while I understand your pain, I feel mine is greater!
Well, I posted essentially the same thought as you then - OK, after the fact - gave google a whirl and the estimates actually vary widely.
Fundamentally, I think it's pretty difficult to measure a person's vocabulary. Do we measure the range of words they use every day, or the range of words they might ever use, the words they understand out of all dictionary words, the words they kind of understand in context but couldn't give a definition for... and so on.
I think 5,000 might be reasonable for a daily-use vocabulary, and 25,000 sounds good for the number of words for which an individual can give a fair definition, 60,000 might be "rough comprehension".
For instance, many people will use the word "laminate" without being able to define the process of lamination. They might simply see it as the act of making a piece of paper shiny. Certainly, that's how I see it! And so on.
Last I heard the average human had a vocab of around 2500 words or less.
Far too low. It's more like 25,000.
It wouldn't be a master-slave relationship. It would be symbiosis.
If you've ever worked with multiple computers at once, you can know how aggrevating it gets when you can't data and drop data across the two computers with one input device
Well, if you just want to copy files by drag and drop, then you mount an export / map a drive and use whatever filemanager you want.
And as the other poster says, X / VNC will do drag and drop between applications.
Voice control may "sound" good, but imagine an office full of people talking at their machines (and through the air, at other people's).
Or, sitting at home, talking to your computer, while your SO is trying to read, or think, or listen to the radio, or watch TV, or hold a conversation...
Voice control is only suitable for lonely people.
I won't be impressed by these alternative interfaces until they hook into your brain, so the computer becomes an extension of your mind. I want some information - suddenly I just have it; I want to see porn - suddenly I am sitting watching two lovely ladies on the bed in front of me... mmm...
If you run Blackbox or Openbox, as I do, and maximise your windows, then the dock keeps a space at the bottom of the screen available for right-clicking.
I use Blackbox as Openbox keeps mutating into things I don't want. It's older but fully functional. I actually prefer right-click menus because I don't necessarily have to move the mouse far to get at them.
Combine Blackbox with bbkeys and you can configure keyboard shortcuts with ease. I have CTRL+Fx open xterms running ssh to various machines (or just a shell for the machine I'm on) and ALT+Fx (aka Mod+Fx) open various frequently-used applications.
Blackbox doesn't show the date by default but bbdate (I think) provides this functionality. You will have to run it with -geom to get it to the right position on your screen, though.
Anyway, give it a shot, you might just like it. I was a refugee from the 'heavyweight' desktops which were slow on my old Athlon. They run fast on my Athlon XP3000+ but I have stuck with Blackbox because I like it's simplicity so much.
I still run Gnome and KDE apps, nothing stopping you keeping the programs you love.
Nah, I don't think so. If Hal gets clever enough to turn your very vague human request into the plan of action you intended, I think it'll be Hal telling root to get on with the work.
That's the difference between the "now" command and your "future" command. The "now" command actually means something precise. The "future" command could mean all sorts of different things.
Anyway, if Hal is so clever then why isn't he doing continuous security scan reports on all computers on the network? Surely this is better than having to tell him.
You might say "well, it was a bad example". Give me a good one then!
Good luck in the real world.
Hey, I use a GUI to create my scripts all the time, it's called an xterm running vi.
I DO use GUIs when they are helpful; I use webmin for quick changes, I don't read my mail with Mutt very often nowadays (though for speed there's nothing can hold a candle to a decent console-based email client like Mutt, if you're over a dial-up line with an SSH session). Lynx is cool but I know my browsing experience is richer with Mozilla.
So don't cast me as anti-GUI, it's not true.
I am well aware you can script clicks and drags with things like Winrunner but it's such a lame solution... how do you make each iteration slightly different in some subtle ways? With a script you just increment a variable or read from a text file. What happens if somebody moves your mouse while that GUI interaction is played back?
I am stunned you rely on GUI action playback for backups, in fact this has me convinced you are just trolling. If not, I'm glad I don't have to work with you, you are clearly incompetent.
Your analogy started off well but broke down when you claimed that the command line was not suitable to the big jobs.
Well, let's talk about scripts rather than command lines. Most admins use scripts, they don't sit and type all day just to do the same the next day.
And there is the power of the command line. The loop. Even if your brush is only small, if you put it in a loop and get the computer to wave it about your stadium then you can sit back, wait a few minutes and the job is done.
With the GUI you have to grab the little brush with the mouse pointer and drag it all over the stadium.
The command line is a programming language. Language scales infinitely better than pictures, because languages have control structures like loops and conditions, while pictures don't.
That's why scripting will never go away; the same reason programming will never go away. It's them most powerful interface to the operation of a computer (in the hands of the knowledgable).
GUIs are mediocre interfaces to that power, designed for use by those who lack the knowledge.
I'm not saying GUIs are not useful. In cases where constant feedback is required as your job progresses, such as creative work, GUIs are very good. But they fall down when it comes to "do this, a thousand times" kinds of jobs.
adults discussing penis size.
Honestly, adults don't discuss penis size.
Why is everyone frantically sucking off Bill Joy?
Because his cock is so tasty.
Don't you think the fault lies primarily with the journalist, rather than the naively outspoken commentator? Or perhaps with the readers, for taking either of them seiously.